Guild Wars 2

Yaptap.7945:

@ galhalean.7380

Alright, I’ll give one last shot, since this argument can go on forever and will not change how quickly the rewards will be dispersed.

Since all my analogies have been “greatly exaggerated,” let’s use something on a similar scale to not getting an in-game reward. Let’s say you and your neighbor are hyped to watch the World Cup, but one day your neighbor’s cable goes out and he can’t watch it. Likewise in GW2, the people are all hyped to get their WvW tickets but some unfortunately did not receive their chests after completing the meta.

So your neighbor calls the cable company, but the only fix is to cut off cable access to the entire community until they can resolve the issue with your neighbor’s cable, just like how the WvW tickets are effete as of now. “That’s fine,” you say. World Cup is just a source of entertainment, as is GW2. No one’s life is on the line; you just won’t be able to enjoy something that you’ve been waiting on for a long time.

But since you’re concerned and interested in knowing when the cable will be fixed for your neighborhood, you decide to give the cable company a call. They reply that they’ve “identified the issue and are working on it but not on weekends.” You are now a little frustrated, since there is no ETA on when the fix will be, and you won’t know if you can catch any of the World Cup matches live but aren’t sure whether to make plans to do something else or not because the cable could come back any day. Not to mention, when you call in every day to check on the status, you get no reply on the other line. Once in a while, you get a notification that merely reaffirms that a problem exists but doesn’t give you the progress on fixing this issue. This essentially mirrors how Anet is treating the issue with WvW rewards based on the reactions in this thread.

Bear in mind no one is dying over something like missing the World Cup, but now you have to deal with the frustration of everyone in the neighborhood who were also soccer/football fans who wanted to catch the World Cup matches live who now cannot just because one person (the group of players in GW2 who did not receive their rewards) in the neighborhood had an issue with his cable. And to make matters worse, the cable company doesn’t disclose any information about how far along they are in fixing the issue other than the fact that they acknowledge an issue exists. So now do you know why people are angry despite the fact that “Anet is working on it”?

Of course, no analogy can be perfect, but I feel this faithfully exemplifies the key opinions and feelings that are flying rampant throughout this thread. Of course it’s important to be patient and wait things out, but I would hope that whatever you do, you take seriously and to keep people abreast of updates. Much of the dissatisfaction voiced in this thread now is not about people not being able to use their WvW tickets but in Anet’s reticence in keeping people updated about the current condition. Even a short daily post that tells people “We’re still working kitten the issue” helps allay a lot of frustration and shows that Anet has their customers in mind.

And if you cannot comprehend this analogy, then there is no point in further replying to your comments as they are merely serving to underscore technicalities that do not facilitate further discussion.

Trying again are we? ill give you the fact that you got the comparison in to the entertainment realm, but im going to cut to the chase since you are completely missing the point. the fact is i comprehend all the analogies you have had (evidence is that i was able to point out the flaws in your arguments). the fact is you can comprehend why im doing this…… which is the real sad point here. this is the third time you replied with an agrument? did you see the reasoning behind why im doing what im doing? did you sit and think that maybe the situation isnt as bad as you think it is? the short answer (based on your response) is no, you just keep trying to come up with analogies that turn the agrument in your favor. you want me to comprehend and try to see things your way but you dont make a good case. yes, the things that happened are bad and yes, people are dissappointed. So what happens when its fixed? the complaining isnt going to make it go faster and time and energy spent going on and on about how terrible it is could be used toward getting more reward in different parts of the game. So yes i comprehend whatyou wrote and i state that you didnt comprehend what i said. a constructive argument is when two people listen and compair points of view, which i dont think you tried did you? an argument with only one person listening isnt an argument. so i as i listened, did you?

Sungtaro.6493:

The not working weekends for this comment while completely understandable was really ill advised. Having worked fifteen hours this last weekend to fix critical bugs for a software push, I actually understand their position on not working on this bug this weekend.

However, given the rather poor PR this bug is tied to, more regular updates should occur to indicate that they are on top of the issue even if the update is that no progress has been made today. It is an indicator of how on top of the issue Anet is.

The only thing is, read half of the posts here and ask yourself " would I make a post about progress if things might be worse than anticipated when they are already calling for blood?" If your answer was yes then you are braver than me by a long shot. BTW great to see someone agrees that people need off days too! thank you for agreeing!

thaooo.5320:

Yep lets stop posting, let this thread get buried to page 20.

Obviously WvW gets too much loot and updates and bug fixes and updates and stuff, we’re just being greedy.

C’mon guys, let ANet focus on PvE and the Gem Store for once, we get too much here, PvE and the Gem Store have been neglected since launch.

Not saying we need to stop posting. Just make more constructive posts. You know ones that dont treaten lives, make horrible compairsons or attack peoples state of mind.

Yaptap.7945:

galhalean.7380:

Yaptap.7945:

Imagine if doctors didn’t have to take call or work on weekends. You’re hemorrhaging blood? Sorry, I don’t work on Saturday.
And before someone says a video game issue isn’t the same as someone’s life on the line, I just want to drop my 5 cents. Regardless of what scenario, you should hold yourself to a higher standard and be accountable for your actions. If you can’t solve the problem in a timely manner, at least let others know so that they aren’t kept in the dark.

Ok well where to start…. Well first, your comparing a small issue with one part of a game (as in, the game is still playable with the issue at hand) to a serious medical issue that puts someone life at risk? can you be more stupid? let me lay some knowledge on you. With medical issues there are lives at risk where some doctors are on call for emergencies cause you know… people can die which is why most doctors have varying off days of call ins… because, again people die….. with games people do die over the issue and seeing and no one can die from this issue they have the normal days off as any office staff would with weekends off.cause you know people dont die over it….(getting the hint yet). They are taking accountability for the mishap by actually trying to fix it. So if this is you feeble attempt at an argument feel free to try again lol casuse i love swatting the weak argument out. Because, if you say that you know the compairison is bad then why still make it?

Of course, I would expect someone to respond without having fully read my post and then make a direct attack about my intellect. Of course the comparison is exaggerated to make a point. I even note that a patient in critical condition is different from not receiving an in-game item due to a bug. But regardless, when fixing a problem, one should hold him/herself accountable and work hard to resolve the issue regardless how serious the issue is. And if the issue is something that isn’t that trivial (which in this game it seems to big a pretty tough issue if it’s already taken this long), then instead of just saying “we have a lead” or “we’re working on it,” they should just say the issue seems more complicated than we had thought instead of giving ambiguous updates that keep players waiting with bated breath. And just to make another medical analogy, since you seem to “enjoy them oh-so-much,” if someone had a diagnosis of a severe illness, would you as a doctor wait until you had already treated them half-way through before you told them what they had? Transparency is good for rapport regardless what profession you are in.

Ok well lets start up again. Of course im going to bash a bad comparison becasue even you said its bad. Now, I’m not bashing your intellect directally, but give me something that doesnt say something in bad taste (like a bug in a video game vs a medical emergency that affects lives). So lets also drop some more knowledge on your second comparison. Ok so in you example you had a doctor wait to tell you a diagnosis untill you were half way through treatment, and you stated it was bad. Hate to tell you but this happens all the time (ex. exploritory surgery). so let me drop my own medical compairson. Lets take cancer (cause everyone thinks that its that serious issue to the game) when you are told the issue might be cancer (akin to friday’s red post about finding the issue) doesnt mean that you know what type, how fast it is, or how far along it is. Now if this happened odds are you are not going to a diagnosis untill you get the many TIME CONSUMING tests and treatments. Now this is the fun part, if a doctor said that it is an easy issue (like the post that people are BEGGING for) off of just the information from the 1st day and then something happens to that person the family of the victim would have their head (which is why they havent said much given the time they have had to work with the issue which is 2 days cause remember they are off weekends). Moreover, a doctor would not treat the condition unless they are 100% sure the treatment is appropriate for the condition even if they think they found the issue. BTW, exaggeration makes for horrible arguements.

Nat.4029:

Chyanne Waters.8719:

Why do people see the need in trying to change the game into what they think they want?
Why do people complain about the game so much?
Why do people want mounts?
Why can’t people let Anet do their jobs instead of trying to do it for them?
Why do people want to make this game into their old game?
Why do people want expansions, When living story will add more content for free over time? https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/

This game has taken a new route on MMO’s that others are afraid of. GW1 did the same thing. This game has to be different from all other games including GW1. From what I understand about GW1 is this. If Anet had the resources to create GW1 as they wanted to, GW2 is what it was suppose to be. They did not have the resources so they created a great game GW1 using instanced content instead. Now they have that ability and have learned a lot from GW1 in how to back ground updates, make changes without kicking everyone off for hours, and giving us a great game to play.

Do they take ideas from other games well yeah of course. All games do this, but are not always successful. Does GW2 work with other games on how people play yes of course, there is no subscription fee. This gives anyone who plays and does not have the money to play two sub games a lot of choice.

Stop trying to make GW2 into other games. Make suggestions that work with this game not because it comes from another game, but because it will work with this game. Suggestions Like new weapon skills (not weapons) with existing weapon skills giving new builds to try. Not suggestions like we need the holy trinity back. *

GW2 has the most potential for changes over any game out there because of design. Changes pretty much on the fly any time they want. Sometimes announced sometimes not. If you want to farm constantly in the same place Aka endgame this game may not be for you. If you like a constantly changing game with new things to farm or do then this game is for you.

P.S. Anet or any other MMO developer does not owe the players anything in particular to what they think they deserve. They only try to give them the best experience they can for the type of MMO it is.

This is not being a fanboy I have respect for all games, because I know I do not have the ability to make them. I also know that to develop them it takes a lot of people.

I’ve said before that I don’t really mind losing the Holy Trinity. What I hate is the lack of build diversity that stems from weapon skills. This is a spot that could use a major overhaul in my opinion. GW1 had it right. Each weapon had multiple skills that could be swapped out. This is what GW2 needs. Using the same 5 two handed sword skills with my Guardian becomes very tedious after a while. It’d be nice to be able to swap them out. I understand that it would be a kitten to balance when adding several more skills for each weapon (for each class), but it would be awesome to have that option.

I too feel that the weapon skill do hinder the diversity a good bit but i think they could remedy that by opening classes up with access to new weapons like put in a two-handed axe ( pre-launch they hinted this) or allow classes to use weps that hey couldnt use before (ex mesmer with a dagger) doing that would open the pool up a good bit in my opinion.

Zietlogik.6208:

Please reply on what you would like to see for these 3 facets of content.

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Solo end-game
5-man end-Game
Open-World End-Game

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Solo end-game could include things such as: Liadri style combat, Personal Story style missions (including AI armies / team), mini-game mechanics tests such as the crystal hunt in the Labyrinthian Cliffs.

5-man end-game could include things such as randomized 5-man dungeons (not fractals) with objective based gameplay rather than Point-A-to-Point-B, Boss encounters, 5-man triggered Dynamic Events (similar to how Siegerazor works in WvW).

Open-World end-game could include things such as smaller scaling versions of the Wurm, Marionette, world bosses (noone likes zerging…its boring), large-scale PvEvP hybrids, PvE dungeon/fortress assaults/defense.

A personal note, I would like many of these to contain a barrier of entry of some sort, to prevent the mass zerg mentality.

Well from what i expect i think we will see all 3 of the thing you mentioned. With the living world as i know right now, the content will be lvl 80 which means that the new zones will be lvl 80 as well all withthe assortment of group, solo and possibly dungeon content. I am alittle shakey on the dungeon but i dont think that i am the only one who thinks we need some new dungeons.

Muusic.2967:

galhalean.7380:

So they havent been able to look in to the issue untill yesterday and all of you crying for an update are being just a little obsurd. I would rather them work on the fix, At least give them the oppertunity to fix it while keeping a realistic expectation of work schedules.

The season ended on 5/30, since then they have given 2 vague responses which is close to what happened in season 1. There’s still a lot of S1 players who didn’t get their rewards so I can understand why Anet’s definition of a “realistic expectation” has most players a little unhappy.

I’m cool however it’s going to turn out because Anet has made it plain their priorities lie in the gemstore and living stories and to expect different would be “unrealistic”.

Good point, however, I do believe that they are working on a fix with some priority. I agree that they do run on the “show must go on” attitude seeing that S2 is on the horison and that they have alot going on. I think that this problem just popped up at a bad time. Things happen and in 2 weeks this thread will be gone with the wind and people will be ranting about something else im sure. At least i see a good point made every once in a while.
BTW love the img lol!

Taisia.2813:

Selwynn.2758:

The big point you are missing is that the rewards were to be available last tuesday. It is now seven days later. Not only is the issue not fixed, but there is also pathetically low communication and no ETA.

And your response to the frustration about the indefinite delay on content you hyped and sold for months and that people worked to get for nine weeks? Is to say the community is being unfair to the poor developers who have lives on weekends.

It used to be, than when a company effed up on its deliverables, there WERE NO LIVES until their eff up was solved and fixed. That’s how people developed loyalty to a company or brand. Every day a company failed its delivery promise to the customer was another update to the community describing EXACTLY where they were in the process of fixing it, even if the news wasn’t great (i.e. we’re struggling to identify the problem, here’s what we’ve been doing today….)

YOU broke it, YOU put your barbeque on hold and fix it. YOU gave us a delivery date. YOU ought provide daily summaries of the updates to fix your failed delivery promise.

If software gaming companies functioned more like this, I would be oh so much less upset about delays and problems. I cannot understand for the life of me why MMO developers cannot get this through their heads. I logged into the forums several days this week just to see if their was an update. I was much more willing to be patient if the issue was hard to fix. What has gotten me more and more furious is (a) the lack of communication and then (b) the smarmy, snide response to the outrage over lack of timely updates with the whole “sorry, but we have lives” tripe.

Well, lately the almighty Ubisoft released a garbage on PC called Watch Dogs and oh boy it literally doesn’t work even on a machine from Nasa or Pixar… And 2 weeks not even a single patch or acknowledgement from Ubisoft that they are working on it. Now I really would also like an ETA on this but anet is hardly the 1st company failing to deliver fixes timely. On another note, I believe they would gladly give an eta on when the rewards would be delivered if they knew, which is definitely worrisome…

lol you handled this one alot how i would. dont see ubisoft losing sleep over watchdogs gamebreaking bugs for pc. Im sure we will get an update to this in a day or so.

Yaptap.7945:

Imagine if doctors didn’t have to take call or work on weekends. You’re hemorrhaging blood? Sorry, I don’t work on Saturday.
And before someone says a video game issue isn’t the same as someone’s life on the line, I just want to drop my 5 cents. Regardless of what scenario, you should hold yourself to a higher standard and be accountable for your actions. If you can’t solve the problem in a timely manner, at least let others know so that they aren’t kept in the dark.

Ok well where to start…. Well first, your comparing a small issue with one part of a game (as in, the game is still playable with the issue at hand) to a serious medical issue that puts someone life at risk? can you be more stupid? let me lay some knowledge on you. With medical issues there are lives at risk where some doctors are on call for emergencies cause you know… people can die which is why most doctors have varying off days of call ins… because, again people die….. with games people do die over the issue and seeing and no one can die from this issue they have the normal days off as any office staff would with weekends off.cause you know people dont die over it….(getting the hint yet). They are taking accountability for the mishap by actually trying to fix it. So if this is you feeble attempt at an argument feel free to try again lol casuse i love swatting the weak argument out. Because, if you say that you know the compairison is bad then why still make it?

Big point i think alot of people are missing is that the issue was identified on FRIDAY. Now on the weekend most offices are closed for the two days off they need. So they havent been able to look in to the issue untill yesterday and all of you crying for an update are being just a little obsurd. I would rather them work on the fix, living story s2, more updates, and more content than sitting down every 10 min telling us about the problem. At least give them the oppertunity to fix it while keeping a realistic expectation of work schedules.

tebbles.1564:

Mark Katzbach.9084:

Guys, the last update was on Friday. Today is Monday. Contrary to popular belief, our developers have lives and families that they would like to live and see respectively.

Believe me when I say that we will provide an update as soon as we have an update to provide. Until that time, your continued patience is appreciated.

Hey guy, the last due date was on Tuesday. Today is Monday. Contrary to popular belief, our player base has standards that we would like to uphold regarding our developers.

Believe me when I say this game will be dead if you don’t bring us what you said you would bring us, this goes beyond the “rewards” of season 1 AND 2 but I will refer you to Carver’s post. Until that time, I’ll wait on the basis of false hope and nostalgia that I have for GW1.

First, who are you to represent the player base? Second, the supposed release was tuesday, BUT unforseen problems happen. Would you want some shmoe getting 2x the rewards (which is why the disabled them in the first place) and you not? Dont you think that going through the million plus players takes some time? Not to mention the time given need to create a fix and a method for dealing with the players sitting on 2x the tokens. on top of all that the have to keep up with a release schedule, podcasts, and regular new items. and to squeeze that in to 4 days before the weekend is alot to ask. Be glad that they arent the company to say “we are not going to do this anymore so here are some generic rewards so tough cookies” like I have seen in many games. While we are on the weekend thing do remember that like many offices do not run on the weekends (what most people call days off). With all this said, if you still think that they are being lazy or that they are not living up to expectations then you have no real concept of reality when it come to whats going on. So in short like to see you do better……..

So I can’t help but notice there are 3 TBD slots on the schedule. With all that is happening can we maybe see a mordremoth based world boss? I know that they added this in so that they could put a new one in the future, but it seems too convenient when we are sitting on the power keg that is the ending of the living story. My thought is that we may see a boom with a new world boss to start the new season off with. Thoughts?

Please keep it serious, this is to be a supportive discussion about the game.
(I see too many negative posts lately )

I don’t know about you but I have had people help me up almost every time in this patch (on emery and blackgate). Don’t get me wrong, there has been times in previous patches where i felt ignored but I see the community coming around.

This might not be the best stated (or written) set of ideas but here it goes..

So one of the biggest complaints is the AI of the minions ( don’t worry I won’t go on about this as it has been stated many times). The only thing I will state is the goal I would like to see is not having the same control of the minions as the ranger has to their pet, but to have the minions attack only what the necro is attacking and not wonder as they sometimes do. In addition, the minion will ONLY attack targets the necro is actively attacking even if the minion itself is being attacked. So this means if the minion aggros something then it will not attack until the necro acknowledges the target and attacks. This should help with balancing and help stop the accidental aggro that commonly happens with minions.

Okay with that out of the way I would like to know what everyone thinks about this!

So the 2nd(ish) biggest thing I hear complaints about is the jagged horrors (trait and lich elite). I think they can be fixed (apart from AI issues) by having them not tick health away but to have a certain amount of hits (so for the sake of examples every where lets say 3). So when the minion is summoned they get to use 3 hits and after hitting something they will lose a percent of health (by the way I’m saying we keep their health pools to around that of an illusion) proportionate to the number of hits. Now if you kept track, the jagged horror is summoned with (let’s say) 300 health, sweet right? But when it hits a target it is ticked for 100 health leaving them with 200 health. So ( I know I love the word So) when it is hit by someone it will naturally have less hits and if the health is below the tick of damage the hit will still go through (that way it still does something either dealing 3 hits or taking some damage, either way it’s still useful.

Now what if someone builds up 1000 horrors or something right? Well no… if the AI works like I stated above then they have to attack so they will tick down and die without getting too many horrors. I still say it should deal bleed on hit but I would like to see it go to 2 stacks up from 1.

I hope this isn’t too mind numbing and that I’m not beating a dead horse too much.
Let me know what you think!!