Guild Wars 2

in actual fact, i think being able to do any damage to the door with hand weapons should be removed, unless the gate gets to a particularly low state cus lets face it, you’d only really be scratching the polish.

I have seen the blue doors COVERED in aoe and enemy attacks… Ever though of, instead of hitting the gate with your abilities which do little or no damage, let the rams or catapults, that do huge damage to gates, do their job and focus your attentions on the little glowing door.

The defending team always has an advantage to defending, as a pure melee specced thief, if I dont risk hopping out that glowing door, doing some damage and slipping back inside, I’m just sat on the walls tossing daggers. Besides, There is a risk, if I die out there, my chances of getting ressed up is incredibly small and I have to run back and hope i can sneak in again.

If your not on a ram or siege … ignore the big wooden gate and focus your skills on the glowing gate instead..simple.

@Mara – tend to disagree a wee bit

No W3 doesnt work perfectly, some tweeks are needed but as far as regional lock outs and points deductions, yes that is a selfish attitude and I think that was what Columba was trying to point out. I’m assuming Columba is just as fed up as many of us are at these threads going up about night capping and the frankly…. stupid solutions as the rest of us.

However telling ppl to leave is not a great idea either as Zin pointed out, mind you, even with it’s faults i do believe GW2 a better game than SWTOR.

taking keep / tower order of attack…

1.. Take out cannons with range
2.. Take out oil with range
1 & 2 can be done at the same time (better with a balista)…all while staying AWAY from the door itself.
3.. Place ram(s) and hit door.
4.. Place catapult to hit door in case they have one inside, stop door repairs and help smash gate.

(taking out the NPC guards is just too basic so i didnt mention it lol)

if any one of the first three things ISNT done.. expect a fail.. Agree with OP, the time has come people to realize beating on a door with your face is tantamount to ringing the door bell and crying out “HI we’re here to steal your DVD player!”

So SBI and ET are now allied and HoD NOT JQQing about it? LOL :p

Unfortunately I was qued for W3 at the time this fight took place epic sad Azura face but it sounds like a great fight. As for the culling, i witnessed this on the first night of the rematch against ET in the bay keep. I was late to the fight and thought we had it in the bag as I only saw our team, as a Thief AOE is not my strong point so i was tab targetting and heart seekering, dodging and throwing daggers into the virtual blindness that is player culling.

I DO have a suggestion for this tho… Avatar Imposters. Rendering each indervidual character, with their armor and what not is heavy on the server, so instead of NOT rendering them at all, why not just render a very low res, basic model? Yes it will be pixelated and all char will look the same and what not but at least you could SEE your enemies. Seeing a pixelated enemy with stop start animations is better than seeing no enemy at all.

Sorry for second post but I’d like to add something about ‘stopping free server transfers’.

I agree with Comments made about ANet reducing the number of servers in Beta, that was a bad idea, now many servers are highly populated. However, I dont think they should close server transfers just yet and the simple reason is MAC users.

A few of my friends have just bought the MAC version and it took them a couple of days before they could transfer to our guild’s server. So they created characters on another server and waited till space was available to transfer. Closing the free transfers now would of meant they not only paid for the game but also had to pay to be on the same server as their friends. Not cool. Spare a smidge of thought for our MAC using friends

Having said that ANet ARE making roads to slowly reduce server transfers, by making them only once every 24 hours so once they have given enough time for MAC users to get to where they want to be, expect the server transfers to start costing money.

Admittedly this does screw up W3 atm but ANet always said there was going to be sometime before the W3 wars were settled. In say 6 months time, I’m sure the situation will be different, if not sooner. Think if this as testing time, time to polish your fighting skills for when the real fight begins.

So many threads complaining about so called ‘night capping’ and all pose the same solutions;

Regional restrictions and lesser points. Both totally ignorant and stupid. Why shouldnt people form other parts of the world play on NA servers, some people, like me, may have friends here. America ISNT the center of the world, get over yourselves. As for the point being lessened, dont see why anyone’s contribution should be lessened because YOUR asleep. Selfish and ignorant is all those suggestions are.

Night capping, as YOU call it, is NOT night capping at all.. its a population issue. Depending on the hours, depends on the population available. So instead of focusing your ignorance upon kicking ppl OFF NA servers or making their contribution worthless, I.E thinking your better than them, why not focus on what can be done against high populated servers?

This problem is NOT regional, its all the time. even at peek times there are some highly populated servers Vs low pop’d servers, and there are some suggestions that could be implemented. Such as, making towers / keeps more resilient against higher population attacks. Guards being stronger and such. The outmaned buff ‘could’ be tweeked to give those at a disadvantage more chance. These kind of things are more beneficial to everyone ALL the time, instead of just nerfing people because they happen to live where YOU dont.

Then again.. W3 isnt supposed to be 100% balanced, if you want that do SPvP, W3 is supposed to be fluid and unpredictable. Having said that, I can see how some ppl get angry and disheartened when facing 50 people against their 3 or 4.

So PLEASE Stop crying ‘night capping’, stop making rediculious suggestions to restrict people or nerf their contribution because they dont live where you do or cant get game access when you do, it makes you look foolish and ignorant. Make ACTUAL suggestions that could benefit everyone, everywhere at all times.

The orbs are powerful yes, gives them some benefit for fighting over. Nerf them too much and it isnt worth having them. Not seeing a massive advantage to having them as yet however. Perhaps, what your seeing is a high pop’d server holding the orbs against your low pop’d server and what your seeing as ‘orb power’ is again, probably just pop power. Just a suggestion.

Again, on the flip side of the coin, Warhammer online had a similar issue with orbs and yes, ill agree, the side with the most people, generally tend to be the ones holding all the aces. Difficult to balance but then again, holding all the cards should give some benefit.

Also – how did kittentail get kittened? LOL

If this thread keeps up any longer, there is going to be a new internet term; JQQ – meaning an entire group of people who whine and cry…

Perhaps lets focus on other things instead?

True, it’s just less disheartening to hit a slow moving dolly than a zerg train with supply.

Although, while they are zerg training supply, they are not defending… Like I say, good ideas, just im sitting on the fence on some of them

Used to be able to steal supply from dead supply carriers in Warhammer, it makes perfect sense really. Placing it in the keeps is a great idea but I’m concerned with the fact it may quicken the pace of upgrades and repairs… I mean, you hammer at a well defended keep for hours, get pushed off but know it may be some time before they recover. Having the ability to drop supply in a keep yourself may mean keeps are vulnerable for less time, making keep attack fails even more disheartening.. Dont know, just a concern is all.

Malediktus.9250:

Damage needs to be nerfed. Armor needs to be more effective. I dont even know how you can backstab someone in full set of heavy armor with a small dagger. Makes zero sense.

Actually it DOEST… if your looking for a ‘real world’ situation, Knights in heavy armor generally only used to protect the FRONT with the heaviest armor. The back was pretty much leather or cloth with straps holding the chest piece on.

The suits of armor you see in museums or castles are SHOW pieces and incredibly heavy for warfare. So Yes.. getting behind someone wearing heavy armor and stabbing them in the back IS and WAS a very real possibility.

The trick is NOT letting them GET behind the knight.

Cant help it if JQQ have the tastiest, undefended points on the map…

Wonder if HoD will QQ about us having an alliance with ET? Doubt it… In fact, i guarantee it.

(I also dont expect the points to look quite this good when i log on in the morning lol)

looking forward to another week of some great fights against HoD, even if the scores DONT remain so attractive.

You did? Was the video taking on a number of Witch Hunters outside a keep in the elf pairing (i forget which one now)

Man that video was epic. Its great to have you on SBI and hey i found this vid too..

Its hardly AUTO attack. You dont run up to a player and auto attack 15k

You have to stealth in, get behind them, trigger signet THEN hit. That’s hardly auto attack.

The reason HoD DIDNT score so many points is because they were against two servers that were also in the high tier. So the fighting was more… dare i say it.. balanced than say ET against it’s tier 2 server opponents.

It’s easy to get a huge score when you roflstomp the other two but there was no roflstomping this week against HoD, SBI & JQQ.

I’m in two minds, it would be nice to have a rest from HoD for a bit (fighting them is FUN yet exhausting) and have a SBI, JQQ &ET match but on the other hand HoD have been great fun to fight against.

Either way, Im In and looking forward to pulling the rug our from under ET hehe

I know right, two ENTIRE servers co-operating without the ability to communicate easily? Its hard enough to get a small group of ppl to do the same thing and we can read each others chat!

it may be intended but unless the ques are full, that will never be the case. So, suggestion here, while your waiting for more ppl to log on join small groups and, as I said before, do what you can. You cant force ppl to log in, nor can you penalize those that do.

How would you like it? Not being able to W3 because the enemy hasnt put up as many fighters? OR having your hard work reduced in worth because you have more people around than the enemy do?

Unlike SPvP; W3’s population will always be fluid unless all maps are full.. There is already a pop cap to stop one server having too many more ppl on a map than others (as well as to reduce lag etc)

I agree 50 v 2v2 is a bit of bad luck for the 2, but what you want? the 50 being reduced to match? then you have 48 people on the forums screaming the ques are too long and no one can play.

I dont think you thought this through OR really understand the principle behind open warfare. Sorry. My observations based upon comments left.

What server you on? It’s either SBI or HoD judging by the fact you were smacking JQQ there (that i noticed)

This reminds me of a warhammer online video I saw of a dps shammie. Great kiting and i really though you were gonna go down sooner. Great game play and thanks for posting that.

@MarkyMark – I agree but my post was a sarcastic one because there have been people ‘suggesting’ off peak points should be worth less, which is totally ignorant and the Oceanic crowd are usually the ones being referred to as off peak.

To be honest, I really dont see an issue with any of this. Its not like you get huge rewards for owning everything, even huge rewards for winning, only that your next matches are even harder.

I take W3 day by day as I play. So what if some so called ‘night cappers’ have taken stuff, means we have work to do. It’s better than spawn camping.

In actual fact, the more you take from us at ‘night’ the more objective points we have to choose from in the morning, the more spread out you are trying to defend them all.

so really, i see no issue here what-so-ever. Go, cap, make merry and have fun, I’ll take it while YOU sleep

We’re just getting around to people putting in WP’s into the keeps for the week matches. 8 hours matches and it will be just zerg cap, no upgrading just get what ya can as fast as you can.

Oh your after skill… well then the skill comes in facing larger opponents. I’ll agree it takes no skill to join a zerg but it does take skill to form a small group and skirt around, make new tactics, pick out new points THAT’s where your skill comes in.

Also a lot of skill in SPvP :p

OOOH its population balance you want…well… go SPvP..8v8 thats balanced..

I agree no one likes running into a zerg but this IS WvWvW IT HAPPENS.. ITS NOT BALANCED or is it supposed to be… if your fielding a lesser army, dont expect to start taking high profile positions, get what you can, think outside the box. That’s why it’ll never be ‘balanced’ to encourage differing tactics.

Again still no problem.. except it doesnt suit YOU. any form of open warfare, be it W3 or RvR in warhammer or DAoC will NEVER EVER EVER be balanced. It’s the nature of the beast. There will be times your winning, times when your not, times when you field more ppl than the enemy, times when you dont and THAT, my friend, is what makes WvWvW exciting.

Thats a LOT of bots…. I suggest reporting as many as you can. Shame, as those bots are filling up the ques for people who actually want to play, ET aside, that isnt fair for those who want to get in.

On that note, however, I often put myself on run against a wall, if I need a Bio or the phone rings. I dont leave myself there for any great period of time but RL happens and I have every intention of coming back when its run off again kittenRL) lol… If I’m going afk for more than 20 mins however I will log out.. SO please, dont report lil old mee, I’m just taking a pee.

I remember my first encounter… Bull rush, whirling blades..Dead thief… I was like “wow really?”

It was in SPvP so i messaged him and asked him about it, he was very helpful, great thing about SPvP is you can talk to people and ask how they set them selves up. Now if i remember right Whirling blades sticks the warrior to the spot right?

Dodge bull rush and kite – was his advice.

I try to avoid warriors now lol, they ALL carry two handers just for that burst

@Kashak – I know, its a real issue… MAYBE, we should suggest making the points from the objectives they take worth LESS, say 15% of the overall points. That would solve everything.

W3 is not supposed to be ‘balanced’ thats what SPvP is for….
W3 is a 24/7 ongoing war, no ‘resets’ in war….
Resetting W3 would mean zerg rushing the portals
Night capping doesnt exist – its a myth

Thats a point, if there was an alliance, the maps would be 50/50 and there would be JQQ spawn camping…

• Slamz – You make it sound like you earnt every single point on your own..bless..

Doesnt answer the question, considering, THATS the only time HE gets to play, thats the only time YOU get to play AND you both bought the same game.

Flip it on it’s head then… Because ON PEAK times have more players, points should be divided by population, meaning you get LESS points because more ppl online, not nice when the boots on the other foot eh? Yet you’ll QQ about that too because it doesnt suit YOU!

and THAT is what this is all about..suiting YOU.. forgetting the rest of the world cant play at the same time as you, renders then inferior but that dont matter as long as YOU get to keep what you worked for.

If you dont like the fact other people may be playing the same game as you when your asleep, go play Diablo 3.. oh wait..well something else instead.

This thread is just another example of butt hurt, selfish, egotistical, arrogant and ignorant people wanting the world their own way.

Adolf: "We will bomb London at night! "
Chruchill :“you ‘could’ do that but dont forget its only worth 15% because it’s ‘off peak’”
Adolf “kittenziz, fine, when iz it bezt to bomb you?”
Churchill: “Anywhen between 5pm and midnight good for you?”
Adolf: “And we get pull pointz for ziz?”

injecting some sarcastic comedy into the thread… QQoff-peak! pah!

The world is… ROUND? People are awake when I’m Asleep????

LIES! all LIES!

@ Wolfus – your not getting the kitten end, its not your fault you play at a specific time of the day, you do what you gotta do and have fun doing it, playing a game you spent your hard earned cash on..

Just the same as it’s not his fault he is butt hurt that his tower or whatever isnt there when he wakes up because, heaven forbid, it should be captured and over run by enemy forces in a battle field.. gasp

hunter.9634:

No, you don’t Wolfus. Keep dreaming. Your zerg battling 2-3 poor folks wandering around in the wilderness isn’t WvW.

Try again please. Also, make it more obvious that you’re just greedily obsessed with the karma/gold/xp train you and your friends keep riding. Address my points or go home.

Actually it is..

if you want 6v6, go do SPvP… W3 is unpredictable and ever changing, 3 guys wandering into a zerg is just that… unpredictable.. so yeh 3v 30 IS WvW… Try SPvP for more balance.

There is No ‘off peak’ issue… Its always 5:00pm somewhere!

@ Jorjeis – I guess your on HoD? some of your points, can i haz? You dont need all of them, surely :p

Well I played Warhammer Online for years and that has a huge open PvP (or rvr as they call it) imbalance, depending on what server has the highest pop on at any one time. There are considerably LESS things to do in the open war than in GW2 and the PVE isnt great, So I’m used to being pitted against insurmountable odds and STILL finding things to do, enjoy and stuff that could potentially screw up the enemy, THAT is what the war is about NOT the points system, QQing about Chuck Norris taking yer stuff when you sleep

See you on the battle field and if you kill me, please place me at the road side in a nice peaceful place, I like roses

@ Slamz – still didnt answer the question.. why should your contribution mean more than those who play in Australia?

Chuck Norris plays off peak! FACT!

@Jorjeis – YES! Yes yes yes yes yes!

When I play W3 with my guild mates, we look at the scores and say “Whoo not doing so well” or “Whoo hoo winning” but that’s about it.. We didnt contribute to every single one of those points. Server pride sneaks in a little but we know those points are not down to us individuality… So why do we play? FUN!

We go to W3 whether we are winning or being stomped in the points, we play equally if we’re winning or loosing. We go out there, team up, take what we can, get the xp and the other rewards and see what fun battles we can get into.. win or loose, points wise, just have fun already!

Define..Off hours…. I’M in the UK and play on US servers, my (supposed) hours are 8 hours ahead of you, is THAT off peak?

What about oceanic players? Their peek time is you night time… Is THAT off peak?

America is NOT the center of the world and the Australians’ and Europeans’ contribution means exactly the same as the Americans’

Why should I fight for 50% of the points? Is my meager contribution only worth half as much as yours? No!

Again.. i say ..war is 24/7, W3 isnt balanced either.

WWI was stopped at Christmas for a football match in no-man’s land. shrug

But yeh.. war is 24/7.. simple….

W3 ISNT balanced either… you want balance, go SPvP.

I dont get what is so difficult to understand.

@fractalKinesis – I know right! 2 servers want the juiciest position and all roll up with their game heads on.. epic!

but seriously dude, there is NO Alliance between HoD and SBI. Seriously.. and JQQ has to stop blaming their loss on this. It’s, well, embarrassing. We all KNOW HoD are a tough cookie, we bang on their doors for hours and get pushed back, SO we go for an easier target, which is probably owned by JQQ, simple.. weakest target, more chance of success… And as for huge zergs bypassing SBI guys to kill JQ.. maybe the zerg is actually focused on one goal and chasing after two or three randoms isnt going to be benificial to them.

I was overlooking a supply camp the other night, minding my own business when i got stampeded by a HoD zerg, i was dead before i even realized what was happening LOL.. i laughed so hard but they were focused on something and their train kept on rolling… SO stand in their way they will kill us as much as you, move aside and they may see you too as ‘too much bother’

HoD really ARE a great server to go up against, they really test us and our resolve. Some people’s tactics are not sound because, as you say, they always look at the points rather than the actual, strategic fight. Would rather take HoD stuff because ‘they are ahead in points’ rather than focus on a position that is actually possible to defend and keep. Although, soon enough we will pull those little niggles together and get better. Would like to THANK HoD for making US better players

As for JQQ (as you are more affectionately known) jumping up and down on dead bodies, laughing when 10 of you kill a single guy, like it was a challenge or anything and the constant QQing about some non existent alliance between SBI and HoD. I dont think much respect has been sent your way. Its a shame, potentially these SBI, JQQ (whoops sorry JQ) and HoD matches ‘could’ of been some of the most competitive and sporting three way fights.

SBI has much respect for their HoD enemies but none for their JQQ (I must stop that lol) looking forward to our next HoD match up, as for JQQ…Meh! whatever.

Edit: “Double teams”?? You can count right… THREE servers… 1..2..3.. which means its 1 vs 2, you’ll always be against 2. What do you want? SBI staying on the west and HoD staying on the East and never both deciding what JQ have is a viable target at the same time? L2W3!

um..your welcome…. i guess (?)

That was Darkhaven was it? Cant build golums with no supply camps :p (SBI is blue btw)

Boasting your success against a weaker server is tantamount to ‘compensating’ Lets see a video of you against HoD please? Can you do that against HoD?

anyway this thread can be closed? JQ have cemented their reputation now.. can we move along and start capping MORE of their stuff? :p

Was in W3 (or world cubed lol) earlier and JQ had NOTHING, i mean Zilch, its like they just gave up and went home. a couple of hours in they started to get a few points back but for a while the pie chart was just green and blue.

I LOVE fighting HoD, they dont cry in the forums AND they pose a substantial challenge, so with JQ all but out of the picture, we could get at it hammer and tongs. Just a shame we were not as organised as we could of been. oh well.

Stop allowing x-continent players?! Wow what a bunch of egotistical, arrogant, whinning, self centered rubbish!

I mean really? Im from the UK BUT I’m awake during the night and have played with east and west coast american friends for many years because of the time i’m actually available to play.. East – West coast time. So because your getting so roflstomped and want to win everything all the time, you want to STOP friends, who have been playing other games for a long time, playing with each other?! You want to break apart gaming communities, something ANet has always said it is proud to encourage, apart just because you cant see there are many other things to do wvwvw apart from spawn camp and win an entire map?

Pointless, pathetic, narrow minded and i’m glad your in now way in charge of anything Anet do. Thank the stars.

Sorry to be so..aggressive but these kind of ‘type before you think’ ideas are just so insultingly ignorant.

Scribbles.7493:

I’m pretty sure retaliation doesn’t proc retaliation. Condition ticks don’t proc retaliation either, I believe.

nawwww i would of loved to have seen that LOL

Wow! JQ really are building up a hearty reputation…

And here I thought, because of the other forum thread, there was an alliance between HoD and SBI to KILL JQ… hmmm your welcome BTW

kill him, get a badge, hope he comes back.. more badges.

As a thief, i die A LOT, if im swarmed and i dont make a lot of money in game, i should start focusing on that i suppose lol

I’m in two minds, removing damage in wvwvw is a good idea. Warhammer never had damage to armour because you died just so much.

Then again, (apart from the long walk which is easily player rectified) what penalty is there.. Again Warhammer had a great idea… a health debuff for a few mins that stacked.

HOWEVER, this isnt warhammer but there should be some form of penalty.