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Also, a great way to engage an audience, especially with this kind of PvP, would be to have like a lobby area pre-game where the casters could explain the builds of the players to the audience. Obviously this would coincide with the stream lag thing that one guy mentioned, but yeah. It allows people to understand the reasoning behind the comps a little better.
Big ups for this post too, and something I didn’t touch in mine. I feel like the reason mobas are so successful is because of the ease of viewability. Ultimate spells are incredibly visual, and you can easily catch any spell that anyone uses. On top of that, there are only usually 4 spells to keep track of per person~ as well as spell timers on ultimates or on buffs and stuff like that. Having so many skills in Guild Wars 2 as well as them being so hard to track makes the game extremely hard to cast for as well as watch. A solution is really hard to think about though unless A Net wanted to redo all the spell animations I think.
I definitely agree with the centralized objective point you made. I felt like the guild lord in GvG was a big drive. Point capture is a great mode, but when you think about it~ any competitive PvP game that is at an e-sport level has a solid objective. The nexus for LoL, killing your opponents base in Starcraft 2. I feel like for the e-sports scene, and for how hard GW2 is to follow in its essence anyway, the lack of an objective based mode is detrimental to the excitement of a pvp focused game.
Maps are fine I think. Even in SC2 you have maps that are good for certain races and builds. It adds to your versatility. If you have a longer trek than the opponent just switch up your build to compensate.
As for the casters, I do get what Bas said about the game having just released spectator so I want to reiterate that I wasn’t trying to pick on the casters, but instead how difficult the game is to cast in essence. I think what would be a great way to combat that would be to maybe allow (and I know this is a big if) but allow multi-client access for spectating only. That way, casters can have like 2 or 3 different screen regions saved, and one can be for each point as well as one free roaming region for the actual caster to maneuver.
Regardless, there is a definite scene upcoming that I am thrilled about, and I am slowly finding out about the work SOAC is doing and it’s sounding pretty solid. So I guess the ball for improvement really is in A nets court now.
^ Paradigm EU uses warrior in some of their comps.
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GW2 Competitive scene is lacking, and its due to lack of competition. I wondered what I could do to get the scene going and I started a discussion about it and I guess the best way to do it is to start my own team and provide competition to our region. SO
I need 4-6 people who have some sort of competitive gaming background, or can learn quick. Also, I don’t want one-trick ponies, please be able to play at least a couple of classes rather well. I’m sure comps we end up running will stick you on your main class more often than not, but the idea is to be flexible. With the release of spectator mode and with what SOAC is doing for the competitive scene, we need to get more teams in.
So message me here on the forums or email me at chris.rogersdev@gmail.com and we can talk about our goals and what we would like to become.
Right, but why would Arena Net pour money into something they aren’t sure will work? Casual gamers are a great way to make money, and thats what they have their hand in right now. The community has to show them that the game can be successful competitively by itself before they’ll do anything about it. Even with Starcraft 1, people had to run their own tournaments before organizations picked up. Even now, Blizzard doesn’t run any SC2 tournaments, it’s all MLG/ESL/etc. and the ladder in-game doesn’t mean anything based on those leagues and such. So why would you expect our game to be so special as to not require that same kind of work?
^ Diversity of play styles isn’t in question, it has to be reactionary. You don’t get to be competitive without being essentially competitive, watching your opponents and building around what they normally run is a great way to get ahead. I’m not talking about a ladder, I’m talking about a player-run competitive scene. Arena net isn’t going to hand you a great system on a platter, they have to see the profit before they’ll do anything. Creating a system through the community will get you there a lot faster, and will mean more to the viewers than having nothing. You guys are talking about solo queuing pvp and I’m talking about a legit community based league system. Two completely different things.
For those of you who played guild wars 1 on release, I was in a guild called The Morning After. For a brief time we were rank 1 in the beginning of GvG taking down the likes of Esotaric, Frost etc. I gotta say Guild Wars 1 GvG was the most incredible gaming experience I’ve ever had, and for a competitive gamer that’s saying a lot. I know GW2 is in kind of a slump right now, but I want to get the ball rolling for a competitive scene. It’s not enough to expect Arena Net to do something about it.
A great example is League of Legends and Riot Games. Riot was a tiny company that created a MOBA that people started to enjoy. The PLAYERS started forming tournaments, leagues, ladders, etc. Solo Mid was the new place for players to go for competitive League of Legends advice, guides and tutorials. Riot saw this, saw the viewer numbers and went crazy, eventually forming league seasons, the LCS, Worlds and now sponsored salary pro-gamers. The thing that sets League of Legends apart from a normal e-sports game is the accessibility. You can download the game for free, and boom, you get to jump right in.
This is where Guild Wars 2 shines as well. Aside from the cost of the game, you get to jump RIGHT into the action in any pvp you want, and play and learn and be competitive. With Guild Wars 2 having that kind of accessibility, I see huge potential for a competitive scene. The problem I see right now is the casting of tournaments, and lack of prize pools. It takes people to step up to do this sort of thing. People don’t want to watch tournaments cast by people who don’t know spell names, or who cant use the camera properly.
On the other side of it, the way that Guild Wars 2 works is hard to cast for, so I think for future player-held tournaments, we really need point cameras on the streams, so that you can see all 3 points on the stream plus whatever action is going on. Then, the casters would have an easier time seeing whats going on and commentating as such.
I want to get the ball rolling because GW1 was such a huge step in the right direction for team-oriented competitive MMO PvP, I want to see GW2 flourish. I need a few like-minded people to get things going. High-level people who can start streaming, taking donations and using the donations to fund properly held tournaments. GW2 isn’t going to take off if the viewers aren’t as passionate about it as the players are, and you don’t get that without solid streams and casters. So if you’re interested in helping me set up what I think could be a pretty big thing let me know! Get a hold of me, reply here and lets get things started.
On the other side, lets get a discussion going. Why do you think GW2 hasn’t taken off? Give me some ideas so we can set it up the right way.