Guild Wars 2

I have been focusing on the negative. One of the members of that party did take the effort to show me what I should have done (even dying in the process because for some reason he wanted us to 2-man the first part). So yeah, they’re not all bad.

Yeah, I perfectly understand this. I have a Bifrost and a fractal backpiece that cost 500 ectos. I’m no stranger to farming (although I never took the COF speed farming route till yesterday) and I love getting better and more efficient at things. But I don’t think the process turned me into an elitist kitten. If you keep kicking less experienced (or just less informed) players without any explanation you’ll most likely get even more inexperienced players the next time. But yeah, I suppose you guys don’t have time to explain anything.

OliverT.9021:

Again, before the slave driver is activated, usually the warriors will throw down banners of strength, discipline and the warbanner.

1. Banner of strength -> Increases power and condition damage for the party -> Increases damage output

2. Banner of discipline -> Increases precision and critical strike damage -> Increases critical damage output frequency.

3. Warbanner -> Grants stability, fury, and some other buffs that I can’t remember offhand.

After which, each warrior will buff FGJ again. Basically the essence and purpose behind doing all these things are the same. You can see that everyone is trying to pre-buff one another as high, as far, and as long as possible to prepare for the duration of the fight.

It allows the boss to be taken down quickly, and as painlessly as possible. Once the slave driver is activated, the mob’s name and bar will turn from green to red color. Mesmer, using the focus #4 skill, pulls the boss to the wall.

This prevents the boss from running around, and allows the warriors to activate the channeling hundred blade skill. After the mesmer pulls the slave driver, put down time warp to increase everyone’s attack rate, which allows even faster damage output.

Not forgetting that everyone has been buffed, and by this time, your signet of inspiration should have returned to full cooldown, activate again, doubling each warrior’s might stack and fury duration.

During this fight, it is not uncommon for a warrior or two, to be down. If I am running this on a very good team, I typically don’t res them. The reason behind is because, we are taking down the boss faster than we can rescue the downed warrior that got targetted. So continuing to melt the boss quickly will rally anyone who is down.

After the mesmer does the portal at the rolling flame boulders, the warrior’s will buff each other with FGJ again. Same process repeats and for the same purpose. When the last FGJ is popped, the mesmer activates the signet of inspiration to give all the warriors 24 stacks of might.

This will help the warrior, who is doing the gate controller, to clear it effectively and efficiently

Thanks. That’s really what I needed. I read everything. It’s funny that I got kicked for things that don’t require any skill at all; it’s just that I hadn’t been well-informed about my class. The hardest part is to blink+portal before boulders even roll down and really if you can do that everything else is secondary. To me the opposite of elitism is teaching people like this.

Lafiel.9372:

Well since this group was obviously looking for fellow elitist like them, you shouldn’t have joined in the first place. But to be fair, what they mentioned is what I usually do when I run my mesmer for cof p1 farm. It’s fairly standard, casting feedback just before the turret hits, pulling mobs to the right turret, pulling slave driver into the war and casting TW immediately after, using signet of inspiration when you have 10+ might stacks or so the situation requires. You’re obviously a good player but not the elite they wanted. Just join another more party with more freedom. COF p1 is one of the few runs that people require the absolute perfection and to be honest, more than ever, it’s usually ALWAYS the warriors which slow the run down than anything a mesmer can do. If a warrior downs, it’s not the mesmers fault, it’s cause these zerker warriors don’t know how to use their dodge function appropriately (even if they think they do).

The worst elitist are the ones who THINK they are but really aren’t. There is no shame in being a little arrogant if you’re really that good but if you’re no good but you blame OTHERS for your death often, maybe you’re not so elite after all. Real elites can make even the worst party shine (given they at least follow or have some sort of communication e.g. k bro)

Thanks. I didn’t know those things (signet of inspiration and pulling mobs to the right turret). It’s odd that people (mostly warrior players) in these speed runs expect mesmer players to know that but then allow only 1 mesmer in the group and kick that one mesmer if they didn’t do things perfectly, without telling them exactly what they did wrong.

Zenguy.6421:

Barbelo.5916:

The gw2lfg post asked for an “experienced” mesmer with full berserker gear.

That’s your warning right there.

Those guys were playing a different game from the rest of us. I don’t envy them – their enjoyment of the game must be very shallow, their people skills seem dismal, at best, and if their actions are indicative, their values can’t be giving them a great experience of life either. Be grateful that at least GW2 is keeping them off the streets.

LOL!

Zaxares.5419:

Leo Paul.1659

They should’ve specified what they expect everyone to do, especially since you are the only mesmer. You pulling the slave driver or putting up a feedback isn’t even necessary for a fast run if them warriors weren’t so reliant on you. It was an odd preference by them and it is understandable that you are upset about it.

Anyone remember the Monk Strike from GW1? We should do a Mesmer Strike for CoF 1 speed runs.

I don’t have a level 80 warrior yet but I imagine warriors have an easier time than mesmers. There are many intricacies (and annoying quirks) to the mesmer class. I did cast timewarp about 5 sec after boss aggro because I wanted to have 3 clones alive to maximize my damage. Seems warriors don’t think about this.

Is kicking mesmers a common habit among COF speed run pug parties now? I’m just wondering.

SadieDeAtreia.8912:

Unless you specifically stated that you are a novice and then, if everyone agreed before the run started that it’s fine, you can not come here and complain about being kicked.
Speed runs are done for a reason. Most groups will run multiple times, and if you tell them beforehand they will (mostly) give you one or two runs to get your timing in and generally get better before expecting professional farming skills – that’s from my own experience with pugs.

The gw2lfg post asked for an “experienced” mesmer with full berserker gear. At that point I thought I was fairly experienced. The post didn’t say “must pull slave driver and timewarp fast” maybe because it sounds ridiculous. Since these groups only allow 1 mesmer I never got the chance to see another mesmer in action in these speed runs. I never would have known what I’d done wrong if I hadn’t asked. That’s what bothers me the most.

generalraccoon.3857:

Let me get this straight. The OP’s mistake was:
1. Didnt pull slave driver into the wall.
2. Didnt time warp fast enough.
3. Didn’t cast feedback fast enough.

And for that you get kicked? OMG I am so thankful for being in my guild then. I’d have been kicked a hundred times over by such people. I ran several CoF p1 farms recently. We never really did #1, is it really THAT necessary? As for the other 2 points, well, I get that some people want to do fast runs and all but I feel like that just crosses the line. It’s not like the OP didn’t do it at all.

The person that told me all this said we would have saved “about 20 secs” had I done everything perfectly.

LinkR.6190:

This kind of mindset goes with the territory of speed runs. You do something so much so repetitively that you get to a point that your mind can’t help but become machine like and demands absolute efficiency. It is sad when people reach this point and are so blind that they don’t realize what they have become and take a step back. This is primarily why I avoid speed runs, or party requests with those near elite red flags. Link gear, know fights, ect. Demands like that.

I know how it feels to be shut down like that in an instant when truly you were doing your best. Try not to let it get to you. There are still good people in this game. We aren’t all tools.

Oh yeah, I definitely understand that. Everybody risks getting into that mindset the better one gets at dungeons. Honestly it’s much more satisfying to see a less experienced player get better after a run with you than just to kick them (and sometimes it’s just fun to laugh at other people’s mistakes). I can just avoid pugs since I have an active dungeon-running guild. But it does get to a point where the community at large becomes so elitist that we shut out new players almost completely. Anybody here played World of Warcraft?

Vayne.8563:

Sorry but this isn’t the level of elitism is the Guild Wars 2 community. This is one group of elitists in the Guild Wars 2 community. I’ve never played an MMO that didn’t have elitists. Even Guild War 1, not a true MMO, had elitists. It’s unavoidable.

You’re right to be kitten off. But please don’t paint the entire community with one brush. I think by percentage there’s less elitism in this game than most MMOs. You just got dealt a bad hand.

I hope so. I suppose you don’t really notice it until you’re the one being kicked. I have seen elitists in many FOTM parties that I let slide because it didn’t happen to me. I have seen members kick other members over gear issue and I didn’t do anything because I wanted to stay in the party.

Just sharing an experience I had. I have 3 level 80 toons, 2 of them are at FOTM scale 39+. I’ve also earned the Dungeon Master title and do daily random dungeon runs mostly with my guild but sometimes with a pug party. I’d like to think I’m not an elitist MOST of the time and in all my daily runs I’ve only ever initiated a kick once and it was not due to gear issues or “noob” behavior but simply because the player went afk at a crucial time (at the arm seals in a 30+ fractal) without any logical explanation.

So today I went with my fairly new but fully zerk-geared mesmer to my first COF p1 speed run with a pug group. I’ve done COF p1 countless times before, most of them with my guildmates. And yesterday I joined a “casual” speed farming pug group with my mesmer (had 1 ele and later 1 guard, not full zerk) that did well (did 1 run in an average of 15min). But the group I joined today was one of those elitist groups that wanted 4 zerk warriors and 1 zerk mesmer and demanded that we ping our gears. We finished 1 run in about 10min. I THOUGHT I did everything right including blink-porting them through the boulders (on my first try). Then after the run I got kicked. I asked two of them why. Only one of them was kind enough to reply and tell me what I should have done. He said I “didn’t pull the slave driver into the wall and didn’t time-warp fast enough”. Also I cast feedback late at the turrets (apparently they didn’t notice I cast Phantasmal warden before casting feedback). Other than that I did everything right, he said.

I am astonished at the level of elitism in the GW2 community now. And especially because from what I was told I only made minor errors that I could have easily changed. I’ve tolerated much worse mistakes from other players without raging or kicking. Wouldn’t it have been easier to tell me what I did wrong than risk getting a less experienced mesmer on the next run? Or is it really just easier to initiate a kick?