Guild Wars 2

It would be extremely unlikely that someone somewhere uses my passwords and as far as I know, my passwors have never been stolen, accounts hacked, etc. I would rather lay it on some sort of false positive guess in the algorithm. Or, I have to accept the fact, that someone among GW2 players had/has the same password. The problem is, I’m not getting any information back, what’s wrong with the password, there’s no tooltip, nothing.

I’ll try some more passwords.

I’ve been trying to create an account today, but to no avail. I’ve tried different browsers. No matter what I do, it always bounces back and higlights the password field (“Must be at least 8 characters long and unique”), as if there was an error there, but no message is given. My passwords are way above 8 chars and are, by all means, unique. Annoyed, I’ve tried very simple ones or very kittenes, but nothing is passing through, so it must be a serverside bug?

It seems that you can reposition some of UI elements, although in quite weird way. You can grab resize handle of chat and minimap and when you drag it up, the component changes place. The problem with this is that this action is not reversible. I’ve accidentally dragged my map to the top (above quest log) and now I’m unable to bring it back down, which is extremely annoying.

Haaalp!

Internet is not a place for a remote psychoanalysis, so your comment is a bit inappropriate.

If you’ve read the whole thread, you would learn that the issue is complex and has several aspects to it. I don’t want to “help” my friend, I want “play with” my friend, on equal terms, because that’s something that was “sort of” promised. If I want to just use the old model, I always have WoW. Lecturing others on how to play support role is just rude.

Summarizing, because it is slowly going nowhere. ArenaNet, couple of thoughts from this thread for ya:
- the most popular way to play together (with lowbie) and have fun for both parties is to go to area unknown to both. Pro: adventure. Con: out of story, out of place, out of context.
- downleveled characters are still very powerful and even on average same level, can do massive damage. This asks them to not attack or attack rarely, or switch entirely into support role, which might not be fun for everyone.
- lack of heart visibility after they’re done is an actual issue. A fix that would still show the heart text in quest log would be very welcome (could be a UI switch or enabled only in parties where some members don’t have these hearts yet). Heck, I can even pass on extra karma, the xp from mob killing is probably ok. But just allow me to see what this heart was all about, so that I can better help my friend without her stopping and describing what to do (breaks gameplay) or just me following blindly and killing what she targets. There could be also some sort of “quest text” sharing, via chat. Quality of life, that.

Please read my other answers before you reply. It does not hurt.

Maybe. So far I, with right utility, good mobility and certain trait balance, D/D Ele is melting through things in no time. So far I did not notice any change in that pattern. I should probably mention that I’m minmaxer from WoW and it’s quite possible that I’m playing the strongest build and using it most effectively. I certainly put a lot of testing and calculation behind this.

I’ve complained about the general play with lowbie experience – and there are lots of things that influence it. First is the inability to take part in my friend’s experience and I’m mainly talking hearts here. Without seeing hearts, I cannot help, because I just don’t know what to do or I cannot do anything to help (heart mechanics is disabled for me). Second is the downlevel illusion – yes, I’m downleveled but I’m still significantly stronger, which means that there’s no point in pretending “lookie, we’re still equal so we can have a challenge”.

Yes, going to other area is a solution, but not a perfect one. I would imagine my friend would like to play in Sylvari zones, as this is the reason she rolled Sylvari. Going to other area feels out of focus, out of home and awkward, especially at the beginning.

Again, I do realize this is a complex problem – and so far I haven’t encountered MMO that solves this right. Mostly, because developers still feel that this is insignificant problem (“kittenjust roll another alt and play it”), which is bizarre, given the realities of friend MMO play (never synced).

I hoped GW2 could fix this, but it didn’t. It has the same issues as every other MMO out there. Which is not really a whine, but a slight shade of disappointment for a MMO that was advertised to bring a lot of quality of life and social feel to the game.

Yeah that was a little bit silly question I forgot that in GW2 levels are there on map in game. I thought you went for wiki or external sources to gather this data.

I don’t think you understand what the problem is. You’re trying to push me to a specific “backstage” role of healer / buffer and you’re telling me that it should be fun. It’s not. I don’t want to be crippled and pushed to these roles, just so that I can play with my friend. All this reasoning really boils down to “just attack less, be more passive and use this passiveness to help friend, maybe”. It’s not about gamestyle, it’s about what the game has to offer for me to overcome these problems. Yes, I always can just go for healing. But it suddenly is no longer fun for me. I have 8 years of playing Druid Healer in WoW dungeons and raids. I liked healing, but I’m done with it. If I ever want it again, I’ll just go back to WoW, because it’s perfect there. In GW2 I want this equality everyone keeps talking about.

Morrigan, you said “Our solution has been to pick a lvl appropriate for him on a map that neither of us have been to before- there are surprisingly many to choose from.”. How do you actually do that? Just look at some map with lvls on it and pick the area?

It won’t as I play at my own pace and level up my character too :/ It was always a problem in all MMO’s before – that if you want to play with friends you have to synchronize your game time and always play and do stuff together to remain on the same page. But it’s terribly limiting and frustrating in actual world, and never works. Some people lag, some people are just too eager to go further. But, by then, the sync is gone and you cannot do the same quests, etc. etc.

Yes, I can help kill the mobs – sigh – I’ve described what happens when I try to help – it’s just 3 secs of pure madness and then dead bodies on the floor.

I just wish there was some kind of “leader” system. If I’m in party leaded by my friend, I could perceive the world from both points, mine and leader’s. So the heart would say: you’ve done this, but leader didn’t, so you can still do this with him if you wish so. This would be a solution for this problem. Not sure if this is a breach for some kind of grind or exploiting, but I’m sure there could be some rules around that (like no money / karma as a reward, or substantially smaller amount, xp is still the same though).

Thanks Deans, that might be a good solution., actually. As for others, yeah, you clearly don’t have the same problem I have.

I’ve also discovered that even downleveled, my utility skills and traits make a HUGE difference. As an D/D Ele I can faceroll through 6 mobs being downleveled to the same level as my friend is, yet she’s struggling as a Me to kill just one/two mobs. So the downleveling doesn’t really make any difference, other than the fact that I don’t have infinite health. What this means, is that I feel like an intruder when playing with my friend, because it’s not fun at all for her to see me killing everything in few secs, while she brings little to the game. I literally have to limit myself and not burst so many attacks, so that she can have some fighting too. It’s no longer her accomplishment or team accomplishment, it’s just me. Which is just the same old problem of high level player helping lowbies.

What I was trying to say is that (apparently, correct me if I’m wrong) GW2 did not solve the problem here, though they advertised they did. So I have my char downleveled, so what? I still can’t really play with my friend. In WoW there are repeatable quests or quests that can be shared. I was hoping for GW2 to introduce something new and refreshing here and I guess I’m somewhat disappointed. Let’s see how this will work out, once they stop fighting with hackers and bugs and can concentrate on bringing new features.

This is after all a RPG game, not a glorified Diablo. I know that people like to hack and slash mobs and get loot, but I was under impression that the immersion and story matters in this kind of games.

I have a 24 lvl Sylvari. My friend has 10 lvl Sylvari. Whenever she logs in, I’m trying to play with her, but we’ve found it’s … difficult. We’re going through Caledon Forest, but:

a) I have done all the hearts, so when she approaches them, I don’t see them, I don’t know what to do and cannot really help (most of heart related stuff is gone for me)
b) There’s limit to how far we can go with story mode – she obviously has to level up to go for higher parts.
c) We have to run around the map to hunt for dynamic events – which is not always what we want. If we bump into one, that’s fine, but if not – there’s still nothing I can do to help.

Sure, we can go to see some vistas, etc. but that’s not enough for casual friend play. This turns into not so pleasant “i’ll just follow you and you keep telling me what I should do for you, if I can actually help”.

This is delicate problem and I realize it’s hard to fix. I could roll in new alt, but let’s put that away for the sake of the argument – after all it was a GW2 feat to downlevel char to make this possible. Is there a way to re-do the hearts with other player? From the time-continuum it wouldn’t make sense (I’ve already helped and they know me), but there are many tradeoffs in GW2 for the “quality of life” (like the instant mail out of thin air, for example), so this is not something that cannot be tweaked in future.

I would like to ask Arenanet about the intended gameplay in this situation and what improvements could happen in the future to help with this. Also, I would like to ask others, how do you play with your friends, that have lower lvl chars. Maybe we’re doing something wrong and it’s a matter of approach (PvP is ruled out though), but it’s simply not fun currently. Just the downleveling is not enough. Make me part of my friend’s gameplay, not a burden that is dragged behind.

I actually agree. Getting email instantly feels weird an out of place. The money in the letter is amount that is hardly “important” for your game progress, so I doubt it really matters when you will get it. But story-wise, getting mail sometime later makes more sense. Obviously, best of both worlds, would be to allow player to decide – if he wants the finish instantly, he can go to that heart person and talk to him, get the praise and money and maybe the mail without money later. If he doesn’t want to talk to heart, just send him the mail with money in 5-30 min range.

Ah, I see. It could be fixed by now. I’ve skimmed through the dialog options in at least several paths, so I think it’s unlikely that I did not bump into this bug. Still possible, but that chances for it are slim.

I’m probably missing something, but you do not seem to describe properly what you’re problem really is/was. Did you do something and the result was not what you expect?

For what its worth, I’ve done this quest few days ago and nothing seemed wrong with it. After the story talk, you have your own time to decide – you can talk to all representatives, ask them about their orders, their solutions and what they think about solutions of others. Once you’ve decided, you engage into talk with one of them and lead the dialog to the place where you clearly say something like “Ok, let’s do it your way” and it has a different dialogue icon so that you know it triggers a decision.