Guild Wars 2

“Beat it, or I’ll call the brute squad! I’m on the brute squad. You ARE the brute squad!”

why the hell do you people even care? Most of the time it feels like you care about you stupid chest thumping and mudslinging on this forum far more than you do any type of gaming. Here is a news flash for you:

JQ is good at wvw and deserves to be here.
SoR is good at wvw and deserves to be here.
BG is good at wvw and deserves to be here.

You all whine and complain and kitten and moan and gripe about how much BETTER it would be if other people would be here instead of the 3 servers mentioned. You rail at the unfairness of it all in regards to zergs like its a new thing and not a months long problem, like its just one server and not every everloving T1 server that has ever been. You kitten about lack of coverage but are unwilling to A. recruit where you are weak or B. pull long hours or C. really do anything except bemoan to yourselves and to the world why you are not winning(obv not JQ there)

YOu all pretend that being the number 1 server in this c r a p rating system means anything when JQ has long ago proved that it does not mean a kitten thing.

SoR news flash: How good or bad we are in NA is irrelevant. How stacked JQ is during our off peak hours is irrelevant. How many people BG recruited before they came to T1 is irrelevant.

All that matters is if you are having fun or not(its a game remember?) It sounds like 75% of the people posting in this forum here don’t actually like this game in general or T1 wvw in specific so I ask you all, wtf are you even doing here?

Obviously we do not need to carebear each other and do hugs and kisses and rainbows 24/7 but a minimum amount of civility would be nice. But I don’t think the forum warriors from ANY of the three servers are capable of that so I will not make a post like this again.

Mad respect for anyone that wvw’s in T1 and enjoys it.

/end voice of reason

Thanks for the fun last night my asuran Love Brothers and sisters

Trains are serious business don t you know?

I am from SoR and as far as the GvG wipe goes, I was indeed disappointed when I heard that happened. Just know that most of us would never participate in such a thing. That said, I think you all are being melodramatic.

During my browsing of this thread though, I did see a few posts that struck me as fascinating and I just want so see if I’m reading this correctly… Is JQ really criticizing SoR (or any other server for that matter) for zerging? I thought I was in a bad episode of the Twighlight Zone and I just wanted to make sure I read that correctly. If I am reading that correctly then Pot, I’d like you to meet Kettle!!

hex.3218:

oldephartte.4369:

With all their rationalizations and justifications in favour of the sorry state of WVW Tier 1, JQ reminds me of nothing so much as one of those people who claim that when they break wind there is no offensive odour.

Someone here has an obsession with passing gas….

Either that or I have lived long enough to start collecting my pensions and deserve the name in more ways than one.

(Grammar edit.)

Reize.2176:

Im from SoS and i hope SoR bloody well gets more points by the end of this season so our server can drop a tier ASAP.

I’d rather let Blackgate deal with JQ thank you very much.

No.

For 8 weeks SoS rolled through tier 1. Everyone had fun. There was much joy in the world and people frolicked in the streets.

Times have changed. JQ has taken roids. SBI has disappeared and been replaced, first by a tenacious little pitbull named Blackgate, now by a larger, angrier mob named SoR.

Running to another server (a couple of our hardcore pvp guilds) or dropping to another tier to hide from JQ is for sissies.

A more entertaining thread would be who’s the weakest guild, you know the ones, can lose an entire homeland BL in less than an hour while others wait in Q

Can lose Bay or Cliffs by a failed defending/taking of a spawn tower with 50+ with 2:00 left on ppt timer.

hex.3218:

Lets all put big people pants on

Two things.

1. I am Asuran. Big people pants would look stupid on me.

2. I don’t wear pants anyways.

Good day.

Jahn.7019:

JQ mentality seems to be “Who cares that I’m losing now, at least my other time slot is winning”.

SoR mentality seems to be “We are winning now, who cares what happens when I’m sleeping/working/studying”.

SoS mentality I have no idea really, they just seem to hate JQ.

We are all one time slot on JQ. The sun never sets in the Quarry.

BrockMcCleery.9562:

oldephartte.4369:

The question needs to be asked, “Is JQ truly a North American server?”

Maybe WvW needs to be restricted to say 6:00 a.m. – midnight Pacific.

That’s 18 hours of potential game play and 6 hours to rest.

If this is inconvenient for players outside the North American time zones, then their own regional servers would be available.

This is actually the only viable solution. WvW should really be restricted to 16-18 hours of play, based US or EU sets of servers. It has its problems but I think that overall it would help make WvW better.

For instance, it would immediately make a number of servers much more competitive.

So essentially you are saying restrict it to when people are awake in your timezone and screw everyone else in the world because its not affecting you?

Farming tears.

After looking them all in the eyes and seeing that my determination inside each and everyone of them I smiled. Not a grim smile but for the first time today a truly happy smile. “Then tomorrow we fight. To the last man, to the last stone, to the top step of this tower we fight! We will hold on to Blue Briar with the ferocity of a Dragon, and when they speak of us they will know that so few stood their ground against an army of thousands!” I yelled as I unsheathed my sword which was mirrored by the others. I hold mine out in front of me and begin to talk again. “On this day brothers we fought well. Tomorrow we will see this enemy face to face, sword to sword, and we will show them that Darkhaven will not falter in the face of thousands. I will be there with you my brothers and sisters, I will bleed with you and for you. Know that tomorrow when hell breaks loose, I will be right next to you. Now, get some rest. I’ll take first watch.

took a step forward, then another, and another. I leaned back , and teleported right into her with my sword embedded in her chest. Her eyes widened and looked at my face, as they began to glaze over she whispered three words to me that sent a shiver down my spine “Just the beginning.” I stared, my body filling with sadness and regret, as her lifeless body fell to the ground. But above those feelings came another, stronger, feeling. Fear.

“Ah!” screamed another enemy from behind as he fell to the ground with a huge hole in his chest. “That was Chogan’s last enemy it looked like” I thought as I watched him run across to help the other two fight the last remaining enemies. They don’t need my help at the moment. Besides Chogan will end this.

I sat down, next to the women’s lifeless body, her eyes were still open. I reached over and closed them, she had seen enough blood for a day. I looked around at my fallen men, men that I have served in that tower with for awhile now. If this was just a taste of what was to come I wanted no part in it… Yet, I knew that I would have to be there. Not only just for my men, but for my country, my friends, and family. Victors Lodge will be the last town that is destroyed liked this. I will NOT let them pass Blue Briar.

“Acium! We need to get out of here!” yelled Chogan who was now standing beside me and pointing to the south. Hundreds of people in dark blue armor were standing there. Watching us. Have they been there the hole time? Why didn’t they join in to help them? Regardless of that answer we needed to get out of here, now. “Make for the tower! Quickly!” I ordered my men. As I took a step towards the tower I stopped and looked back at my fallen men. I wouldn’t make it very far if I attempted to carry them and they charged me. “I’ll be back for you when I can. I promise.” I said under my breathe and turned and ran.

As we made it back to the tower I looked up and the sun was behind the mountains in the west now. It was getting dark and no help has showed yet. Though now as I look out I see hundreds upon hundreds of camp fires to the south. If help didn’t arrive, we wouldn’t be able to hold for long. If Elenteal had been killed on his journey to the Bay then we was already dead. But, we would hold as long as possible. “Sir, is Wulf coming with reinforcements?” asked Chogan. As he asked I noticed every soldier looking my way and expecting a hopeful answer, one that I couldn’t give with any certainty. “Wulf will be here for us. But for now, we hold. It seems like day one of this war has ended and we have lost many friends. Tonight we rest, I’ll rotate in with the watches as well. You guys did good today. Better then any commander could ever hope for. I will need you guys to the end. Your strength is my strength and if you fall, so to shall I, and with us this tower. Now I’m going to tell you, I will not let this tower fall without a fight. Are you with me?” I said, probably more hopeful than I should have. No smart man would stand there ground with so few against so many, but here I was asking these men, who have fought hard today, to do just that. “Sir. We are with you to the end.” Said Chogan with a ferocious smile on his face that was mirrored to all standing here now.

went clean threw to the other side. “Thanks for the help Commander. Now…I think I’ll just sit down for a minute…” he said as he dropped to one knee and fell face first into the dirt. He was breathing and would survive.

I turned my attention elsewhere. Chogan, a stocky man was fighting off two enemies at once and well. “He doesn’t need me.” I thought. I look at the other two who had paired up and were now fighting against five opponents. “That’s where I’m needed.” I thought as I ran towards them. Instantly two peeled off and ran at me and all I could think was “Bring it on.” as I switched to my great sword. I picked up speed and swung my sword in a half circle as I slid to a stop and kicking up dirt. My sword glowed and flung out two spectral swords that embedded themselves into the two oncoming enemies. They stopped in shock and wondered why there wasn’t no pain, at least that was the look they had. I smiled crookedly and jabbed my sword into the air, instantly the enemies bodies were flung my direction and landed hard below me. I brought my sword down with such force that the air its self split.

Boom! My sword struck the ground between the two and exploded with power that flung their bodies violently to the right and left. As I recovered from putting more force behind that then I intended too I looked at the two assailants. One lay dead while the other struggled back to her feet. “Your pretty strong to survive that.” I said as I switched back to my single handed sword and focus and smiled at her. She looked up at me and just stared. She hated me, with every fiber of her being. I could see it in her eyes. “Your pretty kitteny if you think that would kill me.”

I stared back, wondering why they had come here. I had almost thought to ask but decided asking an enemy why they attacked us would be a dumb question so instead, I decided to end this. I planted my left foot forward and leaned heavily on my right foot, bending it slightly, as I brought my sword up level to my mouth and pointed it directly at her. What I was about to do would drain me of energy but I had to end this fight now and get back to the tower.

I halted my men on the sand bar next to the river, Victors Lodge was on fire. As we look on at the fire I notice the bodies of its residents strewn about on the other side of the river. They had tried to flee to Blue Briar but didn’t make it… Anger filled my body as I looked on. “How could anyone find any honor in this. They was unarmed and no threat.” I said sadly.”

As I turned to look at my men I noticed ten soldiers behind us. Where had they come from? “Behind us!” I yelled as I unsheathed my sword. The men in the back turned quickly to meet the enemy who, out of nowhere, vanished. “Sir I know this spell, it’s called Shadow Refuge. They are still he..” he fell silent as an arrow lodged its self in his chest and he fell backwards, instantly the enemy reappeared all around us. I lunged at one of the enemies, a huge Norn with a giant sword that sounded like a chainsaw. I fought with all my strength against this giant of a man. His swings were powerful but wild, there was no method to his swing and he was already breathing hard. I parried a downward thrust and let it slip off my weapon and into the dirt to where it jabbed deep into it.

I then jumped up and kneed this warrior in the face, knocking him backwards. Now was my chance! I leaped forward and caught him in the side with a swing of my sword. As he dropped to one knee I swung around with my blade and rounded up behind him, I brought the sword down and cut his head clean off. My foe had fallen, now for the others.

I look up and notice two of my men dead, one bleeding heavily but still fighting, and the other three fighting on. As for the enemy, only one of them lay dead and that was my opponent. “These guys were strong” I thought as I ran to help my bleeding ally. I got to his side just as one of his opponents came up from behind him. I pulled out my Focus and sent a blast of light at the enemy and knocked him back, sending him rolling to the side. I then jumped in front of the next and parried his blade to the side and jabbed my left fist into his stomach and sent another blast straight into him at point blank range. He flew backwards and landed on his neck. A loud crack filled the air and he lay still. The other assailant had gotten back up and was almost on me before I realized it, luckily my ally had jumped in and had pierced the enemy in the back. His blade

“Alright listen up! I want my LTs in the Lords Room for a briefing right now! Everyone else keep a loo…” I had been screaming at my men when silence fell over the valley. The Gate had stopped. Was it time already? This is too soon… “INCOMING!!!” yelled a guardsmen. I looked south to see a hail of boulders being hurled at us… Dear god there are so many… “Take cover!!!” I screamed at the top of my lungs. Boom! One after another they struck the small fortified tower. It felt like the earth its self was trying to flee from this assault. The ground heaved and the walls shook. My men on the walls were sent flying backwards as boulders struck and exploded. Think Acium…think, I need to think… “Got it! Elementalists on me!” I yelled as I ran up to the top of the walls. Looking back, I couldn’t help but smile as four men ran behind me with grim looks on their faces. They were scared, just like me. But also like me, they were dead set on defending this tower.

As we reached the spot where the boulders were hitting I scanned for more incoming. None yet, good. “Alright listen up, when the boulders are coming down on us I want you to use your magic to deflect them. I’m not a magician so I don’t know what you would use for that but I trust you to find out what to do. Got it?” I looked each of them in the eye as I told them what to do. They would get the job done, that I was certain of. “Sir look out!” yelled one of them as he jumped into me, knocking me down. Instantly he held up his two daggers and flung waves of fire at the arrows, incinerating them on the spot. “Whoa… Thanks Yung.” We shared a brief smile as another stepped up and pointed with his staff. “Here they come sir… Don’t worry, command the others. We will be here.” He smiled at me, as did the others. “I know you will.” I stood up and smiled as well. I couldn’t be blessed with better soldiers I thought as I ran back to the guard shack at the bottom of the tower.

I looked at my remaining men, so few had survived, I started with 50 and now I only have 24 men left. 26 men dead on the first barrage, such a deadly enemy. “Alright listen up, I want the Rangers on the walls covering the Eles. Engineers I want those cannons operational and if you can, set up some mortar sites and man them. The rest of you come with me. Were going on a scouting party.” As I told my men what to do they began to shuffle around. All that was left for me was six people. Let’s hope we don’t get ambushed out there.

As we stepped outside the towers I felt my body tense and my senses heighten. I gripped my sword as I took off towards the small lodging area in the far south, Victors Lodge. As we rounded the cliff and found ourselves at the edge of the river I noticed that all the Skelk in the area had disappeared. Even the great Wurg that roamed this side of the mountain had vanished. This was already turning out to be bad.

21 DAYS OF CHAOS

It has been 21 days since the Gates of Madness opened and its soldiers spilled onto our lands. 21 days since the Henge of Denravi Kingdom unleashed its warriors upon us. 21 days since our soldiers have fought and died for their friends, family, homes, and country. This month long war has been harsh, unforgiving, and yet even in this chaos I have come to respect our foes and I have learned some valuable strategies from them.

My name is Acium and I will tell you the tale of this 21 day war, but first I wish to tell you a little about myself. I started as a frontline soldier for my country and have worked hard to gain the trust and loyalty of the people I now command on the battlefield. I have made many friends along the way, and have even met some people that are quite special to me. I have my brother and my cousin who have fought beside me. My friends Bllade, Prosecute, Lycia, Milan, Rhaina, and many, many more whom I see out there every day giving their lives for Darkhaven. Also to my friends who have left Darkhaven to start anew in a different land. You helped me more then you know. If not for you I do not believe I would be where I am today without you. Even though you left us here you are still my friends and I hope to see you again. Now that I have shared a little about myself I will now share our story.

Day 1: The Opening of The Gate

As I made my rounds of the tower to check the upkeep of the siege, the moral of the guards, and to, in all honesty, stretch my legs, it dawned on me that, if I was to be honest, this tower duty was really boring. It has been months since our last enemy sighting to the south where the great Gate of Madness lies. The gate has not been open since I have been stationed here in Blue Briar but, of course, you get one report of an ‘unusual’ looking man and your put on full alert. Staying on full alert for four months can break a man, make them paranoid at any sound and can make you see things that aren’t there.

As I made it to the top of the gate the wind started to pick up and the sky started to darken. It was unusual for this time of year, especially from the direction it was coming from. “Sir? What’s going on?” came a startled voice from behind. “I’m not sure Elenteal. But I don’t like it. Go rouse all the guards. Man the siege.”I said in a gruff voice. Something wasn’t right about this wind. It wasn’t just cold, it was ominous. Like it was pulling at your insides and making you want to go in the other direction. In the back of the tower the Dolyaks began to misbehave in there stables. Something definitely wasn’t right. “Chogan go calm the Doly…” I was cut off when a high pitched creek filled the air followed by a loud boom. “Sir… The gate, i-its opening..” said a scared guardsman.

As we sat there watching this Gate that had lied dormant for years began to move. “Elenteal! Get over here!” I yelled over the loud cracking of the Gate. “Sir?!” said Elenteal as he came running up. I wasn’t taking any chances in this. If what I feared was about to happen then I wanted High Command to know about it. “Run to Dreaming Bay! Let them know what’s coming!” I yelled as loud as I could above this noise. “But sir! What’s happening!?” he said with an obvious scared voice. “Their coming Elenteal… and were going to need everything to stop them…” I said it so quietly that even I couldn’t hear it. But thankfully Elenteal could read lips and instantly knew what he had to do. He jumped over the side of the wall and ran to Bluevale Refuge to warn them of the coming danger, and from there he would head to Dreaming Bay to let Wulf know of the coming danger. We would need him for this if we are to hold. Even though I sent him it would still take them an hour or so to muster everyone for a proper defense force.

BG lost all of the bandwagoners who were responsible for that stuff Barab. Most of them left months ago.

Zerging is not a legitimate tactic in the game due to three reasons:
1. It exploits culling issues that GW2 can’t get rid of.
2. It exploits no collision, making it possible for 30 players to stand in the space occupied by one person.
3. While zerging is a legitimate war tactic it isn’t a very good tactic in real life, because of suppression and other variables that are not made available to us in the game — in WW2 a whole platoon (26 to 55 troops) got wiped by 2 guys with machineguns placed on either side of a wide pathway, their crossfire completely annihilated that platoon in less then a minute.

Given these three things, I conclude that one of the three is correct:
1. AoE cap should be removed.
2. Player collision should be implemented.
3. There should be more tactical counters, available guerrilla tactics, that are effective against zerging.

The first option, in my opinion, is the most viable, as AoE abilities are made to be less effective if the enemy is spread out and devastating otherwise, forcing people to watch their spacing, which is a requirement in any war scenario. It’s one of the reasons formations are used.

I do not feel the the other two are as easy to implement, as they may result in latency issues, development hardships, annoying bugs and other unforeseen issues down the line.

I would like to clear a few things up:

1. Zerging absolutely should remain a viable way to play WvW.

It’s accessible to casual players and an easy concept to understand. It also gives less committed or up-leveled players a way to contribute.

2. However Zerging should absolutely NOT be the most effective/rewarding way to play WvW.

Currently Zergs offer too much safety and don’t have enough effective counter-mechanisms in play. They need more effective counters and less safety in numbers.

Sureshot.6725:

First and foremost, I’m not even agreeing that zerging needs to be fixed because to fix something you need to accurately define it.

Ask 10 people and get at least 5 different definitions on what constitutes a zerg. The only commonality I find among the various definitions for zerg is that one side was heavily outnumbered.

Second, I see a lot of comments stating that lifting the AoE cap will resolve zerging. In this context it seems to be defined as a smaller group could take out a larger group if the cap was lifted.

However, as the larger group would still be able to AoE and bring more AoE to bear being the larger group, I fail to see how this would fix so called ‘zerging’.

I must be missing something.

Currently, because of the 5 man limit on AoE, a 5 man group attacking a 20 man has actually been handicapped to 25% of its ability. The AoE of the 5 man will only hit 1 in 5 of the 20 people.

But since the small group only has 5 people, the 20 man group operates at 100% ability. The AoE of each person in the 20 man group will hit every member of the 5 man group, since they are under the 5 man limit.

In effect, the AoE limit is a double whammy. It reduces the attack effectiveness of small groups against large, and increases the effectiveness of large groups against small. Under these circumstances, it is inevitable zerging becomes the main tactic.

Removing the AoE limit at least puts small and large groups on the same footing, which is all people are asking for. Just the chance to make an impact against the zerg. Perhaps to wipe one if its not too much larger, or your small group is much more organized. At least to feel you are having an effect.

If that can happen, then small group play will be feasible in the game again, because small groups will make a valuable contribution (instead of PvE’ing camps). This will lead to more small groups fighting each other, which is currently missing.

1. Lift AoE cap
2. Put in Fog of War, if you don’t have anyone near the camp at the far end of the map, you shouldn’t know that a supply yak is on its way.
3. Allow construction of forts, so you don’t have to defend offensive siege with so many people.

Uncap the aoe

Zerg vs Small Group fighting is now balanced

Checkmate

The easiest way to fix zerging in WvW would be to uncap AoE. It would force people to spread out, make zerging, botting and culling-exploiting less viable.

Did you guys know that JQ has always been in T1?

Thats the server called “Jade Quarry” and “T1” refers to tier one, as in the top three ranked servers’ matchup.

Just want to make sure everyones on the same page.

That would be page “3” at this time.

This doesn’t feel like tier 1. Too much complaining for the supposed top tier matchup where the biggest, meanest, most competitive servers play.

JQ has what it has. The real tier 1 servers will figure out how to deal with it as best they can. The other servers will not remain in tier 1 for long.

SoS recruits and gets quite a few guilds, its ok. JQ recruits and gets quite a few guilds, everyone that goes to JQ is considered a bandwagoning coward. What is wrong with this picture?

Ohai.8346:

If any of you JQ guys dislike the queue times, feel free to come over to SoS and fight against the bandwaggoning cowards who need victories handed to them on a plate instead of earning it.
No queues over here bar reset night, ever

Because it wasn’t handed on a silver platter the past several weeks to SoS right?

SoS has some of the most disrespectful players I’ve ever witnessed in any game community.

Props to both JQ and BG for good fights, it’s refreshing to fight an uphill battle this week, at least from my point of view. I’m definitely learning more about strategy this week than in the previous ten in tier 1, not to say those weren’t good battles. Hopefully someday soon I’ll be confident enough in WvW to use my commander tag against you guys. See you on the battlefield!

Score update brought to you by Qüaggan!

Intigo.1653:

Tajz.9826:

VotF is like a big number version of RG.

Haha, no.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, I love responses like these, cheers to that.