Guild Wars 2

I think one of the reason that “chest bumping” has gone on is, believe it or not, this is actually the first reset in recent memory where UW have come out with a lead, we’re used to having to climb from third to first during the week, this reset went really really well compared to every single other one and so some of my fellow Underworlders are obviously a bit chuffed.

In any case I’ve had some good fun so far, let’s keep it up.

Or go for a Shout healing build with a hammer for CC.

You won’t be killing anything very quickly but chances are you won’t die if you play it right.

I honestly don’t agree with the whole “Snowbally” sentiment when it comes to points.

I’ve seen a lot of cases on the match up scores where a server had a substantial lead on Sunday evening and another server completely overtook them by Friday reset. I’ve had my server win due to this. Bringing itself to first place during the week. Also I’ve lost to this by losing first place during the week.

The thing I think has a snowball effect is WvW populations, if a server is winning more people play for it, if it starts losing then the randoms stop coming and the die hard WvW guilds are all that’s left. Simple as that. Then, to me, it shows the true skill of a server.

I honestly tend to to stop playing when we take an early lead because it becomes too easy due to the huge influx randomers, I’ve also seen other big WvWers stop while we’re in a big lead. Not only does this empty WvW it makes it easier for the then losing servers allowing them to take that lead in the week.

This is so far from true that it hurts.

You don’t need the top gear to be useful in WvW, especially if you take advantage of the upscaling.

You’re correct in saying that gear makes a difference but it would be stupid for it to not, I worked hard for my ascended rings and my exotic armor, why should I not be able to use them?

If you want everyone to have equal gear go to sPvP no one can have a gear advantage unless they’re just plain better at putting together armor builds than you.

(if you need proof of not needing the highest gear just look for upscaled people killing level 80s, the latest one I witnessed was a guildy of mine killing two level 80s with a level 2 thief.)

Great little meet ups Great to have a match up like this let’s carry it on in the next week.

I’m pretty much leaving this thread as it is as I’ve said all that I feel I can and everyone is making good points I still believe the Kodan theory personally but that’s jsut because to me it makes more sense, although the Luxon theory above is also very interesting.

Oglaf.1074:

Common Norn belief holds that Kodan are Norn who have become “stuck” in Bear Form. The Kodan themselves neither deny nor confirm this. Personally I think the Kodan are just being courteous towards the Norn belief in not denying it. Makes sense when you consider that the Kodan are trying to take the Norn under their wing and teach them about their beliefs about Balance.

I just would like to say in relation to this quote that in most cases the Kodan are generally considering the possibility that the species are linked. It isn’t mearly the Kodan being “courteous” as you can see if you listen to some Kodan actually discuss it out loud in Frostgourge.

Well I don’t think you can debate “The Koda”‘s existance due to it residing in The Mists which can literally have anything and everything inside it, I always saw the GW2 religious system liberating as due to The Mists all religions barring The Eternal Alchemy which has no physical manifestation can be real. The Voice does communicate with something in The Mists and the race of Koda name it “The Koda” which make that deity a reality whether it makes it a god is another thing. The Koda’s religious beginnings mentions spirits, even going so far as to say that their deity IS a spirit of the wild. Why could the Koda that left to hunt not have called out to the other spirits for guidance? Their fore starting their current religion?

In regards to the Jotun splitting and one half finding the spirits and saving themselves from this fall from grace I just don’t buy it, the Jotun were very big headed with a holyer than thou attitude, for them to suddenly change makes no sense to me.

Guild Warrior.9540:

“However Kodan have not shown the ability to shapeshift and the idea of the spirits turning bears into human like beings just seems odd.”

Exactly.The Kodan seem to be just like anthro furries to me and it should be impossible for something human looking like the norn to come from them without some sort of divine/magical genetic engineering assistance.And a knowledge as to what humans are and look like.

Neither have the Jotun.

Bard.7215:

Venzetti.3901:

The Norn from Koda makes more sense to me, especially when you put their cultures side by side. As well as the story of The Claw without The Voice going out to hunt, and hunting being a huge part of what Norn culture is now.

The connection is only really seen with the fact that Norn can transform.

However Kodan have not shown the ability to shapeshift and the idea of the spirits turning bears into human like beings just seems odd.

The Juton body shape is closer to the norn than that of their supposed Ogre cousins.

What about their deep reliance on honor and integrity, while the Jotun will famously back stab and destroy each other as shown by the downfall of their civilisation?

Or them both believing deeply in a chosen faith, the Koda having their god, and the Norns having the spirits while the Jotun have no religion or faith at all?

Hell if you want to go really simple similarities (granted they share this with the Jotun as well) their inhabitants of cold places!

The Jotun and Norns are just too different to be anything more than rivals in my opinion.

Guild Warrior.9540:

In Thruln the Losts story he says the following.

“In the beginning, humans lived like grawl. The gods had not yet noticed them. Their magic was primitive: fire, earth, air and water. My jotun ancestors helped them survive.”

Then Later.

“Humans collected on the high plains. Tribes became settlements. Settlements became a kingdom. And that was when the gods noticed them and betrayed the jotun”

“The other races looked up to the norn and the jotun. We were superior to all other races, and we were gaining on the gods.”

He never says the Norn were there before the Humans only that other races looked up to Both norn and Jotun. And the gods he seems to speaking of are the human gods yet he acts as if they are Jotun gods.But the Jotun are supposedly native to Tyria so why would he view the human gods as gods?

Believe it or not, I know it sounds like bullkitten, but it is suggested in the lore that this is actually a lie told by the Jotun to make their culture seem more significant… notice how I said suggested, i’m not say it is a lie, but it’s suggested.

The Norn from Koda makes more sense to me, especially when you put their cultures side by side. As well as the story of The Claw without The Voice going out to hunt, and hunting being a huge part of what Norn culture is now.

You’re running off GW1 lore, not GW2, a quote taken from http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Lore

“The oldest records on Tyria dates back to approximately 10,000 BE, the estimated date for the Giganticus Lupicus’ extinction at the claws of the Elder Dragons during their last known time of awakening. The only known surviving sentient races of this time are the dwarves, forgotten, jotun, mursaat, and seers. "

“At some point prior to 786 BE the Six Gods arrived on Tyria at the Artesian Waters in Orr from the Mists and later brought humanity to the world. It is said that the Six Gods brought the forgotten to the world as well; however this is now questionable given their dealings with the Elder Dragons.”

Also in response to your edit, it’s already set in the lore that the six gods didn’t create any of the races (apart from humans which is hazy) and that the Charr, Forgotten, Seers, Mursaat, Elder Dragons and Jotun were in Tyria before the gods arrived.

I wasn’t really clear enough with my logic, apologies :P

I mean more that Jotun were already at a very high point of their culture when the dragons came, they knew magic, were already very skilled astronomers and had a nice chunky civilisation going. This would take a very long time to happen, so in my personal opinion it’s highly unlikely that Jotun came from the GL… especially since the GL had no culture or organisation that we know of and the Jotun are known as having a very advanced deep culture before their fall from grace. Evolution would usually show the GL would have some sort of culture to have them become a race that has so much culture such as the Jotun.

Personally I doubt this, mainly because it’s suggested heavily that the Norn are evolved (or devolved depending how you see it) Koda. The Koda themselves believe this. Also if I do re call the Giganticus Lupicus went extinct around the same time as the original rise of the Dragons, when the Jotun were already present and in their highly intelligent state.

Has this thread really turned into who exploited and who didn’t? Come on guys this match up has been the most fun I’ve had in ages based on everyone being fairly even in skill. I myself had a fight for 30 mins with two amazing FS Eles that I won’t be forgetting anytime soon and so many other great moments. How about we bring this back to the match and not exploiters?