Guild Wars 2

So in your opinion, from 1 – 5, 1 being the most common seen one, which of the legendaries are most seen in the game ?

For me it is:

1: Twilight (with the rate I’m seeing this one pop up, some of the rare Exotic like Infinite Light or Foefire seem to be the “legendary” instead and twilight is an exotic

2: Sunrise (very close behind twilight)

3: Bifrost

4: Dreamer

5: Bolt

Hello

Im thinking of doing a revamp on my thief play style. Currenly running a glass P/P build, i survive well enough but it getting boring so im urging for a new style. My focus is to gear my thief toward Dungeoms and PVE. So with that said, any good s/p built that ppl are running right now for dungeon???

I finally have enough mats to create one……..but now I ran into a dilemma, is it worth it to make it or should I just save up the mats and wait out due to the looming “ascended” stuffs around the corner.

I been playing casually since release and finally able to reach this just yesterday, so this is a very big decision for me, please help me out

Dont forget this part also too

Legendary items were always intended to be on par with other “best-in-slot” items. So fear not, all existing Legendary weapons, which are currently on par with Exotics, will be upgraded to be on par with Ascended weapons at the same time that we add Ascended weapons to the game. Thus Legendaries will remain “best-in-slot” items

Noted how she use the word “best in slot” instead of just plain Ascended. Know why ? it because saying Ascended will lock Legendary forever in Ascended realm and make it the top tier stats forever. The term “best in slot” is use instead because Ascended wasn’t the end of it, it will held it realm for at least 3 months like mr Whiteside already asure us, but anything after that, it realm as the “best in slot” seem pretty shady

Pants.8315:

“Our goal is not to create a gear treadmill. Our goal is to ensure we have a proper progression for players from exotic up to legendary without a massive jump in reward between the two.”

In other words, Exotics are easy to obtain, Legendaries aren’t. Ascended will be more difficult to obtain than Exotics, but not as hard as Legendary items, thus providing less of a jump in time consumption required to get said items.

Come again on that ? Exotics are easy to obtain. Ohh really ? Go back on the game and check the trade post to see how much some Exotics are going for and see how difficult they are in crafting requirement.

Now let look at those “not so easy to obtain” exotics to see what is the different…….oh right, it is the unique skins. Move to Legendary, wow, guess wut, they have even more flashier skin on them, really make one stand out.

Common Exotic (easy to obtain) >>>> Not so common Exotic (took a bit of time to obtain) >>>> Legendary (require dedication to obtain)

See the major different between the 3 catergories I just point out ? Completely in a realm of their own. But at the end of the day, in term of power……..they all remain to be equal in term of power in should one decide to take them to “pvp” and be competitive. This system create balance between the two groups, PVE players will be happy that their toon really stand out and PVP players will be happy that competitive level will be equal in term of stat numbers

Urxx.6840:

ReeferKeeper.1865:

People don’t even say that about exotic gear

Currently there isn’t any condition that can’t be cleansed and requires a specific tier to be countered. Again, when conditions / mechanics that require infusions will be widespread, things will chage. mark my words, if ANet doesn’t retract from this ascended mess.

Actually, I already saw it. Back when dungeons still can be exploited, I saw a couple “LFG with full exo gears to do Arah FAST run” in Orr

Gabi.5264:

How about you stop starting new threads to complain and play the game instead?

No point in playing it when you know that everything you do (except for legendary goal) will be pointless and obsolete. I was actually working of my goal of getting tier 3 cultural armor and doing CoF for tokens……….but guess wut, now all my motivation are gone because I know that the reward I’m getting will not be the “end gear” in term of power.

Hasty or not, the fact is, unless Anet gave us a solution, for now, I will be pulling my credit card away and will not support them any further via the cash shop, and I also will not recommend this game to anyone.

Sure, the money I pull away will not be much, and the couple new potential players that I might give Anet might be insignificant, but it could very well be money that they could have easily gotten, but too bad, right now, they lost that ability

Arnath.2319:

Sigh… people are so stupid…

Re-read what he said, they will add more Ascended items but the stats wont increase, once you have your Ascended Rings and Back Slot from this patch you will never have to upgrade that armour piece ever again!
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Again, where did he say that aside from giving a specific time frame of 3 months that there wont be a new tier after ascended. Please provide proof to your statement, otherwise stop spreading false information !!!!

Arnath.2319:

Freohr.7905:

Arnath.2319:

cafard.8953:

Arnath.2319:

Not once has Arenanet suggested there would be another stat increase after this, in fact they have said numerous times it would not happen.

Fool me once…

If you want to wear your tin foil hat and make up conspiracy theroys and spend your time hating a company that has produced the best MMO in gaming history with the most amount of content delivered then any other game then go for it. But your behaviour is unhealthy and not welcome in this community.

Have you been reading this thread you dolt? You can’t speak for the community when most of them on this forum denounce this change.

And these forums are less than 5% of the Guild Wars 2 community.

These changes are being added for a reason, they listened to player feedback, they looked at how fast people were getting Exotics and Legendarys and acted.

Well with 6.5k of reply in this thread alone, if they are not player’s feedback, then I dont know what to call them.

Let do a little statistic, u said these forums are less than 5% of the GW2 community, well then within that 5%, 90% are against this new addition. If you take that picture and upscale that to 100%, there should still roughly be a high volume of ppl that disagree with this idea. Remember, these forums dont discriminate any specific group, so those 5% u got is a good sample to get the bigger picture

Arnath.2319:

rikuharada.3152:

Arnath.2319:

This is a once off, if they had added a new tier between blue and green items no one would care, that is exactly what they have done here, add a new tier between Exotic and Legendary, something that will very important to do as this game is dying fast and loosing many players to boredom at level 80.

The disgusting overreaction from the hipster elitists of this game is deeply disturbing.

Keep up the good work Arenanet and dont let the bullys get you down!

Legendary are suppose to be for cosmetic look, they have the same stats as exotic item in term of power since launch day, there was absolutely no gap between them in term of power.

Exotic power was suppose to be the end gap in term of power. If the new tier “ascended” is only for look, people wouldn’t complain, but this case, it also up the “power” scale.

And now Ascended gear will be the same stats as Legendary and will continue to farm for cosmetics from this patch forward.

Not once has Arenanet suggested there would be another stat increase after this, in fact they have said numerous times it would not happen.

Where did they say that ?? Show me, because so far, I only see the message stating that they not going to add another tier every 3 months. 3 months is a specific time frame, what come after that is unknown

Arnath.2319:

This is a once off, if they had added a new tier between blue and green items no one would care, that is exactly what they have done here, add a new tier between Exotic and Legendary, something that will very important to do as this game is dying fast and loosing many players to boredom at level 80.

The disgusting overreaction from the hipster elitists of this game is deeply disturbing.

Keep up the good work Arenanet and dont let the bullys get you down!

Legendary are suppose to be for cosmetic look, they have the same stats as exotic item in term of power since launch day, there was absolutely no gap between them in term of power.

Exotic power was suppose to be the end gap in term of power. If the new tier “ascended” is only for look, people wouldn’t complain, but this case, it also up the “power” scale.

nergoza.6387:

Why is everyone mad anyways ?
Rare is weaker than Exotic.They just added another gear tier? where’s the big deal?
Seems like some are pretty irritated that they are “Loosing” their exotics.

sigh , humans.

Irritated because they work hard for those exotic gears believing in Anet that once they get that, that will be the cap, no need to return to the grind. Now that isn’t the case anymore and those exotic gears become obsolete, they have to jump back into those endless grind to stay competitive >.>

Vasham.2408:

It was in that “Thoughts on Ascended Gear” megathread. Lemme dig it up…

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/135lrk/arenanet_about_ascended_armor/

Reddit thread on the second announcement. Now for the quote:

“Our goal is not to create a gear treadmill. Our goal is to ensure we have a proper progression for players from exotic up to legendary without a massive jump in reward between the two. We will slowly add the remaining ascended gear items and legendary items in future updates to allow people time to acquire them as we add exciting new content that deserves exciting rewards. We will not be adding a new tier of gear every 3 months that we expect everyone to chase after and then get the next set and so on.
Ascended and infusion rewards will be available in both PvE and WvW over time, and be made available through all sorts of content around the world including existing content. PvP will remain unaffected to ensure our intended PvP balance going forward. We are also working on other reward and progression systems for the game that tie into current and new content and features. As you know we care very much about your support and opinion and are listening intently to what you say.”

All I get out from that article is them saying they will not be adding a new tier every 3 months. That is no way of a confirm that they will not be adding more new tier in the future. All it is saying is within that specific time frame after ascended is out, there will not be another tier introduce >.>

Vasham.2408:

Logical fallacy much?

They’ve confirmed that there will be no new “tiers” of ascended gear already. Maybe you should relax.

Where did they confirm that ?? show me

Namu.5712:

I don’t know about you but when I hit 80 I had plenty of gold….. and karma.

Heres the difference you didn’t grind for it you got it along the way while questing and completing story…. that is not the same.

Now this new gear could be entirely rewarded based on your new content progression the further you progress the new content the more new gear you get…. that is not =/= to grinding.

When new gear is introduced and the way you get it is say through some point system that has nothing to do with story or progression THAT IS GEAR GRINDING. When new gear is introduced as part of the story line that you get alone the way THAT IS NOT GEAR GRINDING.

Well idk about you, but base on the article I read from Anet, they intend to make Ascended above Exotic and below Legendary to fill in this so call “gap”. That translate to me is that this Ascended stuffs gonna be more difficult to obtain than Exotic

Now let look at dungeon, there currently are 3 method of getting gears via this route:

1: Farm gold…….Like I stated earlier, it would take 90 hrs to obtain enough gold to buy exotic sets. 90 hrs of farming = GRINDING. Let alone that there a potential that Ascended will be more expensive than Exotic on the TP, which translate to more grinding

2: Drop from boss/monsters ……….. Out of my game time of 400 hrs in GW2 so far, I only got 1 exotic drop from monsters. So to follow this route also translate to GRINDING

3: Token………..Currently, for each exotic weapon, it cost 300-390 tokens. Let say you manage to do 3 run per days (successful one and no glitched) and get 60 token each, you would need 2 days to obtain one weapon. So inorder to fully deck out in dungeon gears, that would spell out…….you guess it……GRINDING. Oh and let not forget that there the potential Anet might up the # of tokens require to exchange for “ascended”

Angrec.6970:

Namu.5712:

Lequin.1806:

UnderdogSMO.9428:

Lequin.1806:

Namu.5712:

gadenp.7586:

UnderdogSMO.9428:

Namu.5712:

Lequin.1806:

Untouch.2541:

I can’t see where they said they’ll have better stats.

They said they’ll add more update related items, that’s it.

Do the halloween exotics have better stats? Nope.

@above
At launch we will only have ring and back items, they’re going to add the rest of the slots as they go.

are you serious? did you not even read what Ascended items are? go read the release adn then come back. turn the lights on, and maybe have your browser turned to font 40. it’s in plain as day english, ascended stats are better than Exotic. no if, ands, or buts. They’ve even stated that it’s a new tier, and will make existing content easier for you! (meaning it’ll be a big increase on your character’s performance). Not to mention, it has alot of +magic find, which is the highest rated stat.

It’s the start of the never ending god kitten treadmill. they want to be like WoW for whatever reason despite having success with their original design.

And legendary stats are better then ascended which is also better then exotics? What is your point? Your already grinding for legendary… they are just adding a inbetween gear…. it won’t be the best in the game. Therefore the whole argument about a gear treadmill is totally debunked.

This nothing but this i dont see why people cant understand this

Currently there is no “progression” from exotic to legendary. They have the same stats. The only “reward” is aesthetic.

Now with Ascended gear, you have to grind for them, as their “rewards” are not only aesthetic but also have stat increase.

They are creating a stat gap between exotic and legendary with ascend being in the middle…… at least thats how it reads in the announcement made by Chris.

They are not. They’re adding a gap in between exotic and the new tier, Ascended. There is no gap to legendary (which will be EQUAL to Ascended with the patch), there never was. It was a problem they invented.

to clear stuff up folks (cuz the devs PR is purposely muddy), legendary = same stats as exotic. After patch, legendary = same stats as Ascended.

so dose this mean if we get our legendery we NEVER have to worry about a “gear grind” again as it will always be the equivalent to the strongst wepon?

For the patch this week, yes. Legendary will be equivalent to Ascended. For the future, who knows. (judging from other MMOs “item progression”, dont count on it.)

There was never any stat gap between legendary and exotics anyway, so the entire Ascended thing with better stats is why people are pissed. We all bought the game to get away from stuff like that since that is what they marketed GW2 as.

Exotics were basically a freebie when you hit 80. I am sorry thats the truth.

60 gold is a freebie? Because thats how much it costed to fully exotic out/set up a character of mine and transmute it to look decent.

Last I check, ppl saying it take an average of 1 hr and 30 mins to get 1 gold, assuming you totally focus on grinding gold that entire time. So inorder to get 60 golds, that would mean you need to delicate 90 hours of farming gold. So unless that player play the game 24/7, the 90 hours isn’t freebie >.>

Namu.5712:

But pve wise, I don’t know anyone that doesn’t want to see their character grow…. no matter how small the amount is. New skins are cool but really its just more of the same after a few expansions. Same skills, same everything. Not sure how people cant consider that anymore or less boring.

Nor do I understand the argument about a gear grind….. when HELLO your doing the same thing if it were just a skin…. I mean comon folks pull your heads out!

The reason why GW was special was because the grind process was pretty much voluntary. You can grind for cooler look and stand out from the rest, and that is your reward.

With the stats boost, now that is a different story, now you are in the position of “mandatory” grind just to stay competitive. I been a PVE players since GW1 days, and this sole reason of voluntary grind was y I’m still playing this game today.

Ibsen.4057:

rikuharada.3152:

Ibsen.4057:

And grinding? Most of you are grinding your butts off for that different looking armor, or weapon, or heck even the legendary weapon….for just fluff look. So dont act like you wont go for ascended which not only will give you more looks, but even reward you with minimal stat boost for your effort.

Win…win. Thanks anet

But it is not mandatory grind, I can relax, take a break and return to the grind process later on for the cool cosmetic look. However, with the higher stats, it create a mandatory situation, if I dont grind “now”, in a few weeks or so, I will be excluded from group/party because my toon isnt up to date.

How do you know you will be excluded? This game relies heavily on positioning and dodging. If it was a true holy trinity system i can see more of a worry. But, you can do dungeons in this game in greens if you know how to play. So i fail to see the worry that you will be excluded. The only thing i see that will require this gear, is the new dungeon, but deep in it. And boost in stats are really a joke when you compare to most mmos that jump tiers…this is very minimal.

Have you not been in Orr during the first few weeks of the game ? There are ppl making party and only accept you if you have the right gears to do “fast run” aka fully exotics. With this new implement of the “ascended” it will repeat the cycle again and further escalate ppl creating party and require your toon to be up to par in equipments

And if it is so minimal, why not just stick to exotic level then ? Why the need to add those “minimal” stats boost for ? GW is special because it doesn’t require you to grind for stats but rather than look, this implement goes against all of it mandate

Ibsen.4057:

And grinding? Most of you are grinding your butts off for that different looking armor, or weapon, or heck even the legendary weapon….for just fluff look. So dont act like you wont go for ascended which not only will give you more looks, but even reward you with minimal stat boost for your effort.

Win…win. Thanks anet

But it is not mandatory grind, I can relax, take a break and return to the grind process later on for the cool cosmetic look. However, with the higher stats, it create a mandatory situation, if I dont grind “now”, in a few weeks or so, I will be excluded from group/party because my toon isnt up to date.

tkalamba.2541:

melchiz.7182:

tkalamba.2541:

Considering the entire Manifesto was about options, and the new gear is not mandatory, there was no lie.

Nothing is “mandatory.” You can run around WvW in a set of blues. Have fun with that.

Considering WvW ends up devolving into a game of number of players fielded in an area, its not difficult to do at all….. I still don’t have any Exotic Accessories, and hold my own no problem. I’ve leveled two characters in WvW no problem….

WvW is not a 1v1 scenario, it’s no SPvP and was never balanced….. Ascended Gear will make no difference whatsoever to it.

Infact, you can’t even customize Ascended gear to your playstyle, where as you can with Exotics through upgrade slots…. That’s more valuable to a WvW player.

Additionally, WvW is an entirely different beast as it doesn’t fully rely on individual stats. In the end it always breaks down into mobs of players fighting.

Ascended gear will barely have any effect whatsoever in WvW. It never was equal, and never will be.

There are items already in game that are more useful anyways, and its not like every WvW player has them. Take a look at the Tri-Forge Pendant.

+40 Power
+40 Precision
+40 Toughness
+40 Vitality
+5% Critical Damage
+40 Healing Power
+40 Condition Damage
+ Upgrade slot

Doesn’t this item alone already effect game balance? It provides bonuses to all stats and has a slot for upgrades… where the complaints for it?

That is just one pendant, we are talking about a whole separate tier on it own here, the different is huge.

Siphaed.9235:

I ……WAS…….RIGHT!

Okay, so I said it was going to be a 5% difference and it looks to be more of a 4% difference.

Still, it’s only a ring slot and back slot items. …..NOT A BIG DEAL!

Go read the blog post again, ring and back slot for now, they plan to eventually add in armors and weapons of this tier as well

Very first post on the forum, but been playing the game since start. This new idea was such a turn off that I was force to raise my voice in as well.

The reason why I like this game alot was because it not about the stats base but about the look when it come to grinding. I was very much looking forward to the next update where you add in more cosmetic look and wouldnt mind grinding for it, however, instead I’m left speechless by your decision of adding a totally new tier with better stats. Now you totally make the grinding process that suppose to be voluntary become mandatory for those players who want to stay on top and be competitive.

Anet, I seriously hope you think back at your core fanbase and the reason why they come and love GW in the first place and reconsider this decision, because like the majority here, I do not like it at all. >: (