Guild Wars 2

What I am not saying is that we are throwing completely useless players on the platform. In regards to your example, I do not think 4 people can possibly wipe in 5 seconds at the same time against an aoe boss. A more likely example would be 1 or 2 people dying, but having people that warp in faster can save them. You cant assume the people who go into warden 3 all know how to play it either . We cannot simply pick the best players to fight warden 3 to go to lane 3 because there is a chance they will have to fight boss 2. Not to mention the side fact that most good players have the strongest computers and get in the fastest.

The thing is that we are all doing an event together. Assuming we distribute between lanes 1,2,3,4,5 if a platform fails, that warden will go on to the next lane. And if they fail again, it would go onto the next lane. In this game, you have to be prepared for multiple wardens because fails happen all the time. If we stacked lane 2 and 3, we will have people who actually know the boss that would normally be in lanes 4 and 5 if we evenly spread the lanes, that go to lanes 2 and 3 so we would be putting experienced players into lanes 2 and 3. Saying that lanes 4 and 5 have no way to beat wardens 2 and 3 is unreasonable. There is no better way than playing a boss and winning to know how to beat it. Losing against a boss is the worst way to learn.

If lanes 4 and 5 did not know how to beat the boss before, and if we lost at lanes 2 and 3, they would have to beat the boss again. We can’t say that everyone from lane 2 knows exactly how to beat the boss because this situation does not happen and we HAVE lost warden 2 in lane 2 multiple times in the past. And even when we do have people who KNOW how to beat lane 2, sometimes they die, or they dont have to dps to win.

I am saying that having 8 people increases the chances of beating a warden and it is worth the sacrifice of leaking from 1 lane. There hasn’t been enough people who experienced the power of a 8 manned platform, but we have all seen the most common result of having 20-25 people per lane and seeing by randomness 3-4 people on a platform and them not having a dps, or them wiping.

I recommended this guide because I have seen how we have lost against warden 2 and 3. And I do see that a big problem is because we don’t have the dps or they wipe against the boss. And I do see that losing against a warden will increase the bar far much more than leaking does, and it is worth the risk to stack a lane and have a much higher chance of beating a boss than leaking some champions which does not increase the bar as much as people suspect.

If you have tried the strength of an 8 man platform maybe you would agree with me. But theres too much skepticism against something that they havent tried, vs. a strategy that has been done since the beginning and works ‘sometimes’.

I really think having 8 people will have less people going down on aoe because thers more people who know how to dodge the mines.

The issue with timing is interesting but the solution is to not kill the regulator until theres ~10sec left so we can just wait after the boss dies (or 1 plat waits)

Having a larger pool of players means that the average skill of the player will be more consistent. Thus, 8 players should have a higher chance of survivng than 5 overall because skill is distributed.
It is alot easier to res people with 8 players on a platform than 5., and if those 5 people didnt have a chance of succeeding the boss would have failed too. If 8 people are on a platform, I really don’t think a platform can wipe because the amount of heals that exist on the platform. That is against if 5 people are on a platform and 3 die, those 2 surviving will have a much more difficult time ressing 3 people, than 5 people on an 8 platform ressing 3 people.

I really think having a larger amount of numbers will increase the chance of beating the boss SIGNIFICANTLY.

My statistics before is that in the past we are always spreading outselves on 5 platforms, and i have a 10% winrate like that. The only time I did the strategy, I got to the fifth boss…. I know its the smallest sample rate possible and I am trying to get people to try the strategy but its hard to convince randoms of doing something >.>

You will never have 3-4 people per lane…. Thats 12 people on the server? Basically just give up lol

I think with 8 people we have alot more dps and can kill the boss easier. The hard part with having 3-4 people ona platform is because it is more difficult to find people that know how to beat it AND have the dps. Scaling up is much easier to beat than scaling down. And if 1 person goes down for whatever reason, there is a much higher chance of wiping.

The greatest problem i have encountered is people dismissing the legitimacy of the strategy without coming up with strong reasons why it would not work. It is really difficult to convince a group to try a strategy because of how counterintuitive it is to just ‘let monsters leak’ when it is possible to kill them but the reason we lose is because we lose to the wardens, not because the monsters leak

Some things include: We have stacked lane 1 in the past and by the end of the boss the bar is 50% full.

This is a totally different situation because
1. 4 lanes are not covered
2. the people are not aware that the small weak twisted reavers cause a large growth in the bar. The champions only increase it by 1%.

People say things like the way things are is fine. We can all beat the platform with 5 people. But the thing is that is it not consistently winning because we win 4/5 platforms. Yes winning with 5 people is possible, but if we had 8 per platform it would be a higher chance of winning. Saying things like ‘everyone should just learn the boss, or stop being bad’ is not a solution because it does not change the result because mistakes happen, and this can result in a platwipe.

I don’t think there is a cap for going into the platform… Has anyone ever been denied entry?

I believe people only think there is a cap of 25 people because we all try to get 25 people per lane

I have done the twisted marionette boss battle 20-30 times. I have succeeded twice.

Problem with current strategy: On Boss 2/3, we usually have 4/5 plats complete the boss. And then we fail, over and over again. I always play overflow, and enter 15-20 mins before the fight.

There is alot of excuses about how some people don’t know the fight, and with time they will understand. Its been ~10 days and I am still failling.

I tried this strat once in an overflow**** (with less people), and we got to the fifth boss before losing.

I recommended this strategy again after but I was shot down by map chat.

STRATEGY~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Currently, we spread out people between the 5 lanes, and we will have 15-25 people per lane. Boss 4 or 5, we will have a bit more from lane 1 and 2 (those who make the trip), but in the end, we will have about 5 people per platform.. In some overflows, we will have 3-4 per platform.

Assuming that we will have 110-120 people per overflow/server, this is the plan that will relieve the stress put on each platform.

1. Stack lanes 1, 2 and 3 with ~35-40 people.
Put 3-4 people in lanes 4 and 5 to kill twisted reavers (with the machine guy). Basically we leave lanes 4 and 5 DRY (mainly DRY) 3-4 people maximum.

This ensures that each platform will have 7-8 people. The bosses will have easier because we have
- more dps
- more ACCESSIBLE people to res down people
- more chance of players with skill fighting the boss

2. When LANE 3 is fighting the boss, EVERYONE in LANE 1 (minus 3-4 people) migrates to lane 4 through the [False River Waypoint].

3. When LANE 4 is fighting the boss, EVERYONE in LANE 2 (minus 3-4 people) migrates to lane 5 through the [False River Waypoint].

4. The lanes countine to migrate until we win.

Questions/counters to this strategy:

Q: Champions will leak through and we will lose faster.
A: The biggest factor that influences the bar is the losses to the wardens. In this strategy, we make EVERY attempt count, and we maximize the chances of beating that warden. With 7-8 people, we have a much larger chance of beating the warden. The only problem are the small mobs. Leaving 2-3 people in the empty lanes to that care of that will minimize the growth of the bar. Champions only increase the bar by 1-2%. Also, we will only leak about 2 lanes out of the 5 since the other lanes are stacked.

Any questions or problems with this strategy please leave them below and I will try to answer them.

-Savaske

I have done the twisted marionette boss battle 20-30 times. I have succeeded twice.

Problem with current strategy: On Boss 2/3, we usually have 4/5 plats complete the boss. And then we fail, over and over again. I always play overflow, and enter 15-20 mins before the fight.

There is alot of excuses about how some people don’t know the fight, and with time they will understand. Its been ~10 days and I am still failling.

I tried this strat once in an overflow**** (with less people), and we got to the fifth boss before losing.

I recommended this strategy again after but I was shot down by map chat.

STRATEGY~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
—————————————————————————————————————-

Currently, we spread out people between the 5 lanes, and we will have 15-25 people per lane. Boss 4 or 5, we will have a bit more from lane 1 and 2 (those who make the trip), but in the end, we will have about 5 people per platform.. In some overflows, we will have 3-4 per platform.

Assuming that we will have 110-120 people per overflow/server, this is the plan that will relieve the stress put on each platform.

1. Stack lanes 1, 2 and 3 with ~35-40 people.
Put 3-4 people in lanes 4 and 5 to kill twisted reavers (with the machine guy). Basically we leave lanes 4 and 5 DRY (mainly DRY) 3-4 people maximum.

This ensures that each platform will have 7-8 people. The bosses will have easier because we have
- more dps
- more ACCESSIBLE people to res down people
- more chance of players with skill fighting the boss

2. When LANE 3 is fighting the boss, EVERYONE in LANE 1 (minus 3-4 people) migrates to lane 4 through the [False River Waypoint].

3. When LANE 4 is fighting the boss, EVERYONE in LANE 2 (minus 3-4 people) migrates to lane 5 through the [False River Waypoint].

4. The lanes countine to migrate until we win.

Questions/counters to this strategy:

Q: Champions will leak through and we will lose faster.
A: The biggest factor that influences the bar is the losses to the wardens. In this strategy, we make EVERY attempt count, and we maximize the chances of beating that warden. With 7-8 people, we have a much larger chance of beating the warden. The only problem are the small mobs. Leaving 2-3 people in the empty lanes to that care of that will minimize the growth of the bar. Champions only increase the bar by 1-2%. Also, we will only leak about 2 lanes out of the 5 since the other lanes are stacked.

Any questions or problems with this strategy please leave them below and I will try to answer them.

-Savaske