Guild Wars 2

So there’s a PvP Guild Mission which requires the accumulation of 8000 ranked points. The Guild must complete it within 30 minutes. This means that with one full PvP team, minimally, it requires two matches to complete (i.e. 1 win and 1 loss, garnering 7500 + 2500 points). The problem is that while a PvP match should usually last no more than 15 minutes, and thus it should be entirely possible to complete two PvP matches within 30 minutes, the 30 minutes timer tick on even during queue. Thus, a queue time of 5 minutes, which was experienced, basically failed us on the mission because we cannot do more than 1 match.

I pray that this is not by design. The PvP Guild Mission stated that 3 players are required and 5 are recommended. Neither 3 nor 5 can actually complete it, because either way, they run out of time.

Please fix this. Queue timer should not be counted within, or the time granted for the guild mission to be completed should be extended way beyond 30 minutes so that at least more than one PvP match can be played. Otherwise, it is mathematically impossible to hit 8000 points unless there’s more than 1 team in the Guild playing at the same time, which would go against the Guild Mission’s own ‘recommended’ and ‘required’ numbers (of 5 and 3 respectively).

Matt Stacey.7415:

DaVid Darksoul.4985:

Quwestion: When you say 33 thousand damage per second do you actually mean 3300 damage per second? 33k sounds a bit far fetched at the least.

Pathetic DPS testers put all buffs on themselves and then whack the DPS golem for a few hours. The sad part is they use these numbers to determine how viable builds are, even though by doing this it kittens up the entire perspective. By doing this it takes boon generation out of the equation completely, and assumes 100% ideal situations

‘Pathetic’. Stay classy.

This is how you test the DPS for all builds. You test them all assuming a perfect scenario and see what the DPS is like; then you adjust it downwards because a perfect scenario is likely impossible. However, by testing it out this way, be the build an Elementalist build, or a Necromancer build, or whatever, you find out what the DPS is in a perfect scenario and can compare accordingly.

Here is an example of how the DPS benchmark is tested:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/4ft01q/qt_dps_benchmarkstests_for_all_classes/
Look at all the videos. All the classes and all their builds are tested twice; once with buffs, and once without, then compared accordingly.

CastIron.7364:

TL;DW: The dps is similar on a 1.000.000 HP Golem. If the target has more health/toughness condi has more time to ramp up and get significantly higher dps than power. Queue attached image of 51k condi dps.

Here’s a build registering 27k DPS. It uses the newly implemented DPS meter, if I am not mistaken.

I can’t seem to find this attached image of 51k Condi DPS – Brazil’s own seems to plateau at 25k, though my understanding is that can increase further?

If I may, though: My main assertion really is that Power Necros are as viable if not more viable than Condi Necros. Is that really disproved here? Because a very real problem at the moment is that raid groups are demanding meta-builds, and many a Power Necro find themselves disenfranchised from raiding because their build ’isn’t in the meta’, even though I am still finding objective and meaningful reasons why. The most common reason offered is that Power Necros do not offer competitive DPS in comparison with Condi Necros, but that’s patently disproved – Power Necros can deal equal to or higher DPS, though Condi Necros may deal more DPS in certain specific situations (perhaps as Wintermute pointed out).

I would also point to this thread here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/Make-power-necro-viable/first#post6110987

Where the OP asserted – without evidence beyond his own credentials – that Power Necros are not viable.

Anchoku.8142:

Not exactly a real-world situation; power Reaper is middle tier for power builds. Condition damage builds are bottom of the top tier, though I am open to criticism.

Where Necro shines is being able to suck up damage and still be viable in either role.

Necromancer should get more benefits for being what it is – last one downed, an emergency tank, and missing the spike heals…

OP: “Here’s a video evidence showing that Power Necro deals more damage than Condi Necro.”

First Reply: “Oh yeah, Condi Necro deals more damage than Power Necro. I have no evidence.”

I don’t get it. I really don’t. People keep saying that Condi Necro deals more damage than Power Necro, but all the evidences show otherwise. Why? Here’s a “real-world situation”:

EDIT: Not me, but here’s the Original Thread where that video was posted: https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/44o33x/zerker_necro_viable_30k_dps_sabetha_video/

Also, whenever such videos are posted, the top criticism is always: “Nay, that’s inaccurate, the real DPS is actually lower.” Is there a reason why the DPS meter is suddenly accurate for Condi Necros or other classes but not for Power Necro? Are we just so inclined to believe in the meta that we can’t change our beliefs even when the evidence proves otherwise?

May I refer you to:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/44o33x/zerker_necro_viable_30k_dps_sabetha_video/

With attached video:

And another who claims to be doing 27k DPS as a Greatsword Reaper Necromancer:

I am personally new to the game, so I don’t have much credentials to speak off. With my main as a Necromancer, I am currently trying to figure out myself whether to play a Viper-Condi Necro or a Power Necro. So far, I have seen videos with damage output that demonstrate both as being viable, with some advocating for the former and some advocating for the latter.

You made the assertion that the Power Necro is not viable for raid. To do so, you relied on this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/4ft01q/qt_dps_benchmarkstests_for_all_classes/

If you check the source, the video for the Condi Necro is here:

NOTE: For those who don’t want to check the videos themselves, they basically show the DPS rotation by a Power Necro Build managing to hit massive amount of DPS, once in a raid setting (i.e. against Sabetha) and once against a dummy robot. The average DPS shown seems to be around 27k to 30k, which is extremely, extremely competitive.

It seems like the Power Necro actually deals significantly more damage. Is there something wrong with the Power Necro videos? Are they lying or doing something wrongly/differently? Because I have spoken with veterans who play Necromancers as their mains for years, and a few have mentioned that a Power Necro is actually capable of more DPS and survivability than a Condi Necro.

It would be great if you could shed light on this, since I myself am trying to figure out between the two and constantly oscillating between preferring Condi or Power.