Guild Wars 2

I don’t don’t get it. BG got what they wanted and now they’ve got it they are QQing about getting what they wanted.

I have never understood how anyone with even a modicum of self-respect could remain on BG for more than a few weeks.

I still don’t.

Sanduskel.1850:

Honorable Rallians mounted a rebellion against the man last night and did a beat down on SBI to curb their perfidy. Congrats Maguuma.

Yeah. For a minute there we were in danger of having to look up to Blackgate as the more honorable server.

I been thinking that a small handful of BG’s posters remind me of nothing so much as your typical political talk radio commentator but upon more careful reflection I’ve come to the conclusion that most political talk radio commentators are paragons of rational discourse in comparison to that, actually not so small, handful BG’s posters.

Crimson Riddles.3892:

oldephartte.4369:

Now let me get this straight.

Full Server vrs Full Server vrs Full Server = Full PPT available

Full Server vrs Full Server vrs Outmanned Server = Less than Full PPT available (at least to full servers)

Full Server vrs Seriously Outmanned Server vrs Seriously Outmanned Server = Not much PPT available (miniscule PPT available to full server)

With all kinds of permutations in the middle, the essence being a low pop server doesn’t have many points to offer a full server.

Three not full but almost equal populations servers would have all PPT available.

And like that.

Makes sense to me. In a nutshell, you don’t get paid for essentially doing nothing.

Just because the server is full, it doesn’t mean the entire server plays WvW… TC is a great example of that

Scratch server substitute server team in a BL

I.E.

Full Server Team in a BL vrs Seriously Outmanned Server Team in a BL vrs Seriously Outmanned Server Team in a BL = Not much PPT available (miniscule PPT available to full server team in a BL where they seriously outnumber their opponents)

Basic premise still holds. You don’t get paid, make that rewarded, for doing nothing.

Now let me get this straight.

Full Server vrs Full Server vrs Full Server = Full PPT available

Full Server vrs Full Server vrs Outmanned Server = Less than Full PPT available (at least to full servers)

Full Server vrs Seriously Outmanned Server vrs Seriously Outmanned Server = Not much PPT available (miniscule PPT available to full server)

With all kinds of permutations in the middle, the essence being a low pop server doesn’t have many points to offer a full server.

Three not full but almost equal populations servers would have all PPT available.

And like that.

Makes sense to me. In a nutshell, you don’t get paid for essentially doing nothing.

Pervin.5036:

Fun times in DBBL tonight against LUN/HL/VIG, BP/GODS/EA and later HL/Choo and EAT/qT. The three way fights at SE Bay and then by the victory wurm were great.

Also have not seen VIG around previously so I guess welcome to Tier 1 or good luck on the new guild venture

LOL.

VIG has been a proud member of GW2’s greatest WVW community since minute 1 day 1.

Most of the guild is just very quiet and low key. (Adult might be a good description since it won’t apply to me. ) But the larger guilds on our server, the senior commanders and a lot of the militia know who we are. Which suffices.

Beyond that, it would be nice if someone better versed in it than I were to recount the guild’s history in other games, but I suspect the best candidates are much too reticent.

Otherwise, like most of SoR, we simply relish a good fight such as we, on occasion, enjoyed tonight.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the objective for any server, especially in Tier 1, should be to be constantly and consistently competitive, or ideally better than competitive, in all time zones 24/7. No ifs no ands no buts (but with the proviso no hacks or other forms of cheating). To aspire to anything less is foolish. To disadvantage server mates by not helping recruit guilds to make them at least competitive if not better than competitive in their time slot is foolish. To not log on earlier and stick around longer if you have the time and inclination, especially when it will help the server tick more points is foolish. To not drop siege when and where it will provide an advantage is foolish. Etc. Etc. Etc. And to argue otherwise is foolish.

It seems to me that JQ is a server that once upon a time was as good as they thought they were. SOR is a server that generally tends to be as good as they think they are. Sadly BG is a server that has never been, isn’t and likely will never be as good as they think they are.

Am having trouble understanding why JQ decided to let BG roll them in what could likely be the final meeting of this T1 line up.

The reality is that SOR has always WVWed on it’s own terms.

By some strange twist of circumstance Anet is changing their terms at the same time that JQ and BG have already learned that their terms don’t mean fertilizer to a tree. So too to Anet.

So what ever the new terms may evolve to, we’ll keep playing our way.

If you get our way — cool! If you don’t, do you think we really give a rat’s posterior.

Something strange has happened folk
The sleeping giant has awoke
A bunch of dreams gone up in smoke
BG’s push about to choke
JQ gone out for a smoke
The server all took as a joke
The sleeping giant has awoke

jojojoon.8607:

Azure.8412:

jojojoon.8607:

scootshoot.6583:

Kreen.3925:

LetoII.3782:

Zen.8497:

I believe the guilds that won’t even try is because they know better and expect to be wiped.
Regarding Foo, it is obvious they didn’t even expected the outcome or they might have not accepted, as soon the ball was already rolling it would have been hard for them to honorably back away from these fights even if they wanted.

I work really early hours (4am est) so on the weekends I get to see FoO in action often and I can say, without reservation, they are more than a zerg. Yes, they have huge numbers. Yes, as any large guild of that size, skill level varies. Same as in any large western guild.

However, when it comes to discipline and organization, sheer points producing potential, I think they kick NA’s butt. When’s the last time you saw a group from NA do sentry duty at a camp? Sure maybe a person will watch a door, maybe player will patrol a yaks route. FoO will set up a 5 man in every camp with a response team ready to be there in 30 seconds. Heck they even have a sentry or two on each yak. Basically, a solo hunter like me can’t do jack but gank the occasional solo on their way to doing something productive and responsible. Basically, they’re an army and we’re just roaming barbarians. Any NA guild could learn a thing or two. Sure, in a wild fight we beat em.. But I think taking a keep from them would be miserable.
What they do, standing bored at an objective, takes pride. They ENJOY it, because it’s winning. And I do believe that pride would also require them to keep coming back, even if they lose, until they do beat us.
I guess we’ll find out Sunday, eh?

Right now these tactics are one of the major reasons JQ is winning. Sure we make full use of our stronger timezones and appear to have some better numbers at times as well but we defend and upgrade our stuff better than the other two servers and so hold onto to points for longer. Each timezone tries to hand off something for the previous timezone to work with.

Heh. Your statement above still comes down to numbers advantage. More eyes and ears as scouts on the road thus covering more land area. Extra bodies to run supplies, upgrades etc.

Did you miss last weeks reset night? Up until 4am all 3 servers were neck and neck as every NA player packed the queues for each. Was a less then 2k difference when I went to bed. Woke up the following morning around 11am central to see the lead balloon to 12k JQ advantage, lol. How do you think this happened? From your Asian crew defending and upgrading? haha.

Anyhoo, we had similar advantage when we were on T2 and the games grew stale fast pounding on doors with little resistance so much prefer having the greater number of opponents to go against so keep those bandwagon transfers coming JQ!

You went to sleep early, but many wvw players who enjoy the game do not sleep on their normal hours on a Friday/Saturday. I personally played until almost 4am (of course not 11 straight hours).

One of the points Kreen makes that probably isn’t happening on SOR is that, on JQ, the players from the different time zones try to help each other out by doing the little things like escorting yaks to upgrade to pass on next time zone, managing the hours to try to log in during the server’s weaker coverage hours, etc.

At least from what I have seen on the forum, SOR does their normal thing during their normal hours and then points the finger at their weaker time zone players and blames them for the reason why they’re losing. I’ve read some SOR players calling their other time zones “disorganized” or trying to kick their other time zone players out of their server just to give them a better chance of winning instead of actually trying to help them out.

I can assure you our NA do try their best to help our weaker timezones. I dont know where you got that from.

You probably don’t follow the forum all that much. There were some NA players from SOR who wanted to kick all non-NA players from NA servers just so they will have a better chance at winning. There was a huge discussion about it a few days ago.

That’s not what was said, but good try. The point being made that non-NA players need to be more evenly spread across all NA servers. (Kicking them off is the poster’s term.) Which would be fair and make for better competition from and for a larger number of servers. The problem is that fair is a concept a lot of Tier 1 stacked server WvWers don’t seem able to grasp.

Hmm.

24 NA servers.

Oceanic/SEA and EU players on NA servers fully balanced on all servers would = a bit over 4% per NA server.

So let’s say we set the total allowable non-NA population on each NA server per each region at say 12.5%. Should produce a reasonable critical mass.

If the whole non-NA population heads for the top servers that spreads them over 8 servers.

Assume a reasonable balance or shifting balance of NA players on NA servers, you have no more stacked servers and you have at a minimum 5-6 competitive servers and maybe the full 8.

Servers move up and down through Tiers 1-3 like a toilet seat. Something around 1/3 of all WVW players have a reasonable expectation that over a not so extended period of time their server can climb to the top of the rankings.

Simple solution. Put a cap on the number of non-NA players allowed on any one NA server based on a +/- percentage of the total number of non-NA players on NA servers with the objective of fairly balancing the the population of non-NA players across all the NA servers to make game play more competitive 7/24.

Vodka.3958:

wish.3102:

Vodka.3958:

Wonder if SoR can pull a win this week

I doubt it, but it will be fun seeing them beat BG down more. I’m loving that Tsym is getting their revenge on the bandwagoners who bad mouthed them.

13-3

Said it before, I’ll say it again. 3 from the bottom up worth more than 13 from the top down. The more you remind us the more it makes the sad decline of BG worse.

I don’t get it. People knock SoR for all kinds of reasons. None of which make any sense. The reality is that we just keep coming. No fuss. No muss. No panic. It’s just what we do. Not long ago most of T1 and some from other Tiers were of the opinion we were in over our heads. We kept coming. No glory. Lots of guts. Ask BG. Ask SOS. Ask … Not important. We keep coming. That’s our claim to fame. Our secret ingredient. Not, as some would say our community. Or how and why we were named. Personally, I think we are for the most part dysfunctional a lot of the time, yes we love to fight, and who gives a rat’s kitten why or how we were named. I certainly don’t. I outgrew nursery rhymes a long time ago. Then too, others, myself often included, believe our skill level is a major factor. I can’t remember anyone in, at least my guild, feeling intimidated by any guild or any server since our early days in T2. Including the BG that still brags about how often they beat us when they were a fallen T1 angel and we were, then as now, the devil in disguise, didn’t intimidate us. They sure haven’t intimidated since we got to T1. We just kept coming. It’s what we do.

So, JQ, laugh while you can. Laugh while numbers still matter. But bear in mind, we’ll keep coming. It’s what we do. And we’ll beat you playing our game, not yours. That’s the other part of what we do.

Ask… forget it, forget it. Experience is the best teacher.

Just be aware we’ll keep coming, marching to our theme song

Vodka.3958:

Doomdesire.9365:

Vodka.3958:

Doomdesire.9365:

So I got infracted for the message “Looking for 1v1s. Whisper me in game”

while there is immense trolling in this thread. Great work Anet mods…

Anyways, seeing how that IS NOT off topic, I’m going to try this again

If anyone wants to duel me in WvW, a SoR player, who wants to duel BG/JQ players in WvW, which is related to the WvW discussion at hand(Not everything in wvw is zergs), then please whisper me in game

It’s because asking for 1v1’s is not what this thread was created for. I can see where A-Net is coming from & I agree with them.

Yeah you’re right. This thread was created for the sake of trolling each other and flaming each other over who has more coverage.

It’s a thread to discuss the match between JQ/BG/SoR. This is no different from asking GvGs and battles.

Care to 1v1?

It is what you make it, other’s may be hurt by facts (especially those that dislike being in a tier that has a server that beat them 13 times in it) I’m sure we can all get along and stay on topic, if you want to 1v1 me please feel free to PM me in-game. I’ll try and make room for you somewere in my schedule.

Other than that can we please stay on topic? Thanks.

Now let me get this straight. SOR lost how many times to a server that was above them in the rankings? BG lost or is about to lose how many times to a server that is BELOW them in the rankings.

Pretend for a moment you are a neutral third party, which server has really accomplished something and which server these days really even has trouble winning with their babble on the forums?

If the coming update does what it should, I for one won’t be surprised to see both JQ and BG gone from Tier 1 long before SOR. At some point aggregate player skills, not numbers, have to be the differentiator between winning and you can’t really call what’s happening to us now losing.

“I speak for Rall. Because unlike JQQ and BG, they understand the true spirit of WvW.”

Immortal Stei|AoS commander|Armyofshepherds.enjinn.com|WvW Leader|Trusted Member of the community|

I ask again, what the kitten does “Trusted Member of the community” mean? Is there some kind of forum I don’t know about where we get to vote on whom within the community we trust. Or as I suggested earlier, is this like those chests full of medals tin pot dictators award themselves. Personally, I don’t trust those guys. Or people who award themselves meaningless titles.

crewthief.8649:

oldephartte.4369:

crewthief.8649:

oldephartte.4369:

Is it really ‘winning’ when there is no risk of ‘losing’?

I know what I’d call it. But that would get me banned.

Just hope you guys don’t go blind.

Yes, it still counts as winning. The most points ‘win’ the match. Almost positive that’s how it works.

So maybe Anet should institute a handicap system, say like in golf, for WvW and even things out.

BTW does the hair you guys are growing on your palms get itchy?

I’ll be sure to write a letter to Anet requesting a formal apology for allowing the highest score to win the match in WvW. Let me guess, you think everyone should receive a trophy?

I guess what I’m questioning is how can anyone on JQ feel any sense of accomplishment, when other than stacking your server, you haven’t really accomplished anything to remotely feel proud of? At least over the past couple of weeks. Before the stacking, who knows you might actually have been as skilled as has been implied.

It’s really akin to… I better not go there.

Is it really ‘winning’ when there is no risk of ‘losing’?

I know what I’d call it. But that would get me banned.

Just hope you guys don’t go blind.

“I’d like to welcome JQ to Monday Night Raw. Since they are legends in their own minds, they will fit right in.”

Dcollins.6973:

SoPP.7034:

Dcollins.6973:

Win!! And it’s only Tuesday suckas!!! lmfao GO JADE QUARRY!!!!

Don’t do that please, you embarrass yourself and the community.

Remember that when you’re cheering for your favorite team next time your watching whatever sport it is you enjoy watching…

I bet you believe WWE is a real competition too.

What the kitten is a

“Trusted Member of the community”

Is that like the chest full of medals tinpot dictators award themselves?

It’s self-serving, but essentially has no relevance to anything.

hex.3218:

oldephartte.4369:

With all their rationalizations and justifications in favour of the sorry state of WVW Tier 1, JQ reminds me of nothing so much as one of those people who claim that when they break wind there is no offensive odour.

Someone here has an obsession with passing gas….

Either that or I have lived long enough to start collecting my pensions and deserve the name in more ways than one.

(Grammar edit.)

SoPP.7034:

oldephartte.4369:

With all their rationalizations and justifications in favour of the sorry state of WVW Tier 1, JQ reminds me of nothing so much as one of those people who claim that when they break wind there is no offensive odour.

Phartte you’re on the wrong server then….

Nope. Sadly, I can’t make that claim. Literally or figuratively.

With all their rationalizations and justifications in favour of the sorry state of WVW Tier 1, JQ reminds me of nothing so much as one of those people who claim that when they break wind there is no offensive odour.

Though they will doubtless deny it, JQ’s numbers have made the skills of individual players, the cohesiveness of guilds and the leadership qualities of their commanders, pretty much irrelevant.

And that’s sad.

But face it, the reality is that If they want something badly enough it doesn’t take long to assemble enough bodies to take it. And that makes skirmishes with them pretty much irrelevant since there’s not much point in feeling disappointed if you lose, it was inevitable, and any joy you get from winning will be short lived at best.

And that’s even sadder.

But there is a silver lining.

It sure is great playing on a server where the skills of individual players, the cohesiveness of guilds and the quality of our commanders are highly relevant. And greatly appreciated.

More of the players in T1 should try it some time. It’s a lot more fun.

split.3659:

oldephartte.4369:

The idea that an individual posting represents his or her server is a load of crap.

Someone claiming to be a part of a server is essentially a representative of that server. Therefore, the actions of each person posting on the forums, claiming a particular server, represents their server for good or bad.

They are essentially an individual expressing an opinion and if people read more into it than that it’s their problem, not the server’s. I do not pretend to represent my server, nor do I expect anyone to think that I do. There is no therefore about it.

Nuked.2360:

zombieCHAS.7193:

Since this thread has become more about guilds/players jumping servers and less about the actual Wv3ing, I was curious about something.

Correct me if I’m wrong please, I am generally curious.
From my understanding, the guild PRX (the professionals), were on the SoS server and then right before the server transfer fees, left to JQ.

Why?
SoS has always been a tier 1 server, they didn’t have transfers hurt them like SBI did, and the jump was too another server that was already in Tier 1. I would really prefer a commander from PRX to elaborate on this decision if possible. I don’t see any problem in the transfer, as every guild/player can do as they please and it doesn’t bother me.
But when most guilds leave, its usually because…

1. May be the only guild on a server trying, so they move to a more organized server.
2. Leave to play against people from previous server who are high skilled as well for a challenge.
3. Friendships in RL
And maybe a few other reasons.

I really am curious is all because that transfer does baffle me. Thank you.

They don’t talk on forum’s. It’s part of their guild’s policy. But they transferred from SoS to Seafarer’s Rest on EU side. Then they decided to come back before transfers cost money for various reasons. That’s all there is to it tbh.

Although their guild leader did post an extremely arrogant letter on the T2 forum the week they migrated to SoS.

split.3659:

Let this be a reminder to the members of SoR, whether you have been on the server from day one, are a recent transfer, or just new to the forums. We ask that you refrain from using derogatory chat toward our opponents or anyone else for that matter. If you wish to express your thoughts while under the effects of frustration, anger, or any other emotion, please remember that your actions represent our server.

As for an example, many of the SoR lifers that frequent the forums will not belittle, put down, or insult other players with deliberate intentions. Although we have a competitive spirit and perhaps a level of disdain for our enemies, we still show the respect that is due to the members of the GW2 community. We do this, and we ask that the members of SoR do the same.

Forum wars are useless. Leave your enemies bloody on the battlefield, and they won’t do any kitten talking on the forums if they are actually a force worthy of contending with.

The idea that an individual posting represents his or her server is a load of crap.

SoPP.7034:

NargofWoV.4267:

It is still funny that ever since JQ took the top spot, this is an issue, where as, SoS had no problems with holding on to Tier 1 for months.

Before free transfers closed SoS was a significant force that was usually guaranteed victory. That’s why we see so many QQ posts now. A portion of those people on SoS where there because they expected to win.

Now anyone with any foresight could see that JQ had done a much better job at recruiting guilds then most. I guess the kicker at this stage is that you couldn’t quantify that until after free transfers closed.

So those people that expected the instant win are now stuck contemplating either to use gems to transfer or quitting (I’m sure we don’t mind if they quit).

ArenaNet has already announced that significant changes are coming in March. So if you want people to take you seriously, tone down on the QQ posts and wait to see what ArenaNet does in March before you start the QQ again.

ArenaNet has been in the MMO industry for many years now, they seem to be pretty good at giving people what they want. So everyone just take a chill pill and stop the QQ, if the current match ups bother you go get some sunshine.

“Significant changes.” Oh joy and happiness.

One can easily envision a wvwvw world in which players who participate at times when server populations on a map are reasonably well-balanced will be reasonably well rewarded; players who participate on a map when server populations are grossly unbalanced and are on the out-manned buff side will be richly rewarded; and players who participate on a map on the side that can turn that, most or all of the maps a single colour without thinking about it will get what they so richly deserve. And more power to them.

Decklan.7540:

To anyone who wants to know, a canard is a synonym for a lie.

It’s generally used by people to mask their lack of an argument behind the pages of a thesaurus.

A canard is a belief in something that is not true — my intended meaning. If I had wanted to use the word lie or liar, I would have used it. Get a better thesaurus.

covenn.7165:

oldephartte.4369:

This issue about the value of people’s time is a canard. Plain and simple. It’s not about the value of people’s time. That’s just a diversion from the larger issue that populations from different regions, which by virtue of there being servers divided into two regions Anet acknowledges, need to be better balanced across all the servers in the region, just like Anet doesn’t allow all the North American players on just one or two servers.

I don’t know who you are and I don’t care, but could you please stop posting about this? The only thing you are accomplishing is making our server look like a bunch of tools.

Simple answer. As I’ve noticed in the past that you do, I’ll continue to speak my mind when I believe it is merited. It’s how we hope to bring improvement to the game.

This issue about the value of people’s time is a canard. Plain and simple. It’s not about the value of people’s time. That’s just a diversion from the larger issue that populations from different regions, which by virtue of there being servers divided into two regions Anet acknowledges, need to be better balanced across all the servers in the region, just like Anet doesn’t allow all the North American players on just one or two servers.

oldephartte.4369:

Nuked.2360:

oldephartte.4369:

Nuked.2360:

oldephartte.4369:

Then set up some system whereby populations from areas outside a server’s region are balanced out among all the servers or population capped or integrated into a regions’s servers in some kind of balance that prevents the one-sided kind of rudeness (for lack of a better term) that is currently occurring.

How is it rude? No one’s time is more important than someone elses. There was 4-5 months of Free transfers where you could have recruited to fill the gaps you have. Sorry you didn’t recruit well enough to get the coverage but arguements like this might have contributed to the current situation you find yourself in. Respect everyone’s time and win the battles you can.

The implication that I am suggestion anyone’s time is more valuable than anyone else’s is a vile canard.

What happens over night on North American servers has nothing to do with game play, gearing, strategy, etc. It has everything to do with a geographical anomaly that needs to be addressed.

Or at least discussed without getting rude.

So any guild that plays while your asleep is inferior to you? That is quite offensive to a large number of players. Considering FOO and some of the Oceanics/SEA’s I have fought with and against have some of the best players I’ve ever faced.

Whoa. Here comes another canard. Inferior. Where do you get that from? Have a chat with Dr. Phil. But don’t go attributing what may be your attitudes and values to me.

There is an imbalance. Everyone seems to acknowledge it. It impacts the game in ways I doubt were intended. So fix it.

Nuked.2360:

oldephartte.4369:

Then set up some system whereby populations from areas outside a server’s region are balanced out among all the servers or population capped or integrated into a regions’s servers in some kind of balance that prevents the one-sided kind of rudeness (for lack of a better term) that is currently occurring.

How is it rude? No one’s time is more important than someone elses. There was 4-5 months of Free transfers where you could have recruited to fill the gaps you have. Sorry you didn’t recruit well enough to get the coverage but arguements like this might have contributed to the current situation you find yourself in. Respect everyone’s time and win the battles you can.

The implication that I am suggestion anyone’s time is more valuable than anyone else’s is a vile canard.

What happens over night on North American servers has nothing to do with game play, gearing, strategy, etc. It has everything to do with a geographical anomaly that needs to be addressed.

Or at least discussed without getting rude.

Then set up some system whereby populations from areas outside a server’s region are balanced out among all the servers or population capped or integrated into a regions’s servers in some kind of balance that prevents the one-sided kind of rudeness (for lack of a better term) that is currently occurring.

sazaw.1347:

BrockMcCleery.9562:

oldephartte.4369:

The question needs to be asked, “Is JQ truly a North American server?”

Maybe WvW needs to be restricted to say 6:00 a.m. – midnight Pacific.

That’s 18 hours of potential game play and 6 hours to rest.

If this is inconvenient for players outside the North American time zones, then their own regional servers would be available.

This is actually the only viable solution. WvW should really be restricted to 16-18 hours of play, based US or EU sets of servers. It has its problems but I think that overall it would help make WvW better.

For instance, it would immediately make a number of servers much more competitive.

This kind of suggestion is rude to players from other time zones. Anet clearly stated that no player time is valuable than other.

Not rude at all. Just a simple solution to a problem that was probably not anticipated and needs to be addressed. Or why even bother having European and North American servers.

Maybe that’s the solution. Just have universal servers. Or have universal. North American. And European. But they way it’s working now is beyond rude to North American players. Way beyond rude.

The question needs to be asked, “Is JQ truly a North American server?”

Maybe WvW needs to be restricted to say 6:00 a.m. – midnight Pacific.

That’s 18 hours of potential game play and 6 hours to rest.

If this is inconvenient for players outside the North American time zones, then their own regional servers would be available.

Rackhir Tanelorn.9123:

oldephartte.4369:

I have a dream. Bring back free, no waiting period transfers.

Just out of curiosity, why?

The V in wVwVw was over in about 30 minutes last night. Anything would be better than what’s happening now.

I have a dream. Bring back free, no waiting period transfers.

Cover Girl.2580:

oldephartte.4369:

Simple fact. When things got rough for SoR, we didn’t bail en mass. We learned to respect each other, especially a solid core of our commanders, and we learned a lot about the strengths and weaknesses of our various guilds and how to turn that to our advantage. There are legitimate questions and concerns about the character of the guilds that have joined us en mass, how they will fit in with our style of play, and especially will they stick it out when the going gets rough. In a nutshell, if they want our respect they are going to have to earn it.

I’ve remained unusually silent this week as I am aware of the feelings and emotions running high from each of the servers and as I respect all 3, I didn’t want to cause any undue heartache. However this post rubs me wrong in every way possible, and I feel the need to address it.
Let me start out by saying that the decision to leave SBI was NOT an easy decision for ANY guild involved. We had meetings after meetings, and discussed matters round the clock, and literally exhausted every possible scenario before coming to the conclusion of what was best for each of us and our respective guilds. The name of this game is Guild Wars 2, not server wars, and it was either transition to a new server, and keep our guilds active, or stay ‘loyal’ and lose the entire guild to attrition and burnout. Stormbluff Isle was an amazing server full of amazing people, and during our prime, we were unmatched by few. Since the decision of many well known guilds to leave SBI was universally shocking, and tantamount to the shot heard round the world, I understand the mixed feelings by many, but to say that SBI players are en mass bailers, and are going to have to work double time to earn respect from one player because we were recruited to bolster a community that we all agreed was amazing, and would enjoy playing for tremendously. I will not apologize for this, nor will any guild that transferred to another server to better themselves, or that server. Neither will I stand by and be put on trial because you are unhappy new players came to your server. We have been welcomed by the biggest and best guilds SOR has to offer, and have enjoyed ourselves getting to know your players, and playstyles, and can honestly say we have been revitalized by the friendly and helpful atmosphere shown to us so far. I understand that your bitter opinion and standoffishness does not convey the feelings of the entire server, but the continued digs at those of us that worked our collective kittens off day in and day out are uncalled for and breed a divide on us vs them mentality. SOR is a community, and we are part of it. The sooner you accept that , the sooner we can move forward to making this a place that welcomes anyone, no matter where they came from, and an unstoppable force in WVW. Please, for the sake of the community, stop treating those people that made the hardest decision of their ingame lives, as if we are second class citizens. Just because we were soldiers in another country doesn’t make us better or worse than your soldiers.

My two cents.

CG

I take back all I said. I didn’t realize that the “biggest and best guilds SOR has to offer” have welcomed you. Wow. The “best”! Awesome. I’ll say no more.

Simple fact. When things got rough for SoR, we didn’t bail en mass. We learned to respect each other, especially a solid core of our commanders, and we learned a lot about the strengths and weaknesses of our various guilds and how to turn that to our advantage. There are legitimate questions and concerns about the character of the guilds that have joined us en mass, how they will fit in with our style of play, and especially will they stick it out when the going gets rough. In a nutshell, if they want our respect they are going to have to earn it.

A tier up or down you mildly advantage one server and mildly disadvantage another. Same server transfer and the advantage and disadvantage are doubled. So our victories now are a bit tainted now. Especially when it seems to have happened en mass. So make that a lot tainted, if not exactly evil. And it certainly gives us a distorted view of our worth.

If any of the guilds invited to our server, by whom and by what authority I have no clue, if they were invited from servers in our tier and likely to be in our tier the week after the invitation, that’s just bone ugly evil.

Budd. SoR has been there and done that over and over again. Guess what? We didn’t take a break. We got better. Now it’s paying dividends. Some good some bad. But take a break you’ll eventually drop on the tier then from the tier. And as Allen Tousaint (sp) said in his oft covered song, “The people that you met on your way up, you will meet on your way down.” Or words to that effect.

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LOL. Same old same old. Remember how we wept tears of blood when PRX joined SOS and … But that was then and this is now. And SOR is apparently the beneficiary. I suspect that even after it’s pay to transfer, this will still be an issue for whichever server is the flavour of the week. So I guess we just learn to live with it. Although, upon careful reflection, there is something wrong, something tacky about transferring from and to a server in the same tier. No beyond tacky. As C. Jung would say, “It stains the psyche so deeply and indelibly that all the bleach in the world will never wash it clean.” Or so it seems to me.