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[SPOILERS] "There is no Honor in War"

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This might be just my fantasy but id like to share.

When mursaat past through to the mists, Menzies has seen an oppurtunity and made a deal with mursaat on beating balthazar.
But mursaat being mursaat they backstab menzies while they are about to win against balthazar and take both of their powers.
Balthazar gets throwed in prison of mursaat like lazarus the dire who must have became friends over the years?(who knows right?)
Then something happens and in the end balthazar fights his way out?
Balthazar, the guy who has lost his brother, friend and powers to mursaat, then goes to the tyria acting as lazarus-his friend.

So where is the intervention of other gods? Where is lyssa with her mirror?
Other gods might not like a guy with anger issues but lyssa being a bit two sided helps balthazar to atleast live as a normal mortal or to trick everyone?
Might be that after mursaat took menzies’s and balthazar’s powers,other gods might have to fight against mursaat and not being able to help any other than themselves.

Balthazar lost his ultimate opposite, his brother.
Thats why he doesnt feel like war is important anymore.
Because a war needs two sides.

(Shoot me(i dont know how realistic this all is))

Can elemental possess a body/living creature?

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Boons to conditions and the reverse is a transformation, as it doesn’t really get rid of the boon or the condition, just changes its form. That’s the definition of conservation. However, if you want me to defend the stance, I will:
*Boon magic is summoning magic around you to give a positive effect (swiftness, healing, might). Imagine it like a ball of water surrounding you, slowly dripping out as the effect is applied.
*Condition magic is summoning magic to inflict a negative effect on your enemy (cripple, bleeding, weakness). This is also like a ball of water ticking down, except the water is poison or acid.

@Boon magic; i think what you say is true but may* not be the whole deal.
[spoiler=Almost all boons and their possible explanations]
-Protection = thickness of bones?/skin?(or like protego from harry potter?)
-Fury = better sight or chance for hitting critital points of enemies?(thanks to aoe’s it might be chance.(but something that increases your chance would also mean that it isnt chance.(magic find might be just a pure game mechanic and not related.(precursor drops from a simple deer?))))
-Quickness = hyperactivity?
-Regenaration = cells working harder to fix/reproduce?
-Swiftness = rush of adrenaline?
-Vigor = something that would makes sense but i cant think of it now?

And those that isnt in harmony with these are = Aegis,Might(not sure about this one),Retaliation and Stability [/spoiler]

What about Resistance?
Well it is interesting that resistance came out after zhaitan died.
That the magic that got out is not pure but have the information of zhaitans abilities.
Which we have seen it with other dragons.
So why cant we use his information?/affinity?/parts? for our selves.
It might be upgrading your already existing resistance (to magic?) or nullifying decayment on its host.(Which can actualy be like bacteria that you force it to activate by sending/using specific type of skills.(or yes a like magical ball around.)
(I have this idea that necromancers might be all about biology)


JUST THIS PART TOOK MY 2 HOURS. ITS IMPOSSIBLE
@Condition magic; Now i wonder what is vitality?(generaly) Is it feeling aliveness(and therefo placebo) or energy that is required for cells to work?
[spoiler=FIND SOMETHING TO WRITE HERE!!!
~~Mind altering~~
Confusion,Blind,Fear,
Taunt = Desparation that is derived from madness. Might be a combination of conditions. (Fear+confusion and chemical x :P )

~~Things that are in between~~
Immobilized
Slow = Slothfullness, admiring sloths, role playing as one./ old age.
Torment =

~~Body,muscle~~
Bleeding = Skin cells tearing up?
Poison = Cell walls dont accept anything to get in therefore the damage and less healing?
Vulnerability =
Crippled = sore muscle or just feeling of pain in leg(like torment?(torment might be real alarm?)) (which pain is created in mind)
Weakness,Chilled,
Burning = Like in real life, kinetic energy that vibrates things in moleculer level. (So elementalist are actualy “telekinetic”. Now you get that “arcane” part dont you?)

*Boon stripping or condition cleansing is taking that ball around the person and dispersing it back into the ether from which it came. The thief stealing boons is transferring that water from the target to him/her.
*I don’t have a good allegory for the drawing or spreading conditions/boons, but for spreading it, it’s taking a snapshot copy of the condition at that moment and giving it to all targets while drawing is taking all of them and dumping it into one pot, keeping only the one with the biggest capacity. It works out in my head, but I don’t have the words to express it.

So it is information reading and de-casting it?
Makes kinda* sense when you think about mesmers mimic skill even with all versions of it(old n new).

For other parts of your comment i either agree or just dont have much information to have an idea worth spreading.

(you know that i was joking on hikikomori part right?)

I am giving up on this subject. Thanks all

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I could be wrong, but I think it’s less that matter is actually created and more that that element is collected together into a mobile form. I don’t know if Tyria has the Law of the Conservation of Matter/Energy/Magic, but I think it would be a decent starting point until we have reason to think otherwise.

There are skills that turn your boons to conditions and conditions to boons.
Also condition removals,drawing and sending conditions are a bit weird on itself cause you (in a way) shift reality each time.
Butterfly effects on mesmer skills might have a totally different meaning in that perspective.

It might be that magic is just magic.
With no attributes by itself but thought capability(?) of sentient ones might be limiting their usage of potentialy limitless magic?
Example of it; electromagnetic spectrum being magic, those who see all known colors and being totaly colorblind is difference for all different types of sentience.
I wonder what happened to golems who helped all asuras to get out of their hikikomori syndrome in underground and sail to new lands.

Sorry i got too away from the main subject. Just had to say it.

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Pale tree can communicate with tyria? maybe she is just being poetic?
So humans are like adopted childeren.
How can tyria accept something that is not a part of it(hooman) while it rejects its own dragons.
Sure dragons can be parasites which their origin may not be of tyria just like humans.
Or simplier answer would be that tyria does not have a will of its own and ive been on the wrong path for a very long time thanks to a thaumanova video of woodenpotatoes.
(he was also guessing. so no bad feelings.)

And i always thought tyria dragons as elements that just happen to look like t-rex with wings.
I wonder how did dragons get their powers before everything began.
Cause it appears that they can suck each others off.
It doesnt stick with them.
Were they absorbing pure magic and change it, or they just happen to get their specific types and wouldnt touch other ones before.
Or they are coming from different realms.
Im still insisting on them being created from very the elements that they use.

Then what is important about tyria? is it just a random place in endlessness of the mists or it has an importance?

Questions with no answers nor real purpose other than to think about it, i love them the most.
It has been a good thought train for me.
Thanks Konig Des Todes

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Forgive and inform me about my mistakes

Dragons are not elementals so I’m not sure where you’re getting the connection. While they do turn creatures into elemental-like beings, dragon minions are not elementals.

Yet all dragons have a very specific elements that belongs (in a way) to them.
It seems to me that when magic gets concentrated in a spot, it creates matter.
But even while matter is created it develops its consciousness with either more time or magic. (little bit of ying, little bit of yang you get gods and dragons(When it comes to mists, its all about probability even if its very small))

.That’s a player theory with no real solid support to it. We just know that the “Tamed Elementals” behave very oddly.

Indeed there is no proof as much as we might not have get out of omadd’s machine.
When there isnt any information enough to give you conclusion, you make wild guesses.(or atleast i do)


Nothing actually says sylvari or other dragon minions have souls, technically speaking.

I believe consciousness and soul is the same thing. One word shows what it is, other shows where it is while none of them have any real proof.
(omg i just found out “quantum consciousness” is a thing)

Uh… air elementals? Rather insectoid.

Indeed, i did not thought about that one.
I had only earth,ice,fire and bloodstone in mind. You are right.


And now when i think about it, the shape of bloodstone elementals might be coming from those who were sacrificed and trapped inside it.
And humanoid anomalies might be the part of those who got out of bloodstone.
Thats why they are sad all the time?
And are asuras making experiments about this on humans? (fractals)

Bloodstones are making those effected to become thirsty for power and get mad, just a bit.
So maybe magic really have qualities like ying and yang.
Cause those who are freed from bloodstone are “white” and cry-babies?

i wonder if this was discussed or shown before.
forgive me if so.

Interesting concept but unlikely. Little suggests Tyria is alive and if it were to be, then what little we have to suggest such implies that it’s in favor of the races of Tyria, and against the Elder Dragons.

Doesnt supposed to be.
Normaly “enemy of my enemy” motto might have work but this is a planet.
It might turn out to be that dragons are our true friends.
You know good old bubbles and kralkatorrik who have learned asura-hood from snaff?

Further, not all elementals are hostile – some are only hostile when threatened.

In my knowledge there isnt any other “green” elementals anywhere else but at Wizard’s Tower/Fief.
It may be just that “orange” ones are away from “drone controling signals”? so there are on auto-pilot, while red ones are close to touch of tyria’s core?
Think it as “Leyline” if you must.

-but the entire nervous system sharing the function of a brain.

I like that idea

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Sylvari do have brains, just not ‘meat’ brains. They are patterned after humans and have all the same organs, just plant based instead of ‘meat’ based.

But they have holes everywhere, id say they just look a like but not function the same way as humans do.
Like they have males and females but cant reproduce.
Bisexual and not at the same time because its not even relevant question.
Puppet body energy mind, you name it.

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If you think about dragons and their minions then yes, elementals can possess sentient and non sentient creatures.

In kessex hills there are elementals who shows very small sings of sentience but they are thought to be villagers who were “chosen” to live in wizards tower but instead turned into immortal mindless slaves.
Its still open to discussion, who knows.

With djinns, mordremoth and sylvaris having no brain yet still having consciousness and in a way soul, we can make the claim that non living objects can have it.

But what is realy weird is why all elementalst that we see until this day is always in humanoid form and not like cats,dogs,spiders,snakes ?

Is their form is the choice of magic?
Then what is magic?
And why mindless elementals can be aggressive almost like “Thaumanova Anomaly”

My guess/fantasy is like dragons have their own minions, all elementals are minions of tyria.
For a very long time there werent any strong elementals but now we have started to kill of dragons and tyria is regaining magic and uses it to kill us, races who are feeding on it like viruses.