Guild Wars 2

I personally liked the DBL’s, I found them more interesting than the ABL’s. That being said they both have their strengths.

The DBL’s were unique. The Two Keeps and the Garrison were interesting, each with their own mechanics (reused on each map). The bosses for the keeps and individual towers we’re cool as well. Something the Alpine BL’s were kind of lacking.

However part of the problem imo with the DBL’s is the large size. It takes a lot longer to run supply/move around from camp to camp than it does on the ABL’s. But otherwise I don’t have any issues with either map. I am not really sure why so many were so against the DBL’s (but I didn’t WvW as much then as I do now).

Kaiser.9873:

In the olden days you would still have X number of players, but instead of one blob there would be 4 different groups running around. Now those 4 groups of 15-20 voltron into a giant blob, and it isn’t as fun as it used to be.

I agree that low pop fights are better found in PvP as WvW is meant for larger clashes, but I do wish that the blobs would separate a bit more.

Yeah, but I’m not talking 5v5 fights (I am not sure why anyone thinks I want 3-5 people zergs) But I would like to have the option of one big zerg of like 10-20 people and then have a bunch of people NOT with the zerg doing support stuff. Taking camps, stopping yaks, scouting etc. That’s what I liked about being on a lower tier server as there is more strategy beyond “Blob up and fight 50-100 people vs 50-100 people”.

ET on regular basis at T8 was outnumbered on a regular basis, we were forced to adapt, and before the server link we were going to actually hit T7 (the week of actually). We did that through hard work in spite of our numbers.

But then the server was linked with Blackgate (who are very welcoming), without asking btw, what the lower tier servers felt about the matter. While tensions have lowered, we have entire guilds that LEFT higher tier servers because they didn’t like the Blob v Blob mentality, to be thrust back into it.

And then there are the 3-4 hour queue times. We were used to just hopping in and going around taking things, fighting skirmishes, building seige etc. at peak times or reset. We had rally nights (and later rally weeks). But we’re lucky if we can get more than 5 people in a single guild into the BL’s at the same time do to queue times. And that’s a GOOD change?

Josh XT.6053:

No it really is, when BP was in T7 and T8, it was a ghost town. It was boring and most of what I fought was doors. So yeah, I’ve been to T8, I’ve been to every tier in fact.

Budman.2934:

its all about teamwork with more people added to your server and your enemy server tactics must change I used to be from IOJ we lost about every match but we adapted our tactics instead of fighting in one big zerg we spread out into 6 smaller groups and attacked 6 towers at once we focused Point per tick and were able to win matches with just doing that eventually the enemy had to reorganize themselves so then they just focused on small ops warfare which was great but I transferred from a lower tier to a higher one for the zerging experience alongside the small ops

what I’m trying to say is expand your view on the situation there are a lot of positives you are missing out because your only focusing on the one negative that you might yourself be wrong about

T8 was about strategy, as my server was outnumbered most of the time (ET), but we worked our way to almost going to T7 with lower numbers. And it was never a ghost town, there were always people on the map.

As for the small ops quote, that would be great, but it doesn’t work where we are at now. You can’t step go outside and start taking camps as a small group without either running into a group of enemies or friends. If you liked taking camps alone your lucky if you can even do that without running into someone else. God forbid you want to challenge yourself and take a tower or a keep with a low number of players.

And frankly if they sent us back to T8 with the alpines, I’m sure populations would be better than when we had the DBL’s.

Josh XT.6053:

So basically you liked to fight doors and now you can’t do that because people will come stop you.

I’m sorry but 75% like it (including myself) for a reason, because you’re the minority that likes to fight against doors only and just ktrain around mindlessly with no fights. You can accomplish ktraining in PvE without running in to enemy players, so there is no need for an empty bottom tier.

People stopped us, I don’t think you stepped in a t8 server. Everyone assumes it’s a ghost town. It’s not. We had our own strategies for defense and offense, and it was a fun time. But we were thrust to the top without even being asked becuase people complained about populations.

Did I mention that we had people TRANSFER to us because they wanted out of the huge blob play style, just to be thrust back into it. Not everyone wants this change.

Cloud.7613:

If you want low population fights try PvP, because WvW isn’t designed for nothing but that which happens in T8 brackets.

I’ve done pvp, but you seem to think low population means 5v5 for some reason. When I say low population fights I’m saying like 20 vs 25 or 10 vs 20 fights. My server before the linking was just about to go to T7 from T8 in spite of the fact that we actually had a lower population of WvW players than our opponents.

We wanted to earn and fight our way up, which we were so close to doing, but now we can’t. We weren’t asked if we wanted to go to T1, we forced into it.

It might be helping the overall attendance of WvW, but for servers like us, it has damaged the community as well. On reset for example if you aren’t quick enough to get into a EB or a BL under the current system, you have to wait hours in a queue. And this doesn’t just happen at reset, it also happens at peak times.

I am from a T8 server, and want to go back to T8. My reasoning is that I enjoy low population fights. I think it can also be a bit more strategic than “let’s blob over everyone and make it blob v blob”.

And I know a bunch of people who are hating the queues, hate that you can’t walk two feet without running into anyone else, and that we have no real identity. Also that we went from being lower on the totem pole to a T1 server without being asked.

And the problem then is that there are people who transferred FROM large blob servers to get away from all that, to be thrust right back into it.

I get that it helps the majority of players enjoy WvW, and that it probably helped a bunch of people get back into it, but at the same time I’m sure it’s pushed some people out of it as well.