Guild Wars 2

Heartnet.4598:

Ralsti.2147:

Heartnet.4598:

Ralsti.2147:

Heartnet.4598:

Im srsly stumped as to why you would even call ur characters that in the first place. Your obviously just testing arenanets patience.

Please reply as to a good reason your characters are called that

How is Cash Money or No Friends an anyway testing anybody’s patients?

Cash Money is obviously going to be related to gold sellers and therefor just stupid to make ur character named that and No friends… some people dont like to hear that in an MMO… hell most people dont like to hear that anywhen.. to put it as ur characters name is just rude

I think you are being RIDICULOUS. CashMoney could be used for someone that really enjoys trading and plays the game to maximize gold rather then progress. No Friends could simply mean a player prefers to play alone. People really need to chill out and not worry so much about other people.

But your in an MMO and whilst i agree with you on the names not being worthy of a ban of any sort i can see where people are coming from. And you have to worry about other people in an MMO.. there are just some easy to offend people out there and Anet caters to them

I think your name is offensive because it has heart in it which reminds me that I’m alone and I’m going to report you so that you get a 3 day ban.

Freyar.3254:

I’ve watched a number of launches and a similar uproar happens in most games like this. Tabula Rasa, APB (and it’s relaunch APB:R), Rift, and many others all have their own waves of compromises. It’s too big of a leap for logic to assume there’s “something bad” going on here on ArenaNet’s side. At the very least, Diablo III’s session-duplication was trackable.

Difference of experience I suppose. This seems particularly suspicious to me, it’s at the most vulnerable time of the game, and it would be very easy to cover up.

Some of these I actually didn’t know but are extremely useful. Thanks a ton :o.

Also, add that alt+left clicking when your map is up adds a personal waypoint that shows up on your mini-map regardless of distance. (It might be right click, but I’m pretty sure it’s left click.)

Freyar.3254:

TouchOfRed.8359:

[…]don’t you think a warning would have sufficed just as well? If he does it again, by all means, ban him for a few days.

People don’t respond to warnings, and just giving out warnings allows the behavior to continue. End result is you get the same environment that Xbox Live has.

I’ve responded perfectly well to warnings in the past. And I know other people have too. Multiple warnings becomes a problem, yes. But just one so that you at least know what you’re doing is wrong if you missed it in the code of conduct is more than enough and it avoids all this headache that we’re dealing with now.

Also, I feel like we’re the only two talking on like three different threads :o

Freyar.3254:

TouchOfRed.8359:

And I know most are due to those things. However, when you see such an uncommon surplus as we have with this game, it tends to lead one to wonder if it’s really all the consumers fault. The chances of this many people being hacked at the same time all due to their own mistakes is astronomically low. I’ve never seen it happen anywhere else without a company announcing they’ve been hacked.

Let’s keep this in perspective. We’re in a forum named “Account Issues”, where people will post when they have accounts compromised or billing issues. Naturally it will sound like a significantly larger proportion of players are fighting with this problem when the WvWvW queues are at a healthy one-hour long wait.

When you see nothing but complaints by hanging in a forum like this, you tend to get the feeling that it’s a bigger problem than it really is.

True, when you put it in perspective obviously this is going to be the forum where all the hacked accounts are posted about so it seems like a large number, especially considering how many people play this game. But I don’t know, I’ve hung around WoW help/support forums and Warhammer Online account issue forums before, and I’ve never seen this many people posting issues with hacked accounts. Of course it’s hard to tell if it truly is sketchy without a sheer number comparison. Unfortunately, we’ll never get that, so anyone’s guess is good. It’s just a personal hunch I have I suppose.

But don’t dismiss the other possibilities, too. Cause like I said, we really don’t know.

anzenketh.3759:

The problem with the argument “There is a filter I can say what I want” is the filter does not always work as it should. You have no clue what words it will let though and what words it will catch. Until it is too late. That is not a problem with the programing of a filter. But a problem with filters in general. A filter does not give permission to use inappropriate language in chat. It is to help with the accidental slipups not the intentional abuse of the english language. Also even though there is a filter people who turn on the filter read right though it they know what words are there. Why because they hear it all the time.

It all comes down to respect. Remember there are children playing this game also.

There shouldn’t be anyone under the age of 13 playing this game if Arena Net is truly this strict about their rules. And you’d be surprised that most of the 13 year olds are the ones doing the swearing. And also, T rated movies and video games are allowed to have a few swears in them (I’m not sure the exact number), and most of them in fact do. So if parents really didn’t want their kids to be exposed to swears, they wouldn’t be letting them play any games, let alone this one. Although yeah, filters are faulty and aren’t an excuse for swearing.

Freyar.3254:

bowlin.4693:

My ban was for racial slurs, yes I did use a racial slur, yes it could have easily offended someone. Yet the manner in which I was using it was in pure jest in a PvP match with only 10 in the audience. The one who said “reported” as soon as I said the word N***a proceeded to “troll” me after I destroyed him 500- 100 in a tournie match.

Just.. don’t.. write it. You want to know a better way? Use Teamspeak or Mumble, something that you control when it comes to content.

Just saying, Teamspeak and Mumble would both have just as much grounds to ban him from let’s say, ever connecting to any channel from that IP address ever again for using that word if they heard him say it. But they don’t, and he didn’t even pay for that service. And if someone e-mailed them saying he said something like that, they STILL wouldn’t do anything. The amount of control we have over the content we see by every other company except for Arena Net is minimal.

And although I do understand why a ban would be understandable in this case for using a racial slur, at the same time, don’t you think a warning would have sufficed just as well? If he does it again, by all means, ban him for a few days.

Freyar.3254:

TouchOfRed.8359:

Freyar.3254:

Deathslizer.9413:

Not the same login, and ive used different variations of the same password. I had no requests for password resets whatsoever and would’ve preferred that option over a perma ban.

So then you ARE NOT using the same password you’ve been using for so long.

You guys are missing the point that he has using a similar password through 8 different games, probably over the span of almost 10 years, and it’s never given him any trouble till now. Until this game. Whether or not you think it’s a mistake to do that is irrelevant. What is, is that it hasn’t been a problem until now.

But, it could just be a coincidence. Don’t automatically dismiss it as his mistake though. There are three possibilities here, and you don’t know which one it is unless you’re the one who hacked him. And in all probability, the chances of it causing a problem now due to his own error is slim. Just like if you have a perfect driving record for 10 years, then get into a car accident. Is it more likely your fault, or the other person, who is new to driving and thus has no record, but is nonetheless new (Arena Net)?

I’d agree with this IF most account compromises were not a result of shared accounts, compromised e-mails, or old/reused passwords. Regardless as to whether or not he’s been okay until now, he’s still following poor security practices if he’s using the same password as he originally claimed.

For the record, ArenaNet (in junction with NCSoft) has been “driving” far longer than you expect.

Yeah, they have been around for quite awhile. I know Guild Wars has been around for about as long as EverQuest, which is quite an impressive amount of experience. However, staff switches, and as with any new game you launch, any new program at all that is launched, there are bugs. And some of these bugs are easily exploitable security breaches that aren’t easy to spot or fix. So I was referring more to the fact that GW2 is a new launch with it’s own fresh batch of problems that no amount of experience could possibly fix. Every game is launched with a plethora of bugs, and sometimes security breaches.

And I know most are due to those things. However, when you see such an uncommon surplus as we have with this game, it tends to lead one to wonder if it’s really all the consumers fault. The chances of this many people being hacked at the same time all due to their own mistakes is astronomically low. I’ve never seen it happen anywhere else without a company announcing they’ve been hacked.

Yeah, unfortunately I don’t think the events scale up or down based on how many people are there. It would probably be a good idea to add that feature for people stuck in the same situation as yourself, or even to make it more challenging for when there’s a surplus of people.

The only real solution is thinking about maybe transferring to another server that’s medium-high pop if you really want to enjoy those public events.

As to your experience problem, I ran into the same problem around level 30, but I even had the convenience of finishing the public events! The solution I figured out was a combination between gathering, crafting, and teleporting via waypoints between 3 different zones at any given time, doing WvW occasionally, and keeping up with the story line quest. WvW gives you a surprising amount of experience, try it out sometime if your server isn’t being steamrolled :o. Gathering gives you more experience than killing monsters, and crafting is absolutely stellar experience if you have all the stuff to craft a decent amount of items. But the most helpful part was teleporting between 3 different zones that were around my level.

I looked around on the map for 3 zones that were 25-40, or 25-35, or 30-40 or something, I got way points in each one, and I kept switching between each zone, doing like 3 quests at a time from each. I’m power leveling like crazy now.

I understand why it bothers you, especially since the TP is now back up and running. I guess some people still just want to do it the old fashioned way? Idk. But I doubt Anet will start handling it as spam. Way too many people would be banned, it is an expected part of any MMO, you can opt out of it with like 3 mouse clicks, and I don’t even think it technically falls under the category of spam. Though it might. So yeah, it sucks. But find ways around it, cause there’s not much that can be done about it.

Edit: A trade channel WOULD be nice.

Freyar.3254:

Deathslizer.9413:

Not the same login, and ive used different variations of the same password. I had no requests for password resets whatsoever and would’ve preferred that option over a perma ban.

So then you ARE NOT using the same password you’ve been using for so long.

You guys are missing the point that he has using a similar password through 8 different games, probably over the span of almost 10 years, and it’s never given him any trouble till now. Until this game. Whether or not you think it’s a mistake to do that is irrelevant. What is, is that it hasn’t been a problem until now.

But, it could just be a coincidence. Don’t automatically dismiss it as his mistake though. There are three possibilities here, and you don’t know which one it is unless you’re the one who hacked him. And in all probability, the chances of it causing a problem now due to his own error is slim. Just like if you have a perfect driving record for 10 years, then get into a car accident. Is it more likely your fault, or the other person, who is new to driving and thus has no record, but is nonetheless new (Arena Net)?

mcl.9240:

If you want to swear with your friends, do it in small groups or in guild. Do not do it in public chat.

And someone did ask you not to swear: ArenaNet, in their rules. You chose to ignore those rules, and discovered that ArenaNet is strict about them.

Actions have consequences.

This is true, they did ask me no to swear and I agreed not to, but then did it anyway. And in this way, it is completely my fault. And it’s also my fault I didn’t read the code of conduct and realize that swearing is a 3 day bannable offense before doing it. But I’m asking for some sympathy here, if nothing else. We’re not bad people, but we didn’t realize that we were going to get a 3 day ban for saying a swear in a relaxed setting when no other game has ever set the rules like that.

It just came as kind of a shock to me, and it is only a request that they start handing out warnings instead and maybe reviewing the reports more thoroughly to distinguish between troll and someone who just swore in a casual way. A warning would have more than sufficed for me, however it is my fault for not reading the code of conduct even though I agreed to it, and then breaching it. The warning thing is a plea; it just would have been nice, and much more hassle free. A warning will suffice for most people, and if it doesn’t, then they’ll continue their behavior and they’ll get banned.

And you have to understand how I think it’s unfortunate I have to watch my words with everyone in this video game of people who I thought were able to deal with a swear in a joking, nice manner every now and then. I never thought that would be the reason I stop playing a game.

While I do think it is naive to assume that it is Anet’s fault automatically, I do think it is odd that people are being hacked so frequently, and it is the beginning of the launch of GW2, when they are most susceptible to hackers. And it would be easy for them to cover it up as well. If they said it didn’t happen, who would be the wiser?

mcl.9240:

TouchOfRed.8359:

Sol.3296:

Bellok.4180:

Its fine for having to deal with your mistakes, however generally the public can take care of that. If a person is vile enough in chat then most likely he/she will get a reputation within that community. With my experience at least in mmo’s communities for the different servers become tightly nit and usually don’t associate themselves with these people making it hard for that person to find friends, etc. Thus making the game not fun for that person because of the way he/she acted.

I completely agree that is the appropriate solution but that just simply doesn’t happen, I’m sorry. Time and again I create a separate chat pane without trade, area, map etc so that I’m not bombarded with nonsense and turn it on when I need it for LFG or similar. And it is no different in any MMO I’ve played. The problem is that these people are acting completely different on the internet than they would IRL. Ignore them all you want but they have no issue finding others to play with or pay $20 to server transfer and start again.

This just shouldn’t have to be the case and I’m glad that someone is taking an active stance for once saying that ‘no, this should not happen and if you act like a tool then you’re going to pay the price’.

Trolling is different from the minor cases that we’re bringing up in this conversation though. We’re not talking about someone swearing and insulting people and trying tokitten people off. We’re talking about people who used a swear or ‘inappropriate’ word (god forbid you hear or see one in a game or movie, right?) in a completely unoffensive context, not directed at someone else. I used some directed at NPC’s, in friendly conversation with some people. Still got reported and banned for 3 days. And again, if that’s how they want to run their game, then so be it. But they’re going to lose a lot of people like that, me included. It’s a video game. I don’t play it to be a tightwad and watch my mouth like I have to at work.

So you think everyone who plays the game should be fine with your antisocial behavior because you don’t feel like behaving yourself in a videogame setting?

First of all, antisocial implies I do not talk to people, which is the wrong way to use the word, but I do understand what you’re saying.

And there’s a few things wrong with your argument. Has someone ever done something that has made you mad? How many of those times have you dealt with it and let it slide? Or do you persecute every single little squabble that comes your way? I know I wouldn’t have been able to get through my life if I’d have gotten bothered every time someone swore and made a big deal out of it. I’d probably make big deals out of other little things too. It’s so not worth it, and so easy to ignore. So no, I don’t expect everyone to be fine with it. But I would expect them to be able to tolerate and not turn it into a huge deal if they’ve reached that level of maturity.

And I honestly don’t feel like composing myself in a video game setting. It’s the same way I don’t feel like composing myself around my friends, and I doubt you take the time to treat your friends the same way you do your boss. Video games aren’t work. I’m not going to act proper, I will miss a period at the end of a sentence every now and then, and I’ll probably swear a few times a day too. It’s a video game. This isn’t an interview. I want to not care, to be stress free, and just relax. I’m not saying I’m going to harass people, but if I say “This boss is a *”, I would hope people wouldn’t get riled up. How do you go to the movies? How do you play any other video game, acting like swears are a big deal? How do you go through life?

Most of the people in this thread supporting Anet’s bans don’t understand that we aren’t trolling people. We weren’t harassing anyone, spamming, instigating. In fact we are very distinguished from them, we were being more comfortable and relaxed. And honestly, if I was in a party with you, and you asked me not to swear, I’d stop.

But that’s the problem. No one asked me to stop. I would have, otherwise. I just got this nice little ban out of nowhere. It’s inconvenient for me, and it’s inconvenient for Anet too. I would completely understand this if I was harassing someone, or if I was actually directly insulting anyone. But that’s not the case.

Sol.3296:

Bellok.4180:

Its fine for having to deal with your mistakes, however generally the public can take care of that. If a person is vile enough in chat then most likely he/she will get a reputation within that community. With my experience at least in mmo’s communities for the different servers become tightly nit and usually don’t associate themselves with these people making it hard for that person to find friends, etc. Thus making the game not fun for that person because of the way he/she acted.

I completely agree that is the appropriate solution but that just simply doesn’t happen, I’m sorry. Time and again I create a separate chat pane without trade, area, map etc so that I’m not bombarded with nonsense and turn it on when I need it for LFG or similar. And it is no different in any MMO I’ve played. The problem is that these people are acting completely different on the internet than they would IRL. Ignore them all you want but they have no issue finding others to play with or pay $20 to server transfer and start again.

This just shouldn’t have to be the case and I’m glad that someone is taking an active stance for once saying that ‘no, this should not happen and if you act like a tool then you’re going to pay the price’.

Trolling is different from the minor cases that we’re bringing up in this conversation though. We’re not talking about someone swearing and insulting people and trying tokitten people off. We’re talking about people who used a swear or ‘inappropriate’ word (god forbid you hear or see one in a game or movie, right?) in a completely unoffensive context, not directed at someone else. I used some directed at NPC’s, in friendly conversation with some people. Still got reported and banned for 3 days. And again, if that’s how they want to run their game, then so be it. But they’re going to lose a lot of people like that, me included. It’s a video game. I don’t play it to be a tightwad and watch my mouth like I have to at work.

GaileGray.9587:

Right. We have a lot of people who need help, but we should dedicate people to hand-holding with giving warnings? Really? The warning comes through the User Agreement, the Rules of Conduct, and the Conduct Breaches and Outcomes. Become familiar with them and the problem is solved.

In a perfect world, yes, it would be nice if people interpreted the warning through your codes of conduct and never broke them. But in a realistic world, no one reads the entire terms of service document. Have you read through every single change a gaming company has made to their terms of service every time they change it? And if you have, know that most people don’t. So for many people, it came as a surprise that saying fleshlight, using crude humor, or swearing was worth a 3 day ban. Sure, there are things we should know better than to do, but some of this stuff is warning worthy. It saves a lot of hassle on your end, and my end, and keeps us both happier and with less issues. So I don’t really see the down side?

Freyar.3254:

I’ve played many a game where people behave like you’re pining for. I don’t want that kind of environment. It’s draining, it’s tiresome, it’s stupid. A better community as a result of strong response by ArenaNet’s policies makes this significantly more enjoyable as I don’t have to read hostile spam in /map or in cities.

I do see what you’re saying and completely understand it. There’s many less trolls, people are generally nicer and more helpful. I really appreciate that in the GW2 community, and I know it’s a result of how they handle the people who are rude. However, it also makes for a much more cut and dry “Hi, how was your day?” “Good, how was yours?” Kind of feel to everything. I don’t feel like I can sit back and relax with anyone. If I relaxed and treated these people like my friends, I would swear occasionally. I would joke around. But that’s not allowed. So I think this system is kind of a double-edged sword. I understand what they want and are going for, but I don’t think this is the right way to do it. If they continue to do it this way, then I guess I’ll just have to find a different game

Freyar.3254:

Dan.9801:

TOTO.3175:

If I get banned again, I will be permanently banned, seems legit.

Is that really how it works? 3 strikes and you’re out? Now i’ll be super paranoid that if i say Hi to someone while they’re having a bad day i’ll lose all my characters FOREVER. It should be based on the severity of the actions that you did, not how many times you did stupid things that barely deserve a ban

Oh and yeah i would really like to know what i said that got me 14 days away from gw2

Don’t repeat your mistakes? Clearly saying “Hi” to someone won’t ever result in you being suspended, where just being mean will.

You took what he said way to literally. What if I’m joking around with my friends in guild chat and mention something about dildo’s and someone finds it offensive and reports me. It sucks to have to be paranoid about stuff like that when we play games to relax, not get taut and stressed. I don’t have to worry about this when I’m hanging out with my friends, nor when I’m playing any other game in the world. I don’t want to play this game if it’s going to be like this, but I really do like this game. So I lose either way. I was never mean to a single person, but if they interpret it that way and report me, I’m going to get banned apparently.

We live in a world where we focus on persecuting the people who bother other people with their words. But what the most profound people have learned, is that anyone can be offended by anything. So instead of working on persecuting people, we need to work on toughening our skin so that if someone says something mean, it doesn’t affect us. Idealistically, one wouldn’t even care if someone walked up to them and cussed them out then walked away. I feel like that’s what we should work towards.

Godmoney.2048:

TouchOfRed.8359:

Godmoney.2048:

I got banned for 3 days for replying to someone who mentioned a “fleshlight” by saying “I used to own a fleshlight, but it filled up.”

I understand banning if this is unacceptable. My only issue is that never before in a videogame have I ever been banned for joking around.

I really wish I would have just got a warning. I wouldn’t have said anything again. 3 day’s with no warning seems pretty harsh considering i never call people names or anything racially offensive.

I very much so agree with you. If I had been warned instead of being banned immediately, I would have refrained from swearing. The only reason why I swore in GW2, is because it’s never been a problem in any video game I’ve played, and I didn’t think this one was different.

However, knowing now how strict everyone is about chat now, I’m not sure I want to play a game where I’m stressed out about if I’ll be reported for something I see as a joke, but someone else sees as offensive. Or if I lightly swear around guild mates or something. If that’s how they want to run their game, that’s fine. It’s just odd and I like this game, so I’d hate to have to see it off for such a trivial problem.

The thing is my quote up there is literal. I didn’t swear in the sentence. I don’t think i’ve sworn in GW2 chat at all ever.

I’m being quite literal. I said " I used to own a fleshlight but it filled up" I understand that it’s tasteless and rude and I have no problem never saying anything like that again in chat if that’s what Arenanet deems fit.

My only problem is that I really don’t feel that is 3 day ban worthy considering I’ve never used racial slurs or called someone and idiot or stupid in chat. All I did was joke around with some low brow humor.

Oh I know. I was referring to me as the one who swore, I also got a ban for 3 days for saying stuff like “Holy **** this guy hits hard” or “That ****** killed me” (In reference to NPC’s). I think it’s even more ridiculous that you were banned, because I mean I guess in my case I at least directly violated the ToS. But someone would just have to claim what you said is inappropriate and offensive? And I personally think it’s ridiculous that this stuff is suspension worthy. Warning, I wouldn’t be as surprised by, but it would still strike me as odd. But hey, if that’s how they want to run their game.

Godmoney.2048:

I got banned for 3 days for replying to someone who mentioned a “fleshlight” by saying “I used to own a fleshlight, but it filled up.”

I understand banning if this is unacceptable. My only issue is that never before in a videogame have I ever been banned for joking around.

I really wish I would have just got a warning. I wouldn’t have said anything again. 3 day’s with no warning seems pretty harsh considering i never call people names or anything racially offensive.

I very much so agree with you. If I had been warned instead of being banned immediately, I would have refrained from swearing. The only reason why I swore in GW2, is because it’s never been a problem in any video game I’ve played, and I didn’t think this one was different.

However, knowing now how strict everyone is about chat now, I’m not sure I want to play a game where I’m stressed out about if I’ll be reported for something I see as a joke, but someone else sees as offensive. Or if I lightly swear around guild mates or something. If that’s how they want to run their game, that’s fine. It’s just odd and I like this game, so I’d hate to have to see it off for such a trivial problem.

I’m kind of disappointed with the GW2 community and the terms of service to be honest. I just got a 3 day ban for inappropriate language. Not even anything racial or particularly offensive. I would say stuff in chat like “This ****** is tough as nails” or “Holy **** I just got hit for like 2k”. I didn’t really think that would warrant me a ban, but low and behold, it’s in the terms of service that I cannot swear and will be banned for it if I’m reported. And it sucks, because it’s completely my fault for swearing when I agreed not to, and they have every right to ban me, and the players have every right to report me. But if I can’t say stuff like that in chat without being scared of receiving another ban, I’ll be extremely disappointed that that is the reason why I’ll have to leave the game. I play a game to have fun, and relax. And apparently this community doesn’t approve of that, and the games creators don’t approve of it. It’s just a sucky reason to have to leave a game. I’ve never encountered problems like this with the terms of service or the game community ever before, and I’m not going to put up with it, so more than likely I’m going to have to stop playing.

However, the one unacceptable thing that has been done, is that I try to log in and it’s just like “You’re banned for inappropriate language for 72 hours.” Honestly? No e-mail on my e-mail account, no e-mail on here. No explanation. No easy way to try and fight it. I don’t even get a chat log showing what it was I got banned for. Nothing in existence has ever worked that way before because it’s unfair. We don’t throw people in prison without explaining what they did wrong, you don’t just punish people without ever explaining why. I’d never tell my kids that they can’t hang out with their friends and not explain why. It’s unjust.