You personally might not like Thief, but on Ruby I have already encountered some really strong thieves (very fast decaps, strong burst to finish off anyone out of position, getting out quickly when focus shifted towards them, fast finishes with the new elite).
They seem to be in the same position as ele -> the skill floor just jumped and most players can’t keep up with the challenge.
These thieves will encouter a wall. At some point people are watching minimap as well and you wont decap easily anymore.
You’re all missing my point. I will be the first to admit that it was a good move and I plain missed it. I’m not running a full zerker build, I have 2450 armor which isn’t max but it isn’t paper either. My point is once a week a thief will come in and moan about how op necros are. When you’re hitting for 14k with a single hit you have nothing to complain about.
Im sure under certain conditions in WvW than we can find even more similar shocking things from necros.
What classes are you guys playing, what builds are you rolling and are you playing soloQ or team?
If team, no wonder you’re finding it very easy.
I play an elementalist, my win rate is about 30%, I play solo queue, and I am very confident about my skill as an elementalist…
Going up towards t5 emerald as we speak and its a nightmare. I’m gonna start killing people. And not in PvP. Im going mad.
Playing solo only, vanilla dp thief. I started to lose some games around sapphire but i think winrate is still around 90-80%
It has nothing to do with class really nor premades (ofc good premade will roll over pug teams) but personal MMR.
What can I do to get better MMR then? Win games? It’s bloody hard to win games with a team full of idiots.
Just play your role correctly and you should be fine. If you played your role at perfection and lost the game, either it wasn’t perfectioon, or you hadn’t the good team to help you win.
I’m pretty sure you can put just about ANY PLAYER, be it the best professional player in the world, who always plays the “perfection” and he wont be able to 1v5.
So argument invalid kind of :p
Not invalid, I’m just trying to say that if you’ve done your best and you dont win, then either you’re not that good, or you don’t have a good team thats’s all.
What classes are you guys playing, what builds are you rolling and are you playing soloQ or team?
If team, no wonder you’re finding it very easy.
I play an elementalist, my win rate is about 30%, I play solo queue, and I am very confident about my skill as an elementalist…
Going up towards t5 emerald as we speak and its a nightmare. I’m gonna start killing people. And not in PvP. Im going mad.
Playing solo only, vanilla dp thief. I started to lose some games around sapphire but i think winrate is still around 90-80%
It has nothing to do with class really nor premades (ofc good premade will roll over pug teams) but personal MMR.
What can I do to get better MMR then? Win games? It’s bloody hard to win games with a team full of idiots.
Just play your role correctly and you should be fine. If you played your role at perfection and lost the game, either it wasn’t perfectioon, or you hadn’t the good team to help you win.
Get Gud? I can 1v1 any class except engi, DH and Druid. I’m season 1 legendary so don’t say I didn’t face people of similar skill level. Heck even now I can 1v1 a lot of classes who are legendary. The class you should be 1v1 easily are Necros, other teefs, Warriors and mesmers. I can kill ele essily too but takes a while so I usually avoid, revs are 50/50. DH I avoid. Druid and engi I can poke around and run away if I feel they’ll kill me.
Would you make some videos of your kills ?
Seriously I’d like to know how and how long you do it.
We have the strongest +1 ability in the game, so it’s not like we don’t have impact. Thief is remakable at ending small fights quickly and being where the team needs it to be all the time. We’re also the best class at just being able to never die, which can be very annoying to the enemy team because you’re never safe from the thief decapping / +1 you anywhere.
You are right there, but again a Rev can almost do the same, except there are few match ups he wouldn’t take.
In my opinion I see very few incentive to force pro pteam to pick a thief as long as a Rev can provide just a bit less, except his firepower and solo ganking ability is far superior, as I see it
Edit : By the way, the Top 1 team in EU for now is called “Now Without Thief”. I’m gonna cry right over there
“I could hold a 3v1 with very little effort” excluding the part where you probably weren’t killing them because you spent a majority of that time just hiding. Not to mention, this is WvW we’re talking about, the majority of players there are vastly inferior to hard core PvP players.
I’ve won 1v4’s out there kitten and I run a hybrid build that isn’t even P/D. SPvP though, much much different story. Condi was already pretty weak in SPvP and now thanks to these changes and extreme power creep, plus the formula changes due to stacking nerfing our core source of condi dmg, these changes have actually pushed condi thief out of SPvP in terms of being effective.
It’s so bad due to all of these changes that I went from always playing a condi thief, even in SPvP, to now playing burst thief. Having the ability to stack poison doesn’t make much of a difference for condi thieves other than opening up spider venom as a viable venom for venom sharing. And even then it’s likely they’re still playing burst while using leeching venoms as added burst / healing. Also, another would be good option for poison stacking was also nerfed before even given a chance to run live and see it in action, which not only loses poison uptime, but damage due to formula changes and duration loss – so it’s pretty much unsuccessful as a condi option now. (Speaking of Shortbow / #4 skill choking gas)
And anyway, condi thieves weren’t OP, especially not in a team fight. P/D is way better in a 1v1 than a 1vx situation. And really what made it “OP” is Rune of Perplexity which was much … much easier to utilize as a stealth class, than a non stealth class. So the whole thing that made it feel so ridiculous is confusion on steal + confusion on being hit thanks to the set and lastly, confusion on interrupt.
Really though, P/D was pretty hard countered by deflect / reflect projectile. Can’t say how many times I’ve wrecked P/D thieves using stolen warrior skill or simply dagger storm. They’re also quite ineffective vs elementalists and necros will simply give them the condis back.
The build was hardly OP. even with perplexity runes if you actually knew how to fight it instead of just spamming skills through confusion. And as it stands now, condi thief NEEDS some buffs to traits / weapon sets to be worth anything at all now compared to everything else in the game. As it is now, condi thief is pretty bad.
So bad that I’ve forsaken my favorite play style to play something that’s actually effective.
I’d like to think I’m not THAT bad in sPvP. Yet I continue to use a burst conditionner venomshare, I still win matches and have better spot presence for the same mobility (I’m not counting s/d ofc) than a power thief.
In sPVP it shows very little interest, you have enough escapes not to worry about mitigation. The faster you do things (moving,+1ing/killing, decaping), the higher are your odds of winnings.
In WvW I haven’t tried, maybe it could be useful for 1vX with an hybrid p/d spec as a roamer.
Have a look at the blue line spikes, then repeat what you said. 4am, 4:40am, 8am, 4:40am. Yep, organisation, for sure. Have those spikes regularly during prime and I’d agree with your comment.
VS isn’t more. You are fewer. This was the contrary a few weeks ago (and we had absolutly the same argument), you only have to blame your own lack of motivation.
