Guild Wars 2

Hey since we’re on the new rating system where the tiers are made up and the points don’t matter, why not come to a fight club instead?

Behind south camp in BP borerlands has a fight club going on from now until whenever.

Don’t come to Ehmry Bay please. We have no use for fairweathers.

Pinko.2076:

My heart goes out to Ehmry Bay. Run some fractals.

Just did. I wouldn’t worry about mesmers hiding in your keeps this week.

EDIT: oh wait you’re from mag. BP/AR shouldn’t have to worry then.

I’m one of the people responsible for his complaining (see this video: http://youtu.be/gftxWJTFKts). If you have any idea how what we do works, it’s trivially easy to counter. I’m not going to give that kinda info away to the baddies of the world, but if you’ve ever been in the same situation, you know how to beat it.

Evilzara.6378:

Keep up the good work GH (I voted for you as the most skilled enemy guild ).

RELEVANT

Evilzara.6378:

Fox.3562:

Here’s a video of HAX taking a keep from BP on reset night. Make sure to analyze every minute and plot our downfall, because this will probably be the only video you ever get.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gftxWJTFKts

When we first entered AR BL, we had no idea GH was going to be in that map otherwise we (or myself) would have sweeped. We did not make the same mistake the second time and made sure you and Ez were dead.

But good job, you took the keep from us and we left us clueless. All of the fight in AR BL were fun, it was just a battle of which server gives up/goes to sleep first.

Keep up the good work GH (I voted for you as the most skilled enemy guild ).

I wouldn’t bother sweeping keeps. I’m sure we won’t be in them =D

Here’s a video of HAX taking a keep from BP on reset night. Make sure to analyze every minute and plot our downfall, because this will probably be the only video you ever get.

Ralathar.7236:

Fox.3562:

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, using skills in a unique way, i.e portaling behind keep walls and using portals to make golems move faster makes WvW infinitely more interesting than it would be without it. It adds a layer of stealth and tactics beyond “bring a zerg, set up 50 rams, make 25 golems, and throw down one arrow cart to cover you” to take a tower.

Do I care that people don’t like sweeping towers and keeps to make sure we’re not inside? Absolutely not. It’s not my job to make the game fun for you. Don’t want to lose a newly captured keep? Sweep it. Don’t like sweeping newly captured keeps? Lose it, or hope we’re not inside.

If anything, they never should have changed swirling winds. Certain classes should have skills that are useful to WvW beyond PvDooring down gates. Stealth and portals are two great examples.

TL;DR: Quit kittening about portals inside enemy bases, skills useful to WvW outside DPS are a good thing, and quit white knighting for AR/BP.

Check out this video by Penny Arcade: http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/counter-play

A mechanic properly designed should be fun for both sides. Swirling Winds duty was fun for nobody required to do it and often ended in a stalemate. Portals are really fun and neato, but they are only fun for one side. The counter-play is not fun and with proper mesmer parties even a 10 minute sweep can miss the mesmer spending most of their time in stealth.

Additionally what If I show myself intentionally as a mesmer, stealth, and then waypoint? Suddenly you have to sweep for 10 minutes with kitten knows how many people to find one single person or you risk the keep or tower being lost. Meanwhile they can be taking another keep/tower. If the BOTH the play and counter-play are not interesting it is an overall bad mechanic.

That’s the primary problem most people have with portals and stealth, and HAD with swirling winds. Essentially all of these things limit you down into a single uninteresting option to respond with. You counter portals in towers/keeps by sweeping, you counter swirling winds + counter siege with swirling winds and counter siege, you counter stealth by…well you don’t counter stealth against a good thief. Even stealth traps only really work on inexperienced or bad thieves that overplay their hand.

Intentionally showing yourself as a mesmer and waypointing is called good strategy.

You think there’s no counters to swirling-winds/perma stealth because you aren’t thinking outside “better stick with the zerg and spam 1”. Wanna break up a swirling winds stalemate? Send over a mesmer and have him time a temporal curtain pull just as the shot is about to land, interrupting the eles winds. Or send over 5 guys and speed build an arrow cart to take them out. Or leave the eles and use them as a distraction while you attack some other target.

I’m obviously not going to give you tips on how to counter perma-stealthing mesmers, but let’s just say eBay won’t have a problem with that in any keeps I sweep. And that’s with a 5 minute sweep.

People complain about these things because they are easily noticeable (perma-stealth mesmers because I advertise it on the forums), but what about all the things that CAN and DO kill zergs but they don’t realize it? A guardian can lock down just about any staircase in a keep or tower with their various walls. Get enough guardians together and you can keep those walls up indefinitely. It’s an extremely effective strategy for killing zergs many times your size, but nobody complains about it. Why? Because in a zerg, nobody realizes why they’re dying while they spam 1-9, they just know that they died. Is this not fair? How are you supposed to get up the stairs without stability? There’s no other way to get through the walls.

If you want to run with the zerg, that’s fine, but realize there’s more to the game than that. Try to think outside the zerg.

TL;DR: Get creative. There’s a ton of counters for everything.

Ralathar.7236:

Amins.3710:

Cookies is a horrible mesmer. I wish someone could teach him how to portal.

Nuff said.

I personally hate that Mesmer’s are pigeon-holed into portaling and how important portals are to WvW as a whole. It’s a single utility skill that is quite literally game changing for WvW. The same way swirling winds used to be.

On one side I feel It’s a nice tactic for open field. On the other I feel like it’s way too good when bypassing walls and the counter is to spend 10 minutes sweeping to make sure you didn’t miss them if they were smart enough to bring a mesmer team instead of just a solo mesmer.

I think it also limits what they can do with golems.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, using skills in a unique way, i.e portaling behind keep walls and using portals to make golems move faster makes WvW infinitely more interesting than it would be without it. It adds a layer of stealth and tactics beyond “bring a zerg, set up 50 rams, make 25 golems, and throw down one arrow cart to cover you” to take a tower.

Do I care that people don’t like sweeping towers and keeps to make sure we’re not inside? Absolutely not. It’s not my job to make the game fun for you. Don’t want to lose a newly captured keep? Sweep it. Don’t like sweeping newly captured keeps? Lose it, or hope we’re not inside.

If anything, they never should have changed swirling winds. Certain classes should have skills that are useful to WvW beyond PvDooring down gates. Stealth and portals are two great examples.

TL;DR: Quit kittening about portals inside enemy bases, skills useful to WvW outside DPS are a good thing, and quit white knighting for AR/BP.

AR, just because you have 40 people sitting in front of a broken wall doesn’t mean your towers safe. Once again, you guys Missed a Spot.

Hey BP, I meant to post this sooner, but you and your AR friends have been busy donating me bags! Anyway, I was in your Bay not long ago and it looks like you Missed a Spot.

Edit: Forgot whose Bay we flipped! Who can tell the difference between you two anymore anyway?

Kalkz.5297:

I love the trolls war brother.
Truth to be told, i love AR, i was tracking AR matchup thread in tier 6 when u were beating DH and loj easily, None if your commanders/guild members was acting like those terrible ehmry trash talkers and forum warriors, which is why i respect AR so much
PaLeRiDeR by far is the commander of ebay forum warriors, yet. His trolling/keyboard skills are like a YAK trying to make it through SM infront of a zerg to me

I wouldn’t let it bother you too much. I’m sure you’re not “of the devil” like we learn Ehmry Bay public schools.

I’m still probably gonna throw rams on you when I kill you though. Nothing personal, business is business though.

Kalkz.5297:

Fox.3562:

Pedra.4381:

Fox.3562

So as long as you’re differing to those with greater experience; yes, “sweeping” the tower would have fixed that.

Fox, I’ve already stated it wasn’t GH. And I didn’t confuse anything. There were not two Mesmers. There was no pre-stacking. The group that was on my behind as I barely made it inside the tower ran to the back wall with the single Mesmer and he ported them in.

The guild in question apparently didn’t learn anything from the last run-in they had with ArenaNet.

You did say it wasn’t my guild, but you’re still accusing my server of cheating. Glitching into towers isn’t as easy as you seem to think it is, and it’s not something you can do in 15 seconds. Combine that with the fact that the last time somebody accused one of our guilds of foul play (botting) was because they didn’t know what /dance * did, and you can see why I think you’re wrong.

And you’re allowed to name names you know. I had no problem doing it when Kalkz used Mesmers to glitch into Hills, and you can certainly say the guild name that was involved so something can be done about it.

Brother, I have many faces. the nice face, the very rude face, the troll face

but the glitching and cheating face isnt one of my faces

Kalkz glitches
Kalkz PVD
Screen shot Kalkz convos
Make a guild about Kalkz
Hunt Kalkz in wvw
Night crew for Kalkz

What the hell is wrong with your server

You’re the servers token bad guy =)

You should be proud. You’re practically famous.

Pedra.4381:

Fox.3562

So as long as you’re differing to those with greater experience; yes, “sweeping” the tower would have fixed that.

Fox, I’ve already stated it wasn’t GH. And I didn’t confuse anything. There were not two Mesmers. There was no pre-stacking. The group that was on my behind as I barely made it inside the tower ran to the back wall with the single Mesmer and he ported them in.

The guild in question apparently didn’t learn anything from the last run-in they had with ArenaNet.

You did say it wasn’t my guild, but you’re still accusing my server of cheating. Glitching into towers isn’t as easy as you seem to think it is, and it’s not something you can do in 15 seconds. Combine that with the fact that the last time somebody accused one of our guilds of foul play (botting) was because they didn’t know what /dance * did, and you can see why I think you’re wrong.

And you’re allowed to name names you know. I had no problem doing it when Kalkz used Mesmers to glitch into Hills, and you can certainly say the guild name that was involved so something can be done about it.

Pedra.4381:

KStudios.2850

Now, if you see anyone going straight up, or through, tower walls or gates. Yes, that be very bad.

I know the difference. I retreat fought them all the way across the lake, then for about a minute behind the tower, and with all cool downs popped, I ran into the tower. The Mesmer went straight to the back wall, stood there for about 15 seconds, then cast portal and they all popped onto the wall.

But, I defer to your greater experience, would “sweeping” the tower have fixed that?

I assume you’re talking about SW or SE towers in the borderlands. While glitching into them is POSSIBLE, it’s certainly not something that can be done in 15 seconds unless you get EXTREMELY lucky. (For the record, you will never find me or anyone from HAX/GH/any guild I have influence on glitching into towers/keeps to capture them. I do however like to know all the ways to glitch into places so that when other servers are stupid enough to try to glitch into my towers/keeps, I can catch them red handed).

And as a Mesmer who hides inside keeps and towers, you should know that it takes time to bring a force to help retake a tower. Since you mentioned that a group was already stacking up behind the tower, it sounds much more likely that there was a Mesmer already in the tower, and one of the people in the force coming to help retake it happened to be a Mesmer as well. You mistook the Mesmer on the ground as the one that dropped the portal, when there was actually a Mesmer in the tower all along.

So as long as you’re differing to those with greater experience; yes, “sweeping” the tower would have fixed that.

To the AR necro that tried to fear me off the cliff in the eternal jp when you came up with your zerg, know that you’re the reason why your servermates complain that I drag them off the cliff and make them redo the entire puzzle.

jkctmc.8754:

Fox.3562:

Why did you think I’d be interested in hearing your familys life story? I don’t care that all you do is roam, so don’t complain that I’m playing the objective.

hahahahahahah!!!!

That’s the internet for you. Any difference in opinion is labeled as complaining, without regard to the real definition, which anyone can read from the dictionary. Too funny, keep it up. You’re making my 14 hour work day go by much, much faster.

<golf clap>

I like coffee sweetened with hot cocoa, & spiced with southern comfort, you like tea time with others.. I like boxing, you like fake wrestling. To each their own. <winks> You’re a riot. Give me some more.

What?

jkctmc.8754:

Fox.3562:

jkctmc.8754:

Archer.1658:

jkctmc.8754:

This is so funny. I can’t help but laugh at the carebear attitudes here. You guys complain about Kalkz bragging about PvDoor, yet you’re bragging about fighting Guards, while taking the easy road that requires very little fighting.

And to think, you guys always say you want open world fighting, yet you’re pulling stunts like this? hah!!!!!!!!!!

What has the PvP community come to over the years? <sadface>

I so miss the old days of PvP. This new player base is just not the quality of player you would expect after 20 years of PvP history for online gaming. It seems they’re more interested in trolling, which is so 1995.

This has to be the product of World of Warcraft.

Just mad because you cant pvguard like us. I can teach you though, 5g for lessons~

How many times do I have to sweep you under the rug, before you quit trying to goad me? <smiles>

I’ve been there, done that, it was humorous at best, but not remotely fun. I have never, nor will I ever support, or do anything that does not involve fighting other players. Hell, I PAY my children to harvest for me in most games, or pay for them to craft for me, if I need something like that. If I come up to a keep/tower and there are no defenders, I leave looking for fights.

If the carebear route is more to your liking, that is YOUR business. But like I tell my children; “If you do not like the attention you get from the actions you take, do not do it”. It’s really simple.

I love how you use the old; “umad” response, when you have nothing to contribute to your argument. I expect such a silly response from a grade schooler, who hasn’t had the opportunity to learn yet, and utilize a better structure of arguments. <winks>

I love insults as much as the next guy, but at least put some effort into it, so it is fun, rather than boring.

You’re into child labor and zerging, I’m into fight clubs and high stakes hide-and-seek. If sweeping your keeps isn’t your thing, go back to running with the zerg. I’m sure there won’t be any Mesmers in your keeps anyway.

Wow, you couldn’t be more wrong. I solo 99% of my time, rarely ever joining the zerg. I was one of the first and few Rangers to ever run solo on a regular basis before the Ranger got a 25% runspeed. As far as I know, I’m the only Necromancer who ever runs solo. When I leveled my Mesmer, I laughed at how easy mode the class was, and went back to the Ranger, and Necromancer. I’m glad you enjoy your Mesmer. <grins> Seriously, if you’re ok with fighting guards, so be it. I’m into fighting players, and I attend fight clubs too when I’m not extremely busy and they’re being hosted during my free time.

Don’t be jealous that I pay my children for doing things, they enjoy, and show them love others like yourself lack. <winks> We’re a gaming family, with a house that sports 7 desktops, three laptops, on top of the Xbox, and Playstation. My oldest boy competes competitively in SC2, and LoL, and wins money at it, so save me your; “I can hide in a keep, and avoid PvP, and flip keeps nonsense”. I’m not impressed.

I’m PvP first, and always will be PvP first and avoid any kind of PvE at all cost, including PvDoor, and your precious fights with guards you want to brag about. <laughs> I’m sorry it bothers you that I avoid this kind of non-PvP and choose not to support it. I’m only here biding my time, and taking a break from playing SC2, LoL, and waiting for a real PvP game to surface that brings back the old PvP atmosphere, which I hope “Camelot Unchained" will give the older PvP community the challenges we deserve.

Like I tell my children; “If you do not like the attention you get from the actions you take, there is a simple solution. Avoid doing those actions.” You can mail me 10 gold for that life lesson.

Why did you think I’d be interested in hearing your familys life story? I don’t care that all you do is roam, so don’t complain that I’m playing the objective.

jkctmc.8754:

Archer.1658:

jkctmc.8754:

This is so funny. I can’t help but laugh at the carebear attitudes here. You guys complain about Kalkz bragging about PvDoor, yet you’re bragging about fighting Guards, while taking the easy road that requires very little fighting.

And to think, you guys always say you want open world fighting, yet you’re pulling stunts like this? hah!!!!!!!!!!

What has the PvP community come to over the years? <sadface>

I so miss the old days of PvP. This new player base is just not the quality of player you would expect after 20 years of PvP history for online gaming. It seems they’re more interested in trolling, which is so 1995.

This has to be the product of World of Warcraft.

Just mad because you cant pvguard like us. I can teach you though, 5g for lessons~

How many times do I have to sweep you under the rug, before you quit trying to goad me? <smiles>

I’ve been there, done that, it was humorous at best, but not remotely fun. I have never, nor will I ever support, or do anything that does not involve fighting other players. Hell, I PAY my children to harvest for me in most games, or pay for them to craft for me, if I need something like that. If I come up to a keep/tower and there are no defenders, I leave looking for fights.

If the carebear route is more to your liking, that is YOUR business. But like I tell my children; “If you do not like the attention you get from the actions you take, do not do it”. It’s really simple.

I love how you use the old; “umad” response, when you have nothing to contribute to your argument. I expect such a silly response from a grade schooler, who hasn’t had the opportunity to learn yet, and utilize a better structure of arguments. <winks>

I love insults as much as the next guy, but at least put some effort into it, so it is fun, rather than boring.

You’re into child labor and zerging, I’m into fight clubs and high stakes hide-and-seek. If sweeping your keeps isn’t your thing, go back to running with the zerg. I’m sure there won’t be any Mesmers in your keeps anyway.

LadyLad.1389:

Oh well, I sent all names involved, your scrrenshots, posts, and videos of the Thief, and how a Mesmer can utilize the perma stealth bug to Anet. They can decide what to do. I wouldn’t expect you guys to be anymore honest about it, than when BP pulls stunts, and makes their excuses.

You should go read the BP forums. At least they have a decent idea on what were doing. You’re way off.

And it should go without saying, but no we don’t use the torch glitch (I don’t even know if that still works). What good is stealth that makes you revealed every 2.5 seconds?

LadyLad.1389:

Faux Sheaux.6179:

Did you see any dead mesmer the last few times you lost your keep? Me neither.

PS – That video was made for informative purposes. It was a large part of CnD getting that bug fix.

BP makes excuses for every time they use something they shouldn’t. You’re no different at this point. Even you’ve been on the receiving end of their stuff, and been upset about it.

Yet here you’re expressing double standards. I bet if I search past posts, before this video you guys used the tactics as represented in that video, and called them legit too, at that time.

Classy.

I’m still not understanding what you think is exploitative? Should thieves not be able to stealth? Because having a Mesmer die in the keep and get rezzed is not the plan. It would make no difference to me if they made rezzing the dead impossible. We’d just have to be more careful.

That video Cake made was a proof of concept and the method was immediately reported as a glitch. That was the only tower that we ever captured using that technique. I don’t glitch, and I don’t condone people who do.

I stand by the statement that what we do is a 100% legitimate strategy.

LadyLad.1389:

Faux Sheaux.6179:

LadyLad.1389:

Faux Sheaux.6179:

LadyLad.1389:

@Fox

Since you’ve been posting this I’ve made a point to search every inch of every keep, and tower putting down marks as a Necromancer. Not once did a single mark trigger, so I’m sending this in to Anet to make a decision.

Other Necromancers can explain to you what it means for a mark to trigger, or not.

Something is fishy with what you’re doing, and it pains me to spend a stupid amount of time running around putting marks all over the place in evident hiding spots. People are not missing this often, it just isn’t possible.

I call [HAX]!

You explain it. Why are my marks not triggering if someone is in an area? Do you honestly think we should believe that we’ve missed a spot 7 times now, with a large number of people searching, many of those people Necromancers putting down marks, which are the best thing to use against stealthed opponents?

Do you even know how Marks work?

Marks need to hit someone who is in the area to trigger. Obviously you didn’t place them right.

Do you even know how Marks work?

Riiiiiggggghhhhht……… You so funny. It is ok though, Anet is going to fix this within the next two patches. It’s a cheap trick, usually coupled with an exploit with resurrection abilities, or Thieves getting themselves in places they shouldn’t be. You’re not the first server to use it, though all the other servers have admitted to it, and are now working to get it fixed.

Grats on such a cheesy tactic.

Unfortunately for BP and AR, nothing we do is cheesy/glitching/hacking/exploitative . All 100% legit using the games mechanics, so there’s nothing to admit to. Until they stop portals from being able to reach inside keeps and thieves from being able to stealth, I’m going to backcap your keeps.

LadyLad.1389:

Faux Sheaux.6179:

LadyLad.1389:

@Fox

Since you’ve been posting this I’ve made a point to search every inch of every keep, and tower putting down marks as a Necromancer. Not once did a single mark trigger, so I’m sending this in to Anet to make a decision.

Other Necromancers can explain to you what it means for a mark to trigger, or not.

Something is fishy with what you’re doing, and it pains me to spend a stupid amount of time running around putting marks all over the place in evident hiding spots. People are not missing this often, it just isn’t possible.

I call [HAX]!

You explain it. Why are my marks not triggering if someone is in an area? Do you honestly think we should believe that we’ve missed a spot 7 times now, with a large number of people searching, many of those people Necromancers putting down marks, which are the best thing to use against stealthed opponents?

Do you even know how Marks work?

I know exactly how marks work. I watch you put them down.

LadyLad.1389:

@Fox

Since you’ve been posting this I’ve made a point to search every inch of every keep, and tower putting down marks as a Necromancer. Not once did a single mark trigger, so I’m sending this in to Anet to make a decision.

Other Necromancers can explain to you what it means for a mark to trigger, or not.

Something is fishy with what you’re doing, and it pains me to spend a stupid amount of time running around putting marks all over the place in evident hiding spots. People are not missing this often, it just isn’t possible.

Whoops. Better send another false report in. Just took your garrison again.

We record every keep we take, so I can prove everything’s 100% legit. Obviously you can’t see it since that would give away tactics though =)

AR needs to hire some new maids. Every time they sweep a base, they always seem to have Missed A Spot.

jkctmc.8754:

Fox.3562:

Hey Anvil Rock, you Missed A Spot. Again.

I would becareful with this dead Mesmer trick. They’ve acknowledged they’re fixing it, and the last time they did that with a tactic (thief perma stealth in keeps) people started to get banned until it was fixed.

Not complaining (this is the internet after all), just giving you a heads up.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Is-this-mechanism-intended/first#post1911116

Thanks for the heads up. Thankfully we have nothing to worry about since perma-stealth is not a glitch. It sounds like the person who posted that thread was talking about a thief literally glitched inside a wall, which we do not do. If they’re from AR or BP and are talking about us though, they clearly have no idea what were doing, which is fine by me =)

The mod in that thread said they’re working on doing something about “corpse scouting”, and I have no idea what that even means. Sounds like they’re going to make it harder for people to camp a dead Mesmer, which works for me (although I’d rather not die every time were inside a keep!). That’ll be a real shame if he did mean they won’t allow rezzing people inside enemy keeps though. I think what were doing is a perfectly acceptable tactic, and adds some new strategy to WvW instead of: Build golems > move golems to gate >punch gate with 50 man zerg > cap keep.

Hey Anvil Rock, you Missed A Spot. Again.

Flinch.8061:

Fox.3562:

Come to a fight club every once and a while. I’m always down to duel =)

The fights in the keep proved enough for me. Have fun with your overinflated ego though, Looked like you had hella fun spamming Combo finishers for 20 minutes.

You’ll have to excuse me if I had more important things to do inside the keep than fight a staff ele, a glass 2222 thief, and an uplevel.

Flinch.8061:

Fox.3562:

Hey Anvil Rock, you Missed a Spot.

Grats on being a perma stealth thief and ressing a mesmer who can’t kill anyone and runs his kitten off twice and dies like he’s made out of Wax paper? Yeah.

Grats also on using Xform pots to keep your mesmer from timing out. Hopefully they’ll fix that soon enough, but we kept the keep for 2 ticks, don’t care otherwise.

Also: grats on not being able to kill anyone 1v1 without running your kitten off in stealth, yourself. So pro.

Come to a fight club every once and a while. I’m always down to duel =)

Hey Anvil Rock, you Missed a Spot.

If you’re gonna sweep for Mesmers, you better be able to kill them.

Missed A Spot [HAX]

I’m in your base, but there aren’t any pies this time =(

I’m in your base, eating your pies.

Exarthious.5792:

Fox.3562:

You’re getting confused again.

Exarthious.5792:

You definately had more there, than your video shows. That video looks like the push where we had a bunch come in behind us, as we went up the ramp, into siege. It was a sandwhich.

This screenshot is definitely too far for it to be Mesmer clones. Like I said, there’s about 6 people on that front wall looking at you (not including ranger/necro pets).

Exarthious.5792:

That’s funny, because from our end, we have the outmanned buff, and see far more of you, than you do. What gives? Did they put culling back in? Counting blue dots (Group), and green dots (allies) there are more than 21 in that video.

Do not soil such a good match up with nonsense like this.

This screenshot is well after we started fighting and is well within 1200 range. There are clones in that picture.

But none of this matters. I’m not trying to argue over something so silly. All I’m saying is give credit where credit is due and don’t complain because somebody posted a video breaking up the monotony of whining and complaining on these forums.

Good old internet. If you don’t automatically agree with someone, you are complaining.

That’s the joke.

You’ve been given props, go read the rest of the thread. However, do you think poeple should overlook such a glaring exaggeration? You wouldn’t, and it’s dishonest to make me out to be something I’m not because I’m asking for a little bit of honesty from you.

This thread is full of people patting you guys on the back from AR, at least use some common courtesy instead of exaggerating. When a bunch of people are in close proximity, they always appear larger than they are. It’s always a reality when I’m picking up my loot bags after thinking, hey we just fought fourty people, only to discover I’m picking up no more than twenty one bags after tagging everyone with AEs.

Don’t sell yourself short, loot doesn’t drop on 100% of kills =)

You’re getting confused again.

Exarthious.5792:

You definately had more there, than your video shows. That video looks like the push where we had a bunch come in behind us, as we went up the ramp, into siege. It was a sandwhich.

This screenshot is definitely too far for it to be Mesmer clones. Like I said, there’s about 6 people on that front wall looking at you (not including ranger/necro pets).

Exarthious.5792:

That’s funny, because from our end, we have the outmanned buff, and see far more of you, than you do. What gives? Did they put culling back in? Counting blue dots (Group), and green dots (allies) there are more than 21 in that video.

Do not soil such a good match up with nonsense like this.

This screenshot is well after we started fighting and is well within 1200 range. There are clones in that picture.

But none of this matters. I’m not trying to argue over something so silly. All I’m saying is give credit where credit is due and don’t complain because somebody posted a video breaking up the monotony of whining and complaining on these forums.

And I never said it was 7v40. Although if you wanna get realistic the 4 Mesmers and 1 guy on an arrow cart probably accounted for 95% of the damage, so it’s more like 5v30.

Exarthious.5792:

Fox.3562:

Exarthious.5792:

Here is the AR group pushing that tower, not counting the two Ranger pets. There are 21. It’s possible a couple more showed up, but it was no where near fourty.

Oh wow it must have been way over 25 if there’s 21 there alone. That screenshot was taken after they wiped once. 21 accounted for + bodies that haven’t wp’ed + people ahead of you + people behind you = a lot.

Just curious though, how many do you think we had?

Look at the last screenshot. It definately wasn’t seven, or thirteen. More than nineteen I’d say, but less than twenty five.

I’m flattered. I’ll pass along the compliment to our other Mesmers.

Exarthious.5792:

Here is the AR group pushing that tower, not counting the two Ranger pets. There are 21. It’s possible a couple more showed up, but it was no where near fourty.

Oh wow it must have been way over 25 if there’s 21 there alone. That screenshot was taken after they wiped once. 21 accounted for + bodies that haven’t wp’ed + people ahead of you + people behind you = a lot.

Just curious though, how many do you think we had?

Exarthious.5792:

You definately had more there, than your video shows. That video looks like the push where we had a bunch come in behind us, as we went up the ramp, into siege. It was a sandwhich.

You’re insane if you think you were outnumbered. You had the outmanned buff because we were attacking Bay.

Exarthious.5792:

That’s funny, because from our end, we have the outmanned buff, and see far more of you, than you do. What gives? Did they put culling back in? Counting blue dots (Group), and green dots (allies) there are more than 21 in that video.

Do not soil such a good match up with nonsense like this.

You’re mistaking clones for actual players. An easy mistake to make since we had 4 Mesmers. Clones appear as green dots on the mini map when they’re alive, and for a few seconds after they die as well.

In the first clip, I actually went through and counted to see how many people we had (I didn’t believe we took on as many as we did either), and we had about 13 people in the tower at the start. 7 of us were in the back (4 mesmers, 1 guardian, 1 necro, and one engineer) and the other ~6 were stranded on the broken wall at the front of the tower. You guys pulled and wiped some of them off as soon as you ran in, and they didn’t do much. About 4 people ran in when the last of AR finally wiped near the lords room, but most of them were down before they even showed up. I don’t think they made much of a difference.

In the second clip when your screenshot is taken (check the times on the minimaps), we also had about 13 people.

I think it’s safe to say AR had 25+, but I’ll let you count them (just look at 8s into the video).

I also think its safe to say that 4 Glamour Speced Mesmers were the reason AR wiped (that was the point of the video).

Oh and you were out-manned because we were simultaneously trying to take BP’s Bay.

I personally love watching videos like this, even if I’m not in them. Instead of complaining about getting outplayed, you should learn from it and make your own video of AR doing something impressive.

Luzano.6983:

Hello from BP Hills.

How you liking that Hills steal BP? We saw at Kalkz right after at the north gate only to be disappointed when he ran away :[ :[ :[ :[ :[

Foiled by server maintenance!

onagasup.3701:

llkoolaid.8204:

Sanctus.3725:

Dear Ehmry Bay,

Greetings from the guild Exiles Edge [EDGE] from Borlis Pass
You may have heard of us, you may not, and it matters not. I come here to address troubling rumours and whispers I hear in the air. I have heard that Ehmry Bay relies on numbers and not skill, I have heard that Ehmry has much hate agaisnt us from the Pass, and that Ehmry looks down upon Borlis from time to time….

I sincerely hope these rumours arent true, and that Ehmry Bay is not a bunch of zerg minded individuals, I stand agaisnt the Borlis perception of Ehmry, and I must prove that Ehmry is home to as skillful soilders and heroes as Borlis has.

Our guild EDGE, will be venturing into your fabled homeland in WvW from this week onwards, on the hunt for Ehmry flesh, We will be stalking your forces and will KILL any Ehmry we deem fit to stand against us, I wish to disprove the rumours that you need to outnumber us 2 to 1 to kill us, for if our numbers are around equal in a fight, you can never defeat a borlis….please prove this wrong, for I had already sent a hunting party into Ehmry so far, and the rumours appear true….4 of us fighting off 6 of Ehmries proved too difficult for you…

There will be plenty of time for you to prove your skill, and we will be watching….waiting…and hunting…bring your best skill groups when you see the tag EDGE, we will be waiting…of course we welcome the wipe out from your zerg if you deem if a must to kill us by outnumbering us by the droves….

We will be waiting for you….you will either learn to fear us, or learn to respect us…I sincerely hope it will be the latter….

More specifically to Rekz, I have long heard you have developed a skill group for WvW, and I am very very eager to see you on the field, I have long for battle with your guild on equal terms but it seems the other Borlis Guilds such as WAR and WFD have already slaughtered your guild a few times, or so I have heard….come let us test our mantle…

Be wary of us EDGEs on your field Ehmry….we will hunt you…defend yourselves….

Arch [EDGE]
Founder and Marshall of Exiles EDGE

ha, What a joke…. I guess you deemed that lone up lvl to go against your 8 or so…

Its Not A Joke. We will hunt u down One by One.
Here are some of your Fellow member getting slaughter By Us.
So Watch your backs.

It only took 4 of you inside a supply camp to kill 2 pugs and an uplevel? How much do you charge for WvW lessons??? Sorry GH but I think I have to transfer to the winning team!!!!!!!!

nickolai.1876:

Faux Sheaux.6179:

I’ve run into a few good [EDGE] players, but the other roamers I’ve seen running around have died to me in 1v2 and 1v3s… a ranger at that. A mesmer buddy and myself wiped four [EDGE] (which is still the biggest group of you guys that I have seen). So while I like to pride myself at being good at what I do, I’m never impressed with a group that lets themselves die in such helpless fashion.

So either I’ve been fighting the wrong [EDGE] roamers, or you guys have some people in your guild who aren’t carrying the weight of a guild that has “never been wiped on fair grounds.”

Faux, if your mesmer buddy was Potato then your numbers are skewed and the win is null and void, enough said.

I do not want to start more ranting and raving, however I don’t post much and simply read/take everyone posts for what they are. Does anyone else see this?: BP seems like the big kid on the playground who talks about being able to beat everyone up, only to be kicked in the seed and cry for hours. Just my two cents, I could be wrong but it is how i interpret the posts. Good luck to all!

Maybe, but that’s only because Menorah has the health of ten men!

Faux Sheaux.6179:

Fox.3562:

Evilzara.6378:

Omg that GH mesmer that was inside our Garry.. I hope you’re reading this because I want to say you’re awesome.

Haha thanks.

I wish you would have shown your appreciation by not killing me though =)

If I had a nickle for every time you’ve been mentioned on the forums…

You might be up to a solid quarter by now.

Evilzara.6378:

Omg that GH mesmer that was inside our Garry.. I hope you’re reading this because I want to say you’re awesome.

Haha thanks.

I wish you would have shown your appreciation by not killing me though =)

Faux Sheaux.6179:

Dream In A Dream.7213:

Some great fights in BP ad DRBL.
Some really really bad calls paid for with lots of badges.
BP in sw, you deserved those lootbags. EB taking hills/bay and gar, good job there.
Nice fight at gar , I could not believe it. And a good reminder to sweep for mesmers.
I am one of those kittens that didn’t sweep and just happily ran to fight at hills. facepalm.

All in all great reset and lots of fun. Lets hope DR can get its game face on.

Lion of the Wind
RgTg/SoCo

That mesmer is sneaky. He likes to hide as a tree. People never suspect trees.

Actually that time I was a stealth eagle of freedom.