Guild Wars 2

Would definately promote hammer over staff, since the protection buff will help you stay up longer, and the utility skills are more useful then those of the staff, generally speaky. especially on the front lines.

Personally I’ve never been able to justify sanctuary on the bar because of the cooldown but it definately has it’s moments.

I wouldn’t recommend Save Yourself unless you have active condition removal or you’re using soldier runes… your playstyle is different to mine but when I used it in or near a zerg there were times when I would pick up every condition under the sun. As you noted, Stand your ground is an excellent replacement.

And yeah, Judge’s Intervention is my favourite WvW skill. 1200 range gap closer with a large aoe? Yes please.

Ultimately I guess it comes down to what ANet think. since someone mentioned they reported people, I’m going to leave it there.

As always if anyone has any concerns about Abyss feel free to PM me (or any other officer else for that matter) in game and we can take it up.

Oozo.7856:

Which is why I also said hardware. Taking out siege this way is obviously not intended gameplay and by defending it you are no better than the cheaters who use software to circumvent intended gameplay. End of story.

So your argument is that they should just.. only fire arrowcarts as far as you think they should be able to?

Oozo.7856:

Heh. The arrow cart is against the wall. He is on the arrow cart. The red circle from the arrow cart is well inside the courtyard of the keep. He is cheating.

Whether it is via a third party hack or hardware, this is not intended gameplay and it is cheating. Defending it makes you no better than the cheaters.

Play on a high res 30" monitor in windowed mode it’s part of the game. no third party software necessary. Abyss has zero tolerance for hacking/exploits.

Open on tarnished coast

Any NA still open?

I did actually play around with a set of (almost) full zerker gear last night… 80% crit damage and 50% crit chance, 3K power….

I did actual damage to players in WvW which was super exciting! On the downside a single thief downed me. :<
Might need to adjust my gameplan a little bit.

Incidentally, with full zerker the numbers I hit for with GS are still only almost as good as knights with 1hs or hammer. Obviously that’s a more complicated issue than just flat out numbers. I’m just exploring the class a bit at the moment, I have developed some horrible habits having playing guardian since release just facetanking everything and never dodging because lolwhy. Hopefully rolling around in glass canon gear for a while will help me relearn a few things.

this might be a little picky but it would be awesome if ANet would make up their kitten minds and put every gap closer for all weapons on the same frikkin button or let me rearrange skills myself!

Gaudrath.6725:

13500 HP and 1600 toughness, though I expect to get about 1-1.5k HP from runes which I haven’t bought yet.
I’m not easy to kill, but that’s because I have mad dodging skills from playing an ele and easy perma-vigor helps. No face tanking for me. I think lots of people get surprised when I hit them like a truck and they were expecting a bunker guardian.

What sort of numbers do you hit for? which weapon sets do you go for?

Definately agree with 2 and 4… Really with shield and sword was as viable as hammer. So much damage potential in sword if #3 actually hit stuff!

What is wrong with scepter 1?

Apart from these couple of issues I feel like guardian is pretty good at the moment.
Although – and this is going to sound wierd – After playing around with 1hs and hammer, GS feels really underpowered.

I am wondering what people consider to be the optimum amount of health/toughness to be…
I have been mucking around with builds for a while trying to work out how much I can compromise in exchange for damage output and things like that while being pretty “safe”.

IE, in my defacto AH build I have ~3K toughness and about 20K health rendering me almost unkillable without a decent size zerg, although damage output, particularly with a GS is pretty low with that setup.

On my 1HS + Shield build I had ~17k HP and a bit under 3K toughness but damage output was substantially higher.

What have you guys found? How low can you go?

Nakoor.1980:

VeTx.5340:

Nakoor.1980:

The way I am spec’d revolves around mass condition removal and maintaining constant retal throughout a fight. I don’t really build into any damage nor do I use any equips for damage. I’m almost pure tank, but can still hit hard with the help of retal and some of the other traits that increase damage based on boons/endurance. Shout Guardian basically so you are laying down support for your allies as well as yourself.

Overall it works out really well in wvw not only for small mans but also larger fights.

I am pretty interesting in playing with Retal, what is your trait setup like?

It might seem a bit weird….compared to other builds. I was going to get around to putting up a video of my build on my channel this week, but I run 0/0/20/25/25. All your shouts give retal or two of them do. One of the major traits increasing retal by 25% you can constantly keep about 30+seconds of retal up through a fight.

Alot more to my build, but thats the majority of the retal part.

Cool, can’t wait to see it. Do you know the impact of +cnd dmg on retal?

Nakoor.1980:

The way I am spec’d revolves around mass condition removal and maintaining constant retal throughout a fight. I don’t really build into any damage nor do I use any equips for damage. I’m almost pure tank, but can still hit hard with the help of retal and some of the other traits that increase damage based on boons/endurance. Shout Guardian basically so you are laying down support for your allies as well as yourself.

Overall it works out really well in wvw not only for small mans but also larger fights.

I am pretty interesting in playing with Retal, what is your trait setup like?

When I levelled my guardian (at release so things may have changed) the easiest way to play was to dump 15 points into radiance and pick up renewed justice then spam F1 skill on mobs.

After you hit 80 though, strife’s build is one of the more popular, documented here:
http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/70142-after-100s-of-hours-my-final-guardian-build/
It spams boons on everyone around you and in turn heals you. Useful in any group situation.
For solo play you can easily flip it over to a meditations build (swap out altruisitic healing for Monk’s Focus and all your shouts for Judge’s intervention, purge conditions, etc).

At the very least this provides a good starting point for coming up with new and interesting builds.

Your ehp is pretty low, especially for WvW. IMHO you would be better off dropping points from radiance and putting them into valor + honor. Then swap out the signet of toughness for something else… you will gain more than 10% damage reduction by raising toughness anyway, so it’s not that useful.

You might also consider swapping out full zerker gear for a mix of zerker and knights or zerker and valk.

If you have a higher base hp, you could then swap out the mango pie for butternut pumpkin soup (+crit dmg/chance) food.

Also, this is partly personal preference but Judge’s Intervention is super useful in WvW as a gap closer.

I’m running 1HS + Shield at the moment…
Build here:
http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/guardian/?3.2|c.1p.h14.e.1p.h1|b.1n.h1d.0.0.0|1n.7x.1n.7x.1n.7z.1n.7x.1n.7x.1g.7x|31k.d1a.2u.d1c.2t.d1c.1p.61.1p.61.8c.64|0.u26b.u16c.a6.0|39.1|v.13.15.18.1i|e

Build is very much a Work In Progress but could easily swap out shield for focus if desired.

The main disadvantage I have noticed with 1HS vs GS is that it sucks in general PvE most of the time due to single target nature (duh). However it easily outdamages GS on single targets.

As has been noted, sword #3 is kitten at the moment which makes the weapon vaguely unpleasant to use. It still easily outdamages other weapons on a single target though. If I use flashing blade (for blind and vuln) and then ZD right after I hit for like 6K + burning/whatever. The really sad thing about ZD is that it roots you in place which completely negates the advantage of it being a ranged attack since people very rarely stand in one place.

IMHO the focus isn’t terrifically useful though, blocking three attacks is useful if you’re 1v1ing a thief? If you’re defending a tower those three hits will disappear. RoJ has it’s uses but I never ended up using it as much as I probably should have.

The torch would up your DPS vs focus, 1hs + torch is pretty good combo if you’re going for damage imo.

Slight digression: I ended up preferring shield mostly because #4 has good utility + buffs allies (and it imho fits better with sword because protection for a few seconds is worth more than blocking three attacks) & #5 knockback is very useful in WvW for CC.

Score update please!

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Agreed. As much as we like our pals over on DH and HoD, they’re too quiet on the forums. Hopefully, NSP can step it up.

Not true! Remeber last week when we went on for two pages bickering amongst ourselves!!! And making accusations!!!!

I am sure everyone is too busy HONING THEIR MINDS INTO RAZOR SHARP IMPLEMENTS in order to handle the coming trials!

Everyone is very excited. I had a little peek in the T6 thread earlier though and it seems like there’s only 4 people that were posting so I hope for HoD and GoM’s sake at least one of them was on NSP.

Bllade.1029:

BUT THIS IS CLEARLY MALICIOUS INTENT, because DH really gives a kitten about either one of our servers!

I’d give them a kitten.

Fo srs though, everyone is sick of this matchup, everyone on DH is trying to push us up a tier so we can have a break.

titanlectro.5029:

DH, I hope you guys do well in T6. I honestly think you might win the tier. Just throw 50 more golems at them and watch them melt. If I had to guess (and this is little more than a guess), they will match your numbers, but I think your tactics will be better.

Say hi to AR and BP when you get there, we used to fight them constantly. In fact, I think a several of GoM’s former guilds are still over there.

Thanks! We will certainly give it our best.

I hope you guys have fun with NSP! I know you’ll give them a run for their money.

Sororita.3465:

DH, you guys have perfect flame ram placement, our defensive cata couldnt hit it.

You don’t know the half of it. Our siege placement is ELITE.

Shaad.1706:

awwwwwwwwww maaaaaaaaaaaaaan! No one ever includes me

You sir are a CAD! And <<INSERT GUILD HERE>> are the most devilish rapscallions out of all the fiendish hell mollusks from <<INSERT SERVER HERE>>. I SAY GOOD DAY TO YOU.

XoxcideX.5971:

VeTx.5340:

Fizzlepip.5218:

In the end, we really should be blaming [WE] or something.

SCREW OXCIDE!

Screw me? i know i am good looking but geese, don’t make me blush.

OXCIDE! <33

Fizzlepip.5218:

In the end, we really should be blaming [WE] or something.

SCREW OXCIDE!

Flinch.8061:

VeTx.5340:

Aurorae Eagle.9435:

I’d like to thank everyone for coming to our “hugfest”.

For those not there, we’ve decided to host another Fight Club in GoM borderlands at 5pm server time tommorow. Be there and get square.

It was nice meeting you all today btw, if any of you want to say hi just drop me a line at any time.

You should organise more hugfests! I would have gone if I wasn’t busy at work. :<

Don’t worry I hugged enough people for you too, Mah charrbro!

CHARRBROS4LIEF

I bet you found like 10 exotics while you were there too. :<

Aurorae Eagle.9435:

I’d like to thank everyone for coming to our “hugfest”.

For those not there, we’ve decided to host another Fight Club in GoM borderlands at 5pm server time tommorow. Be there and get square.

It was nice meeting you all today btw, if any of you want to say hi just drop me a line at any time.

You should organise more hugfests! I would have gone if I wasn’t busy at work. :<

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

We’re about to hit page 4. I think that’s a first for this match-up!

Here’s the tl;dr edition for those just tuning in:
Prosecute is mad because he got killed in a pvp area and decides to form a mini-alliance with some HoD guilds to make GoM mad in return. Succeeds in creating dissension on both his own server and HoD while GoM collectively shrugs and goes about business as usual. HoD hosts a hugfest so everyone can go back to being bff’s. Meanwhile, Acium makes a play at forming an alliance with the forum moderators.

In a shocking M. Night Shymaleen twist, it’s revealed that Prosecute is a former Kaineng player. Credits roll.

I don’t understand, if the terrorists didn’t plan the bomb, then who did?

Presents Acium with a big hug

Let’s keep this silly squabble out of this thread, Proscuitto can troll all he likes, trying to peg Abys as a ‘Super serious’ guild is pretty lulz though.

Prosecutor.1457:

The reason why I moved? Arrogant, self centered guilds like yourself who thinks they are on top of the server.

I hope the irony of this statement is not lost on anyone.

Prototype.9017:

I’m sure that at this point, everyone that’s played this game has at some point been double teamed, and as has been stated many times, that’s just the nature of 3 teams fighting over the same points. While I personally wouldn’t decide to form an alliance, there are people who believe it is a legitimate strategy, which to me, is perfectly fine. I agree that there is no reason for it to be done by the server that is leading the battle currently, but you know what they say, kitten happens.

My point is, don’t let it bother you. Winning is fantastic and all, but what it all comes down to is if you personally are having fun or not. If you’re not having fun, find another way to do so. A close friend and myself used to sit at the south-west supply camp in the borderland maps and wait for people to come to take it back, then proceed to drop down on them using the warrior’s falling damage reduction trait, and watch them fly backwards. Were we accomplishing anything that really benefited our server? Not at all, but we loved every second of it. Do what you think is fun, and don’t let the scores have a factor on that. Cheers to GoM and HoD, who have been excellent opponents for our entire stay in T7.

Ultimately people on DH allying with other servers only hurts us, and if/when we go up a tier we’ll get destroyed regardless. For HoD and GoM who both have less coverage than us it could be a legitimate strategy to start winning again and get back some of the fairweather players they have presumably lost. To be honest if GoM and HoD team up together they would crush us.

But more importantly and as was noted above, DH went through a losing streak before we got to T7, and a lesson I learned from that was that you need to keep people having fun and not make WvW feel like a job or some uphill kittenfight.

Bllade.1029:

Lol you guys are rediculous.

Let’s all pause for a moment, and please for gods sake repeat after me…

This is a computer game.

There. Didn’t that feel good? Let’s do it a couple more times.

+1, Lets all talk about something positive for a change.
I’m really impressed by how HoD and GoM have held up in this matchup, since it’s been over a month of DH victory and they still make us fight for every bit of land we take. They had a strong lead and worked together really well over the weekend this round as well.

Prosecutor.1457:

This talk about Jumping puzzles especially from GoM guilds TYRI/BS/GoM. Don’t blame DH for camping the puzzle. These guilds specifically started it first. Eye for an Eye.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world… not have any badges I guess?

Deleted post – definately don’t want to step into this hornets nest.
Posts about exploiting get deleted by ANet so no point discussing it here. Matters are being handled internally.

Theftwind.8976:

VeTx.5340:

Theftwind.8976:

Anyone from DH have an explanation?

Putting aside that holding all of DH accountable for the actions of a few, killing people in a PvP zone is hardly bad form. And it’s hardly worth starting a pointless internet argument over.

From what I have seen all parties have been mostly very courteous over this ridiculously long matchup. The people being discourteous are definately in the minority. So… Kudos to everyone?

Killing in a PvP zone is not the issue. The issue is using a known exploit in order to take a keep that you could not take honestly. If members on your server particpated/know who capped the keep or have any knowledge of it whatsoever and you fail to report them then you are complicit.

Sorry, I thought you were referring to killing in the JP, not the other thing. I wasn’t online at the time and can’t comment.

Harbinger.9645:

SQLOwns.7316:

Harbinger.9645:

Since when do we, GoM, roam with DH?! Is this actually happening?

I saw a DH roaming with 3-4 GoM (Tuesday I think?) taking turns capping sentrys and supply camps. Wasn’t sure how to report it or if it was even reportable.

Well if that was happening just know it’s got to be a minority group. I’ve never seen anyone in game doing it and would probably start baiting the two groups into fighting each other if I did.

DH is top dog right now, and for the last few weeks. Everyone from GoM and HoD SHOULD be working against them every chance they get.

Definately the minority. GoM and HoD should definately team up more against us.

Actium.8765:

Alright I hate to do this but I wanna say something to my fellow darkhaven players.

Please stop with the accusations of double teaming. I would do the same exact thing they are doing. Our last matchup with dragonbrand I was literraly in a party with the other servers commander coordination our attacks against DB.

As the server with the overwhelming numbers and point lead we should expect to get hit from both servers. if we don’t get hit then in all honesty i’d think there commanderless or they just aren’t thinking right.

Also, to all servers. No player ever likes being defeated. So let’s find something to congratulate that player on instead of bashing them for it. Civilty can go a long way for servers and i’m sure that if people transfered to your server there trying to get away from this sort of drama and mudslinging.

Ok, i’m done with my nag nag posts. In all honesty even without the numbers HoD and GoM are amazing opponites and when i’m online commanding i always try and do things different then last time so i can keep them on their toes.

anyways, i’m out at sea running drills for the next 2 weeks so i won’t be able to enjoy the rest of this matchup or fight club. It’s been fun and I have learned a couple things from you guys. keep up the good fight.

+1! GoM and HoD keep it coming. I only wish they had better coverage at night when I’m online. :<

Acium we’ll miss you~

Debois Guilbert.6413:

VeTx.5340:

Debois Guilbert.6413:

To clarify: if you and others are doubting our commanders then the opposing commanders have succeeded. If you have not already read it, I recommend “The Art of War” by Sun Tzu. Surprising how much applies to WvW.

This is correct, although a commander needs to actually win peoples’ loyalty first. It can be a bit of a catch 22.

Exactly, and Sun Tzu knew that:

“A leader leads by example not by force.”.

Totally with you on the Art of War it’s a really worthwhile read for anyone- even just day to day life.

Debois Guilbert.6413:

To clarify: if you and others are doubting our commanders then the opposing commanders have succeeded. If you have not already read it, I recommend “The Art of War” by Sun Tzu. Surprising how much applies to WvW.

This is correct, although a commander needs to actually win peoples’ loyalty first. It can be a bit of a catch 22.

Detharos.3157:

Sup tier 7 peoples. I hope you all are ordering lots of lube in advance.

That’s cute. Sorry I didn’t order lube but I did order these.

Sorry if we go in dry.