Guild Wars 2

Thorvald.5432:

I agree with you, West got advantage on East with the current system and do not think anything can be done about that. I feel sorry for Russian players as they are the one who struggle the most because of this.

Well the good thing is Russians are lumped together with UK, PT, IRL, … players (since they don’t have [RU] servers) so they can balance out each other on average in their own servers. Their morning capping also becomes more devilish (while it’s night capping for the west, no complaint here). I was mostly talking about FR/DE/SP (pick any, all are on the same TZ) vs EU server matchup as an example. All those are on 1 TZ while EU is on 4-5, but it hasn’t been proved to be a -major- problem for the one TZ side since it is contained between all the other ones. Basically it’ll be a bit harder at some hours (mostly before 17h) but that’s sustainable since there’ll eventually be a sizeable %age of the server population ready. Even if you can’t push that’s enough to do some things and keep some stuff.

Psycho.2316:

I’ve played on EU server since the game Launched my guild is EU … if they do this they would anger so many of there players.. just becuz people r complaining about WvW …

Hahaha so not going to happen.. like they said before there OK with Night Capping

And this isn’t about nightcapping. It’s about timezones. And at first the game was zone locked, and they had thought of a guesting system (instead of transfer) which wouldn’t have allowed to play WvW, just the usual sPvP and all the PvE content (that’s the system they announced). They relaxed the zone lock for people to pick the server they want to play on, and then one would guess that this guesting system would’ve been put to work, so you wouldn’t have had a problem to pick an EU server, you just wouldn’t have been able to go back to WvW in NA again (except maybe after a payment for a true transfer ? I dunno).

This free in-between TZ transfer clearly wasn’t intended as it is now used, for massive guild transfers to cover off-peaks hours.

Yaro.3251:

eiennnoai.9870:

Also, Europe spans on 4 TZ and there wasn’t any major problem before that, sure Russian (most being GMT+3 since “European russia” accounts for 80% of their population)

It’s GMT+4 since 2011 when Russia Abolished Winter Time

Alright thanks mate, didn’t check on that one.

Ualtar.5047:

What about countries with multiple timezones? There is 3 hours difference between the USA East (EST) and West (PST) coasts. Then we also have Alaska and Hawaii to really screw things up.

Just taking EST and PST. A server that has strong EST guilds takes most of a map over during their prime time. Then they start to go to bed around 11pm to Midnight. At that time another server with strong PST guilds comes on and takes back everything that the EST dominate server had taken.

It is impossible to balance out the time zones.

How many alaskans and hawaian (is that how they’re called ?) play on 20+ servers ? I think the impact of such (comparatively small) communities don’t change anything. French have people from Réunion, Nouvelle Calédonie, a loot of other islands, some being bigger than others… and it doesn’t mess anything much. Actually I think they’re mainly present on servers which aren’t in top tiers. Also, Europe spans on 4 TZ and there wasn’t any major problem before that, sure Russian (most being GMT+3 since “European russia” accounts for 80% of their population) have a tiny advantage against GMT+1 players (SP/DE/FR) but they aren’t much of a problem since being 2h earlier can easily be compensated, there’ll still be some 2-4h of shared primetime. And this hasn’t been the problem when matched up against Russian, rather how tough and stubborn they can get.

Alright, I have a new suggestion which would solve this legitimate problem.
Let’s create a system to change this in a game of chess. We could, on this thread have a random turn order (DS -> VS -> AS) repreated for infinity. Before attacking, any faction would say “sending zerg on AS BL, fort ….” or “sending golems + mesmers on…”. They’d do their action, and then it’d become the turn of the next faction, and the process would repeat itself on and on.
We could also put a time limit between turns, hmm let’s say 30 mins max ? If said action didn’t take place it becomes the turn of the next faction.

Is this alright with everyone ? Come and play.

PS : you seemed lonely Reese, I’ll help you out.

jaxom.7469:

Come on guys, Archaos is just an obvious troll, don’t play with him.

Trolls that you see on EVERY kitten thread of this forum, how french are just cowards anyway (not even match battle, plain unrelated ones too ??). Only ganging up and stuff and that’s why they’re T1 (it’s been 2 weeks only that AS has been on T1, just as a reminder, but since RUINs are all a bunch of new guys they couldn’t know that), and whatever else. They’re actually succeeding in making people believing them (because VS and AS are french, so it’s a valid enough argument to point that it’s true), and that’s the scary part.

Zumazen.6742:

Good to see BT doing well, lot of respect for your server over here, we know it will be just a matter of time before we met up again in T1 with you, though the french have are doing their combined best to stop it.

Sure sure, spread your bullkitten to all other threads, it’ll become more legitimate. 2vs1 ? Give me proof that there have not been a fight between AS and VS, or that they purposely ignore themselves (not while your position is totally weakened and both bash different doors to come at you, which happens all the time. The fact that they did that, PLUS never killed each other once you were done in).

I have got an awesome idea from the previous posts. All of Europe should move to Desolation (or BT ?) ! Everyone will perpetually win. This is what have already been started, just a bit more untill everyone gets there and can share the #1 rank together. Fun US guilds are welcome too !

Because you see advertisments in the streets and all ? Really ? For a game you advertise online where country’s rules have no power. So the rules never gave more power to the FR or DE communities, it’s only because FR and DE are large communities (66M for france add to this part of belgium, swiss, lux, … and 82M+ for deutch speaking land — germany + some neighbours). Both communities have a lot of players, and a lot of big guilds.

Knasher.5607:

eiennnoai.9870:

We’ll see how it’ll be starting sunday night/monday morning but I’m pretty sure Deso will be able to tick @600+ this time.

Well the week hasn’t even started yet and Vizunah (assuming that’s where you play) are just about to get a well fought victory, and you are calling the match over already…

I don’t play on VS. I’m on a plain EU (EN) server. But I follow how things are going. And everyone seems to be tired from staying up late or waking too early as one of your EU players doing the same thing from DS mentionned (here or in another thread). Add to that the fact that some universities’ holidays will be over… I don’t think they’ll be able to mobilize enough players this time. Numbers should start to falter slowly but surely. At least, odds are going even more against them.
And btw DS already did tick @600+ at night this week for several days, but VS started going harder again the last few days. So it was already becoming hard to keep the rhythm up.

Well we’ll see. But it should be very different from this week.

@Knasher
I don’t think things will last actually. Maybe AS will wake up since they did almost nothing this week, but VS’s core teams of 30-40 players which tried to play at night this week seem to be extremely tired. I think most will have to go back to univ’ and work again too. We’ll see how it’ll be starting sunday night/monday morning but I’m pretty sure Deso will be able to tick @600+ again for most part of the night this time.

MagnusLL.8473:

eiennnoai.9870:

I don’t know, you could try to put 3W advertisment in PvE maps chat, creating a special operation or whatever maybe ? Which is what VS has been doing. There’s no need for more players, just a better %age of people doing 3W in such cases…

OR, we might try to get more people who are actually interested in WvW in the first place, preferably playing in our deserted timezones so that we get better coverage while not getting long queues.
Except if we do we’re the bad guys? Brilliant logic there :/

Thing is people don’t get interested in 3W magically. I already said it but I’m on a EU server lacking a nightforce and morningforce (well odd hours) and I often find people farming @ 5h30 am (even were able to gain control arah at this hour after the reset, we were like 15-20 for that). Talking to some of them makes you realize most could never try 3W yet though they don’t have any repulsive feelings toward that, and I’m pretty sure with explanations, a nice push on the back and with interesting structures to don’t get lost when they’re here they’d jump on it. And those are all EU players yeah. Servers don’t need transfers to fight anything :/.

MagnusLL.8473:

You do of course realize that overall server population has no strict correlation with WvW server population, don’t you?

Just today I posted several screenshots proving Desolation had the outmanned debuff on at least 2 out of 4 maps (and at 10:30 it was actually happening on all 3 borderlands) for at least a 3 hour period this morning. Where is actual hard proof that Vizunah is being outnumbered? I haven’t seen any so far, just preemptive whining.

I don’t know, you could try to put 3W advertisment in PvE maps chat, creating a special operation or whatever maybe ? Which is what VS has been doing. There’s no need for more players, just a better %age of people doing 3W in such cases…

Anyway gratz to VS which were able to build a gap thanks to operation 300. I would guess it won’t be the same next week but at least they put up a nice fight even ruining their health for it… Just so that US players can have fun too at night. I hope that this will result in better organization and mobilization from Deso players rather than even more transfers. And if you win next week from that then gratz to you in advance.

KiNgPiN.2075:

Another amazing coincidence. Deso was trying to take keep, and suddenly VS show up to help his slave AR.))

http://i.imgur.com/SfG2s.jpg

And its ridiculous when u say its not 2 vs 1

Errr, did you check that one of them didn’t get wiped after that ? Never got in a 3 way fight ?

Duress.8065:

Was today a French bank holiday? Outmanned buff fairly often today during the day. Anyways good fighting all week, had a lot of fun at garrison in arbor today. Keep up the fight teams, it’s taking me back to my DAoC days.

A big last mobilization call by VS, wanna take some spare room before reset.

Yups sorry read wrongly the last sentence, my bad. Well then sorry for quoting you, but the answer is the same for the above posters.

romsea.8539:

Don’t bother guys, they have their excuse made right from the start, don’t take that away from them so they can still laugh and brag while losing :p

Edit: sorry for the non RP aspect of my post, keep up the good work VS, don’t give up, only one night to go

You’re the one which seems to be making excuse with that and wanting to congratulate yourself for being fixated by such a ridiculously OP opponent, since it is a known fact and can be seen in every french forum that this alliance has never been a long one, and PA players don’t mix at all with VS ones (it always ends up in fights). That can be seen on the french forum here, but also JoL (I’m a nice person so here’s the link) and a lot of other community forums…

So nice of you to be accusing others of fictive things when they’re just playing the game of 1vs1vs1. Look at your map sometimes you’ll see more than once VS engaging Deso and PA inc-ing VS from behind, VS players hunting PA and tagging their positions, …

Anyway good luck to VS for tonight’s fight.

Not really, just saying that for over a month servers were actually 95%+ european players (or similar), why the need to change it suddenly in such a way ? Usual EU players can get many advantages of such a ladder though, although none really stayed T1 I do believe some could’ve done it with a bit more organization esp. BT, FSP, DS. I’m also pretty sure a sizeable % of the american population would actually enjoy having their own ladder seeing many comments around here. But that’s just me.

And if that is the case, we can also say that an incredibly small part wants to impose their enlightenment from NA’s situation to EU. This would never end this way.

That is true, the point of language based servers is a bigger cohesion generally since everyone plays together basically (speaking the same language at the same level, everyone is on the same ground). There are advantages to both sides, it’s different gameplays, and that’s part of the reason of this whole discussion.

defrule.7236:

Ran a location check on the server IP when I was in all three borderlands and Eternal. In all cases the location points to Austin, Texas.

Looks like we might be playing on US server that are simply labelled as EU.

Well it’s true it is a “problem” too if that is the case. But it is also true that it is quite a common occurence by companies which can’t spread out server locations because their company aren’t wide enough. I think more than “where the servers are located” the tags are meant to distinguish the supposed population of those servers, which would have even more sense in this case since obviously they’re indeed located in USA.

I don’t know if this is meant to be temporary, but it might actually make sense when one see that all of the GW2 system feels kind of “global” with servers sharing their data together etc. Maybe there’s just one big pool of servers all realms use, or maybe there’s one server coordinating all others in which case using internet network/infrastructure could become a bottleneck for the system. I’m no GW2 dev but the reason might come such aspects. (since it’s known that NCSoft could’ve put those servers in germany)

This has been going on for a long time, this thread is to express a lot of player’s discontentment with nowaday’s ladders, because yes some people think that there are counters other than internationalization and max number on all maps at every time to make WvWvW a fun place, while some others support this solution but supported officialy by A-net. So yeah, it isn’t supposed to be a match thread.

As an example, as I previously said, I’m playing on a EU server lacking a night force. The thing is I play at night myself, and often find 15-30 people at different hours of the night on just one map (Orr) farming. I think a counter and a fix to the “deal with it” would’ve been to try to successfuly mobilize those persons even if just an hour, I don’t know. VS isn’t overpopulated (we need A-net’s numbers on this issue, I don’t think there’s different server population caps), this server has a huge percent of its population willing to fight and imply themselves in their server’s lives. And also, the nightforce aren’t just a bunch of insomniacs. Some people just have different timetable (different working hours or idk) which makes it so that most of their free time is at night.

/quadruplefacepalm. Yes I even use my feet once in a while.

Please what is this I don’t even ?

A french server with the biggest night force ?? Desolation often has 130 players against barely 50 VS the best nights, and PA is often nowhere to be found. I believe the only night where VS actually put up a fight at night is saturday night because of week end, holidays starting and many various reasons (and this night deso couldn’t take anything indeed). But the rest VS has ALWAYS been greatly outnumbered, which is even worst from PA’s POV.

Also, at many points there were 2 french servers against another one in T1, T2 and T3 (just for those brackets which are seen as more competitive, but it’s true for any other one) and absolutely at no moment there was any kind of “holy alliance” to get the enemy out, you should ask Elona players which have been against french servers for a long time if they’ve been tag teamed.

Finally you should know that French servers fight more against each others than together when they have the ability to do so. At many points in today’s war PA and VS were more concentrated against each other rather than on their “enemy”, this alliance worked only for several hours before being breached and that was only for some top guilds, the biggest part of players not caring about this (or just not being informed).

Please stop with all this ridiculous misinformation.

As for finding a night force, how can you even compare “if you have a domestic night force” vs “go find one to switch here”. This is ridiculous. Nightforce is something you BUILD from your own server’s players. I, for one play on a EU medium pop server which currently lacks a nightforce. The thing is, as a night player myself I find many people (at least 20-30 on one map only) often active at night but farming events or whatever else. The solution to a lack of nightforce would be to mobilize those at least for an hour or two during the night rather than beg US guilds to transfer, wouldn’t it ?

@The above thread, this is ridiculous. First AS and VS are insulted because they play 2vs1 for some hours, now they’re insulted for not doing it. You people will always find a way to prove your divine and ineluctable superiority in every aspect. How can you even go as far as to reproach FR servers to be playing the game kind of fairly ? Seriously all this FR hate is sickening me.

Please keep this thread clean and don’t bring Deso vs VS vs AS trolls. This was a good thread with constructive posts and remarks.

Well Indeed this Asian+oceanic bracket would be used mostly by asian players since I do know that Australians & others are used to play on NA servers. Although from my personal experience Koreans and Japanese prefere to play in their own communities rather than in a more international way if given the choice, so I guess that bracket would be mostly for them (if things go this way). This majorly depends from A-net though, I think having such a bracket is viable only if they want to release the game officialy in Asia some day, but if not there maybe won’t be enough people interested to create that.
Overall, since it’s the same TZ anyway I would say Oceanic can have a go at it pretty fairly in this option if there’s a will for it.

Now on topic, I would like to underline that there exists solutions other than the full international bracket, although this one is fine with me too as long as it helps solving today’s issues. I’ll develop one of them only, but I do believe there is a handful we could come up with :
That solution is to plainly create an Oceanian + Asian bracket (same timezones) and put transfer restriction for full guilds out of own’s timezone, with eventually an additional bracket (3-9 servs ?) for those who actually want international warfare. This would pretty much solve any issues, and could be done with roughly the same amount of servers that currently exists. Indeed EU’s TZ is from GMT (UK/Portugal) to GMT+3 (Russia, most of russian being in the “european” part of their country). Before the transfer frenzy EU bracket was mostly following this pattern, and I’d say that it is a viable way of doing the fights, at night there wasn’t many people on (overall less than a hundred, way less even somtimes) but from whole populations of thousands of person, all in the same timezone, with organization, willpower, research anyone can field that same kind of number as long as their population is similar in size. Sure the maps aren’t all full, but the limitation on 3W maps wasn’t created as a minimum number requirement (like some people seem to believe lately) but as as maximum one. A similar kind of auto balancing would happen on the NA and the new Oceania+Asian bracket. Finally, for all those who want 24/7 warfare the “international” bracket’s servers could be easily accessible by anyone via transfers.
The number used here are examples, the ONLY problem is to find the best way to partition 50-60 servers, while having some spare space for the eventual transfers that’d emerge (international guilds wanting to come back to their TZ since they want another kind of competition, …). But the problem is similar in all situations, since in any case major transfers are bound to happen even in the case of an only bracket (like we are seeing now on Desolation for exemple) overcrowding a server while some others become dead lands.

I’m maybe wrong, but I think some players would prefere to enjoy a more laid back and especially “personal” 3W where they have to create things and manage them rather than relying on sheer number fights and having maps 100% full all of the time. This would center 3W around the territorial warfare aspect, which indeed is interesting, but there IS more than this to 3W at least for some people. Having a full server willing for some fight, being insanely present because of successful mobilization calls, can also be part of 3W, and that would be fine.

My 2 cents.

Well I’m sorry I can’t quote…

@Knasher.5607
That would be the case if you think it is the only way to prove one’s dedication. I totally agree that the players which have been sticking with their servers since the beginning whether they lose or win are dedicated, whether they are from Desolation, AS, VS, BB, ER, AR, …….
But a server which can stay in T1 for nearly 2 month can only be dedicated too. Except if you think that T1 has been totally unfair fights and they had to do absolutely nothing for that. Which isn’t right especially seeing that last week it was really a close call with fights quite similar in size at (nearly) all hours. Even if you didn’t live it in the english forums since this was FR vs FR vs DE there was a lot of action and many agree to tell it was the best matchup thus far in EU T1 history.
How come I think it is possible to prove one’s dedication without losing ? Because nightcapping requires a lot of organization, player mobilization to stay up late and whatever, especially for VS since they have the same players since september, although there was a lot of drama against AS since they used a 30 québécois guild that same week which came sometime before, put together with an huge will to win for AS and to become #1 EU, which mobilized a lot of french players on their sides together with those QC ones (which aren’t all 30 on the field either).
But sometimes it’s not enough, the matchup was seriously tight since Elona had a decent nightcapping force, being able to close up the score with AS on many nights, while VS found itself to be outmatched more often (elona scores 20->27). They did lose in the end, but there was a lot of competition, and that required dedication from both sides and especially Elona’s people to put up with AS’s nightcapping frenzy.
What’s even more interesting, is that both AS and VS actually LOST against Elona the two weeks before that, first in T1 with ER FSP VS (link) and before that in T2 with AS ER AR (link). Yes, again 2 FR servers against a DE one this time and I don’t think they’ve been 2vs1ed (nobody complained), nor there nor last week. ER’s players had huge dedication in those matchup, the holidays helped but there still was a huge number of their players coming to fight at night. That also is dedication, considering how this messes up one’s life even if it’s holidays, it doesn’t mean your health becomes suddenly boosted, or your IRL life suddenly vacant (VS knows this very well since they’re in the same case atm).

TL;DR nightcapping requires dedicated players ready to sacrifice part of their IRL to improve their server’s ranking and points. Well, it requires dedicated players when you’re doing it in your own TZ, which is what VS has been doing, a nice part of Blacktide too, AS, even the few Deso EU players coming at night atm etc. The only difference is that VS did that for whole months straight, which indeed helped ensuring their #1 place, but that doesn’t come from nothing at all !

Epoch.5396:

Thing is its only the germans who wont have same speaking server mates in different time zones.

Spanish, French and English are spoken in different time zones everywhere. Maybe the Germans can recruit the Russians. Sure bet theres some very close links with the old GDR days.

NEW WORLD ORDER!

Are you comparing Québec to NA + rest of Canada ? Please France don’t have any big oversea territory which is why there’s barely any on french servers already. And they won’t transfer any time soon, and why forcing them to transfer ? If they’re fine where they are leave them there !
About Spain indeed they have a big population, but those population are used to playing on NA, why moving them just because some NA players felt like comming ?
Because yeah, I guess there are some mexican or argentinian in BB, but when you know spain’s way of life (especially in the south) you realize it’s totally plausible that this server is mostly comprised by spanish. People in spain go to bed incredibly late (or wake up early) and sleep during the day because of the south’s hotness, heck their dinner is at 1h am (that’s how it was when I lived there) ! That’d pretty much explain how they’re strong at the night.

Why would English dictate the rules of a game and also the way the winning side is going to ? Germany and France have huge communities and they’re the most dedicated one at that as we can see with nightcapping mobilization and other kind of tough organization no other server was able to do. They have more than a right to be able to compete about anything else, what they’ve been doing all those past week.

Why are you trying to put rules like “hey english NEED to be winning or this isn’t a game” ? That’s exactly how this story feels like. EU isn’t NA, and EU shouldn’t become NA, since it’s tagged EU anyway.

I agree with Romek, and other people in another similar thread. There are solutions which can keep the current configuration, why changing them ? Except if you want to remove OVER half of EU players because they’re big enough to resist your English conquista (all german, french and SP servers have high pop or more, and they’re 13/27 EU servers) ?

I see that many seem to fail to realize that 1vs1vs1 means three way warfare, which means people often having similar objectives not to get behind. Sorry to say but VS also got attacked a lot by BOTH deso and AS at the same time, same with AS which took the same kind of attacks, and of course deso. Stop saying there is 2vs1 there’s just 1vs1vs1 since saturday… It is pretty sad if you never saw that things work this way before :/. Idk what you’ve been doing.

AS has 30 NA players (québécois) which came after ruin did, and they’re nowhere to be found anymore maybe they left (I don’t think it was meant to last, more as a counter-troll). VS has nearly no NA players except maybe a dozen playing in different guilds, and that’s definitely not those you see at night. Québécois play on NA servers usually since it’s their own timezone and since they usually get way better ping from those.

Anyway it’s pretty obvious you’re trolling, Mortality. If you really think that then I sincerely sympathize with you. Many things must be going on, eh.

Natureswarden.5102:

Why are the servers open for transfer as a whole then? Who decided you got to decide for Ruin?.. What about a team wanting superior pvp? Give yourselves some credit as a whole the european bracket is higher in caliber. On the whole again at least Ruin are giving valid responses and some credit to you side. I haven#‘t seen one nice comment back in return? Any wonder why people wouldn’t want to go to a place like that. Reeks of broken to me sorry to pitch that out there. You guys should show some sportsmanship and accept even as 2 during the day to get the points back you can’t break Desolation. So on that basis yeah we deserve the ranking.

Of course they give positive comments, its the first time they see someone at night, how awesome that must be ! Also if the last thread where VS succeeded in overwelming them one night only you’d see the comments weren’t all positive.
Finally as already stated I’m not even from any of the sides, just disgusted to see the reality twisted as it is and seeing that players were successful in ruining the game. Give people a great game, the only thing it’ll lead to is it becoming wasted.

What. the. kitten.
VS and AS never had any alliance before that, and this one only lasted a few hours and only between the 2-5% of SOME of the big guilds’ population !! Add to that the fact that AS has been in T1 for 2 weeks only (counting this one !). Ask german players from Elona if they had an alliance against them to keep the french at the top, since they’re the only one to have faced both recently before Desolation.

As for nightcapping Elona actually had a better nightcapping force against both VS and AS, so sorry to say but there WAS a lot of competition on that side, and they actually were better than any of the two and that’s fine, they won and they deserved it.

This is getting more and more ridiculous by the hour. Know your facts.

Attila the Hun.8569:

we need more servers like desolation to make wvwvw competitive other wise there will be no chalenge to win.

I would say you were the one to have no challenge to win.

I read before someone stating that others servers should “adapt”.

Problem ? Those servers CAN’T except if most of their players become jobless. What a joke !
And btw, they always knew that they’d be able to match RUIN the week end only.

Steve.4265:

Thorvald.5432:

Until ANet says otherwise, EU brackets is supposed to be for EU players. Non-EU players have nothing to do here.

Actually i think you’ll find its the other way around. Until ANet sais that the EU bracket is just for EU players and the NA bracket is just for the NA players then anyone is free to play wherever they wish

How come ? It’s clearly stated the NA and EU in EU/NA bracket ? I would say his thinking is the right one. How do you justify that people can go anywhere when it’s specified ?

NA had problems with oceanic and asian players because of the internet map, (cf this link). You can clearly see that all of the wires are connected to the USA from asia/oceania while there’s just a tiny connection to Europe. ALL of those players go to NA servers for way better ping in every game. That’s why before RUIN came Wv3 was over 90% EU players, each having the same abilities and possibilities. While indeed NA has a more international and worldwide side to itself (with huge balancing problems, some servers being completly left out by the internationalization part) !

Which is why, I wonder if you want the same thing to the EU fights too ? 2 international servers with 25 others impossible to fight them. Because don’t start dreaming, EU has never been an international area, and won’t start being suddenly. And one thing is sure, the 7 german servers, 5 french one and the spanish one will never be international. Why would a game leave out half of its population ? When before everyone was on better equal standings (“everyone” — at least a sizeable % of the population — is able to wake up at 6am and raid for 30min before going to work or such things which many servers did to “nightcap”).

KnightFire.2597:

ladyfabulous.1403:

So what?

Vizunah was the server who first introduced pro-nightcapping into the EU bracket and used it to cruise to auto-victory for week after week. Props to you for being smart about the implications of the scoring system and setting yourself up to exploit it in the best way, but are you now really complaining that someone else took notice and reacted accordingly?

The difference here is that the only people that were doing it on our server were us, but we maybe like German are too fairplay.

Your reasoning is ridiculous and borders on bigotry. I hope ANET removes your post.

First the guy telling germany france and spain are backward countries now you telling that…

How is it bigotry ? Wake up at 5am (your time) to do WvW before going to work or change your whole hours, which they did, just to be able to fight you off at night (their time) when it’s just your usual evening for you ?

Please stop belittling people’s effort which are nowhere near what you’re qualifying this person to be.

Well, we’ve had this discussion a dozen time so I won’t go over it again in full details.

First of all, I’m not from VS.
Then, before RUIN came you could see that strategy organization and mobilization was what was making the servers advance, which I would say seems pretty fair to me (although there’s still population umbalance, and off peak hours points shouldn’t be as important as when all sides’ maps are full and crowded). VS was able to nightcap because a part of its population (usually 30-40 sometimes more depending if it’s a week end or not) which was doing huge efforts and sacrifice to keep up there in D1, more than anyone (proof is they’ve been in T1 nearly since the game is out). Any EU player can do that same thing if they have the willpower for it and organize themselves for it. Now that RUIN is here the nightforce is unmatchable except if there’s a similarly sizeable transfer. Because, yeah, it took it to be a week end before holidays and a lot of players sacrifing it (WAY more than average) to stay up all night to match RUIN in the first night (actually the second one only, the first one they did +14k).

To finish, it’s impossible to have NA pop transfer here, there is no german speaking community in NA, and there is nowhere near enough people from Quebec to compete (and yes, there’s barely any already, Quebecers like to play in NA usually since they get better ping).

If you want a fix for WvW I totally agree, but it definitely isn’t this one, EU bracket isn’t NA one and doesn’t have any oceanian or asian population already which is why 24/24 makes sense. EU servers WERE mostly 90% EU players if not more especially in Wv3.
The fix needs to come from A-net which needs to clarify their stance. Either they remove put both NA and EU in one bracket and remove server languages, like FR SP DE (so absolutely no distinction, and yes people can transfer/play where they want), or they create an Asian bracket, put limitations for transfers out of own’s region (pay 15$/€ ?). As it is they let the situation in between, distinguishing NA and EU brackets yet seeming to don’t care that players go out of their own region, this brings a very conflictual situation and I’d say in the next months Wv3 will be totally screwed and people will play just to kill other players, noone caring about scores, forts, organization, … since it would all be meaningless.

Motherkittening son of a god. Surely the best PvP video I have seen on this game, grats for this awesome action and I hope we’ll see more from you.

I am pretty sad to see noone tries to throw AoEs near downed comrades or just throw empty hits near the body : stealth doesn’t mean untouchable, does it).

Edit : oh it’s Slic, no wonder.