Guild Wars 2

Read the notes. Oh more wxp? Thanks anet. Amazing. Garbage patch with stupid tooltip updates.

Guardians OP. Nerf PLZ.

I want to see 5 glass D/D eles. Sounds painful…

Lovers quarrel ^^^^^^

Darek.1836:

Tots.3056:

Ynot.8397:

Tots.3056:

Darek.1836:

Tots.3056:

Ynot.8397:

Flytrap.8075:

insanemaniac.2456:

Stewie.3549:

insanemaniac.2456:

careful, [bags] doesnt like it when theyre dumb enough to follow someone into fully upgraded keep guards and 2 of their 4 die to 1 person. they try to troll you by letting you rot in downed state the next time you fight 4v4.

lol

So far your server has placed a cataptult on 3 seperate occasions on the northwest tower vista in the last matchup and the current one in order to counter a catapult placed by Bags to take down the wall. All catapults were extremely out of range of our own. One was placed by a player with the [GWTD] tag. THAT was dumb.

ill make sure they know its treb or nothin, thanks

you make sure your guildies know not to chase people into upped guards

I like how you act superior to others when you’re the one running away.

Not that I care about this argument, but using the map to make other people kill themselves is superior. Getting yourself killed by guards is kinda dumb.

It’s WvW, people die. What’s your point?

As for the trolling while you were downed…. Don’t die then. It sounds like you got outplayed and were angry about it, so you tough guy’d it on the forums when NPC’s did something you couldn’t.

Golf clap

We would be more than happy to fight you with even numbers to reassure you that you are bad. But you already know you’re bad, so you won’t accept this fight offer.

Either way, you lose.

you realize the person you’re talking to did several gvgs against Bags, many f which, if not most, he won. so gg. kittenty boaster.

In our 5v5’s we won a lot more than they did. If you were there you would have seen.

He was there. I only lost 3 of the gvgs we did when it was 5v5 :p OP necros ftw! You guys are really awesome though. I’d love to fight you guys again if you don’t go 3 guards, ele, and mesmer again xD

Two of our core 5 man players main guardians. We didn’t want to play three guards and tried different variations but that was the only way we could counter the condition spam. If it works it works.
Two guard, ele, mesmer and X is our main group, you guys just had so much condi X happened to be another guardian.

lol 2 guardians much better
no offense but reminds me of how PAXA thought they were so awesome because they brought 2-3 guards for 5 mans. and yeah Yarr is guilty of it too at times.

<3 yarr. Love fighting you guys. Got some good players over there.

p.s.- It was me who died to those guards on my theif alt. Guardian playing theif = tons of forum QQ apparently :P

Darek.1836:

Jeknar.6184:

gotem.5284:

mesmers = spam phantasms faceroll
thieves = run/stealth/reset till victory im super awesome at this game faceroll
ranger = spirit beasts OP faceroll
warrior = faceroll hundred blades
necro = faceroll condition/fear/torment
guardian = bunker faceroll until help comes
engi = i think im good cause i hit a few keys more but really just condition faceroll
ele = d/d faceroll

Did I cover it all? Or do people still want to pretend there class takes massive skill when this is GW2 a super low skill cap’d game.

I don’t think GW2 is a game where 1 build rule over all others… I’ve seen many diferent builds from the ones you listed work nicely, so I’d say GW2 is more like Rock/Paper/Scissors… One build is effective against a certain kind of oponent, but it problably will be weak against another.

You people should stop pretending that everyone around here is the same, because if they really are, why haven’t made a build to counter that yet? I’ve beaten many of the Infamous Backstab/Heartseeker thieves and Zerker Greatsword Warrior with my engineer (which isn’t condition based, as she only have 210 CD). The ones I usually don’t kill are the ones that can run away easily, or the condition mesmers/necros which are the weakness for my engineer.

It’s more a “L2P issue” than a “OP Class issue”. But I agree that people that make builds designed to face foes on 1v1 and flee when things get rough deserve to die in shame… If you can’t win a fair fight, at least die with honor! Remember, you can always respawn at your base

idk man when I see the “40% condition duration” food buff I typically run I the opposite direction of them because the last thing I want is some engi or necro who spams condis despite me dodging all of his best skills and landing tons of hits, outplaying them dramatically, then still get owned just because kiting condis.

Couldn’t agree more. I can churn out every condi cleanse I have while laying into a necro/engi zerker style and still get killed by conditions. It’s just the rate at which they are applied and how easy it is to spam them that makes it difficult to beat with anything but more conditions. But that is the state of the game so…yeah..

VoR doesn’t remove unless traited, which you can’t be with 5 in virtues. That being said, this may have been the mentality 2 months ago, but now easily 40-50% of my fights are with condition heavy classes/specs. If all you have is CoP, then you can wipe the first stacks of conditions, but you have a 60s cool down in which you WILL take a ton more condition damage.

I’m not trying to shoot holes in your build or anything, I mean it all constructively. Conditions are just so heavily used now that I don’t think any passive/single cleanse can take care of them.

Surely would make it more useful :P.

I say make that standard!!!

Where is your condition removal? No pure of voice and you are using shouts. Also, you aren’t using condi duration reduction food. What do you do against a condition build?

vincecontix.1264:

Kcrook.3945
Yea that was me you were being annoying lol and as you said you did laugh at me. You guys heavily outmanned us for most of the night we won all of the even fights(I think) and most the outmanned ones aswell. You do realize you team was tower and keep hugging so much tonight even when you guys outmanned us they still ran.

Fyi i was fraps most of the night and on several occassion I was 1v5ing. The only times I ran is when that phantasm mesmer had multiple iduelist up and there were still 4+ of you guys left over. A phantasm mesmer on his own is enough trouble. Did you really expect me to stay and fight all of you alone? I really like keeping my stacks ;0

Lol, no I didn’t expect you to waste your stax. Was just funny. Oh, and to clarify, those definitely aren’t people I run with. Their fighting was abysmal at best. I kept getting kitten ed off over and over again because you guys would almost insta down them. Puggies can be so frustrating…

To the sylvari P/D theif…

You really shouldn’t laugh over a body that you just killed 4v1…

I only laughed at you because every time your team dies, you run away as fast as possible. Go down with the ship man!

Thanks for duel [DHE] theif at DR NN

To the D/P theif from [FT], good fights earlier at the ruins!

SickDelirium.3956:

Tots.3056:

There’s a fun aspect of open field combat with no siege to weigh down a side. It wouldn’t bother people so much if you didn’t do it every time. However every single fight zerg on zerg you guys flash build siege like clockwork, first thing you do. It just gets old after a while, and when our only move is to change positions away from your siege it is frustrating. Nobody likes staring at each other for 15 minutes awaiting a fight that takes 30 seconds.

There aren’t any roaming grsoups interested in even fights, and when we go to your BL looking for enemies every single player is balled up tight on the commander, and you choose to waypoint instead of fight. I understand that is the tactic the game mechanics suggest and we even use them sometimes. It’s just the total dislike of open field combat that IoJ has, it brings boring fights and a boring matchup.

I understand it’s a PPT game, but surely we can’t be the only ones who like large scale open field combat.

To which, the response of “why the kitten would I do that?” was appropriate.

I only left in your response what was relevant.

You do it because it is challenging. Because it takes skill. Because it is rewarding to beat people who outnumber you.

It’s not that hard to grasp.

Maybe that many CORE, but you certainly had more HARD and a few others mixed in there. I believe a video is being made to showcase the fights both good and bad for us so we will see. Regardless, as you said, it was a blasty blast!

The fights were indeed fun, but I don’t understand the logic of falling back to Arrow Carts when you have the advantage of 60ish VS. 25ish. I can’t even begin to count how many arrow carts you guys built and how many times we just went out and stood in the open field so that you would even fight us. That being said though, it was a fun time when we actually duked it out. My game literally froze on the bridge by ruins one time because of your massive focused AOE. Never happend before lol.

[CORE] lets get a GvG going!

Otters.1567:

Kcrook.3945:

Varconi.1804:

Tots.3056:

Shu.6981:

Teivospy says he killed tots in 3 seconds and then almost won a 1v3 right after but was too busy laughing at how slow to react tots is.

Also this video is directed at kevin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvR0w8fSmTU

Tievospy ganked a full glass Mesmer who isn’t running a build designed for 1v1’s and who also didn’t fight back. Then tots watched as tievospy got wrecked by a full glass guardian in about 15 second in a 1v1. If you call two people watching that fight a 3v1 you are definitely too pro for us.

Edit: just read your YouTube comment rage on the video hahahahahaha, you say I’m a bad player? Okay then 1v1 me, I’ll run the tanky phantasm that apparently all the “mesmers who know how to play” run. But knowing you, you’ll back out. I play shatter because it’s more fun than single target phantasm build.

Love how you say I’m the one who’s mad when youve made three videos and a few essays directed at me, keep up the laughs, because we’re all still laughing.

Allow me to paraphrase “Teivospy owned me. I don’t know how to spec. I saw a guy beat Teivospy once, was hard to see the fight as I was dead at the time. I get my builds off the internet cause I can’t think for myself.”

Man I haven’t read the forums enough lately and here I am the star of a story. WAIT I MEAN BAHAHAHA I ROFL STOMPED TIEVO L2P PLAY NOOB U CANT BEAT BEST GUARD IN THE GAME.

I think that is more fitting in this thread…

I have to agree, you are probably the best guardian i have ever seen.

Your sarcasm hurts :P

Bahaha, good…haven’t seen you out in the wuv wuv yet. I look forward to it :p For me personally this is my dream matchup since there are finally some decent roamers to fight. Nothing againt ET or SF, but kitten they lack any dedicated skilled roamers.

Kevin! Long time no troll, wassupnoob?

Jscull.2514:

I agree attic. Anet could fix a lot of these issues / increase competitiveness by a couple easy fixes. Raise Aoe cap to 10 or 15, scale wxp/xp so the smaller the group used to kill a player / take a tower the more xp given (running in Zergs basically weeding out any xp given because its just too easy to get) out of combat rezzing of the dead, and the big one IMO other than Aoe cap GROUP BUFFS ONLY. People grouped get the buffs/condi removal… non grouped members get notta. This stuff was used in games 10 years ago. It really isn’t rocket science.

Yes yes yes, if these few fixes were done it would alleviate most of the imbalance there is in favor of zergs. Hell, even just getting my buffs on to the people I am GROUPED with would be nice. It is so simple, and as stated above….its been done for YEARS. The grouping mechanic of this game literally only gives you a blue dot on your map. Pointless. But, on the downside, Anet said in a WvW discussion post earlier this week that the AOE cap will never be raised because ‘the servers can’t handle it.’ So, our hopes and dreams there are crushed. Oh well, back to smashing my face into a zerg and running hoping to string a few out…

My god IoJ, a 50-60 man zerg on DR right now…The numbers you are turning out are insane!

Yea definately AH if you are going to zerg. Definately staff too. As far as solo goes I use gs-m/sh. Third attack on gs1 will give you some might. Its just a little difficult to run this solo because you sacrifice alot for your might duration. Must say though, in a zerg I would stand close to you for those 12 stacks of might for 20 seconds!

This is actually very interesting. The +80% might duration is impressive. On the trinkets I would maybe go for emerald jewels in the valk trinkets. That will net you 6% more crit chance and the losses wont be devastating. Another thing you may want to try is running 2water runes in place of 2 of the ones for might duration. You would only lose 5% duration and gain 15% on your other boons. This would net you more survivability for only about.25-.5 secs of might lost. Also, I said more precision since with all this might it would be nice to crit almost half the time.

Is this intended for solo or groups? Because a build for each one would have a good bit of variation.

Myst.5783:

Tots.3056:

Myst.5783:

To the [DDLG] group who tried twice to kill our trebs north Hills last night in GoM BL and wiped -hard- each time

You had enough to wipe all the GoM pugs there, yet you focused the trebs so intently you let a DPS oriented ele get a churning earth off right in the middle of you. I had a pretty good laugh seeing how many people I downed.

…

To all the people bickering about who is better, WvW is all about who has the bigger zerg and the better coverage.

You must have missed the six hours up until this where we consistently wiped your trebs/group, and capped everything but your bay and held/upgraded it. I believe we switched to our up levels for exp train at this point though, so that’s why we went for the trebs, they were worth more wxp than you guys were by that time.

Yep, I actually did miss that. Seems it didn’t help you get your lead back.

Switched to uplevels? Right… I still found it funny watching those two [DDLG] rushes fail so spectacularly to even dent a treb.

I wonder why it didn’t help us get our lead back? I guess because you are so incredibly awesome at smashing your face into doors all night. We made up about 3-3.5k points during primetime, while crushing your zergs and maneuvering around multiple maps. I understand your need to come on the forums and assert your ‘achievements’ when you actually do have enemies to fight before you night cap. It must be rough to PvDoor all night and no one gets to see your awesum skillz. I completely understand that PvD is a a part of the game and that someone has to do it, but don’t come to the forums trying to make a guild look bad just because you jumped off of a wall and clicked a button. Kinda makes you look like a moron.

Agreed. It is a poor mechanic in WvW. Question is, have the Devs acknowledged this and have it on their agenda to look at or have all the complaints gone unnoticed?

XxzaverxX.6790:

welp we can’t come back from this at all now….only way we can get back in the lead is if we capture everything knowing that is near to imposible to do…

Chin up dude. One day far far away from now we will have adequate coverage and rule the world.

One day…

Seriously guys…. How many times is stealth going to be brought up and whined about? If a thief is stealth stomping you and it upsets you it is because you want your buddies to come in and kill him first. Simple solution: when you go down have your friends aoe the kitten out of your downed body and BAM thief is done for! The problem here is not nor has it ever been the thief’s ability to stealth, but rather an extremely large deficit in player skill when they can’t see the thief. If you think about it, you probably know he is there due to already being backstabbed so your first instinct should be to protect your immediate surroundings (<200range). Do this by dropping aoe or or autoattacking while spinning around. You WILL cause him damage and he may land that next stab(if this takes you down then you are too glassy and it is your own fault) or he may rethink himself and change strategy. This whole time you should be trying to appply protection/heals/regen. Also, if u have no way of putting these boons on yourself or aoeing the area around you, you may want to rethink your build. How each class handles a thief is different based on their skill sets, but it is possible on all classes. I personally play a guardian and have had a theif pop me for 8.5k of my14k health and I have 3.1k armor! Did I freak out and QQ on the forums? No, I understood that thiefs have a different mechanic than me and I slapped on boons, dropped aoe and crushed him in seconds because he was glass as hell with 2.1k armor.

Just stop complaining about it and actually practice fighting them if you don’t want to die to them. Personally, P/d condi thiefs out there have had 10+ stacks of bleeding on me ticking for 136 each and that is incredibly more difficult to deal with that some guy attacking me from behind and HAS TO KEEP ATTACKING me there. You always know where he will be!

Kinda went off course there, but if they don’t down you then they can’t stealth stomp you. And honestly…how many fights have you won from downed state just because you could see the person attacking you? Yea….

This is all relevant to WvW and none of it is or will ever be tested by me in PvE. Also, this is from a solo roaming perspective.

I was messing around last night and decided to pull out my scepter and torch and see if I can make anything happen. I know this is a completely offensive weapon choice but I wanted to see, since I play a mainly defensive build, if I could put down more damage in a small amount of time with this choice. I found that I was actually able to synergize very well with my greatsword. I’ll just put below what my skill sequences tended to look like.

1. I open with sc/t and get my autoattack going while closing in.
2. I get on top of my enemy if possible and activate torch4 and immediately activate it again to shoot the flame. If you have trouble closing use scepter 3 to close distance.
3. I was typically fighting melee classes so then I would drop scepter 2 on top of myself and activate torch 5. Torch 5 isnt very strong, but it normally forces your enemy into a dodge roll. By this time they have eaten about 5-6 shots from scepter 2 and multiple autoattacks which hit pretty hard. Not to mention torch 4 and 5.
4. At this time I switch to greatsword. Now, you have a few options here. I personally drop symbol of wrath to protect my immediate area and gain retaliation. I then use leap of faith to close onto my enemy and proc more retaliation for leaping through symbol of wrath. I then use greatsword 5 to get ready for a pull. Normally at this time I am pressing them hard and they are hurting fairly bad so the will try to kite me. I follow for the next few seconds and try to land autoattacks. I will then activate greatsword 5 and pull them in. I see a ton of guardians use gs 5 and then immediately activate it. This leaves your opponent options such as dodge or a teleport. Every class out there knows what the little white sword is flying at them and they know it means bad things for them. For that reason alone I let it sit on my enemy almost for its full duration before I pull them, which allows them to waste more endurance/evasions. Finally, I pull them in and hit with greatsword 2. By this time alot of people are low on health and will try to kite you or you are fighting a bunker. If you are being kited, swap back to torch and use your immobilize or keep pressing with damage. When fighting a bunker class I tend to stay in greatsword and land autoattacks and use greatsword 3 and 5 to close ground. The autoattacks hurt like hell so make them count!

REMEMBER: You have no purely defensive weapon skills with this build. This if solely for fun/experimenting and to get people thinking. I normally run GS-M/Sh.

A little about my build. I run cleric gear, berserker weapons, and a mix of knights/cleric jewelry. I run citadel runes on my armor because without them my crit chance is only around 25-30 percent depending on food. The fury you gain is invaluable. With this gear selection I only have around 2800-2900 attack, again depending on food. I don’t want to go into my traits really as it is my own unique build, but I will tell you that I very very rarely lose 1v1 and every one of those I have lost I beat that same player multiple times thereafter and my loss was due to not clearing heavy conditions or making big mistakes. For more survivability I normally run greatsword and mace/shield.

This post is mainly intended to get people to think outside of the box with the guardian because there are waaaaay too many people running cookie cutter builds out there! Let me know if you have any bizarre weapon combos or stat combos that work well for you. Also, if you are interested in my build please pm me and I will be happy to share it with you. I’m not posting it here because I would hate to run into my enemies in WvW using it :p.

Thanks for taking the time to read this and if enough people are interested I will create a short video showcasing the combat sequence with the GS-Sc/T and it’s capabilities/limitations.

I rarely get on the forums for anything, but come on guys… Why ruin an event that is specifically held for players to test their skills against each other? Congratulations on trolling people with five guardians pulling off perma stability and a ton of retaliation. Anyone who ran a five guard group could do the same. Regardless of who you are or how awesome you think you are, you a kitten bags for interrupting the event and showing everyone how over inflated your fragile egos are.

You really should have shown all of the loot bags from the tunnel fight Oozo! That fight certainly seemed like it lasted longer than it did because any second they could have pushed out and that would have been a mess to contain. Thanks to all the IoJ who were there putting up a fight!

No, it wasn’t a repel of any kind…it went on for over an hour. That one blue tower was b/c we started the event for it. As you can imagine, it was soon zerged and gone.

Love that zerg spawn camp currently in EB.