Guild Wars 2

fab.3298:

I see you guys finally got round to teaming up. A fairly equal prime-time match up has now become an FSP roflstomp. It doen’t matter though we still had fun tonight, i just feel bad that MS is getting the short straw and is taking damage that would otherwise go to FSP.

I wonder if we’ll still see FSP players in here having a go at MS? Probably not.

MS attacked us in our bl, and we attacked their bl (and, for some reason, you helped all the time MS by attacking us at the Hills while ML was attacking you at the Bay).

As Ironvos stated, MS just defended their stuff better.

mursie.3681:

How do those classes have two in a five man team..if the thief is so overpowered? How is this possible?

SPOILER – because the thief is not OP

The answer is really simple. The spvp is not focused on killings the foes, but on the ability to maintain the objectives, so it’s logical that a bunker is more powerful than a burst damage class.

If we consider the PvP as a clash between players with no bullkitten like the objectives (and I do not mean zerg, but a fight between parties, just like the Daoc’s gank), well the situation is different, because the ability to kill quickly the enemies is far more important than the capability to stand without making significant damage.

And yes, in WvWvW you can roam with a party, and the pvp ‘pro players’ that assimilate all the WvWvW players to pve players are just too noobs to roam in WvWvW (and no, taking a stupid flag is not like making and inc 5 vs 10).

TGSlasher.1458:

@Anet, we play D/D (bunkers in general) because everything else gets destroyed by thieves backstab combo / unprepared 100 blades (although a lot less to 100 blades then invisible thieves). And our “damage” builds are so subpar that it’s not worth specking those points.

This is only partially true; the reality is that the Guild Wars 2’s class system obeys to this rule: bunker>burst>balanced.

The thieves are op (they’re THE op class), but all elementalists use the d/d bunker build just because is clearly op too (how many times you died without being able to escape? Ikittennow how to play, an ele bunker is just impossibile to kill).

Sure Anet have to nerf thieves and hb warrior, but they have to nerf also many bunker build because as it’is ridiculous you can be killed in less than a second, so it’s ridiculous you cannot kill a class that, thanks to its resistance and its escape ability, is almost immortal

The tactic of UW is the most logical (they defend their border an attack where they find a weak defense, an our br is very weak now), in my opinion they are playing very cleverly during this week. ^ _ ^

Xanti.8672:

Hacking is officially punished with bans while using a mesmerportal aint. So sorry to say mate but your argument doesnt really make any sense -.-

Also the abuse of a bug is officially punished with the ban, and, sorry my german mate, but you are not using only a mesmer portal, you are abusing of the culling issue, in other words you are abusing of bug, and you are perfectly aware of that.

Quote from the Rules of Conduct:

[Quote]“You will not exploit any bug in Guild Wars 2 and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug (bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits) either directly or through public posting, to any other user of Guild Wars 2.”[/Quote]

Is the portal redux badly affected by the culling issue? Yes.
Is the portal redux working as intended? No.
The portal redux affected by the culling issue grants you ad unintented benefit? Yes.

So yeah portal issue violate the Rules of Conduct.

Enraged.5048

Culling does not support portals, it works against it. The advantage you can take out of culling is, thats the enemy does not know where you are. If you know use a portal, he does exactly know where you are!

Ahahah nice, so portal redux sucks but you still use it. Mmmm no there’s something strange… oh yes a mesmer exit outside the door and cast an instant portal, after 1 sec an invisibile zerg pop out and kill all the besiegers… yeah pretty easy to counter just like countering a p/d thief.

LearnToPlay.1845:

1 last thing to the portal / culling problem.

If anyone that actually believes that using mesmer portals is so strong because of the culling I would like to invite you to research what culling is and how it functions.

Fact is: The mesmer portal has a range of 6000 (measured on a spell of 1200range) and 6000 range is not enough to force the rendering of the players again, know as culling.

This is not a fact and is not true. When you use portal the server have to send information to the clients, just like the thief’s stealth (and is known that stealth is affected by the culling issue).

LearnToPlay.1845:

Culling in general shouldnt be clarified a unfair since both sides have to deal with it at the exact same sittuation. Ofc no one likes getting killed without knowing what hit him but allways rember the opponent didnt know how many they killed either.

Incorrect, when you use portal redux you know what you are doing, but the people outside the wall no, so while u can spam AoE (enemies are scattered), your foes are just blind.

Xanti.8672

Yes we do use portal bombs and we also know that many players do have culling issues but dont you think that we should have an advantage running into you guys while being outnumbered 1:3?

According to your argument even the use of hack is legit if outmanned (is just an advantage)

LearnToPlay.1845:

Well,
Culling is a problem but as you mentioned its pretty much the fault of anet.

Sure, every bug is a failure of the developer, but no one forces you to abuse of it. For some reason Anet (the same Anet that bans people for using a recipe or for sending gold via mail) prefer to ignore the situation saying only that they are working to resolve culling, meanwhile everyone can abuse of it.

Enraged.5048:

Kinda strange, i feel exactly the oppsite of you. The last few hour of the old match, we had a group of 25 People of our guild (+ maybe 1-10 Random fellows) against a zerg of maybe 50+ of FS on Dzagonur homelands. I dont wanna cry, we did fare well, you didnt even get more then one tower, we slaughtered about 500 of yours in 3 hours. And i didnt see that much exploting, but mad ppl gonna be mad.

You were outmanned just because u had locked your score, but during the afternoon you weren’t outmanned.

FS outnumbers us on 3/4 Maps during the day, thats ok for you.
DZ outnumbers you on 3/4 Maps during the night, thats ok for me.

so basicaly each and everyone of us is happy, as long as his server is winnig, its that easy!

No? If u like pvdoors is ok, but maybe the other prefer to fight for the score. Usually you are outmanned during the day just because (due to winter’s holiday) many people on your server are playing during the night and, unless they are cyborgs, they have to sleep during the day. Basicaly you are outmanned during the day because u prefer to get score during the night.

LearnToPlay.1845:

Eclipse used a memser zerg Oo??? we dont even have more than 4 mesmer and there prolly never online at the same time.

My fault, I expressed myself badly, I wanted to say that you use (abuse) portal bomb in every siege, the zerg mesmer episode is not relatate to Eclipse.

AND the “Portal Redux Roll” or “Portal bomb” as you call it, is a totally established manoeuvre that actually requires coordination to pull off, rather than just pushing in and out, zerging around like nobodys business. No one is ashamed using it. I would do it way more often if I / We could!!!!

Do you know why Portal Redux Roll are so powerfull? Because your zerg is rendered after 5-10 sec, in other words your tactic is all focused on abusing of the culling issue. So yes, technically you’re a bug abuser, but is not only your fault because the main offender is the Anet and her absolute inability to solve the problems related to culling.

p.s.

Portal Redux Roll is not a question of coordination, u just push f over a mesmer portal and spam AoE, not very difficult if u have Ts or ventrilo. Coordination is focus the same target, use cc intelligently, studying the setup of the group ecc…

Dropper.9176:

You shouldn’t have started a Thread , the crying begins immediately…………

Dz didnt got more Player than FSP, DZ Night capping / FSP Day Capping, DZ Style is boring portal bombing ( To name that a Style and say thats a Server Trademark is even ridiculous), Last matchup was more Fun for FSP ( No wonder you was leading that one in the End with 50 K + Points ……), And yeah of course the pointless Luftwaffe Thread ………..

Stop crying please. Thank you

Crying?

Am I wrong when I say that Dzagonur nightcapped even the 31th/1st night? No. (wow you germans really know how to party!)
Am I wrong when I say that the main tactic of your commander is the portal bomb? No, and when u use portal bombs during every siege, then is cleary a trademark, one day u used even a mesmer zerg to portal bomb inside a tower lol (Eclipse Guild FTW).

If you are ashamed of your severs gameplay style is just your problem

Last match was more interesting? Yes, because none of the servers wanted to win at all costs, using all possible tricks.

I enjoyed more the last match with UW and RoF, Dzagonur style is really boring: zerg, portal bomb (I think that they use portals also in rl), and night cap.

SniffyCube.6107:

toughness = a thief’s bane

Oh yeah!

Fortunately, my main character is a thief d / p (the screen is taken form my warr), but when I saw that damages I’ve done a big laugh thinking about how Jon Peters and co. worked (?) on the d/d spec. Great job guys!

The funny thing is that you are all saying that c/d and backstap are easy to avoid (in other words you’re saying that thieves are crap), but then you continue to play this class and in pvp (spvp and WvWvW) there are more thieves than other classes.

My main is a p/d thief (more lethal than a d/d spec), but at least I’m honest enough to say that is far superior compared to other classes.

Is a l2p issue? In small part, but, in addition to the culling issue, the main problem is that for some reason in Guild War 2 all the burst damage and bunker spec are clearly broken, because a well played bunker is immortal (I’ve also a ele d/d, so I know how it works) and a well played damage dealer can kill you in a second (personally i’ve seen a warrior doing 10,500 damage on 2600 armor with the axe’s burst skill 3, ridiculous!)

DigitalMaster.4870:

I main a thief, and i can easily say we are like one of the weakest classes right now.

Everywhere i go i feel so insignificant.
Low health pool
Low condition removal
Low direct damage
Low AoEs

Other than our 2 attacks (backstab, heartseeker).
There is not one class out there that can’t out-perform us.
Yet we get all off the kittenstorm because we have one OP combo that apparently kitten everyone, everytime.
Since release it’s been downhill for the thief. Nerf after nerf after nerf. And i chose this class because i was sick of my ele being squishy as hell.

Now i could be going around and giving suggestions, but i have never noticed any suggestion put into the game at all. I’m not even going to put effort into it.

Everyone is probably going to try proving me otherwise and tell me to L2P, but i’m not giving up on thief, i’m just saying to lay down the kittenstorm.

I do not want to be offensive, but if you say things like thief has low condition removal, you don’t know very well this class and maybe you need a little more practice.

Thief class has one of the best condition removal, the best dd (and without any cd), one of the best aoe (cluster bomb), excellent condition damage (p/d FTW), and yes, we have a low health pool, but we can bypass this problem with a lot of tricks (stealth, regen, life steal), and I can easily say that my thief is more resistant than my ranger alt.

If you don’t know these things and you can kill people… well this is the proof that our class i op, because is like using an elemetalist without using water attunement.

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

Glass cannon thieves are difficult to play because it is very easy to die.

Have you ever played a thief? I said this because, as a thief, I find really hilarious your statement. Maybe you have to pratice more with our class, because with the culling bug a glass cannon thief in WvWvW is just a god.

Doomdesire.9365:

So basically your argument is “can’t kill anyone”.

His argument can easily strengthened with only one consideration. Have you ever counted the number of thieves in WvWvW? Do you think that there is a ton of thieves (they outnumber every other class) because they are beauty or because they are op?

I’ve a thief, a p/p thief, and I know what he can do, I now that, with him, I can make things that I can never make with any other class, and I know that WvWvW is full of noobs thieves that win using only 3 skills (and no, you cannot prevent something you don’t see, if someone counter you is just your fault).

Ele d/d is op? Yes is op because he is immortal, but if an ele d/d kills you is just your fault, because countering an ele d/d, or a guardian bunker, ecc…. with a thief is very simple.

I really love all the thief d/d defender

In WvWvW the thief is probably the most used class in all the servers, and, based on my experience, is the class with the highest % of noobs (222222 FTW). Well, in all the mmorpg there’s a simple rule: if all the noobs use a class, than that class is op.

Even without considering the damage of d/d spec (just for exemple: heartseeker [initiative cost 3 and free tp of 450 y] is more powerlfull than unload [channelled and with 5 initiative cost), in WvWvW the thief is nearly immortal, and if you have problem to escape from bad inc, well… you just have to l2p.

In Daoc, for example, you have just vanish and purge, no speed and no tp, but you can escape if you’re good, and now you are telling me that in GW2 [tp, speed, and even 5 in combat stealth] is hard to find a way to escape? LOL, maybe I’m very skilled (I hope so), but usually in WvWvW the enemies kill me only when I decide to fight them without running away (I can survive even the zergs).

P.S.

My main is a thief, I’ve played stealther since Daoc, and I can say that the Guild Wars 2’s thief d/d is one of the worst stealther I’ve ever played (easy mode FTW), and for this reason I’ve decided to use a p/p spec to enjoy the fight.

I played stealthers in all mmorpg (from Daoc to Guild Wars 2) and, in my opinion, the Thief Guild Wars 2 is one of the worst balanced class in the game, so powerful that is just boring.

The thief has the highest burst damage in the game, one of the highest sustained damage, an incredible ability to survive, and is really easy to use (with the elementalist I have to use 8 skills to make the damage of cloack and dagger + baskstap, and that’s why there are a lot of thief ). These features can not coexist in a single charater, is just absurd (in WorldvsWorldvsWorld I’am almost immortal).

At the beginning I liked this, but now I can say that I don’t enjoy killing enemies in a second, nor to be almost immortal. The great thing about the stealther in all the mmorpg is that, in most cases, they require a great ability to understand when to attack (otherwise you are just dead), but this is completely absent in Guild Wars 2, because there are endless escape routes thanks to the incredibile number of in combat stealth skills.

I do not think that the damage of the thief is too high (expect the damage of steal that is absurd), the problem is that the broken stealth allows you to use an unlimited number of opening during a fight, which is totaly silly (on Daoc I can make just one Perferate artery and vanish has 5 min. cooldown), and, even you are a noob, you can just stealth and tp.

In conclusion, I think the first thing to do is to renovate the stealth dynamic, eliminating the possibility of hiding during the fight (or at least reduce the in combat stealth skills to one with an high cd – like Daoc’s vanish), and giving a permanent stealth with movement speed reduced (50%)

kanebrandyn.9321:

go back to playing wow. do you guys realize that what anet is doing has never been done before? do you guys realize how much free content you got with this patch? stop acting so entitled, and stop complaining because you didnt get any good drops from the events. i had alot of fun with this event. the new dungeons is freaking sweet. the new zone is pretty cool. all this free stuff just months after release? cmon guys.

Really, I love this kind of post. The event was a huge boring lag party… but hey is free, you have to like it!

If you like to pass 3 hours hitting a mob with autoattack I’m happy for you, but blaming other people cause they don’t like the event (and all his problem) is very childish.

Casual game?

Lion’s Arch now seems like Dalaran of Wrath of the Lich King (LFM Fractals only diff. x+) and in the future you we’ll see also the ascendant prerequisite.

No, this is not a casual game. If you can grind and you like Super mario bros dungeon is ok, otherwise Anet thinks you don’t deserve any respect.

Wow….

They haven’t solved any major issue, theu haven’t nerfed backstap ridiculos damage, and, just to demonstrate their capacity, they have nerfed the elementalist (one of the most underpower and bugged class of the game).

Well, at list they’ve just introduced some korean’s stuff…

No, I don’t want to farm the ridiculous Guild Wars 2’s dungeons to make WvsWvsW.