Guild Wars 2

pot.6805:

Brutus.5732:

mikal.9502:

Keep it up SOR, T2 is getting closer and closer. Just need TC to move up. Maybe you can compete in T2.

This time last week BG was 60k from 1st place and 50k from 2nd place.

Try harder son.

Nice argument kid.

Fuzzion.2504:

It depends on who JQ decides should win the matchup.

This is why SOR targeting JQ in response to the 2v1 is the right move (BG should have done the same last week).

JQ was competing for the win before the 2v1, now they are not.

mikal.9502:

Keep it up SOR, T2 is getting closer and closer. Just need TC to move up. Maybe you can compete in T2.

This time last week BG was 60k from 1st place and 50k from 2nd place.

Jahn.7019:

I’m more curious to who’s going to win this matchup. Was last week a fluke for JQ or do they really have the muscle again for #1.

Unless SOR plays dumb BG wins this week.

Bolero Bloodreign.9025:

Weaselfierce.5241:

Bashfull.7894:

I have to say when we had TC it was more fun as it was 1v1v1 now that JQ are back its the same old crap.

2v1. Boring and just lame game play.

Dude… unless someone just quits, it’s always 2v1; that’s how WvWvW was designed.
and JQ never quits

I would agree with you that there will always be 2v1 in WvW. But in matchups involving servers with bitter rivalries, some servers will get teamed up more then others.

Example. What are the chances BG will team up with SoR against JQ compared to JQ teaming up with SoR against BG?

In a BG/JQ/SoR matchup, you’ll never find who the real #1, #2,#3 ranked servers are in NA because all 3 are fairly matched up that no one server is strong enough to beat out the other two in a 1v2 matchup.

The best matchups on a 4 week month would be something like BG/SoR/random in the first week, BG/JQ/random in the 2nd week, JQ/SoR/random in 3rd week, and a BG/JQ/SoR in the 4th week.

This will solve some of the double-team mismatches because people are honestly emotionally driven that emulate from rivalries having constantly fight each other every week.

Or you can have as a second option and make WvW a real 1v1 pvp experience involving 2 servers on three maps: two BLs and one EB.

I’ll use JQ and SoR in a matchup as example. One BL were it’s JQBL and the other SoRBL. EB will involve 4 servers, JQ/SoR with two other servers from another matchup. This eliminates 2v1 and encourages 2v2.

It also discourages 3v1 because there is no significant ppt gain if 2 of the 3 servers in the same matchup teamed up against another server from another matchup.

Finally, nothing is more boring over the long haul than the same SoR/JQ/BG matchup EVERY week of EVERY month of EVERY ye……..hmm.

4k difference between 1st and 3rd with lead swings along the way and people are complaining?

Less than 2 hours to go and I’m not seeing much of a karma train….slackers

Auroma.9126:

Shifty.4985:

Robot Chocken.7012:

All shifts of our server have worked hard this week. We have worked hard as well at organizing the server the past two weeks. We are giving it 100%. JQ is 2 vs 1 just like everyone else during NA. It is the nature of the beast. I give our server the credit if we win because we have worked hard for it. Crediting hatred between SoR and BG is just false.

Props to JQ on the win this week, well deserved.

SoR just focused BG because they wanted them to sit down and stop chest thumping, but also its like the only way bg will come out and play

Nothing is decided yet, too much time left for anything to be final. SoR can come first and JQ can drop to 2nd/3rd.

Or JQ can come first and BG can come 2nd. Anything is possible.

BG is ~50K out from 2nd with ~26 hours to go.

This week is decided, go out there and have fun.

Congrats JQ!

sostronk.8167:

The answer is yes on all 3 counts. My main playtime is oceanic which overlaps with sea, but I regularly play through sea timezone. As someone who has played for all 3 servers, Ive seen all 3 tick for over 400ppt for hours on end (the whole timezone). The full week I played for SOR we were ticking high 400s. But there is one major difference I have found with SOR’s sea coverage from that of JQ’s and BG’s and that is that the SOR population on this timezone is fickle. The big difference is essentially that JQ has WAHA and FOO and BG has MERC which does a lot of overtime and number of ~25-30 SEA guilds. Essentially I would argue that SOR has more players during this timezone but less organization, structure and consistency.

I call this my SOR SEA bigfoot theory; SOR has a huge SEA player base but you can’t see them because they only come out when you are offline.

In my first attempt to discover these mysterious creatures I scanned SOR ppt income graphs, trying to predict when they would appear so I could get a screenshot of them. Unfortunately I found no evidence and have come to the conclusion they do not count towards ppt.

Discouraged but not defeated I started monitoring our undermanned buff, constantly porting between BLs but the buff was omnipresent three quarters of the time. I did this for what seems like an eternity and it was very boring.

Hanging around alone at the pk I became very lonely and I would obsessively discuss my theory with any SOR SEA player I would come in contact with. I’m embarrassed to admit that during one long stretch of no contact I had a long conversation with what I now believe was a volleyball.

To make matters worst, often when I was lucky enough to make contact with another SOR player they did not speak english and my attempts to communicate my mission did not seem to be very effective. Obviously something was lost in translation as Asian players started pointing and laughing at me whenever our paths would cross.

While I have yet to find any clear evidence to support my theory I have received a few screenshots from anonymous sources but the pictures seem out of focus as the figures are very blurry. While the quality prevents me from using these pictures as evidence they have given me hope, my search continues.

The truth is out there.

Crimson Riddles.3892:

SoR has the upper in EU and NA EST, we don’t have the upper in SEA. SoR has a huge SEA population and can compete but JQ demoralized your SEA to the point of no return.

BG’s strongest time has always been NA PST & Oceanic, and even then it’s an uphill battle.

Hope SoR can fix their internal problems soon…

These SOR SEA delusions….check out SOR’s SEA ppt during the latest weeks we won the SOR\BG\JQ matches.

Judging from the SOR\TC\SOS match we probably match up well in SEA against servers other than BG and JQ.

You guys are funny, if BG gets a different matchup next week they win easy. As I said earlier I think this is the only matchup BG can lose.

Falling 1st to 3rd unheard of…….SOR did that. After 5 weeks of winning it was nice to take a couple of days off.

Vash.9183:

Brutus.5732:

Crimson Riddles.3892:

Your chest thumping is making you look bad.

We are still losing!

So what? I thought losing was a non-factor? Lol.

I’ve already said unlike a lot on my server I care about ppt but that is irrelevant.

My point is I think chest thumping is generally something you see from the leading server. I haven’t seen any “yay we are in 2nd place!!1!!1” posts.

Crimson Riddles.3892:

Your chest thumping is making you look bad.

We are still losing!

Crimson Riddles.3892:

keep telling yourself that :P

We are SOR 6 BG 6 in the last 12 weeks, a JQ win would be nice. I’ll still stomp JQ given half a chance but watching the comeback this week it is hard not to root for them.

If they do win I hope they win with a large margin, say 111k.

Vash.9183:

scootshoot.6583:

Vash.9183:

Brutus.5732:

Vash.9183:

Lol. Once again someone says that BG PvD’s during NYS, HIRE, SAHP, SONG, and GC prime-time. I also just realized that apparently BG is the only one who has the potential to PvD during all timezones, right… enlighten me more? Why would you mention any sort of PvD during EU when it is pertaining to BG?

Actually, you are always mentioning PvD.

You don’t maintain >400ppt if there are people to contest you. Do you really think NYS, HIRE, SAHP, SONG, and GC match you in numbers, or even come close, and you still maintain that ppt advantage over them?

PvDoor is how you won. Go check the history and your lead is from off hours, you lose the rest. The BG in this thread talking about SOR not showing up is hilarious, outside of SEA and the training week SOR > BG. BG is the only server that doesn’t have a big (for T1) coverage gap.

I mentioned EU because BG will PvDoor EU against any server other than SOR (e.g. JQ).

Yeah, okay. SAHP, SONG, and NYS run big numbers. This is coming from someone who has been fighting your SEA for months. We normally did not hit that high of ppt during SEA until a couple weeks ago when your SEA started showing up less. If you log on any time during this week, you will see that they are out in full force.

No need to sit in denial so strongly. Just log in.

Make no mistake, SOR needs the help of JQ’s SEA coverage (Waha) to help keep BG’s massive blobbing 1 million man army SEA zerg in check.

…Lol. I don’t even know what to say in these threads anymore. Reality check, please.

An exaggeration but the truth.

Crimson Riddles.3892:

Jet.4795:

What happened to all the love!?

SoR started chest thumping

You realize we are losing right?

Vash.9183:

Yeah, okay. SAHP, SONG, and NYS run big numbers. This is coming from someone who has been fighting your SEA for months. We normally did not hit that high of ppt during SEA until a couple weeks ago when your SEA started showing up less. If you log on any time during this week, you will see that they are out in full force.

No need to sit in denial so strongly. Just log in. This is not the first time that BG, SoR, and JQ have been matched up. Nothing is new. BG won against SoR and JQ in the same match-up before. Not trying to say much of anything with that last sentence, but just trying to point out that you are making this out to be a match that has never happened before. lol

You hit your high SEA numbers when Waha stopped fighting you during his defend nothing stretch (2 weeks) and our subsequent separation from JQ (3 weeks). That is kind of my point.

Ljiona.9142:

Lets not give JQ any credit or anything. It isn’t all about BG and SoR. JQ is kicking butt. Good job JQ, glad to have you back.

JQ is kicking butt and is the only server that can prevent BG PvDooring SEA for the win.

SOR prevents BG PvDooring EU.

This is the only matchup that BG can lose.

If (afk) Indo fails to hold BG’s garrison through the night then SOR morale will collapse.

Seigfried.5938:

On a serious note, what happened to SoR? Last week at this time they were leading( I think, or was it week before last?).

SOR seldom leads on the weekend but people simply aren’t playing.

Neuromancer.2148:

Brutus.5732:

Bolero Bloodreign.9025:

I doubt it’ll end up JQ#1, SOR#2, BG#3…..ever. It’s because SoR will never settle for #2 or #3. SoR will backstab their allies just to get the ppt for the #1 spot. If you guys remember during the last two BG/JQ/SoR matchup, SoR turned on JQ and constantly attacked JQBL during SEA hours trying to steal their ppt in order to stay close to BG for the lead. Did you forget this already?

Quite the work of fiction. Waha was doing his defend nothing\allow BG to recapture thing last time we were matched.

And JQ NA were doing their “let SoR smash BG” thing. Seems about equal to me.

It’s a three way game and unless the one server is totally unable to keep up with the other two, tides can turn on a dime depending on each server’s decided objective. Nothing new, unusual, or controversial here.

What does any of that have to do with the weird story Bolero invented?

Bolero Bloodreign.9025:

C’mon. Let’s see how well SoR can back up it’s words. Leave your keeps and towers alone for just one week. That’s all, just one week and take the #3 spot while JQ is in this matchup. Let’s see how much you’re willing to let JQ and us ( the two servers SoR hates the most) end the week ahead of you?

A lot of SOR doesn’t care about ppt, not all (and not me) but I would say a majority, especially among the SOR old timers.

We do not hate JQ, I know a couple of JQ haters but it is pretty rare.

Without looking back at old threads or mos who remembers how much BG beat JQ by in the last BG\JQ\DB matchup?

Bolero Bloodreign.9025:

I doubt it’ll end up JQ#1, SOR#2, BG#3…..ever. It’s because SoR will never settle for #2 or #3. SoR will backstab their allies just to get the ppt for the #1 spot. If you guys remember during the last two BG/JQ/SoR matchup, SoR turned on JQ and constantly attacked JQBL during SEA hours trying to steal their ppt in order to stay close to BG for the lead. Did you forget this already?

Quite the work of fiction. Waha was doing his defend nothing\allow BG to recapture thing last time we were matched.

Titan.3472:

Lol SoR will start crying about that double team that they kept asking for : should be around pages 4-5 of the thread matchup.
Have fun this week and good luck all 3 sides.

BG loses without SEA PvDoor which makes JQ the king maker in this matchup. It is probably the only matchup that BG can lose.

Massive sucking up to JQ by BG incoming.

Wrex will call you a girl (in her posh British accent) if you fail to follow that behind

Zikory.6871:

Titan.3472:

Kiltor.9362:

Titan.3472:

Thanks for the week match was fun. Good try SoR ^^, see you on next reset. XD
Giving pugs a tag doesnt make them anyhow better or more skilled but it looks like the guild is large. it’s only a lure.

This week was intense but BG won.

Titan War

in all honesty, seen bigger comeback

Right now there is exactly 25h left until match ends. so its 100tics. BG lead by 16 000 it means SoR have to hold an average +160ppt on 25hours long on the BG scoring: that will never happen so better go to pavillion to make some gold and keep your strenght for next reset now. XD

The overall points to gain are around 70000+/-5%. Considering the TC ratio they will gain 130k/530k=0.2452 X70000 =17169 +/-5% (so between 16311 and 18027) Then TC final score will be very close to 146807 (between 145949 and 147665)
So there is an overal points left of 70000-17169=52831 to share between BG and SoR. BG has 16k points ahead so it gives a net points left of 52831-16000=36831 points that will be available to BG and SoR. it means if BG gain more than 18k points in next 25hours we can’t loose anyhow.

Final score will be BG 225000 SoR 210000 TC 146000

Pop-Corn and Champagne for all

Well you might want to get in there and flip some camps because they have 250 PPT on us right now and going into NA where they have a good chance to maintain a high PPT. So they can make a comeback, It may not be probable but it is possible.

Nah BG SEA makes this non-competitive (and you know it), you maintained ~400ppt for ~8 hours today and you can easily do it any weekday. 14k gain was a new high for your PvDoor crew I believe.

Props for your NA work last night.

MagiKarp.8201:

@Brutus because SoR is finally showing up…

Not playing that card in it’s fullness but we have been dealing with the true SoR forces the last 2 nights. SoR has much SEA coverage, but complains so much and has this attitude where they tell their SEA not to try so they don’t. What you are seeing is your SEA trying, it is a bit of a shock to us the last two days, I’m sure it will get better for us (BG) over the next two days but please don’t play that bull “1 commander on all maps” you troll.

You denegrade the efforts of IRON, SAHP, NYS, GC, HiRE, SONG, SEC, AL, HS, XPK and the up early FEAR/TW et al with these comments, you have SEA boost their morale don’t crush it with bs complaints like this.

I’m not trolling. I’ve been there when we ticked for less than 50 and Lord Green is giving the pugs a british stiff upper lip speech.

Tarkus.4109:

Starscream.7803:

Stealth.8150:

Starscream.7803:

Dear BG, thats how you take a T3 keep <3

you mean pvdooooor

Would say we copied your sea/oceanic’s but they cant even take a T3 keep in their pvdoor time :P

You don’t play much oceanic don’t you, it is never PvD. . If OCX, HIRE and all the american night owls in thier 40+ man blob are doors sure we PvD. You don’t get leading ppt by having zero coverage.

I’m an east coast NA player that has played plenty of mornings when we are outnumbered on 3\4 maps with 1 commander and have seen a lot of PvDooring.

I’m not sure why BG SEA hasn’t logged in the last 2 days, the change in the income evolution graph is glaring, but BG can afford to take a few mornings off with no risk of losing.

Neuromancer.2148:

Oh look the thread is starting to go south. We must have taken the lead…

Everyone knew you would take the lead, you PvDoor ~10k per day.

Lemrish.5970:

It does seem like SOR does have a larger fair-weather player base then most servers. Over the past few weeks they have added [KISS], [SONG], [WARD], [ACO] that I know of. All guilds who run 25-30 in WvW on a given night. Yet they still have difficulty getting their people base out. Maybe they’re trying to recruit more guilds and are making it seem like they are the underdogs? It seems to be working since they’ve added more guilds then any other server over the past few weeks.

You argue that SOR is weak due to fair weathers and that SOR is faking it’s weakness so it can recruit in the same paragraph.

The faking weakness theory is kittened. Do you really think SOR is throwing the match so it can gain BG’s approval of SOR recruitment? You do know we call you Blackhole right? How much weight do you think we give to Blackhole’s opinion when it comes to our recruitment?

So what is different now vs a month ago when SOR won 5 in a row? SOR’s SEA ppt was still weak then but Waha (before he started defending nothing) was containing BG keeping ppt margins much smaller. I had no idea how strong BG’s SEA was until the last couple of weeks (that you can queue all maps was a big surprise to me) but even then you had Waha helping you so true SEA strength was hazy.

SOR needs to recruit SEA to be competitive with BG, otherwise BG can gain ~10k a day which our NA won’t even try to match as we would just burn out. Alternatively, SOR could just accept this as the status quo.

Guess I’ll do some real work….wtf

HolyMolla.6582:

so JQ NA guilds transferring to SOR?
BG should recruit WAHA to join so BG can stack SEA time.
Like how SOR keep stacking their EU and NA time?
and also SOR have a lot of sea time guilds, more than JQ.

Waha already plays for BG and he does so in a way that allows BG 2x the queue size.

Waha transferring to BG would be awesome for SOR.

Indo also told us last night while we were fighting in vale that it was your training guild. The huge zerg of up leveled asurians was hilarious.

The comment about SOR logging when Indo does was funny, he is a notorious ninja afk logger, I’m pretty sure you guys credit him with stuff when he isn’t there.

Liquid.9672:

How many matches in a row was flipping BG’s Garri priority #1 for Waha/FOO after securing their home BL? I’m pretty sure it’s in the double digits.

“after securing their home BL”.

Now he secures nothing and allows BG to take freely. That is the issue. Not the SOR focus, 2v1, etc.

BG gains an insane ppt margin, an unearned one unless you consider Waha an agent of BG (stooge).

10pm UK; How I welcome all your tears from our complete EU domination and laugh as we PvDoor everything you once owned. Good thing Waha didn’t defend anything as it would have been a wasted effort.

I’m off work now so I’ll be setting up shop soon in JQ Garrison which we PvDoored hours ago according to the schedule. Thanks IRON & KISS!!

Vash.9183:

Brutus.5732:

Rigel.3092:

Brutus.5732:

And yes I was serious about Waha being BG’s hero stooge.

You upset that Waha is not your alleged “stooge,” bro? Other than your continued conjectures and unfounded allegations, what kitten proof do you have that he is BG’s “hero stooge”? Nada, not a kitten thing. Bugger off and play the game, forum warrior, and oh, stay classy….

I’m upset that Waha’s play is kittening up the matchup and BG’s full embrace of it. BG gaining 7-10k every day in SEA can’t be overcome.

So SOR has a Waha problem, I see 2 possible solutions:

1) Stack SOR Sea
2) Focus JQ until they drop out of Tier 1

I’m pretty sure SOR won’t choose either, they don’t care as much about the ppt game as I do, but I wish they would.

You do know this is a 3 way match-up and not just a 1v1. So they can’t really be “kittening up the match-up.” I was wondering, how long have you been in tier 1 against JQ? Are you just now realizing that JQ has a SEA force that can wreck things up?

I invite BG to adopt Waha’s defend nothing strategy.

This is a 3 way matchup but when one of those 3 decides not to compete at all and throw everything to one of the other 2 the matchup is kittened.

CzarsWarr.9864:

Also, i cant even count how many times bg got double team’d theses weeks/months and sor is complaining because of some days? Ok then… thats probably sor conception of balanced matches: full maps zergs + double teaming someone.

What Waha is doing is not a simple double team, everything he takes benefits BG to the detriment of SOR and JQ.

There is only one server due to loose points this week…

Rigel.3092:

Brutus.5732:

And yes I was serious about Waha being BG’s hero stooge.

You upset that Waha is not your alleged “stooge,” bro? Other than your continued conjectures and unfounded allegations, what kitten proof do you have that he is BG’s “hero stooge”? Nada, not a kitten thing. Bugger off and play the game, forum warrior, and oh, stay classy….

I’m upset that Waha’s play is kittening up the matchup and BG’s full embrace of it. BG gaining 7-10k every day in SEA can’t be overcome.

So SOR has a Waha problem, I see 2 possible solutions:

1) Stack SOR Sea
2) Focus JQ until they drop out of Tier 1

I’m pretty sure SOR won’t choose either, they don’t care as much about the ppt game as I do, but I wish they would.

9pm UK; SOR must own everything by now with our completely overpowered EU PvDooring hordes.

I bet JQBL looks lovely painted completely green.

Vash.9183:

Are you going to move on or just keeping saying the same thing over and over?

I couldn’t “work from home” today so the boards are all I have, but I will respond to all the BG folks trying to give Waha’s bullkitten play cover for your own benefit.

Tajz.9826:

Kryyg.8576:

To be honest, I’m pretty frustrated and soon to be done with this server.

There is no ‘current JQ’, everyone just does their own thing and no one wants to work together. It’s getting old and tiresome.

Waha and ATM’s BS is the the final straw I feel, not just for myself but for a lot of guilds on JQ. Lot of people disagreed with him because trying to break a server is lame first of all as this is just a game(why would you want to do that, it’s malicious and petty) and also it was destroying us in the other timezone because all our SEA would do is focus SoR and it would leave us exposed everywhere else because he would sacrifice everything we owned just to flip SoR’s stuff past 3 weeks. And that’s not even including the countless times he would let BG take our garrison in home BL and hillside in BG while going after SoR garrison.

I don’t know who from SoR kitten ed in Waha’s cheerios but you made him go from an intelligent strategic commander to a hate ridden commander hell bent on destroying SoR while destroying his own server. Congrats, you’re an idiot too.

You just dont think throughly. JQ has no EU so as BG having less EU while SoR clearly have much EU numbers. If JQ SEA focus on BG, SoR will run rampage in EU getting all their keep upgraded, thus when their superior NA come it’s unstoppable for both BG/JQ. Flipping BG’s keep in JQ SEA isnt helping JQ, it’s helpping SoR’s. Plus if Waha clearly aint wandering into BGBL but hitting SoRBL, it’s most unlikely for BG to hit JQ Garrison unless nothing left at all. This is why the score still remain close and competitive.

Good choice he picked. (Btw: JQ SEA been focused BG for months, just recent week they start to aim SoR so reall… no point crying over a river)

Did Waha previously run through BG so SOR could PvDoor behind him and let SOR cap JQBL without opposition?

BG sure does love Waha’s stooge strategy.

pot.6805:

Brutus.5732:

pot.6805:

SoRs OCE, SEA and EU have completely given up.

SOR’s (and BG’s) ppt this time of day has been similar all week, they must have given up early.

Sorry to hear that man.

You are a very witty fellow. /bow

Skoti.3195:

CzarsWarr.9864:

I would say the best open field fights are against JQ.

Especially when JQ is on the left side, BG on the right side and SoR in the middle?

Didin’t know that BG can suck-up to the JQ that much.

WTF Iron less forum posting and more PvDoor pls!

pot.6805:

SoRs OCE, SEA and EU have completely given up.

SOR’s (and BG’s) ppt this time of day has been similar all week, they must have given up early.

8pm in the UK, I assume SOR’s omnipotent and omnipresent EU guilds are busy PvDooring everything….

Neuromancer.2148:

This is funny considering how much “help” JQ’s NA gives to SoR.

I agree if by help you mean awesome fights, the RATS fight in vale was very funny!

All this kitten about JQ SEA not holding because they will lose it in EU.

Perhaps SOR NA should rampage around like idiots because we will lose it all in SEA. Perhaps SOR SEA should not defend at all and just /dance, it is futile anyway.

Why hold anything if it will all be lost eventually?

You hold to put points on the board for your team and the challenge of holding it for as long as you can.

And yes I was serious about Waha being BG’s hero stooge.

Burl.9567:

Those that are “happy” or “ok” with this are in the minority. Given 2-3 weeks, I don’t think JQ will be having matches with us any longer as many are looking elsewhere already.

That will be a sad day for BG, separated from their hero stooge.

Brutus.5732:

I wonder if BG’s score would even be close without Waha, the vast majority of their ppt gains are during SEA.

Which is why I advocated forgetting BG and just destroy JQ until we replace them with a real competitor (that tries to control the map, not give it way). Apologies to those on JQ that put in the work but Waha’s tactics are deserving of this.

lol at the BG defending Waha\ATM, your ppt addiction has no shame.

For the NA folks that never play SEA, just keep the following open at home while you are at work and you can log the full power of BG’s conquest (5 minutes after Waha rolls through).

http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/map/831

I wonder if BG’s score would even be close without Waha, the vast majority of their ppt gains are during SEA.

Kryyg.8576:

Now that the cat is out of the bag, SoR is probably just going to get more stubborn and not care about winning and just focus down JQ for having such petty ideals and short sighted tactics.

I advocated for this during last weeks reset meeting.