Guild Wars 2

having the same issue since yesterday night. i’m from italy too and with Fastweb as ISP ..

6/6 orr temple set (doing monthly, daily and dungeon mostly, no orr farming required)

Full exotic trinkets + guild back

just 2 Exotic Wapons (AC hammer and Mystic Claymore)

Well I’m defending it right now but if its anything on par of what it takes to get a legendary then Ill be pretty upset but Im just going on gut instinct that it shouldn’t be that bad with it being between exotic and legendary.. We will find out how tough it will be to obtain. Right now we can only speculate.

Yeah that’s just speculation in a nutshell, but history is the best teacher. And this feels just like history repeating itself and that’s why many like me are going “crazy whine mode”. We just want to A.net to know that we don’t need another grinding game, leave grinding just for aesthetics and let dedication and skill be the real effort needed to clear new content.

If you don’t have infused items you will get to a point in which you can’t stand the agony DoT tick. Supposedly if you don’t have an offensive infusion you could not kill a certain type of new mobs because they’re tough.

So if you want to fully clear the new content you need to obtain the ascended items which, being stronger then exotic and on par with legendaries (as said in the last post) i expect to be more DIFFICULT to obtain.

THIS is the kind of circular mechanic i don’t want to kick in.

It may not be as bad as i think and i really hope that this will be the case. But i have to express my concerns on a system that was not intended to be there and was clearly rushed to satisfy a part of the playerbase which is “whining” becuase there’s not gear progression.

Gear progression wasn’t supposed to be here and now it’s here becuase of the devs being frustrated on how fast we reached their intended gear caps, in just three months (which is a direct consequence of letting people buy that kind of gear with real money).

What will happen then when they release new expansion ? level cap, other tier, rinse and repeat? GW1 in 7 years never needed a level cap, or another set of armor, Okay, gw1 was not a proper mmo but it worked.

camoflaugz.5031:

moiraine.2753:

camoflaugz.5031:

Ok I still dont get it… What are people doing in pve? its either your in orr grinding de’s or your in a dungeon. How many times can you run that dungeon over and over again without doing it for gear and not get bored? What is everybody doing in pve that I don’t know about because those are the only things I can think of doing at this point.

Well as a pver i do jumping puzzles,Keg brawl,dungeons.I don’t like Orr.My foot doesn’t step there.I farm other high level lands.
I’m killing world bosses from time to time.
There are many things that i do.

Ok you see but not everyone does jumping puzzles. I know its fun but I cant consider that end game, to me its just an option to do when you feel like doing it. You farm other high level lands but heres the thing, your still farming… Getting new gear in this new patch is no different then what your doing right now.. your still farming for something, and who knows it might even be more fun than what your doing right now. The more things to do the better.

camoflaugz.5031:

mjalkar.5284:

camoflaugz.5031:

Ok I still dont get it… What are people doing in pve? its either your in orr grinding de’s or your in a dungeon. How many times can you run that dungeon over and over again without doing it for gear and not get bored? What is everybody doing in pve that I don’t know about because those are the only things I can think of doing at this point.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/the-endgame-reimagined/

this is what they intended by end game.

Now they’re adding a superior tier of jewels (for now) and then : armor and weapons.

This is in contradiction of what they intended to give us in the first place. Equip should not be the end-game reward..

The only contradiction I notice is that there is a heavy grind that leads to nowhere right now. Seriously all there is to do is grind de’s in orr or dungeons but once you have the gear from the dungeons its all cosmetics after that and if your not into cosmetics then whats left? I would much rather get gear to be able to do other things not just for looks. I don’t know if I fall in the hardcore category and thats why I might be in favor of this but I don’t see this as being hardcore at all. This is normal to me, I mean throughout the game everybody progressed in gear in one form or the other. You not wearing level 2 gear in a level 80 exp dungeon.

It’s not about being hardcore. It’s about that the core of the game was not gear progression as intended as in stats they provide. I’m following the game since it was announced and this should have been an horizontal progression system. It’s ok to introduce new armor, new weapons, new accessories. But they should not overlap the previous in any way.

They could have release same power items but with different stats combinations. So that if you would like to have a different setup (but with the same power output) you could choose to achieve those things for the sake of diversity and horizontal progression that this game was advertised for.

It’s normal “for you” to have a gear progression. I’ts not normal for other people that are sick of this kind of end-game and wish something different, something promised, something now abandoned in favor of the old classics ..

camoflaugz.5031:

Ok I still dont get it… What are people doing in pve? its either your in orr grinding de’s or your in a dungeon. How many times can you run that dungeon over and over again without doing it for gear and not get bored? What is everybody doing in pve that I don’t know about because those are the only things I can think of doing at this point.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/the-endgame-reimagined/

this is what they intended by end game.

Now they’re adding a superior tier of jewels (for now) and then : armor and weapons.

This is in contradiction of what they intended to give us in the first place. Equip should not be the end-game reward..

Jrunyon.3012:

Waar Kijk Je Naar.8713:

Upgrades are already built in, so yes you do get them.

Source?

https://d2vn94glaxzkz3.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Ascended-EN.png

the white stats you see on the left ring are the Built-in upgrades. And they are “slightly” powerful then the orbs. Just saying .. we need to see that 3% magic find how translates on plain stat rings and how it will translates in the future on armors and weapons .. that’s my concern.

Jrunyon.3012:

mjalkar.5284:

camoflaugz.5031:

I seriously wanna know what people are doing in pve right now? Your not running dungeons for gear? your not doing dungeons or orr for karma to get gear? C’mon you gotta be grinding something at this point.

Yeah i’m running dungeons and did not need a specific armor set for running them. I just need 4 people and skills. This games was being marketed as a skill-based game. This mecanics favours ITEMS over skills, FOR NOW. Until i’m being contradicted (and I would be happy if proofs will make me stand corrected, mind you(, for the tidbit of infos they prepared, i’ll continue “whining” (as you say). It’s not that GRINDING that bothers me. IT’s the “grindind or you won’t be able to do that” that bothers me.

Why dont you wait for the update to actually release and try it out for proof? No, I guess that would be the sensible and mature thing to do right? So far all I see is baseless arguments running on a mere notion that somehow you wont be able to compete at all in this dungeon without this new armor, which I guarantee is not the case.

because A.net needs to be remembered what’s their focus. They are starting an “itemization” process. I do not know where it will head. I don’t want it to head to a pointless grind just for clearing the next dungeon. I don’t know what they have on their mind. They are not being clear on this point. Until then, i’ll keep “whining”.

You can’t garantee anything as i can’t garantee the contrary of what you (And i) hope is going to happen.

I’m only sure about one, single, bothering thing : i don’t want this game to be elitist-friendly. And this kind of itemization COULD bring the game toward that direction. I don’t know if it will, or it will be just a “new thing to do” but until i’m getting concrete proof that this will not be the case, i have the right to express my concerns about this system which has CAUSED the downfall to other games i liked.

“Sorry, i can’t take you in my party, your gear is garbage” or is it ?

camoflaugz.5031:

I seriously wanna know what people are doing in pve right now? Your not running dungeons for gear? your not doing dungeons or orr for karma to get gear? C’mon you gotta be grinding something at this point.

Yeah i’m running dungeons and did not need a specific armor set for running them. I just need 4 people and skills. This games was being marketed as a skill-based game. This mecanics favours ITEMS over skills, FOR NOW. Until i’m being contradicted (and I would be happy if proofs will make me stand corrected, mind you(, for the tidbit of infos they prepared, i’ll continue “whining” (as you say). It’s not that GRINDING that bothers me. IT’s the “grindind or you won’t be able to do that” that bothers me.

Jrunyon.3012:

mjalkar.5284:

camoflaugz.5031:

mjalkar.5284:

camoflaugz.5031:

First off none of us know how this will turn out but I for one am very excited about the Ascended gear and Im excited for the new dungeon. I barely log into the game anymore because there is nothing for me to do thats interesting anymore. What are people afraid of? because they have to get new gear? what a joke, its just gear whats the problem with that? This is an MMO, makes me wonder what people are actually doing in the game because I could barely even log in anymore because I need a goal to keep playing. Now don’t get me wrong I might not like this but I’m willing to try anything new thats added and to me getting gear is not a big deal. Im used to it already and I’m sure that majority of MMO players are used to it. Its a natural thing in MMO’s. Anet, good move on this one, I just hope the new gear looks nice:)

the fact is this game was not intended to be a “get new gear” if not just from the look of it. This game has been HEAVILY sold as a Refreshing game, in which you would have to work hard just for LOOKING kitten, not for being kitten. I don’t know what kind of slope this new itemization process is going to add, the fact is that this kind of slope SHOULD not exist at all, not even in a form of a symbolic 1% of increase, becuase they bragged HARD of creating a refreshing product. They EVEN put a blog post on “GW2 Unique End Game” and I don’t recall they were talking about “getting new tier of equip there” .. so this is clearly a contradiction and an eye wink for that kind of playerbase that DO NOT BELONG to a game like this.

I still don’t see the problem? Theres some gear that I want right now but I don’t even wanna bother doing the work because grinding the same de’s in orr is not fun at all just to get a karma cosmetic. Now if I gotta get some type of gear or stats to enter a new dungeon then atleast there’s a good reason to put my time in.

that would not be a problem if the game wasn’t marketed as something different. I’m just mad at the contradiction they’re having with their manifesto. I follow this game since the first announcement and was a huge fan of the previous game too. I dislike this kind of itemization because do not belong to the a.net style. They should invest in new interesting, dungeons, mechanics, way to do thins.. that’s how we feel, simpe enough.

Uh, how about the NEW INTERESTING DUNGEON MECHANIC that youre whining about? Thats all the armor is for if you didnt know that, its a way for people who are looking for a greater challenge.

Brilliant. Let’s add new armor tiers for doing this dungeon. Then What ? 3 months from now : NEW dungeon and Evolved Ascended WOOOOOOOOOHO !!

It’s not the ADDITION itself. It’s the PROCESS that bothers me. I don’t want this game to be “you need X armor set for doing Y dungeon”. I would have played WOW or RIFT if i wanted something like that.

camoflaugz.5031:

mjalkar.5284:

camoflaugz.5031:

First off none of us know how this will turn out but I for one am very excited about the Ascended gear and Im excited for the new dungeon. I barely log into the game anymore because there is nothing for me to do thats interesting anymore. What are people afraid of? because they have to get new gear? what a joke, its just gear whats the problem with that? This is an MMO, makes me wonder what people are actually doing in the game because I could barely even log in anymore because I need a goal to keep playing. Now don’t get me wrong I might not like this but I’m willing to try anything new thats added and to me getting gear is not a big deal. Im used to it already and I’m sure that majority of MMO players are used to it. Its a natural thing in MMO’s. Anet, good move on this one, I just hope the new gear looks nice:)

the fact is this game was not intended to be a “get new gear” if not just from the look of it. This game has been HEAVILY sold as a Refreshing game, in which you would have to work hard just for LOOKING kitten, not for being kitten. I don’t know what kind of slope this new itemization process is going to add, the fact is that this kind of slope SHOULD not exist at all, not even in a form of a symbolic 1% of increase, becuase they bragged HARD of creating a refreshing product. They EVEN put a blog post on “GW2 Unique End Game” and I don’t recall they were talking about “getting new tier of equip there” .. so this is clearly a contradiction and an eye wink for that kind of playerbase that DO NOT BELONG to a game like this.

I still don’t see the problem? Theres some gear that I want right now but I don’t even wanna bother doing the work because grinding the same de’s in orr is not fun at all just to get a karma cosmetic. Now if I gotta get some type of gear or stats to enter a new dungeon then atleast there’s a good reason to put my time in.

that would not be a problem if the game wasn’t marketed as something different. I’m just mad at the contradiction they’re having with their manifesto. I follow this game since the first announcement and was a huge fan of the previous game too. I dislike this kind of itemization because do not belong to the a.net style. They should invest in new interesting, dungeons, mechanics, way to do thins.. that’s how we feel, simpe enough.

Jrunyon.3012:

mjalkar.5284:

camoflaugz.5031:

First off none of us know how this will turn out but I for one am very excited about the Ascended gear and Im excited for the new dungeon. I barely log into the game anymore because there is nothing for me to do thats interesting anymore. What are people afraid of? because they have to get new gear? what a joke, its just gear whats the problem with that? This is an MMO, makes me wonder what people are actually doing in the game because I could barely even log in anymore because I need a goal to keep playing. Now don’t get me wrong I might not like this but I’m willing to try anything new thats added and to me getting gear is not a big deal. Im used to it already and I’m sure that majority of MMO players are used to it. Its a natural thing in MMO’s. Anet, good move on this one, I just hope the new gear looks nice:)

the fact is this game was not intended to be a “get new gear” if not just from the look of it. This game has been HEAVILY sold as a Refreshing game, in which you would have to work hard just for LOOKING kitten, not for being kitten. I don’t know what kind of slope this new itemization process is going to add, the fact is that this kind of slope SHOULD not exist at all, not even in a form of a symbolic 1% of increase, becuase they bragged HARD of creating a refreshing product. They EVEN put a blog post on “GW2 Unique End Game” and I don’t recall they were talking about “getting new tier of equip there” .. so this is clearly a contradiction and an eye wink for that kind of playerbase that DO NOT BELONG to a game like this.

This isnt the thread for you whining, kindly take it to the numerous other threads available to you.

i take my “whining” whenever i feel it belongs. If you think this should be the “happy ponies and rainbow” thread, report my replies (which btw are polite and not insulting to anyone, just expalining my points) and make the a.net team delete them if they think it’s inappropriate.

Payback.4526:

Well, I hope u will not be angry when u realize that the new gear will only be best in slot for the new dungeon and not for WvW or other PVE Content because u dont get Sigils/Runes.

neither me or you knows what kind of impact this new mechanic will have, i’m not angry because i suspect that there will be unbalancing, i’m “angry” because this sudden change of direction was, for me and for other players being attracted by new mecanics too, not needed.

camoflaugz.5031:

First off none of us know how this will turn out but I for one am very excited about the Ascended gear and Im excited for the new dungeon. I barely log into the game anymore because there is nothing for me to do thats interesting anymore. What are people afraid of? because they have to get new gear? what a joke, its just gear whats the problem with that? This is an MMO, makes me wonder what people are actually doing in the game because I could barely even log in anymore because I need a goal to keep playing. Now don’t get me wrong I might not like this but I’m willing to try anything new thats added and to me getting gear is not a big deal. Im used to it already and I’m sure that majority of MMO players are used to it. Its a natural thing in MMO’s. Anet, good move on this one, I just hope the new gear looks nice:)

the fact is this game was not intended to be a “get new gear” if not just from the look of it. This game has been HEAVILY sold as a Refreshing game, in which you would have to work hard just for LOOKING kitten, not for being kitten. I don’t know what kind of slope this new itemization process is going to add, the fact is that this kind of slope SHOULD not exist at all, not even in a form of a symbolic 1% of increase, becuase they bragged HARD of creating a refreshing product. They EVEN put a blog post on “GW2 Unique End Game” and I don’t recall they were talking about “getting new tier of equip there” .. so this is clearly a contradiction and an eye wink for that kind of playerbase that DO NOT BELONG to a game like this.

No.

Because in GW1 and in 7 years of its life you NEVER needed to add another “tier” (visual apart) and i don’t think it’s needed here too.

Vice.5247:

mjalkar.5284:

Fallen Angel.5092:

mjalkar.5284:

Well, you know what ? IF you let people use REAL MONEY to acquire an EASIER WAY to obtain full exotic / legendary than DON’T COMPLAIN if 3 months away from the release you’ll see a bunch of people already having it.

This already exists. Buy gems, trade gems for gold, buy exotics.

I know right .. but they said that they are frustrated because we were so fast obtaining those items.. in fact i was just saying that’s just plain stupid to say “Hey i’m frustrated because you were so fast” and then they give an EASY way to obtain this and they they all go SURPRISED becuase many of us already have that kind of equip …

If you give a man an easy way and a hard way to obtain a thing they will be tempted to follow the easy way so you can’t just be surprised if something like that happens .. it’s logical and predictable.

That’s what I personally was happy about — that I could get the very best gear stat wise in 3 weeks after game release and put it away and start working on another kitten. Legendaries, achievements, you name it. I didn’t have to care that if I would decide to do some WvW, some 12 yo kitten would kill me simply because he has a full tier better gear than me. Now I’ll have to either play with other ppl in dungeons (which I hate, and btw there isn’t even a good LFG tool to make it better), or live with a BY FAR inferior gear!! Wtf is this kitteneriously?!

Yeah i was happy too .. now i’ve got mixed feelings, i feel a little betrayed and i don’t want to witness to yet another downfall because of this kind of attitude. A.NET STOP BEFORE THINGS GO CRAZY !

Fallen Angel.5092:

mjalkar.5284:

Well, you know what ? IF you let people use REAL MONEY to acquire an EASIER WAY to obtain full exotic / legendary than DON’T COMPLAIN if 3 months away from the release you’ll see a bunch of people already having it.

This already exists. Buy gems, trade gems for gold, buy exotics.

I know right .. but they said that they are frustrated because we were so fast obtaining those items.. in fact i was just saying that’s just plain stupid to say “Hey i’m frustrated because you were so fast” and then they give an EASY way to obtain this and they they all go SURPRISED becuase many of us already have that kind of equip …

If you give a man an easy way and a hard way to obtain a thing they will be tempted to follow the easy way so you can’t just be surprised if something like that happens .. it’s logical and predictable.

I’m not that kind of guy that go whining around like a tittle kid because of a knee-jerk reaction.

But Folks, i have to say i’m really disappointed in the direction that they want to follow. They are frustrated because a buch of nerd has already obtained full exotics and legendary so HEY let’s just put a tougher goal to reach !!

Well, you know what ? IF you let people use REAL MONEY to acquire an EASIER WAY to obtain full exotic / legendary than DON’T COMPLAIN if 3 months away from the release you’ll see a bunch of people already having it.

No lifers, hardcore gamers and easy goers ALWAYS EXISTS and you can’t revolve a game around those kind of players making CASUAL suffer about that. Yeah becuase, you know A.Net in your “Manifesto” you catered around CASUALS players saying “Heyyy we will not give you an equip-based progression” and guess what ? BAM … is there.

It’s not about those jewels they are going to add this weekend.. it’s about the ITEM PROGRESSION SYSTEM they are going to GRADUALLY implement in the game. Making Legendaries on par with Ascended .. they were just for the look !

it’s not about that “SLIGHTLY” powerful than exotic. It’s about the contraddiction with your original statements. It’s about LISTENING to whiners and kill your reputation that in 7 years of hard work you gained…

Thank you all for the in-depth replies.

Guess i’ll go with something like this

http://gw2skills.net/editor/en/?fUAQJARSlYgyCXFSKEf4ESOjVCBtPQQYPwI4rjA

with full knight exotic, emerald trinkets + emerald upgrades and 6/6 rune of the soldier.

Healing Power will not be that hight but all in all direct healing is not the purpose of this build.

Sairenkao.6485:

I am planning on using Cleric set with Rune of Earth for the high uptime of protection, while running a 10 Valor/30 Honor/30 Virtues trait. Of course the low hp pool means conditions may be a problem, so I use Purity, Pure of Voice, and Absolute Resolution for removal.

Yeah i use beryl jewels (hp power critical damage) for offsetting the low hp. Now i’m at ~18k hp and not having all those issues in WvWvW but yet again i’m using 6/6 superior rune of the soldier so my shout cleanse 2 conditions and turns one into a random boon. Not having a rough time and having a blast right now.

But i don’t know which Orrian set to take eheh .. the precision vitality healing power seems a good choice but it has low power and low toughness while the power vitality toughness set lacks in healing power

Hello guys i’m stuck with a dilemma and need advice from the guardian veterans out there.

I play a shout / boon based guardian, either 10 Radiance / 30 Honor / 30 Virtues or 10 Radiance / 30 Valor / 30 honor actually sporting a full exotic cleric of the soldier set with beryl trinkets & sapphire upgrades (costantly switching weapon sets and traits).

I’m now working on my karma in WvWvW / Orr and i can’t decide which one of the temple/god set I should take.

I’m planning to use Boon Duration runes, and i can’t really see what kind of stats should i look into for being efficient with such build due to our low hp pool .. any suggestions for a confused guardian ?

Thanks for you reply.

I’ll definitely look into your suggested build. I was trying to build a sword&shield build (as stated in the disclaimer) just because i love the general look of a sword and shield as an ensamble and i specced into valor for the -20% recast on shield buffs and the purpose was of being some kind of a hybrid but i see your point.

Hello,

I’m a level 73 Guardian running since today an offensive/healing symbol & combo exploiting build for fast PVE. I’ll be hitting 80 soon and need an advice for deciding through 3 builds I have in mind.

I really LOVE sword/shield combination with alt Greatsword. I know that there is’nt much synergy with S&B and i should rely on a focus but .. i just can’t imagine myself with that setup.

Build 1 : All rounded

http://www.gw2db.com/skills/calc/guardian#2|9|2478|3980|12645|3410|4501|0|0|0|0|30|2172|1363|1366|20|2281|1405|0|10|866|0|0|10|2286|0|0|7|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|

This build will rely on faster consecrations ,hold the line and shield buffs/healing but i think it’s too much spread and fail to achieve something decently.

Build 2 : Crit-heavy Boons

http://www.gw2db.com/skills/calc/guardian#2|9|2478|1308|3408|3410|4501|0|0|0|0|30|2172|1363|1366|20|2281|1405|0|20|866|2274|0|0|0|0|0|7|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|

This one is more focused on achieving critcal hit with fast sword chains for activating the vigor & party wide might while protecting with fast shouts , shield skills and “dodge healing”

Build 3 : Support

http://www.gw2db.com/skills/calc/guardian#16|9|2478|3980|2746|3410|4501|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|20|2281|1405|0|30|880|2171|890|20|2286|2176|0|1|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|

if all else fails i fall with a more common Mace/Shield – Hammer build based around symbols, battle presence and consecrations.

i’m still unsure about the equip needed for each of those builds and i’m a little afraid that Build 3 is too much pidgeon holed and can’t do anything beside support, as a fact hampering my team instead of helping it.

What do you thinks ? Thanks for your replies.