Guild Wars 2

now it has no lag for me, just for now… cant expect what will happen next 1-2 hrs…

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNAQNAT8YjMqUxaDLusQ1ag8gadAkArdzjYbZewnwAqA-TFCEwAtU/JuuntKBZq8zwVAQyBBg3+DAeABBAQA25NTntZASBwkwI-w

I use this build and it’s very fine for roaming or running with zerg. But you have to master sword skills, learn and get used to it. You will never have a problem when 1vs1 or small group fight in wvw because you can run away all the times with sword skill#2,3 and dagger skill#4, use the skills wisely to avoid enemy’s skills while running away.

The most class that I have a problem with is the skilled thief players because they have mobility that can catch you faster than others class while you’re running away, so you have to play carefully when you encounter them. Conditions is the problem too but
you can handle by healing spring.

+1 same here. I can’t really play it anymore today, so much laggy after patched game.
anet, please hurry to fix it.

notabot.3497:

The attack value stat that shows up in game and on that editor isn’t a real measure of offense. There is another editor that shows the effective offensive ability much better. Your damage is a quite a bit below par, even for a necro. Your trait choices are fairly terrible. Your wells aren’t really wanted due to protection not being required for regular dungeons or low/mid fractals, and they are annoying dark fields.

“balanced” build is another way of saying party load as far as I’m concerned.
You don’t need high life or armor if you are any good. I’m not any good with necro (its my 5th character in terms of play time) but I can stay up in full dps meta. They have plenty of survival built into them as is. Since necros are correctly understood to be underwhelming for dungeons, you need to be good and max damage to even equal to the average pug zerker.

I completely understand why groups kick necro players, as most are like most ranger players: Fairly horrible and don’t know their class/refuse to play in a way that works for group play. I personally won’t kick somebody for being necro, or second a kick vote. But I won’t complain or have issue if somebody else does it. Because unlike a good ranger who is correctly traited (spotter+frost spirit, melee weapons, and dps pets), the same thing on necro still doesn’t provide anything in particular that another class can’t offer. To give you an idea where I am, I will kick staff guardians without giving them a chance but will give a necro or ranger a chance to prove themselves (usually for a whole run, but I’ll kick before running the next path), and I never kick engineers.

thank you for your advice. looks like i have to turn back to be more damages build that i used to use T-T

robertul.3679:

You play a necro don’t you?

LOL Yes, I do. I used to play with many thieves in fotm. They’re really good for dredge map.

All i can tell you is thief is good for dredge map, so very useful

Here this is my build for pve

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fQAQNBIhZakRrSPUzTjfPBIzA7nnU494xMGeZA-jgxAYfBxEYR0YbDFRjVXjpcHiqKGGA-e

You can see my necro stats on the balance, still pretty high dmg , life , armor.
That makes my necro do everything and i can support party a little bit with wells
than provide protection.

I hope you understand my point. I just want my necro stats on balance and survival.
And I always know that staff has low dps. In dungeon and outside i always use dagger
(or axe up to situations)/warhorn. Staff just for trash mob and gaining vital force from long range.

But if it has some balance builds that better than mine. You can guide me thank you

Izaya.2906:

Necro’s are okay-ish, but op, the build you’re using doesn’t exactly give meaningful contribution to a party compared to other options available & you would probably still get kicked if they can inspect your traits/gear.

You are using a lackluster weapon(staff) & wasted trait points for it plus Wells too when you could’ve chosen an offhand Focus instead(more vuln) and damage modifiers traits to improve your DPS.

Don’t get me wrong, I run the same trait setup but only for WvW zerging where Staff & Wells have great utility, but for dungeons you are just dead weight compared to other avaible options.

Also, the utilities you are traiting for(wells for vuln/blind, staff for chill?) can be done with ease by other classes running meta damage builds so there is no reason to bring you to a group when your are doing less damage and bringing less support.

The least you can do is shoot for max damage(20/25/0/0/25 or 30/25/0/0/15) while not ignoring the available support you can give(untraited well, focus, wh, maybe weakness if you’re running 25 SR).

In dungeon, I rarely use staff. Mostly dagger all times and i carry axe too, to swtich when it’s hard to do melee.

this trait build that I use ‘cause my gears are almost all zerker so I don’t want my necro lack of armor and life so that’s why I use 0/25/25/20/0 . Also I can use this triat build for WvW.

p.s. now I’m trying DS cri 100% build.just in progress.

robertul.3679:

Necro is borderline useless in groups. A well built necro like 30/25/0/0/15 or maybe 20/25/0/0/25(I don’t know which is better honestly) is obviously better than the average staff healer guardian or shoutheal warrior. But if we assume everybody runs meta or close to it other classes are way better. Necro has no cleave on their max dps weapon. Actually they have almost no cleave at all on autos.
The guy was super polite so I don’t get why you’re so upset. Also your build looks terribad.
On a happier note, in my 3-day experience with necro I have never been kicked from Arah. I can almost feel their resent though. But then, I don’t really get carried.
Also because you didn’t censor the name your post will be deleted soon.

you know what all that builds that u said I used to play it all……
And you said the guy polite for me. he kicked me 2 times without the begining of run throught dungeon and without whispered to me why he kicked me. And i had to whisper to him… Is this polite?

p.s. and about photo i’m gonna take it out. i forgot to censor his name sorry for that.

Sacrai.6280:

onizaki.7240:

laokoko.7403:

onizaki.7240:

laokoko.7403:

staff is bad dps right? and dagger can’t cleave right? So honestly that’s the only thing I hate about power necro.

i always carry axe too up to situations. But u know dagger is great dps weapon for me
when stacking at boss and warhorn use for support and siphon life from loust swarm. Staff, it’s useful for kill trash mob combo with well. don’t forget death shroud too

I’m not an expert at the game. But power necro “do have less consistent” aoe than the other class right? Other class can just auto attack and do more aoe damage than necro.

That’s really the only thing I dislike about necro. That and condition can’t go over 25 stack, and condition do no damage against structure.

“Other class can just auto attack and do more aoe damge than necro”
Are you sure? Did you used to stand on well of suffering for 6 seconds when power necro use it? Just try it u will know what i mean.

but about conditions i agree with u. it’s suck on PVE. i tried T-T

I used to main a power necro in full zerker. Well of suffering ticks between 2k and 4k depending on how you’re traited. Thats about the average damage of a DPS warrior axe auto-attack. The sixth blow of the auto-attack chain even doubles this, so yes, you are providing an under average DPS, while bringing no utility to the party AND covering the floor with a sub-optimal combo field.

I feel sorry for you because I lived everything you are experiencing, from not wanting to go zerker to trying to prove necros can get the job done. In the end, if we are speaking optimization and speed runs, necros don’t belong in a group. If you want to talk about this further, my MP’s open.

thank you , about well of suffering i mean for PVE it’s good ‘cause it can stack vulunable
pretty well than make party’s dps go higher.

And no matter what happen i still play necro as my main character.

laokoko.7403:

onizaki.7240:

laokoko.7403:

staff is bad dps right? and dagger can’t cleave right? So honestly that’s the only thing I hate about power necro.

i always carry axe too up to situations. But u know dagger is great dps weapon for me
when stacking at boss and warhorn use for support and siphon life from loust swarm. Staff, it’s useful for kill trash mob combo with well. don’t forget death shroud too

I’m not an expert at the game. But power necro “do have less consistent” aoe than the other class right? Other class can just auto attack and do more aoe damage than necro.

That’s really the only thing I dislike about necro. That and condition can’t go over 25 stack, and condition do no damage against structure.

“Other class can just auto attack and do more aoe damge than necro”
Are you sure? Did you used to stand on well of suffering for 6 seconds when power necro use it? Just try it u will know what i mean.

but about conditions i agree with u. it’s suck on PVE. i tried T-T

laokoko.7403:

staff is bad dps right? and dagger can’t cleave right? So honestly that’s the only thing I hate about power necro.

i always carry axe too up to situations. But u know dagger is great dps weapon for me
when stacking at boss and warhorn use for support and siphon life from loust swarm. Staff, it’s useful for kill trash mob combo with well. don’t forget death shroud too

Brutal Arts.6307:

My opinion on necro’s in dungeons is that they’re awful in all respects and outclassed in everything they do save applying weakness.
Furthermore that build is pretty awful. Even with a good build Necro DPS falls short of real DPS like and ele or thief. Try adopting the build featured http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgRH-tiRSjU

I don’t want to use full zerker or less life and armor so that’s why I use this trait build.
I can still do high dps and still stay alive last longer. I don’t have any problems with mobs, ’cause of well and mark

Druss.6917:

Depends on the dungeon you were trying to do. Necros are mediocre in most dungeons but not terrible. They can do speed runs in the easier ones, but dungeons like arah that are riddled with 1 shots unless you have ample blocks/invades/invulnerabilities, ect you will become a liability and slow the team down. People that speed run are going for maximum speed and effectiveness, so if you make them take 2 mins longer than they want, they get mad. Dungeons are just not designed with necros in mind at all. They are designed around boon heavy classes and warriors. That doesn’t mean they can’t be done with a necro, but you’re not going to do efficient speed runs and unfortunately, rude people like the one you ran into care only about shaving off as much time as possible and will kick you for no reason. This is why if you run necro and want a dungeon group you always:

• advertise it yourself and enter the dungeon FIRST
• advertise in big capital letters NO SPEED RUN (although this only works 25% of the time as people just spam click join and never bother to even read which path much less whether it’s a speed run or not)
• or just don’t run necro and don’t worry about getting kicked from groups.

It’s a sad truth about the state of the class, but it is as much the community’s fault as the poor design of the class itself. Get used to it, I doubt it will change anytime soon.

Actually I never wanna run a very long dungeon like Arah or others dungeon path that
have to use very long times. It’s just easy path. That was the first time that i had to be kicked out with a stupid reason(being a necro!!! ) even if it didn’t begin running ,
so very rude. I couldnt even prove that I can speed run at easy SE path 1.

2 days ago, I tried to find party via LFG to run SE path 1. I found 1 party so i got
in and waited until we had 5 people in party to run but then someone kicked me
out of party. i thought it was misunderstood or something. So i went back to LFG
and that party was still advising so i got in again but i was kicked out suddenly. So i whispered someone that seemed to be a leader. and he told me he kicked me out
‘cause i’m a necro.

What a mess!!! He didn’t know what my necro build or stat.

I’m a power mark-wellmancer. 0/25/25/20/0 even if I don’t have power trait but
my dagger/warhorn atk is 3100 and my staff atk is 3300 with armor 2600(dagger/
warhorn) , 2500(staff) and my life 20k. And I can support party with well that
can use target arear.

I use dagger/warhorn + staff. i can run as others class run. My dagger autoskill 1’s dps can beat many classes with many builds. I don’t know why he think every necro
suck at running dungeons. this thing disturb me all times while i’m playing GW2.

that’s why I make this thread and I wanna know about your opinions about necro
in dungeon.