Guild Wars 2

1) ArenaNet will never reply to this.

2) Yes, it’s a money grab.

Instead of the free ‘expansion-like’ content they promised releasing through the LS, we got some short, linear story instances to click through and a couple of PvE maps in three years. Now they want more money to provide ‘actual’ expansion content.

maddoctor.2738:

I know that currently that’s how it works, rewarding mindless afk 1111 farming instead of skill and ability. But why can’t they change that with their “Challenging Group Content”?

You haven’t been paying very close attention over the last three years, have you? :P

i guess so mr pino it is sad bc i really dont lik the idea of a tredmill. they are like polictians and anet is wors than obama

i dont hvae asended gear bc i tthougt there would b no tredmill in gw2

i read the manifeso and this change seems to voilate the manifeso

i dont want to alway grind grind grind for gear thats why ibought gw2, 2 play and have fun not run in circals for gear

pls just undo the ascend gear leavin oragne gear at the top

thanks for listening,
thomas petres

EotM is a pretty good joke.

Were there generic mobs with a basic break bar in the HoT beta? Anyone know how much it takes to break it? Would one DF do it? A DF and some blinds? Two DFs?

Thanks, just making sure I’m not crazy

Hope I don’t get infracted for making an observation.

lol, did this just get unlocked? Wasn’t it locked a few minutes ago?

NikeEU.7690:

I think everyone is still collectively scratching their heads that Ice Bow will still be the meta.

^

Dusk, can you try to squeeze some blood from that turnip? I mean…they have to be aware that IB is pretty much breaking what little PvE we have.

Maybe they have something else planned? Or as Jerus suggested, maybe they think the breaker bar will be enough (though this still leave the launch content easily trivializable)? Or are they just ignoring it, because…well, you know….instanced PvE?

Sigh…who am I kidding :/

inb4 silent lock.

My main account is temp banned as of a few minutes ago. How dare I politely ask for moderators to leave a comment letting us know why they close threads after they shut a couple healthy threads down with no explanation xD

Funny thing is…have you guys ever seen an ‘update’ to an old infraction? I had a warning/pointless infraction from a month ago get ‘updated’ just now to include points so that they could ban me. Neat trick.

Oops….
I mean…
uhm…

trinty is comming! deth to metazerg eleete!

i never said force metatrinty

it will be optional but more encuraged by design. zerk can still do fight but it wil b more hard. all the new tank and heal builds in HoT are bc the new fight will be complex and benefet from having tank and heal hybrid with dps

u can still zerk but most will hybrid for survive because HoT will be more hard than gw2 now

it s about play how u want with choices

and german sheepherds are WAY bettr than jack russles

i think that well see a new hybrid meta for sure but not just condipower hybrds

anet is defintely startin to make trinty play more viable by adding tank agro mecanics like taunt and venti heal revnent

this means that trinty parties will be better as they add more of this.

but. since theirs not strong agro or heal build type yet it will need to hae hybrid dps/tank and dps/heal

its excitin to see areanet making trinty happen in gw2 so we can play how we want instead of stuk with meta alway

dlonie.6547:

I’m personally excited for the HoT trinity announcement.

me 2

watch nikeeu’s video of trinty play in WILDSTAR.

the mechanic is simple to explane ok but it can be used to build more harder fight

here the mechanic is now stand around a boss that cnt move and dps until it dead <- zerker meta did i nail it

i see it diffrent. i like play heals so i never had problems finding group in trinty

if u have bad time finding group as dps make a tank/heal alt. wanna play dps too bad

ok ok i dont mean that im just makin a point

bc thats what im told here when i try to heal:: switch to dps wanna play heal too bad

there is no play how i want when no one needs the toon i wanna play

IndigoSundown.5419Gear provides passive boosts to stats. Changes to passive aspects of games do not promote more interesting play. Changes to active aspects of games promote more interesting play. Interesting gameplay can be achieved via demanding that players use their skills, active defense, positioning, etc. more or in different ways. It can be achieved via diverse fight mechanics.:

None of this requires wearing different gear — except in the heads of people who cannot get over the idea that gear is a major determiner of role. That’s not what gear does in this game. Gear determines condition v. direct damage and survivability v. damage. Role is determined by profession, weapon choice, utility choice and traits.

Lupicus is a more interesting fight than the HotW story shaman Champion that just stands in one place and uses 2-3 ST attacks in the same rotation. As with all PvE content, though, even interesting active play and mechanics remain interesting only so long.

So, will HoT content task players active play more? Probably. Will that last? Not likely. Will it affect dungeons that ANet has no intention to do anything with? Nope. Will glass gear still be the meta choice in dungeons? Yep. Will people continue to use whatever gear they want in the persistent world events? Yep. Will there be PvP/WvW complaints about Rev heals? Maybe, it depends on how much the tablet issue limits the Rev. Dedicated healing and tanking is not going to happen without much more drastic changes to the game than a CC that will be less than reliable and increased healing.

ok that makes sence i guess. gear doesnt make the game mor intersting, but i think it still matters

sure changin gear dont chang the content but thats bc the content isnt divers enof to make u WANT to change gears. everything is stand and spam

now if there were trinty and rolls then evryone would WANT to chnge gears and not try to tank in zerk lolol

so while the gear wont fix the problem. the lack of gear diversty, is a simptom.

and i say trinty is the cure

thanks for the info that wiki is neat. there goes my afernoon

you may not use only zerg gear but that means u are not the problem

all these other ppl sayin ‘no trinty zerk is ok’ though

i hope anet isnt listens to them. i bought gw2 to play a casul gameplay were people have fun but its hard to have fun when u cant play how u want. trinty would help a lot with that i thnk.

maybe they shuld redo the lfg tool. take out desc and just make it a que so everyone just gets auo paired

since theres no trinty (for now!!!) and no rolls any group setup can play thro the content and there woud be no more zerk only for fast run nonsence.

how did you find that? i was lookin on the bl tp for the stats but i couldnt count them all.

only 24 stats means there r still 23 that dont get used. not a troll i just wnat to help make the game more fun bc zerkmeta is lame. if evryone who wants zerkmeta to change is a troll thn i guess there are a lot of trolls lol

ok smartee pants how many armors are even in the game

since u think its even posble to know that

TheRandomGuy.7246:

ForeverAway.5948:

instead of just one gear for evrything.

there are 93 amrors, y?

Armor count is increasing at an alarming rate.

ok ok i didnt actually count but it isnt import

my arguement is still sound even if the number is off

ugh the non zerk groups are so slow and usully rly bad. they dont ask for gear but i want to go fast like the exp groups do

my clerc gurad is in the meta too and i tell them but they dont listen. sometimes i even sned them this but it dont help

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Holy-Trinity-is-back-Cleric-Guard-FOTM/first

still kick :-(

i even get kick when i ping my zerk pants from my bag. i ask one time y he said runes

how could i rune any thing the run hadnt even started yet!!!!

sorry op for changin topic i thought it was relvant but ill be quite

do u pug?

evry PUG group i join kicks me unless i ping the gear in my bag insted

i still get kickwhen i try to play heals so it is true

only zerg gear is used else u cant play.

i dont like it but its true

it make sense since all is zerk. we dont even need differnt armor slot lol

instead of just one gear for evrything.

there are 93 amrors, y?

meta problem here is all fights have same best BIS

we need to have fights need divers gear for more interest gameplay

IndigoSundown.5419:

Sorry. Assuming that having a tank and/or healer becomes required, there will always be a single gear choice for that role, just as there is for DPS. That’s what a metagame is in an MMO; the most popular choice because it’s considered to be the best choice. There is only one best choice. All a trinity meta does with dedicated roles is make tanks wear the best tank gear, healers the best heal gear and DPS the best DPS gear.

sorry 4 my enlish im still learning. i dont think i made my point good

when all role is dps there is only zerk no other stats are dps. just need power crit

othr roles can use more stat as i shown in my list. boontime, dps, tough, hp, etc all can b used for tweeking for spacific encounter

there is no tweek for dps no reason to do anything but zerk

hopeful that is more clear

Ranael.6423:

Have you played an ele recently ? Do you really think they don’t swap attunement and only auto attack? Have you ever tried to take an ele and stack might and fury for your group by just pressing 11111 ?

i sad elley not a warrior with phallax strength :P

I admit some path (especially low level dungeon) have bosses that melt too fast ( downscaling is meowed ) but if it is too easy for you then stick to HotW and Arah and try the 111 even with three ele. Watching a video on youtube doesn’t make you play, it just gives you the impression that everything is too easy.

ive seen arah and hotw too

arah is all stealth and run and breaking bosses or reflect abusing

hotw is 111111 you just get whet wile you do it :P

its been their for a while cant go in

anet is trolling

SlyDevil.3952:

I find it amusing when the dps of 25 ppl has trouble going past 70k on the bosses, and I’m sitting on staff ele dps at around 10% of the groups total dmg.

you couldnt know that without cheating

MarkoNS.3261:

ForeverAway.5948:

MarkoNS.3261:

Puls.5867:

Don’t nerf IT just… Make it so we don’t have to stack in a spot in a dungeon and spam 1 I hate how boring that style is then getting kicked from a group for wanting to do it a funner way xD

Well that is your opinion some of us do every dungeon every day and we speed run them we dont want to do them in a funnier way we just want to do them as fast as possible.

but your way isnt fun

why r u playing the game if u dont want t have fun and just rush rush runrun 111111?

what is this 11111 you talk about if you want to play properly you use rotations kitten , and i play dungeons because they are the best way to get gold unless you have inside information about tp stuff.

oh dont me started on flipprs and how their braking the econmy

rotation i dont see them

no one in dungons press n e thing but 1. elies break boss with ice bow then all go to slep, wkae up, get reward

you call that fun? how?

quote=5132932;Ranael.6423:]

but your way isnt fun

why r u playing the game if u dont want t have fun and just rush rush runrun 111111?

Fun is really not an objective thing, people have fun while earning IG gold. And really I wish to see once a group of people rushing and only pressing 11111 though an entire dungeon, even AC, and go till the end without dying. [/quote]

join a pug with two elles youll see

IndigoSundown.5419:

ForeverAway.5948:

what is BiS?

Best in Slot, referring to gear with the maximum amount of stats. In GW2 this is Ascended gear (and/or Legendary Weapon).

ForeverAway.5948:

lol rite thier are 83 stat in the game but onyl zerk can be used. and you say ‘divesity’ smh

when anet anounces trinty based raids for chalanging group content well finaly have a use for other gear not just zerk. ventrilso can wear clercs for OP healing and still have a main power state for rly strong dps. how will ther be less diversty when we have hybrid heal/dps gear and proffesion hmm/

taunt tanks could wear smthing like soldier gear with power tough and vitals to be able to soak dmg and hitting hard with the power.

the trinty will be there but it will be a trinty of hybred. tank/dps and heal/dps but well neeed the strong survive from tanky gear and healing gear to win the content. zerk wont work anymore

that is what is diversty

Nope, that’s not diversity, it’s dedicated roles. I’m afraid you’re going to have to look for another buzz word to justify your preferred approach, promoting gear diversity is inaccurate.

In trinity play, what options would the dedicated tank have? Would he be able to slot a variety of different gear and perform his role? Nope, he’d be required to wear Soldier’s. How about the healer? Would he be wearing Magi? Nope, he’d be wearing Cleric’s (or whatever).

No meta group will ever allow a departure from what is considered ideal. Trinity would not change that.

If you’re going to call being able to wear a variety of gear prefixes “diversity,” then that’s what GW2 has now. The game presents content that groups can complete in their choice of gear/weapon/traits build. The more requirements imposed by the game, the less diversity the game promotes. Making tanks and healers mandatory would kill a lot of the “anything goes” groups that complete content in GW2 now.

ok roles, gear what ever. same thing. rite now all is zerk dps.

zerk will alwyas be best for dps bc dps has no diversity. power nad crit is all u need no other stats give dmg like these

heal could be more than clercs:

heal gears
- clerc: heal power, power, tough — versitle heal build that has tank and dps minor atts for less heal importnt fight
- zealot: power, crit, heal pow — dps/heal hybrid
- nomad: tough, vit, heal — tankie heal build could be used when healer, needs to take sum dmg, to keep tank and dpsrs up
- grivers: tough, boontime, heal pow: survive and HoT can help when regen is mor import than direct heals
- magi and apoth: both have potental use too

tank can be more than solders:

tank gears
- solders/valkiary/knight good dps good survive
- nomad very strong tank esp with good regen sinrgy
- gvier good for like hammar guaurd prot spam

we already have a ‘bis’ and its alway zerk

with more roles we have better divrse gear choice opton and more possiblty to use other gear when it make sences.

MarkoNS.3261:

Puls.5867:

Don’t nerf IT just… Make it so we don’t have to stack in a spot in a dungeon and spam 1 I hate how boring that style is then getting kicked from a group for wanting to do it a funner way xD

Well that is your opinion some of us do every dungeon every day and we speed run them we dont want to do them in a funnier way we just want to do them as fast as possible.

but your way isnt fun

why r u playing the game if u dont want t have fun and just rush rush runrun 111111?

and theres a trinty in that vedio you can see a tank pulling the big long aoes while a healer keps him up and the dpss go crazy on the boss

nothin in gw2 is like that bc everything is zerk or gtfo

ppl abuse blinks in dungeons etc all the times by skipping mobs that are intended to fight or skip sections of the path to get rewards faster than intended

its a cheap exploits they really should just take teleports and stealth out of thegame

its there to stop exploiters. why do you want to exploit?

what is BiS?

need to rite more apparently…need 15 charcters?

lol rite thier are 83 stat in the game but onyl zerk can be used. and you say ‘divesity’ smh

when anet anounces trinty based raids for chalanging group content well finaly have a use for other gear not just zerk. ventrilso can wear clercs for OP healing and still have a main power state for rly strong dps. how will ther be less diversty when we have hybrid heal/dps gear and proffesion hmm/

taunt tanks could wear smthing like soldier gear with power tough and vitals to be able to soak dmg and hitting hard with the power.

the trinty will be there but it will be a trinty of hybred. tank/dps and heal/dps but well neeed the strong survive from tanky gear and healing gear to win the content. zerk wont work anymore

that is what is diversty

why cant you see that zerk is dead. good ridance

HOT is gunna have trinty bc anet is listining to the real players who dont want to exploit every boss with stacking and zerkers and blinds or reflect abuse. wee want real mecaanics not braindead metazerger.

their giving us the trinty and heal and tanks bc HOT is going to be super hard and challanging. they already said u will need to bring more defence and less dmg to the new fights sence they are tough like mordrem mobs

try doing HOT in zerk = wipe. the trinty is comin bc anet wants to fix the game

or they could use it to hold aggro so the healer can heal the tank or dps

just like a trinty

:( dont be mean and laugh, i paid for this game and deserve an opinon. im just like you

you dont think this means trinty? why not? ventrilo can heal a tank that has taunt to holed agro on mobs for dps

this absolutly opens up trinty gameplay

all theyd need to do is nerf self heal abilites and we have a trinty meta!

Dante.1763:

ForeverAway.5948:

its not a trinty now but the new remnant will have venari powers for heals

and lets not forget taunt!!!!!!!

humm eveyone has been saying no to zerkmeta dominince and now were getting tank and heals skills

trinty is comin, im sure of it superexcitced for HOT i love this game !!

AHAHAHAHAHA stop speaking for everyone. Only the loud few have a problem with the so called “Zerk Meta”. Unless they change how the AI works in this game, the so called “Zerk meta” will still be dominant and most used, in pve at least.

In a game where everyone is meant to be able to do everything equally, there will be no trinity.

y r u laughin at me? do you think were not gettin trinty?

i mean the signs are there

the no-trinty idea has flopped and now ppl want to have actul challneging content. that means roles and they said were gettin tank and heal abilties. that means trinty

they dont need to change the content they just need to make rolls other than dps more useful

that will make it harder

OMG maybe the challanging group content revele will be the introdcution of the trinty! i think that would be awesome

its not a trinty now but the new remnant will have venari powers for heals

and lets not forget taunt!!!!!!!

humm eveyone has been saying no to zerkmeta dominince and now were getting tank and heals skills

trinty is comin, im sure of it superexcitced for HOT i love this game !!

meeflak.9714:

Windsagio.1340:

kind of coming back to the difficulty issue. Full-offense melee works because there’s very rarely anything that puts sufficient strain on the available active defenses and control.

Agreed, we need content that brings forward an importance to other roles/playstyles/skills
all that

which is why were seein trinty come back with venti healer :-)

Neox.3497:

Cyninja.2954:

Do you see zerker players complain about tanky builds being able to run through 80% of the pve game without ever having to dodge or pay attention to what is happening around them? No.

Do you see tanky players complain about zerker builds being able to run through 100% of the pve game 10 times faster? No.

yes we do

see the trouble with zerkers is that they do too mcuh dmg. i want to play heal but zerkers kill every thing too fast, no one ever needs my heal, they heal on there own ne way

cant tank eitiher because zerks exploit AI with stacking

zerks are too fast for any thing else so yes we do complain about it

w8 4 it………………

this isnt a problem this is good

once the ventrilo remnant stance is in HOT we can have real trinty

we ask and ask nad ask for zerkernerf, no more snoozefest all dps party and anet listens

gw2 after HOT will be trinty based get some kleanex rdy zerker fanboy

stop asking for nerf everything that isnt zerkers zerks are the problem not clercs

bc were suposed a play how we want

i weanna play a tank or a heal. dps is for nubs

y wud u trol

thats soooooooo unmature