Guild Wars 2

DigitalKirin.9714:

jrinc.6953:

im just looking for the real reason behind the hate behind rangers as well! but if you played a ranger and understand the mechanic of it maybe you can come up with some ideas and builds to make it a good profession to run with.. and instead say its a profession not needed

The real reason? People hedge their bets. They don’t want to deal with the chance of getting a player who won’t pull their weight as equally as they feel they do in a party. You can consider this prejudice, because it is. However, you have to wonder where this prejudice came from – and it comes from past experiences. You getting kicked in the future is based off of other rangers’ performances in the past.

Rangers have a reputation. That reputation is that they contribute less in a party than many others. This comes from people choosing to play rangers as long-range characters. The problem with this has been stated several times in this thread. Can’t share buffs, loves to blindly move monsters out of position thus lowering overall group DPS, is out of range of helping fellow teammates up if they get downed.

that really sucks! but i understand what you are saying! but for someone like me i have to deal with all the drama that others has ruin the profession with… i will continue to argue my way into dungeons but it wont matter cause there will be more and more players to ruin it

Intuneric.7652:

jrinc.6953:

just feels like im not a ranger playing the way people want rangers to play i guess… basically useless

Exactly. Pve wise, rangers in this games are thiefs wannabe. But stop blaming the people wanting you to be effective. Reason = melee will always do way more damage than range no matter what class you are. Its how arena net made the game.

i know melee does more damage i get that.. and i will look more into melee … thanks for pointing that out.. i guess i have to look at a ranger in a different aspect

Molch.2078:

jrinc.6953:

[…]Most dungeons i get kicked before i can get a chance to prove how good a ranger is!
[…]
i just want to enjoy my range[…]

And that is why Rangers have no respect in Dungeons. Camping bow all day long and then they actually believe they are a valuable member of the team.

But I can solo bosses while zerkermeleescumoftheearth is dead!

Jeah, been there… Alphard, Arah path 2. Our dear Ranger soloed this boss. You know whats funny? We would have been faster if we kicked him and started over again. 4 man.

I have no problem whatsoever with play how I want builds. But don’t mark them as good.

im just looking for the real reason behind the hate behind rangers as well! but if you played a ranger and understand the mechanic of it maybe you can come up with some ideas and builds to make it a good profession to run with.. and instead say its a profession not needed

DigitalKirin.9714:

jrinc.6953:

now its seems that you may be a great ranger but is it the build you wanted to play with or just the build to keep you in the dungeon and go with the flow.. common sense is the help the group.. or this is a build that someone else said to run?

Is your priority “Help the team the best you can with the tool given by your profession” or is it “I play how I want, even if it means sacrificing the team”?

no i want to help… im not saying i want to play for myself… just the ranger class isnt much to work with if im playing like a warrior i guess or anything in that matter

xallever.1874:

jrinc.6953:

basically rangers cannot run with others unless its narrow down to another profession? now i understand certain weapons have different skills.. and rangers would have to play more of warrior aspect… hey im just listening to everyone input on this! but the majority of the players run other professions .. is there a true ranger on this thread that can confirm this

What do you mean other profession? It’s all about running efficiently and effectively. Just that a lot of the content in this game encourages melee stacking in that regard and all about DPS.

You’re lucky the general community is now more open to other professions. It used to be: 1 guard, 1 mesmer, 3 warriors.

look im not angry or anything … just feels like im not a ranger playing the way people want rangers to play i guess… basically useless

Intuneric.7652:

Easy. Ranger enters dungeon, brings spotter, frost spirit, weilds a sword in his main hand, has food buffs, stacks bloodlust and doesnt lag behind ? No problem.

Most dungeons i get kicked before i can get a chance to prove how good a ranger is!

Rofl. I dont even remember the last time i got kicked from a party

now its seems that you may be a great ranger but is it the build you wanted to play with or just the build to keep you in the dungeon and go with the flow.. common sense is the help the group.. or this is a build that someone else said to run?

basically rangers cannot run with others unless its narrow down to another profession? now i understand certain weapons have different skills.. and rangers would have to play more of warrior aspect… hey im just listening to everyone input on this! but the majority of the players run other professions .. is there a true ranger on this thread that can confirm this

DigitalKirin.9714:

Normally I’m a fairly relaxed team member when it comes to pugging people. What really irks me about rangers that join my group is that on countless occasions, they’ll use Point Blank Shot on a set of mobs that have been perfectly grouped.

Why do they do that? Seriously. I once asked and the reply was, “Because it was off cooldown.”

Okay, I understand and I’m willing to accept you not doing the best you possibly could do, but when you start trolling me by pushing mobs around and forcing me to be less effective, I’m much more accepting of seeing someone vote-kick a ranger.

Edit: So yes, your title is very accurate. Rangers have no respect in dungeons.

ok can understand the blank shot occasionally i hit blank shot accidentally but its only intended if a add is on me and not on the tank … it should only be used to push away adds on rangers so honestly in my opinion i made a mistake lol but i cant speak for eveyone else … its a nice pvp skill but in pve only used for adds on rangers

xallever.1874:

jrinc.6953:

Jahroots.6791:

Let’s not have this turn into another one of those ‘versus’ threads. And to be honest, for every ‘ranged saves the day!’ story there’s at least ten ‘bearbow fail’ ones.

I think we can agree that in PvE, rangers are about low to mid tier DPS. It’s a pretty versatile class, but awkward pet management tools make it a pain to play in most dungeons. TA and HotW are just about the only two I can think of where bringing a ranger won’t hold the party back a little. And of course, some dungeons ‘require’ specific classes so if you show up with a ranger when the group is waiting on a guard or mesmer, you’re probably going to be kicked or at least asked to switch.
And to the OP, since you don’t want to speed through dungeons you might want to stick to running with guildies or casual PUGs. Any LFG posting that doesn’t expressly state otherwise is likely for a group that at least -tries- to speed clear.

look im not really knocking the speed runs just the fact is rangers can run the speed runs and get the job done regardless of the range or melee… this bear crap never done it before but i remember gw always tried to balance everything there was never a class better then the other just bring your skills and get the job done.. so if i joined a pug let me switch my loadout for the speed run! ill put the damage in!

Welcome to GW2

Of course, Rangers can have a decent DPS output. I’ve seen it done when they properly use the sword build.

It’s not fair to kick a Ranger without even considering whether or not they can do this, this is true. But it’s also true that many Rangers don’t bother with the sword build.

im not fond of the sword build but i can work with it… i will consider the fact that i will be pugging and trying to make a name for rangers… so give us a chance lol

Jahroots.6791:

Let’s not have this turn into another one of those ‘versus’ threads. And to be honest, for every ‘ranged saves the day!’ story there’s at least ten ‘bearbow fail’ ones.

I think we can agree that in PvE, rangers are about low to mid tier DPS. It’s a pretty versatile class, but awkward pet management tools make it a pain to play in most dungeons. TA and HotW are just about the only two I can think of where bringing a ranger won’t hold the party back a little. And of course, some dungeons ‘require’ specific classes so if you show up with a ranger when the group is waiting on a guard or mesmer, you’re probably going to be kicked or at least asked to switch.
And to the OP, since you don’t want to speed through dungeons you might want to stick to running with guildies or casual PUGs. Any LFG posting that doesn’t expressly state otherwise is likely for a group that at least -tries- to speed clear.

look im not really knocking the speed runs just the fact is rangers can run the speed runs and get the job done regardless of the range or melee… this bear crap never done it before but i remember gw always tried to balance everything there was never a class better then the other just bring your skills and get the job done.. so if i joined a pug let me switch my loadout for the speed run! ill put the damage in!

xallever.1874:

Sligh.2789:

I was once in a dungeon with some warrior zerkers. They berated me the whole time, they lay on the ground dead, while I killed the boss solo. It was amazing that I could not convince them that my build was superior to theirs, as 4 of them could not even dent the boss, yet I was able to kill him solo.
The zerker crowd bases their stand on the fact that they circumvent the game by stacking damage to avoid playing the game, no skill involved in that.
As a solo ranger, I would say that I showed them what skill is.

Usually, they die because there is not enough DPS in the time allocated for them before they run out of steam (elite CD, etc).

Look at the last boss in Sorrow’s Embrace Path 3. So perhaps it’s possible for you to end up soloing the boss with everyone dead, but the fact of the matter is that they needn’t be dead if the ranger had come up with a similar DPS normally expected from say, Mesmer/Ele/Thief.

Or even just dealing with the dredge mobs there. If everybody is dead from the initial burst, and the ranged Ranger somehow managed to survive this onslaught and slowly kills the dredges, it’s still not optimal.

To be fair, the decision to go range/melee isn’t a Ranger-only issue in PUGs, but the fact of the matter is, it’s a high chance of seeing them go range inappropriately because they’re so much in love with bearbows.

so basically its the rangers fault! because of the damage at the time! i didnt know there a time limit on damage output…. I thought the purpose of a dungeon is to complete it…
most people avoid the mobs that the game was design to slow us down! now we skip adds because they want the easy way around things! I must be wrong for trying to play the game the way its intended to be play… dont get me wrong sometimes i go with the flow! but its not fun when they do it all the time… lets get a new dungeon and figure out exploits

and yet even as we prove ourselves worthy we still get the short end of the stick cause we may survive a dungeon and solo… while the zerkers complain that we should wipe and try again and stack! PLEASE… lol … not fast enough … oh i also seen players leave because they didnt finish the dungeon fast enough ! wow really guys

i may just start a ranger frenzy guild! using all possible out comes lol… damage and support lol …

Hi just want everyone to know that guild wars has alway’s been my favorite mmo of all time! I’ve been playing gw over 8 years! Ive only played as a ranger all my life! and have multiple toons! what ive notice is rangers never get the respect they deserve! the other day i was in a dungeon and i was kicked cause i was a ranger! most dungeons require warriors and guardians! i remember in gw1 where it really didnt matter what class you were cause we have skills we can change to work with the group! Now there may be bad players representing rangers but im not one of them! Most dungeons i get kicked before i can get a chance to prove how good a ranger is! I refuse to run as a warrior or a guardian because of exploits or speed runs! i just want to enjoy my range and pet moves and play the game! i would love if there could be a all ranger dungeon run lmao… but this is not the case here! I also read there may be some changes for rangers which im dying to see!