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Y is PvP so bad so long?

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Only pvp people think that though. PvE people actually think they aren’t getting enough attention and the devs are balancing skills based on tpvp, which they don’t want. So really, the root of the problem actually lie in the player base.

PvE people think the devs are focusing on spvp – which is a terrible decision – and Spvp people thinks the Dev are focusing too much on PvE – which is also a terrible decision. So it doesn’t matter what dev decide, when they make content for one area the other will complain.

When you separate spvp from pve what you get is two different kind of people both asking for different things, and it certainly didn’t help that the two aspect of the game (tpvp and pve) are using the ESSENTIALLY the same skill. (some are different, but not all.) So everytime a balance patch comes about people think the devs are catering one another and start qqing.

True, but I was talking solely about their pvp decisions. Take Skyhammer for example – horrible map that forces you to play either a different class or to completely redo your build to play well. They realize it’s not balanced and still needs a LOT of work, so they take it out of tpvp but not solo q? What kind of logic goes into a decision like that, and how does an asinine decision like that get the approval from the other devs? It’s not good enough for tpvp, but hey let’s force it on solo q. It’s an even bigger gripe for me because people typically would rather solo q now instead of tpvp because it takes a year and a day to get 5 people and make a full group. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I think I preferred the old q system.

Y is PvP so bad so long?

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They’ve just made bad business decisions. They focus on the wrong thing at the wrong time, and when you repeat that for a year, you lose your playerbase. It’s entirely subjective to say what the wrong vs right thing is for them to focus on, but based on the results we have 1+ year out, it’s pretty clear they’ve made the wrong ones.

I would’ve liked for them to fix balance and the deplorable lack of build variety before even entertaining the idea of e-sports. Having people watch all of the glaring mistakes made in pvp development en masse (or as en masse as you could get given how low the population is) is just a horrible idea. They thought that would have a positive effect? Really?

Start making play styles

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I don’t know any professions that only have one viable build. Maybe they only have one viable build if you’re building for ONLY efficiency, which I think is the OP’s point.

I’m sure none of the builds I use regularly, you’d consider viable…but I still beat dungeons and fractals with them on a regular basis. I’m sure it takes me longer to run a dungeon than it takes you. I just don’t care.

Considering you can beat dungeons and fractals with characters below lvl 80, I don’t think that’s a viable benchmark. I pvp a lot, so I’ve heard all the false hype and promises in the world from certain devs that are incapable of following through. PVE is designed to be casual and relatively easy so that anyone can pick it up and complete the content. It’s unfortunate that a majority of the game’s content drives players towards zerker gear. As far as being able to pvp on the same build you can faceroll pve content with, you’ll find your options drop drastically, moreso for certain classes. Even though hardly anyone plays it, pvp IS one of the 3 realms of gw2 gameplay. The fact that they haven’t been able to allow for more than 1-2 builds for the vast majority of classes is a disgrace.

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Don’t expect ‘anything’ from him or the false promises they’ve been repeating for over a year now. Balance has been an unchecked failure since launch, and many classes still only have ONE viable build.

Is Skyhammer farming actually an offense?

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Forget the farming in hotjoin, having the map in solo q is the real offense. They’re well aware of the farming, so if they haven’t said or done anything about it, and then decide to toss out bans (alla snowflake catastrophe) they’d lose too much from the already dwindling pvp population.

Comfirmed- Nothing being done re: conditions

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*There’s a cap on condition stacks of 25…..Is anything being done to address that to make them less redundant?

—>Colin: Currently no. …

*One of the things people have been talking about is having their own individual stack limit that they can apply, rather than an infinite amount on one boss.

—>Colin: Yes, it’s tough. It’s certainly something we can look at, it does drastically change the way that the professions play, right? It does say “you can no longer stack all of one type of condition”. It might change the skills on each profession if we were to do that. It would encourage a little more group play to some extent. It’s not something we’re really talking about, but it’s an interesting idea. I’d have to think a lot about what the effects of that would be overall, but it’s an interesting… interesting idea.

Is anyone else alarmed that 6 months after launch they haven’t even considered addressing the obvious flaws with conditions? It boggles the mind to think of what they prioritize over severely flawed basic game mechanics. But hey, I’m so glad we got that wintersday event. Those ugly sweaters made it ALL worth it.

I know the devs are busy folks, and it’s obvious they’re still playing catch-up fixing bugs and broken content, but how does this go 6 months without even serious consideration, much less actions to resolve it? Can it really be incompetence? Or are we just not getting the whole story? You would think at least ONE of them would be in touch with the current state of the game.

Silence regarding feedback?

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Maybe you need to adjust your expectations? It takes time to collect the data, and you need large amounts of it. Ever heard of small sample size? Terrible to make conclusions on it.

I think my point is being confused. While I personally think there’s a problem with the current loot and reward system, my ‘expectations’ are that when you have dozens of new threads on the same issue, it shouldn’t take 2 months to get out a response. A simple, ‘thanks for giving us what we asked for, we’re reviewing your feedback’ would go such a long way in calming the flaming masses – if they did so jeez… maybe once every 2 weeks? That kind of post takes 2 seconds to write, isn’t even substantial, there’s no real info in it, but it’s just good public relations. Gamers are incredibly fickle, that’s no secret. When it takes months to get any response at all… well we can see how that’s worked out.

We don’t have to talk about loot/rewards, I just picked the 2 topics mentioned in the OP because those are the most prolific on the forums.

Take all the threads on passionflowers if you’d like. People have been constantly complaining about the rarity and price and how many it requires to make a set of gear that requires them. No response. Nadda.

Silence regarding feedback?

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Actually Colin posted in that thread with an update. It’s not Arenanet’s fault that you fail to do your due diligence and read his response.

You’re right, there was one response, 10 days ago. I started only periodically checking that thread because it went ignored for so long. Nevertheless, the point is, it took 2 months to get that ‘one’ response, and all the response says is “we’ve found nothing wrong. It’s in your heads, x-files level of conspiracy. We’ll look into it…” They flat out said in patch notes that vets and champs will be guaranteed to drop loot, and they clearly don’t. Is that x-files conspiracy too?

I’m glad I waited 2 months for that, I feel so informed and relieved. All the frustrated players still making new threads on loot and DR and rewards can now be ignored. It’s obviously not an ongoing problem or anything.

Silence regarding feedback?

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We’re all obviously quite fond of gw2, otherwise we wouldn’t be playing and we wouldn’t be taking the time to contribute to the forums. So let’s start off on that positive note.

As much as I love the game though, I have serious concerns with how Anet has handled player feedback, and their communication. When it comes to certain important issues with the game, they simply will not respond under any circumstances. When it comes to trivial issues, you’ll see them posting a few hours after a thread goes up. I can overlook them not responding if they were indeed making progress on addressing the issues, and just trying to avoid the flaming/bad PR that comes from controversial topics on the forums – but for a wide berth of issues there hasn’t been any progress made, nor have we gotten any response.

I’d post the laundry list of threads that have cluttered the forums (all on pretty much the same topics) because we can never get an official response to the problem (that’s meaningful, if we get one at all), so it just keeps getting brought up again and again.

i.e. DR and loot rates. Anet started their own thread almost 2 months ago, it’s grown to 30 pages long, with real data in there that they requested, and they haven’t said a word. Not even a thank you for asking players to do a job they themselves should be doing. If you look at the past threads over the last few months, people just keep creating new ones on DR and loot issues and they just get ignored. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Share-your-data-about-perceived-strange-drop-behavior-here
- as a sidebar, how long ago was it that they said vets and champs would be guaranteed to drop loot? Still no answers…

i.e. The economy and pre-cursors. How many times do we have to see new threads pop up about these problems before something is said on forums, or put into a patch. It’s absurd. I’ve already made my twilight, but I care because when this many people are that frustrated, they leave the game. Instead of trying to lessen the frustration and open up communication on the issue, Anet remains silent. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out what happens when someone has been frustrated for months and the only people that can provide answers are no where to be found. They’ll just leave.

While the laundry list can go on and on, I’ll leave it at those two (most frequent) issues so this doesn’t become an even larger wall of text.

No one is asking for Anet to respond to every thread all day every day. But I can’t be the only one worried about the state of management when they don’t respond to their own thread after 45k views and 30 pages of posts (which would probably be even larger had it not been stickied up at the top where no one looks imo).

Threads need to ‘promote constructive discussion’ on these forums or they get deleted. Hopefully this doesn’t get deleted, and hopefully Anet will take a good hard look at their communication over the past few months. Maybe we’ll have better luck asking them about their communication instead of asking about the same specific in-game issues over and over again.

Economy Statistics

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I’ve seen griefers less obvious than you John.

Well, then in line with forum rules and all that, how about a moderator with a maturity beyond that of a 5th grader close this thread. The original post will never get answered it seems, so this thread is destined to just spiral into endless off topic talk.

Economy Statistics

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Also, just wanted to say thank you John. For a while you’ve been talking in a few threads without really answering any questions, which I can understand would be frustrating for players. They see someone from Anet coming into their thread and not answering their question when as far as they are concerned, you could easily answer their question.

I’m glad to see that you’re active in the community though, and I’m sorry that people (me included) can give you a hard time.

You’re thanking him… for repeatedly not answering people’s questions??? And for doing what exactly? Taking conversations/threads off topic and ignoring people outright? The same thing that we get infractions for (all the the time) on these forums?

We’re not frustrated that he isn’t answering the questions, we understand perfectly well that he has absolutely no need to. We’re frustrated because he doesn’t even respond at all, even though he’s already posted over 10 times in here. The entire point of this thread was a request for data, and instead of a polite “sorry, can’t/won’t provide that”, he just ignores it completely and brings up unrelated topics. It’s the equivalent of a politician consistently saying “no comment” … but without putting in the effort of saying the actual words.

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Economy Statistics

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I post because I enjoy interacting with the community.

Anet is apparently working on improving its ‘communication’ with the community, and yet you continue to demonstrate that with some of its employees, getting even the most basic of answers to straight-forward questions is like herding cats (and in the case of certain threads … cats that like to hide).

Many (sometimes heavy-handed) moderators close threads/delete posts/toss around infractions when discussion is off topic. We have to follow the forum rules, and I would expect someone posting under an Anet tag would at least make an effort to do the same. But please, proceed with more discussion on EVE’s economy, bans, and snowflakes.

This topic is a request for economic data – from you specifically, and after 10+ postings, you still have yet to address the point of the thread, in ANY form of a response. In case you haven’t noticed, the economy has been a bit of a sore topic for a multitude of people of late, but given the fact that you’re GW2’s resident economist, it’s understandable that it may have slipped your attention.

No one is upset that you won’t provide the requested data; it was after all, just a request. People are upset because with each additional post, you flat out ignore them – for reasons that are beyond me. It’s belittling. Instead of a polite “no”, or even an “I’m not sure if I can, I’ll get back to you” which would take all of two seconds to post, and do wonders for improving ‘communication’ on Anet’s part, you choose to continue with off topic posts in what almost seems like an attempt on your part to purposely aggravate people.

This thread is clearly going to be yet another unanswered waste of time. Congratulations on bolstering the increasingly accurate stereotype of Anet’s lack of basic communication skills. I guess we can chalk this up as one more thread (I’d provide the laundry list, but this is already a wall of text) in which Anet’s profound silence on particular issues speaks volumes.

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I’m really quite confused here. The thread made a very specific request, and yet the actual topic has been avoided. When I see an ArenaNet symbol next to a thread, I usually assume it means they’ve taken the time to provide constructive feedback and answer questions.

Other people have even reiterated the question to John in this very thread after he responded in here. If I sound frustrated, it’s because I am, and it’s a problem that in my opinion is becoming rampant the forums. Why bother posting at all if you aren’t going to address the issue raised in the thread? It drives me up a wall when ArenaNet takes the time to post on a thread that they’ve obviously been reading, and then have unrelated sidebar conversations while completely avoiding the point of the particular thread.

So, I’ll repeat the request again, is this data something you can provide to us again?

A simple, “I can’t provide that for you at this time”, or “it’s something I will work on getting out” is all that’s needed. Even a flat out “No.” will suffice. I feel like it’s a game sometimes (of pulling teeth) to actually get an ArenaNet response on these forums that’s relevant to the purpose of the thread. No one expects you to reply to every thread and post, but if you’re going to take the time to post in one, please at the very least address the heart of the thread, instead of just ignoring it.

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