Guild Wars 2

Yamori.9781:

Can’t see any reason not to help other people get their titles, at least not one that makes any sense. Thank you to all the people helping out others get their titles and points. If you don’t feel like helping out that’s your choice. Don’t really see how it makes you a better person by showing other people up in a mini-game but so be it.

My reasoning follows an ends justify the means form of justification.

An old saying states: “Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime.”

Let’s analyze this into the situation at hand now. I can give someone a free win and they can have their title, I’ve essentially just given them a fish. But the next event that has a title earned by a similar criteria, they’ll have no idea what to do and require another handout.

I can also beat them and hinder their progress in hopes that in order to get what they want, they’ll look towards accepting trial and error, and the principle of failure leading to success. The odds of this are very rare however, most people nowadays will just ragequit and find the handout somewhere else. But that’s not an issue I induce, that’s more of a personality flaw on their part if they’re not willing to put in the effort to kick it up a notch when it’s necessary and would rather find the easier road.

However, some times, and it does happen, you get that one guy who you spark the fire inside of them and they take each failure as a lesson and eventually beat you and earn their title. Actually happened to me about four hours before I went to work today. I had raced a guy eight times in a row, he eventually beat me and sent me a whisper saying pretty much he just wanted to beat me so bad he looked for every shortcut and made sure to win sooner or later. It happened and I was actually happy for him.

The above paragraph is a factual account and an example of teaching a man to fish. He earned his title, and now with the next title he seeks, I’m more than certain he’s going to apply himself to finding every trick he can to secure his goal.

In the event it works, the end result definitely justifies my means. In the event they get upset and quit and view me as one of the world’s biggest pricks, ohh well. Like I care what a bunch of internet people think about me or my strange way of teaching people to push themselves on a game.

Coldin.2840:

VinylScratch.3461:

I tend to get first in most of my races and I don’t think I’ve ever given away the lead intentionally to give someone a title. I’ve been called a myriad of filthy names, someone went as far as to call me a fat lipped baboon (lol?) because I had won four consecutive times against him. Each where I was ticking at the end and it would be 10-20 seconds before he showed up. The fact I beat him by that margin is enough for me to decide he doesn’t deserve the title if he’s shooting for the title while I’m in the game.

The issue is that the GW2 community IS helpful, but at the same time it’s also starting to get some of the WoW players it seems who believe everyone should take turns so everybody gets what they want.

I personally like the fact I earned mine through a few failures, it keeps me thinking like Farzo linked, failure leads to success. It’s just some people are better at handling failure and the perception of it. And it made me better at the racing course because of it, in order to get first I had to learn a few tricks, like listening for the oncoming lightning strikes and using a guard.

People need to grow up and realize they should have to earn things, especially on a game where you have unlimited resources at your disposal, like google and youtube. And you can’t say generation crap because I’m 19 and I’ve figured this life fact already and have known it since I was 12 and progressing through AQ40 on WoW with a guild that knew my age and kept me around because they knew I was willing to fail with them until we reached that point of success.

Didn’t deserve the title, because you were in the race. So…he would deserve the title if you weren’t in that race. Kind of a strange bit of logic, isn’t it?

It is a bit funny seeing someone with a Brony name saying that he won’t give someone a win. So much for friendship and magic.

“Didn’t deserve the title because you were in the race.”

My answer to this is yes. I feel the title should be given to the best racer out of the group of racers in their own individual instance/server. If I was able to consistently beat him like that, he wasn’t the best racer therefore undeserving of the title. Simple as that.

And granted I enjoy the show, I kind of reject the term “brony” for a myriad of reasons. Feel free to PM me if you want the reasoning for whatever reason. And I’m all for helping people out legitimately do not get me wrong. But it’s higher on my moral priorities to make sure I never give a handout. Give a man a fish logic.

PolarisNova.3867:

It’s not surprising to me that some people would be rude in that way, there seems to be a growing sense of entitlement within the ‘community’ in this game, that everyone should be able to win everything.

I don’t think anyone has the excuse to behave like that.

I don’t think it’s entitlement, I think it’s more of the fact everyone decided a few years ago they wanted to be a gamer, or play games for whatever reason. The massive influx of inexperienced “gamers” who didn’t ever want to put dedication towards earning something citing reasons like “I have a life.” or other things. We later come to know these as a form of “casual.”

Unfortunately, that branch became the general view of “casual gamers” which are actually very abundant in numbers, so some games shifted to be more casual friendly where people could earn things without the slightest effort, World of Warcraft anyone?

Unfortunately that very mindset is just taking over. Pretty soon we’ll start to see our old Mario games be corrupted and when you load up, every level is just unlocked from the start so you can beat Bowser without ever having to deal with his henchmen.

I tend to get first in most of my races and I don’t think I’ve ever given away the lead intentionally to give someone a title. I’ve been called a myriad of filthy names, someone went as far as to call me a fat lipped baboon (lol?) because I had won four consecutive times against him. Each where I was ticking at the end and it would be 10-20 seconds before he showed up. The fact I beat him by that margin is enough for me to decide he doesn’t deserve the title if he’s shooting for the title while I’m in the game.

The issue is that the GW2 community IS helpful, but at the same time it’s also starting to get some of the WoW players it seems who believe everyone should take turns so everybody gets what they want.

I personally like the fact I earned mine through a few failures, it keeps me thinking like Farzo linked, failure leads to success. It’s just some people are better at handling failure and the perception of it. And it made me better at the racing course because of it, in order to get first I had to learn a few tricks, like listening for the oncoming lightning strikes and using a guard.

People need to grow up and realize they should have to earn things, especially on a game where you have unlimited resources at your disposal, like google and youtube. And you can’t say generation crap because I’m 19 and I’ve figured this life fact already and have known it since I was 12 and progressing through AQ40 on WoW with a guild that knew my age and kept me around because they knew I was willing to fail with them until we reached that point of success.

Dagraan, if your speed at clearing the course is slow enough to enable you having to wait two minutes for a race to start again, I feel really bad for you. I’m usually stuck waiting four or so, generally I cross the line and get my place which is 1-3 usually, then open up a new chrome tab and do some reading or internet browsing, while making sure I move every 30 seconds to avoid inactivity timer and to glance at the time I have left.

Exactly. I played three games and figured out the game and now place anywhere from first to third in 7+ player races. The mini game isn’t hard at all sadly no reason people can’t earn it. This isn’t World of Warcraft. Earn your stuff by trying instead of having it given.

Hate to be -that guy- and break the chain but I feel that it’s stupid to let someone just have something given to them, maybe I’m old fashioned but I feel if you yourself do not earn the achievement without having someone basically spoon feed it to you, you don’t deserve it. If they wanted everyone to have it then they’d award the achievement after finishing the race.

RedStar.4218:

I don’t see why they should take away anything (except maybe the top player achievement, but even then…) : you are still doing the race, and making it to the end. The only thing your friends can do to help you is nothing.

Wanderer.3248:

Because you could all just take turns “winning”, rendering two of the achievements meaningless?

Aside from the luck with boosters and luck with lag, you can get on a map, all alone. And some players who are nice enough and got their achievement will let someone else get to first place.

If they removed the ability for you to gain anything out of it then sure. However I firmly believe that in order to acquire the title, or anything from the race past fun, aka loot and achievement credit, you should have to play against other people.

I started this activity a few hours ago, miserably failed my first three games then figured out the stuff and get anywhere from first place to third on average. None of them using shortcuts myself, a few of my third places were 2nd places but someone decides to abuse the end wall and win. I’ve now just resorted to reporting them if I see them wall jumping and calling them out in map chat. Probably not the most subtle, or ethical of ways, but this is a problem that needs to be dealt with.

The problem with a lot of people is they feel they should just be able to have the achievements without actual competition or having to get better to acquire something of desire. I.E World of Warcraft post 3.0.

People like that are the exact reason that despite having my achievement, I continue to steal first place in races. I feel if they want the title, they should either play through various lobbies to finding a race they can get first in, or get better to earn their title like I did. I have no sympathy for cheaters, or people that take the easy way.