Guild Wars 2

Just now noticing this issue. Do not see that others have reported so I do not know if this is account based or just me.

In reviewing my WvW skill allocation points I noted that 60% of the catagories had been reset. I have enough points to max out them all so in an attempt to reallocate points out I found that I could not do this. (see attachment).

Anyone else having such problems and how do I get Anet to look into this issue?

Kudos on this thread!

[T2 – NA] – I have put thought both into the pro’s and con’s of the lack of white swords and generally at this point would prefer to have them back.

Reasons: The lack of white swords has turned this WVW game into an exercise of flipping objectives. This has really taken away from the idea of defending a position.

I realize that the white swords only gave a few moments, and in the heat of some battles sometimes would go overlooked anyways due to the defense of other objects, however this was a means to give the defending team a view of movements on the maps without having to have roamers and scouts splinter about the map. The lack of white swords more adversely affects those T3 and below where the difference in community numbers begin to really become different between the top team and the other two.

I am for the return of the white sword as it does give a slight alarm. It does not necessarily determine the success/failure of the taking of the structure (a quick ninja attack of an undefended structure will happen regardless of the swords). What it does provide is some means to give the defending team a 30-60 second window to decide if it is worth responding to.

Again this is merely one opinion.

Speaking for Sorrows Furnace

• Attack Squirrel – if following on voice he is very precise and clear on directions and
  when followed is a great tactician. I have seen many good battles
  won tactically by this gent.

• Tiberious of Elona – Is able to make quick decisions and keep the action rolling.
  Solid decision and normally a good base to accomplish his task.

• Banjo Rodriguez – Is always fun to follow and has good people skills leading to a
  good following.

• pbbruce – Always solid commander with a great guild following. I commend this
  commanders willingness to assist other teams in the many other maps
  that comprise WvW. This is a true community minded commander.

• Khold Heart – Another very stable, solid commander. He is very good at setting goals,
  maintaining awareness of his surroundings, and leading his troops to
  victory with the given available resources.

These are just opinions and each have their own strengths. My hats off to you my friends. Job well done on a daily basis.

Jeknar.6184:

rcelbrechter.8947:

From my perspective the difference this week has been the efforts of ET. This is not to discount the fantastic coordination, turnout, and effort of DH. Truly this win is yours and is one to be celebrated. I wish I had a screen shot of the end of Monday evening to back this up so take this with the grain of salt I know it will.

Monday on EB I saw our squad fight off Zergs alternating from the DH side and then the ET side. We would stop the threat, and minorly take back a few of the losses before the zerg from the other side would come sweeping down. After a few hours of this action it seemingly becomes obvious. The pressure asserted by ET certainly prevented our ability to focus our attention of whom we consider the the point leader. Monday also closed with ET pushing SF totally off of EB. A review of the map at that stage saw the SF borderlands riddled with color while the ET borderland was mostly untouched. With this kind of effort by ET why are they still behind in the point count. I leave this to speculation. I will say that one snapshot moment in time does not represent the whole.

rcelbrechter.8947:

Truthfully, this may be a small element of the composite of what has SF (in second this week).. not losing. A big part of this is what seems to be a focused effort by the two servers we are playing. It is hard to play against two servers that are on their “A” game and focused on a single objective.

I do not see the anger you see. Merely the reality of the fact that we won 3rd place in the bronze league. We will learn to be better yet IMHO.

I beg your pardon sir, but are you saying that SF is losing for ET’s fault?

If you are rellying on the 3rd server to win, you’re doing it wrong…

With all due respect Jekar, please do review what I wrote. It was a compliment on the efforts of ET, and no disrespect to the hard work put forth by DH. Rather a combination of these two elements. In the end both servers felt that SF was the greater threat and we became the focus.

Even if we drop the 30K+ points and lose this one match, game over. We win 3rd place in the league and no server can take that away. That is all that is being said.

Sorrows Furnace has nothing to be ashamed of. Season well played.

Azreell.1568:

ptitminou.6489:

bob.8632:

My point was and is, the “screw the small groups/roamers, basically anyone that doesn’t wanna ball up and play scoreboard/ppt” mentality is the reason why SF will not/does not get many transfers.

There are servers with Very High pops that even in bronze and silver get transfers. But on SF you have this mentality that gets published on these forums like: “our way or the highway”.

At the end of the day I only brought it up because you are more likely to get small guilds transfer down from higher tiers than you are to get 1 big oceanic guild. But when you say things like “we are getting rid of the solo people” it makes people think that all you do is zerg and to be on SF you have to zerg, etc.

Which is a bad way to entice people.

Well if we had somethign other than an 1800 gem cost for transfer, which is the same as the #1 rank, perhaps it would be different. 22$ per player to go play on a bronze tier server with a lack of coverage simply makes it a bad investment, especially when looking at the others with the same price. Its pointless to try and attract the solo player when we’re trying to build competent teams. I would rather fail then get a ton of people that just tell us to kitten off like the pugs do atm. When I want to play solo, I go here: http://www.lichess.org – you know, a game that is meant to be played solo…

Your statement is exactly SF’s problem.

Not everyone wants to join the zerg nor is the zerg only tactic a viable way to win as this season has proven to you.

WvW is won by zergs, smaller teams and solo roamers.

You need them all to win – not just one.

Your tunnel-visioned grasp on our problem being zerg has clouded your ability to see what the previous writer has said. There are merits to his mention at the prospects of transfers to our server being limited due to the cost. Why transfer to a bronze server when the cost to transfer to a silver or gold with better time coverage is the same. Therein is the nugget of truth that is worth the mention.

Small groups do have a place and I like to run solo camp captures as well but that is a minor element in our problem. It is not the single most damaging factor as you would have us believe. Lets look at a larger slice of the pie.

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Why get so angry/annoyed.?

This has nothing to do with “me feeling important” This has everything to do with SF’s zerg only mentality and that is the primary reason you are loosing.

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Truthfully, this may be a small element of the composite of what has SF (in second this week).. not losing. A big part of this is what seems to be a focused effort by the two servers we are playing. It is hard to play against two servers that are on their “A” game and focused on a single objective.

I do not see the anger you see. Merely the reality of the fact that we won 3rd place in the bronze league. We will learn to be better yet IMHO.

For one I have not come to grips why the SF bashing goes on. I think we as a server have made improvements over the course of the league and despite the last few tough weeks have had fun trying to compete. I fully believe that we have learned much from our associated bronze level servers and respect their efforts as well.

From my perspective the difference this week has been the efforts of ET. This is not to discount the fantastic coordination, turnout, and effort of DH. Truly this win is yours and is one to be celebrated. I wish I had a screen shot of the end of Monday evening to back this up so take this with the grain of salt I know it will.

Monday on EB I saw our squad fight off Zergs alternating from the DH side and then the ET side. We would stop the threat, and minorly take back a few of the losses before the zerg from the other side would come sweeping down. After a few hours of this action it seemingly becomes obvious. The pressure asserted by ET certainly prevented our ability to focus our attention of whom we consider the the point leader. Monday also closed with ET pushing SF totally off of EB. A review of the map at that stage saw the SF borderlands riddled with color while the ET borderland was mostly untouched. With this kind of effort by ET why are they still behind in the point count. I leave this to speculation. I will say that one snapshot moment in time does not represent the whole.

All that being said, I do believe that you will continue to get effort from SF. I also believe that if we have accepted that we can not obtain a win in this match, then we also have come to accept that there is no other server able to take away our third place victory. This has been a great season with the minor exception of the SF hate that has played out on many of the threads.

Great season HOD and congrats on the Bronze 1st place finish. Also fantastic effort DH on your 2nd place berth. I do not believe this in any way diminishes SF position at winning 3rd place in this league.

quickflash.6314:

rcelbrechter.8947:

quickflash.6314:

I was talking about sf /depression

Well except for my screenshot on the ET guys leaving the 4 omegas outside instead of bringing them in to support there ground troops. Feel free to tell me how that was an awesome idea

SF Depression?? Are we depressed??
Oh… I get it… We are supposed to be depressed. ah~! OK

Poor troll attempt more creation please . Then resubmit

No Troll.. Just truth.
We are not delusional enough to think that Yaks does not control this match.

This is enough info to prevent depression from setting it. Maybe now you understand?
Why be depressed over a silver population server beating the pulp outta us.
I commend your server population… Nicely done.

quickflash.6314:

I was talking about sf /depression

Well except for my screenshot on the ET guys leaving the 4 omegas outside instead of bringing them in to support there ground troops. Feel free to tell me how that was an awesome idea

SF Depression?? Are we depressed??
Oh… I get it… We are supposed to be depressed. ah~! OK

RoChan.1926:

Another week over and another servers’ moral crushed. At least this thread has been entertaining. Nice to see YB can do both PvE and WvW at the same time. Great server in being able to multitask like that. Go Yaks Bend! <3

Good luck in leagues SF and ET, if your server quits when faced up against a larger server you are going to need all the luck you can get. I do feel bad for the very few guilds you have that are moderately good. Hope they find a new home soon!

I do not think its a matter of a “Server Quits when face up against a larger server”, but there again is just an opinion. Its a matter of simply not being delusional and thinking that the effort this week will counter the “Population” issue that Anet should be addressing.

The Non-Delusional fact is that Yaks determines exactly the outcome and any effort by ET or SF does not matter. It does not mean that we are not putting up efforts. We just are not under the impression that in the long run the efforts will overcome the population imbalance that exist.

For the Yak’s egos out there…… nice week for you. It was not skill. It was not superior anything other than pure brute force population. I bow to your superior numbers but in no way should you think that I am impressed by some alluded to superior game play. Would have been nice if the forum would have been a bit less ego driven and a bit more friendly.

• As a note * I did have a few nice encounters with a few Yak’s Bend folk. And yes my guildie did get his world Jumping Puzzle completion with the escort of a YB defender one day. I do commend those that were sports. Like every society, the many may be getting misjudged by the few outspoken ones on the forum. This is the sad part. TY to the YB person that was so nice that evening.

I kinda think its funny that their Silver League selves would be reduced to talking kitten to our Bronze league servers. Yep… we are impressed.

Just wanted to say Kudos to the Yaks Defender from the other night.

I had a guild mate that needed the Jump Puzzles for map completion. We did Obsidian, and then were able to compete both our BL and ET’s BL. When it came to Yak’s BL I was a bit nervous. Pardon me as although I have been careful to avoid zergs (Direct hits by trains are not fun) – I still have been ganked by the other roving packs of 4-6 players who see ganking a single roamer as pleasurable. We set off in the Yaks BL with no full expectations that we could get this last jump puzzle done.

We were able to avoid any camps by simply hugging the map outter perimeter where possible and not drawing any swords. As we approached the Northern Supply camp – a nobel Yaks defender came to protect their territory. We had been discovered.

After a party invite and explaination that we were not capping – simply trying to complete the JP – we were allowed to pass to the JP. My hats off to the hospitality and good sportsmanship displayed by the folks at Yaks Bend. If ever we can extend back simply let us know. Cheers!

An analysis of the entire thing.

Our first complaint was that each week the matchs were stale. It appeared to all involved that it was the same servers that played each week.

What we had said was that there was a problem with the point multipliers between the tiers. It was very difficult to jump tiers due to the point multipliers being used. What Anet heard was that we were tired of playing the same old servers.

Anets Solution: Mix it up with no modification to the point multipliers between the tiers. This is the fiasco that ensues when that happens. Higher ranked servers losing points even when dominating their matches. Lower tiered servers gaining tons of rank points playing the higher servers even if they are totally dominated. This system is still amiss and needs some major modifications.

Who had the brilliant idea that bloodlust would solve any of this. I get it that it was an attempt to split the larger zerg groups into smaller borderland parties, however logic dictates that the larger servers will be better able to split down without much loss of their main zerg group. Thus bloodlust remains a reward that is more easily awarded to the server with the population to take advantage of it all.

Bottom line is that the problem is the vast differences in server population. The true question is there a fair solution to this problem?

Possible one could buff the lower population servers or nerf the upper population servers however this introduces an all new complex problem. This in effect forces the Zerg mentaility as the roamers that meet in 1v1 1v2 2v2 2v1 type situations will be unbalanced. This has the opposite effect from what Anet should desire. Maybe the zergs would begin to balance out however individual play is the casualty.

The other idea is to somehow cap the allowed population on the larger servers match per match. Maybe place a 10% overage cap – rest of players will simply need to wait out the queue to play WvW. This certainly would make things a bit more fair however this solution presents Anet with the prospect of dissatisfied customers. Maybe the cap would eventually force the larger population to move to other servers thus in effect bring about population balance which is a good thing.

My suggestion to Anet is to simply adjust the multiplier between tiers. It is good to reward the upper tiered servers however it should not be as impossible to jump between tiers as it once was. That was really what the original gripe was in the first place. The dabbling that has been done has been a grand experiment however it is disasterous as a means to promote WvW as a fair environment.

BTW – I have seen it on both sides and I do feel for those that had to face us when we were the big daddy server of the match. The win just does not feel the same. Wouldn’t you agree, Yaks? (lol).

If YB had a bit of smarts… they could keep the scores a bit less lop sided… dangle the carrot so to speak.. to effectively karma train more. Just saying.

Ynot.8397:

rcelbrechter.8947:

Ynot.8397:

rcelbrechter.8947:

Mepheles.2087:

Madora.9340:

Glad FC and DH are working together to beat the stuffing out of us last minute. Says a whole lot about you guys*. After we lost the majority of our group at about 3 pm, and you guys* got a sudden surge* of people*, I guess congratulations* are in order in here. Bravo*. Sure showed us.

Feel free to sub in different words where the stars are.

Are you serious right now?

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If it looks like a log.. and it smells like a log…
My guess.. its more than likely a LOG

Who smells logs? Silly SF.

Point being… Tis is a bit more than mere coincidence.
I will accept that there is no proof.. .but I guess its only illegal if one is caught..eh?

Logs just don’t smell nice. IDK why you would smell them. If I were you I would have said pie. Pies look nice and people think they smell nice. Say that instead of logs.

Hmm.. I not sure I agree. Ceder is kinda aromatic as wood products go..
eh?

OH… BTW.
Gratz.

Ynot.8397:

rcelbrechter.8947:

Mepheles.2087:

Madora.9340:

Glad FC and DH are working together to beat the stuffing out of us last minute. Says a whole lot about you guys*. After we lost the majority of our group at about 3 pm, and you guys* got a sudden surge* of people*, I guess congratulations* are in order in here. Bravo*. Sure showed us.

Feel free to sub in different words where the stars are.

Are you serious right now?

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If it looks like a log.. and it smells like a log…
My guess.. its more than likely a LOG

Who smells logs? Silly SF.

Point being… Tis is a bit more than mere coincidence.
I will accept that there is no proof.. .but I guess its only illegal if one is caught..eh?

Mepheles.2087:

Madora.9340:

Glad FC and DH are working together to beat the stuffing out of us last minute. Says a whole lot about you guys*. After we lost the majority of our group at about 3 pm, and you guys* got a sudden surge* of people*, I guess congratulations* are in order in here. Bravo*. Sure showed us.

Feel free to sub in different words where the stars are.

Are you serious right now?

If it looks like a log.. and it smells like a log…
My guess.. its more than likely a LOG

Indeed the latest modifications to WvW have served to simply further frustrate me. I gave it a chance, ran with it a few nights just so that the initial change was not a subject for my frustration. Here are my thoughts and mind you these are merely my opinion.

• Bloodlust points – I will say that I see Anets point in making it to where 3 points needed to be captured in each BL for the bonus to take effect. It was an attempt to break up the Zerg mentality. Force the zergs to split into smaller roamer groups to do the captures. Nice try but here is why it does not work.

• Like mentioned above and from other post from many other weeks. The population inbalances are more a factor in a server winning than skill or strategy. Larger population servers are going to be better able to break off a few well coordinated roamer groups to do the bloodlust captures without the sacrifice of losing noticeable numbers in their zerg. They get to keep both, and with this modification get the attribute points atop of it all.

For the lower population server not only do we get beat, it happens more soundly since we have a disadvantage in attribute points as well.

I did do some roaming in the Kaineng Borderland earlier – and there were few of us SF around. After a bit of taking a point here or there I finally settled down at one of the points. There was a Kaineng theif there and so I merely sat on the ground. Population is not there for us to be competitive. It was not long (me in my unaggressive sitting on the ground posture) to where I had a gang of the [Woe] guild ganking me. I did not even fight back as really it did not matter. If the few copper is what made their day more power to them all. I am proud of you all. Great online statement dudes. You guys rock. (sic.)

This latest mod to WvW only further illustrates all that is being said above. It further displays that allowed population inbalances is what makes for the place where these servers normally reside. It is population that wins in this day and age. Nuff said.

At least with the old maps the roamer may be able to avoid a zerg ganking every now and then. But as a hall of famer bowler I know has said in the past, “Don’t complain about the conditions of the lane – It is what was given to you and so its up to you to overcome those conditions.”. So it is here. The new maps are what they are and so lets lets get to work. Its highly unlikely to change.

I have been on my work schedule which often takes me away from my ability to keep up with this forum thread stuff, and even a bit of participation. I guess I really only have one questions with all of this negativity being spewed.

Q: How is is that with all of that superior skill these servers are not stomping our kittens about (being the pathetic server we are) sic.

A: Just another excuse.

Truthfully I agree with a previous comment above. SF gets the same treatment from the other servers when we go up the tiers and it does no good to spew the monkey hate around. Enough of that going about in this weeks PVE Super Adventure Box.

By your own admission skill has nothing to do with it all. Just accept thakittens a numbers game and get over it. This is a game and its about time to enjoy it. If you cant enjoy then maybe its time to reconsider it all, eh?

King Amadaeus.8619:

melodey.4652:

King Amadaeus.8619:

melodey.4652:

Oh hey King Amadaeus has entered the house. Yay this thread might get more interesting.
Miss the old you, SF. The pre-morale-crushed SF was still my favorite server to play against. sry bout that, Dark Isle of Janthaven says hi from our honeymoon. <3

My dear girl, morale is not crushed. Morale is not tied to PPT, that is a zerglings myth. When you get a chance, take a look at the rest of the postings in the WvW threads (outside of matchup ones), more and more people everyday care less about PPT.

Morale might be bad on a server like AR where they are spawn camped during matches, morale on SF is fine because our aim is to have fun and find some good fights. The things that contribute to PPT (Towers, keeps, etc), are more incidental to the task.

Did I get it right

Remember DH has been there too, dearest boy Amadaeus. Same with every server south of Ebay. Kudos for the fights though.

Nice pic, but I feel like I should “let the cat out of the bag” on ya…I mean you do realize that we are essentially as high “ranked” as we ever have been in the recent (2013) history right? Or did that reality escape your hastily made attempt at a pot shot?

http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/64

Well I guess we fell one spot (17-18) So I mean, uhhhmmm…Well if you want to think we are in a “downswing” (given the last few weeks I would have called it an upswing). Whereas the mighty DH has climbed a shocking 2 places from 16-14. But don’t let little things like facts, and rational evidence get in your way. Feel free to make more pics I guess lil lady.

Have fun out there kiddo! Don’t stop trying to troll me, cause I think its simply adorable.

:P

Just to toss a bit of of concurance. On the SF side it does not feel like a downward spiral. In fact some of the previous comments on this thread fairly well sum up alot of the dynamics of our server.

Last week we were playing a few servers which I believe were able to get fresh infusion of incomming guilds from other servers during the match. Our server does not get these same infusions. We may get a few people now and then however large inflows hardly ever happen.

Speaking for myself, I am there when I can to assist out. I am a firm believer that our server will be that which it is. I will do my part and have fun doing just that. I see no point in destroying the enjoyment of the game over factors that I have no control over. Cheers to all of the other servers we are playing this week. See you on the battlefields.

Renegade

GavinGoodrich.1382:

No problem with fight clubs or fight night but…just not on my map (nawt in mah backyard…hyuck!) Again EB jump puzzle gets suggested over and over and for some reason i never get a response. Never a yes, or a no, or a screw off, or an explanation why not, or anything! It’s strange. It’s like that on other threads when I’ve mentioned it, too.

So…how come you guys don’t use the EB JP? It’s even siege locked <3

Jump Puzzle would be great for all that have a Keep in EB? Does that currently include SF??

Joey.3928:

Good deed of the day:

Escorting a lvl 53 SF to the south supply camp skill point

Kudos!! and thank you as well.
I was not at the home but my son told me of this encounter he had with this IoJ representative. Very classy move after a sparring match. Great sportsmanship and one that elevates my respect for the server you represent.

I commend Isle for this very classy player. Great asset to your squad.

Renegade.

Crimson Magdelana.9024:

Ansilon.6230:

Banzie.5248:

Crimson Magdelana.9024:

I’ll admit, I’m impressed. No more nonsense claims other than double teams. Which I can assure there is none of, SF got as much love as GoM tonight.

GG’s ladies, gents and .gif farmers. Had a blast tonight.

GoM getting even moee loving right now mayne.

The matchup isn’t over yet IoJ better watch your back.
Also, if any skill was involved in what just happened in EB
it would be more than pressing “1” on a golem, which you had 10 of.

Also, we have been working with ~10 with the outmanned buff for 6 hours and still held off a [HARD] assault on QL. Try again.

EDIT: You guys are sooooooo [HARD][CORE]. U make lolz

@ SF – Numbers don’t equal wins. You guys have an insane population in times that IoJ doesnt. The issue is, 12 IoJ WvW players can drop 30 of you. You guys just bank on your numbers equaling wins. Maybe against T7 & t8, but not the actual regular IoJ players. Suffer a few losses and you’ve suddenly lost half of those numbers. Work on that and people might be afraid of your numbers.

Again, I do not claim to speak for the entire SF crew, but on this side it does not feel like “insane” numbers. If that were the case I am sure we would be a bit higher on the tier system.

Again, I think its in bad taste to insinuate that there is some displayed skill level difference. I saw a few failed attempts on our keep over the last week by the likes of the mighty Isle group. I will say when you guys wipe you do it all out which I admire (not being sarcastic). All things in life need to be done with full effort win, lose, or otherwise. I will from here on simply state that this opinion is merely my own and as such reflects my perspective and unique point of view.

How can one state something as a truth when they have not nor will they ever be able to view it outside of their own perspective? I respect your opinion however your stated opinion may not necessarily be an undisputed “truth”.

Talk about the damage done overnight. Note that this was done in what has already been noted as our “off hours”. I was there and I saw that bulldozer zerg pretty much rolling over all that it cared to (including SM castle). Yep, I was that guardian that kept returning only to have 5-6 of you guys hanging off of my back while the real zerg did just what it was designed to do. Does that equate to superior skill or tactics. Again no. It is the same numbers game that you make reference to in your earlier critique of our server.

This week has been fun but lets not go into that “our skill is better than your skill” mode. My respects to both servers. This has been a fun week for sure.

Kind Regards
Renegade.

Averaelas.1876:

Oh! And kitten you SF. You want to hold our castle? Fine. No walls until its blue.

And a Treb of War in Speldan.

You could call it a magnificent erection.

Bravo… and actually kinda humorous.
Quick Question: What keeps it from going green before it goes blue??
Just Saying

How I wish I didn’t work until 8cst tonight.
This matchup has been fun.

Kudos both to IoJ and GoM.

HatSimulator.9362:

int randInt return.7810:

We should all just form one huge match-wide zerg in the new zerg pavillion map….
Than we could pretend we had t1 numbers/coverage.

I am still laughing that SF has T5 numbers and is still in T8.

I agree its only a formality…. but actually 21st is T7.
We are just here to make your week this week.
Cheers.

Nuzt.7894:

Advent.6193:

Nuzt.7894:

So I think its safe to say many on AR have come to the conclusion that certain members of SF and FC are both spineless, I’m sure your nice folks but spineless none the less. Try hitting one another, now I realize this means you may have to actually fight somewhat equal numbers and try your hardest not to run in terror, but why not give it a try, you might just surprise yourselves and realize there is more then #1 to mash.

We on AR do take it as a compliment that you find all 20 of us such a threat and all though, don’t get me wrong. Its a shame certain AR members believe FC needs SF to carry them this much.

There. Someone had to fix your unnecessary generalizations. Be assured, there are those of us who will fight anyone ANet sics on our server. SF, you, freaking bloody overpopulated DH, who-the-hells-ever. With that said: please bring it, I require entertainment.

While I won’t say all FC, it does seem the case that many are riding SF coat tails. Sunday night, your BL is being taken over by the SF zerg, yet your rather impressive zerg avoids them and works solely on AR. How many times have you ventured, to AR side of EB ? You will find the SF zerg there I can promise that, yet FC avoids anywhere the SF zerg may be. I will give you more credit then SF, I actually fought a upleved FC thief that didn’t run away when he/she realised they were fighting a losing battle. SF on the other hand … they are pretty much a joke on AR. We were taking a camp when a guildy called SF zerg inc, as a joke I told him to just charge him and they would run, there was much laughter in Mumble as they did turn and actually run from 3 ppl.

Either way, I call a spade a spade, SF is bad and that is why they never could climb ranks, they have the numbers but that only gets you so far, and from what I see of FC, you avoid any equal or close to equal number fights, and wait for SF to do the work then stroll in and take the paper tower/keep.

I feel kind of bad for ET they seem to be the only one of your threeway that lasted so long with any form of Pride and or Balls.

I look forward to watching you guys run from us and each other for the next couple days.

I will speak for myself mostly however SF has indeed as mentioned above seen both sides of the coins. Groups like GoM and DH with numbers that we simply can not match, and other weeks where we can have the numbers to control the game.

I personally have roamed the map and had some interesting fights where it was 3 others ganking my charrie. I normally will stand there and let them get their jollies and their badge, respawn, and carry on. Am I impressed with this display…. eh, not really. I know that I simply can respawn with little disrespect or tears, and eventually make my own dent at the spot I am at.

About SF being bad. I am simply glad that I do not lose sleep over Nutz’s opinion. Like kittenholes, everyone has one and some are more smelly than others…. lol.

I respect almost all that we are matched against, greater numbers or not. It can be frustrating at times but lets face it. Its a game. I am sure to farm your badges as I am sure you will mine in the future. Its hard to really get worked up over someones opinion that I could care less about.

I will say that I was most impressed by HoD and the constant swing from defending keep… to taking Mendons.. to pressing and taking Ogres for most of Saturday. My hats off to you folks… and heaven knows I died many times to the push.

(I typically am the guardian in the front line not smart enough to get behind the line)

In comment I will say that the imbalance somehow did feel thuggish after the first few days. I understand the Anet argument that it is hard to get a real determination of rank when not all servers play each other however we all know that due to coverages, and numbers not all servers are the same.

SF was hard pressed to do much in T6 albeit we did try. I will say that there was lessons to be learned in the upper tiers, tactics we observed from other groups, all which served to help improve in the long run.

In once sense I feel badly however one only improves once one encounters resistance. SF is by no means worthy of more than where we are. I will say it is good to see some of the folks we have encountered in the past. I do hope as a measure of friendship that my front line deaths do even the scores and allow you fine folks of ET and HoD to understand we all are flesh and blood. We are no better or worse than anyone else. Speaking for myself it is good to have you guys there. You guys Rock!!

Renegade

Let me commend this group of servers. I guess I did not see the gripes that were initially brought up about SF however I will say that this has been a great learning process. LoJ definately made their point that they could control the flow of the matches with their input and DH with their coverages and numbers.

Despite the minor frustrations at time I feel I have come out of this stronger. I seem to see stronger and more coordinated play from all the servers on this tier. My salute to both Isle and Darkhaven. You both have made this a memorable experience.

Best be with both servers and I do hope we meet again in the future.

Renegade