Soon warrior will be OP. My day will come… mwuah hah haa
Here is to hoping we become viable!
Warrior and viable? How ? In which role? Sorry, but i havn´t got a clue. Thief, Ele, Mesmer, Ranger have a better mechanic, there´s nothing to be done about that.
And how many classes have access to a full two second stun? I hear shield bash is good but I wouldn’t know for sure since I am not a warrior player. But that is why you need timing and not keyboard face rolling.
First off… not needing to know the other profession to beat them shows that the class is kind of broken.
Secondly, Shield Bash has a 1 second stun with 300 range. So either that Mesmer is already in melee range (almost) or he won’t even be stunned long enough to get 1/3 of “100” Blades off. The damage from “100 Blades” is not instant like the Mesmer burst. Even if we stack our “Frenzy” with this it still takes 1 and 3/4 seconds to do a full “100 Blades” while the Mesmer combo is 1/2 second to being with.
It is fine by me to leave, but I still agree with you Blakey. A-net will not touch the Mesmer because it is its baby. What would be the point of the custom class if people couldn’t face roll with it?
I’m happy that you used this one as example, cuz he’s combo is bad…^^ Using CoF as opener is completely senseless… Normally you use Diversion since it stacks vulnerability to target. Afaik anet said they want to balance more for the top players and you almost see no mesmer using pistol… Ehm and showing a Mesmer killing heavy golem to show they’re burst seems like a troll… ever seen bs thief on heavy golem?….
Now please reread what you just said. It is a bad combo. It was still able to deal a huge amount of damage. Now think of people who have better builds…. yeah. There is a reason I linked that, because it is a good showcase on how bad people with mesmers can still do good.
On a golem the cof fail doesnt matter because diversion stacks vuln only on rupt, have you ever seen a golem using skills? and you may watch on his skillbar, he got everything on cd… +he uses one stun, wanna see ppl get kittened by one stun, even 100b wars do better on golems xD
Exactly the point. That is the Warrior build on a Mesmer. Only Mesmers have multiple different routes to make it so much better than the Warrior builds. It takes the majority of the Warriors skills to achieve the minimal Mesmer build. While the Max Warrior is still more vulnerable than the Min Mesmer.
And that one skill that you just pointed out is on a whopping long six second cooldown outdamages ANY other class in the game and it doesn’t matter what you say other wise. A 100b Warrior can easily catch someone with a stun break on cooldown and guarantee an instant win.
A 100b is only a one trick pony. If you die, l2p – seriously. A well played warrior will definetly beaten by an mid-skill mesmer. Range/clones, teleport, stun, root, >REAL Melee
Let me informe you all who are asking for Traps nerf that Traps had been this way since the release.But in the last month ppl started asking to nerf em cause they became too strong.Its just that Rangers learned how to use em not that its powerfull.
And i believe that the 90% of the complains are Shatter Mesmers with no cond removal skills,cause if you got some good cond removal skills its easy to counter a trap Ranger.
I used to cry out for nerfs too,but we are still in the learning state so any big nerf or big buff it might destroy the game right now.I come to understand devs for not making haste moves.Its better to focus in stuff like match making and this new map-game mode than balancing “OP” classes
Ranger is easy mode and the main problem is that increase in arrow speed thing enhances their damage.
Seriously a ranger can just kite, use their pet and a few traps and just melt anyone else. Its easy mode completely.
Play a ranger then, lad.
Lord is right. Ranger actually has only a small learning curve. The damage output is great for fights 1 v 1. Aoe for leeching glory in hotjoin.
I disagree completely, ranger is no easier than any other class.It may seem easy to you because rangers have been underdog in PvP since release and they had to work hard and learn how to adapt and overcome that, so now when they are balanced properly you start losing to skilled rangers and you think its easy. Because it MUST be easy, there is no way that someone who plays a ranger can be skilled player, all “skilled” players already play mesmers and thieves, right?
What you´re telling/teaching me? I play also a ranger. The thing is -> You have a pet, fast stacking conditions and great range + aoe ! Ranger isn´t hard . Play a warrior and be competive, that´s hard.
You play a ranger yet here you are badmouthing your own class ? Yeah, right. Necros and mesmers have even more pets, fast stacking conditions, better aoe and same range as rangers what is your kittening point?
I compare the classes only in their handling. And yes, ranger isnt´hard to play.
Let me informe you all who are asking for Traps nerf that Traps had been this way since the release.But in the last month ppl started asking to nerf em cause they became too strong.Its just that Rangers learned how to use em not that its powerfull.
And i believe that the 90% of the complains are Shatter Mesmers with no cond removal skills,cause if you got some good cond removal skills its easy to counter a trap Ranger.
I used to cry out for nerfs too,but we are still in the learning state so any big nerf or big buff it might destroy the game right now.I come to understand devs for not making haste moves.Its better to focus in stuff like match making and this new map-game mode than balancing “OP” classes
Ranger is easy mode and the main problem is that increase in arrow speed thing enhances their damage.
Seriously a ranger can just kite, use their pet and a few traps and just melt anyone else. Its easy mode completely.
Play a ranger then, lad.
Lord is right. Ranger actually has only a small learning curve. The damage output is great for fights 1 v 1. Aoe for leeching glory in hotjoin.
I disagree completely, ranger is no easier than any other class.It may seem easy to you because rangers have been underdog in PvP since release and they had to work hard and learn how to adapt and overcome that, so now when they are balanced properly you start losing to skilled rangers and you think its easy. Because it MUST be easy, there is no way that someone who plays a ranger can be skilled player, all “skilled” players already play mesmers and thieves, right?
What you´re telling/teaching me? I play also a ranger. The thing is → You have a pet, fast stacking conditions and great range + aoe ! Ranger isn´t hard . Play a warrior and be competive, that´s hard.
Let me informe you all who are asking for Traps nerf that Traps had been this way since the release.But in the last month ppl started asking to nerf em cause they became too strong.Its just that Rangers learned how to use em not that its powerfull.
And i believe that the 90% of the complains are Shatter Mesmers with no cond removal skills,cause if you got some good cond removal skills its easy to counter a trap Ranger.
I used to cry out for nerfs too,but we are still in the learning state so any big nerf or big buff it might destroy the game right now.I come to understand devs for not making haste moves.Its better to focus in stuff like match making and this new map-game mode than balancing “OP” classes
Ranger is easy mode and the main problem is that increase in arrow speed thing enhances their damage.
Seriously a ranger can just kite, use their pet and a few traps and just melt anyone else. Its easy mode completely.
Play a ranger then, lad.
Lord is right. Ranger actually has only a small learning curve. The damage output is great for fights 1 v 1. Aoe for leeching glory in hotjoin.
Man, you were playing in hot-join, 100% with new players judging by their armor. Considering the fact that most of them don’t even know how to dodge, and certainly not to interrupt your combo, I wouldn’t brag about warriors being viable.
Try and play against organized teams, you’d get demolished if you think this shows any kind of warrior viability.
In hotjoin you´ll hit and die by train. Standing in the middle of the place, without teleport or steatlh, isn´t funny. Maybe the balance-patch give warriors a scoop or something else …
Tell me the advantages of the rifle? Do you know the F1-skill? If that was an instant-skill, yes, it would be nice … but it´s only a dream, not reality.
Btw i don´t play a full 100 % glass cannon-build. Atm i try this one
@ Arheundel, sorry, but it´s only trolling. In Germany we say: Bla bla bla …
Read and understand THIS: In (all) fairness it must be said that … autoattack needs melee-range …
It´s kinda easy – for every class – kiting a warrior. Also, the conditions and GEOGRAPHY of the maps you can do to your advantage. It doesn´t matter the ele makes less damage, he will outplayed the warrior with heal and mobility + cc.
You simply can’t overcome my logic, I speak the truth and use real numbers..you lot use your own theory and non-existing numbers therefore you call “troll” anybody who slap you hard in the face with the sad truth…..that you want to play glass cannon and win a battle of attrition against somebody specced for survival….absolutely ridicolous.
Warriors got way more way to get close than enemies to get to away( unless he’s a trapper ranger) and you complain that you get kited, that’s simply a l2p issue, you’ve got ranged options also, viable ones, people have posted dozen of videos and your answer to these videos it’s always the same :" lol pro vs noobs"…ever thought that “maybe” you’re the noob?!
I must laugh, sorry. Atm, NO rifle oder longbow-m8 beaten me, i swear. Rifle isn´t an option because you will focused and offers mobility. Sword/Shild, Axe/Shield, maybe Mace/Shield plus Great Sword (for mobility) is the only viable build for competive PvP. Yes, you can play with longbow, but why? Rangers, Necrotics, Mesmer and Elementist do a better job.
@ Arheundel, sorry, but it´s only trolling. In Germany we say: Bla bla bla …
Read and understand THIS: In (all) fairness it must be said that … autoattack needs melee-range …
It´s kinda easy – for every class – kiting a warrior. Also, the conditions and GEOGRAPHY of the maps you can do to your advantage. It doesn´t matter the ele makes less damage, he will outplayed the warrior with heal and mobility + cc.
Okay, you argue about 1 vs 1 situations . Well, what about warriors?
Backstab-Thieve = 50 : 50
Thieve = 100 % (with pistol or shortbow)
Ranger = 100 % Ranger win (tons of conditions and pet)
Necrotic = 100 % Necrotic win (tons of conditions and hp-pool)
Guardian = 100 % Guardian win (best class ingame, nuff said)
Elementist = 100 % Elementist win (heal, cc and movement)
Engineer = 100 % Engineer win (nades, nades and conditions)
Mesmer = 100 % Mesmer win (well played mesmer is unbeatable)
This game wanna go for eSports! This isn´t a l2p issue, it´s only a design-issue.
If both play perfectly and are on the same skilllevel then I actually agree with this. Situation changes a bit in teamfights, but since our role in teamfights is burst and gtfo before we die, it’s not really a plus.
Zenith? In (all) fairness it must be said that … autoattack needs melee-range …
Bad mobility for the warrior? Are you serious? Try playing a guardian or greatsword ranger and then go cry about mobility, please.
Ranger and guardian prefer conditions and range. You dont know what you say, m8.
Warrior is broken. Tons of conditions, tons of bunker-skills and tons of blinkblink-advantages make this class – USELESS. Try, play a warrior and you´ll see.
Ele’s take far more player skill to utilize than any warrior spec. Warriors aren’t complicated to play, they’re just poorly designed. It’s sad that you’re still so bad at video games you think a basic A-B class design like warriors are more complex than playing a d/d ele.
You’ve also been kittening about eles for a long time now. Really bugs you getting rolled by a higher skill ceiling class doesn’t it? Because that’s really what it looks like.
No offense.
/eyeroll
I am not sure what you were trying to say about A-B, but i am assuming you are saying warriors are “linear” and eles are, what, triangles?
The real skill ceiling in gw2 is in team play not individual class play. At best, Ele just has 10 more skill buttons to hit than other classes. As far as inter-attunement combos, well they are all extremely simple and intuitive, so i wouldnt say the ele is a “complex” class (nor any gw2 class).
As far as the D/D ele vs warrior, well, both have virtually one good build, but as you can see:
D/D ele:
1. High defense, average HP, extremely tanky.
2. Good mobility in combat and non-combat.
3. Good DPS and even burst.
4. Excellent teamwork capability like dual ele cross-healing.
5. Constant healing/regen potential.
6. Great condition removal.
7. Good CC
8. Panic buttons that are great at escaping burst like mistform and teleport.
9. Multiple ways to reset a fight.
100b warrior:
1. Low defense, medium-high HP, glass cannon.
2. Average non-combat mobility, mediocre combat mobility.
3. Average DPS, and good but extremely predictable burst (not to mention bull charge has bad pathfinding issues).
4. Very limited teamwork capability unless you use warhammer and battle standard (which limits your damage/burst potential).
5. Very very bad healing, all 3 warrior heals are bad and dont scale well with a warrior’s high natural HP
6. Dreadful condition removal.
7. Bad CC, only bullscharge, unless you use warhammer (even then there is no “selfish” use for the warhammer since the warrior cant do much once they knock someone down except to land half a 100b combo).
8. No panic buttons, unless you count a 3 second kitten-tier invulnerability that doesnt even stop condition damage.
9. No way to reset the fight unless you count leaving melee range to run away (barely even out of 900-1200 range) to wait for your mediocre heal to come up.
There are obviously more reasons, but i think this kind of sums it up.
Which class really takes the most skill to be effective at.
Still a brainless class with too much “I messed up” buttons, map control, and team fight presence. Seriously a godly Mesmer will be a trash Warrior or Ranger, that’s just how the skill relation is between the Mesmer and those two other classes are.
Troll? Warrior in “High-End-Competition” is the hardest class in this funny Range/BlinkBlink>ALL Game.
i would’nt want to see them removed,
just everyone given an equal footing,
such as the “sturdy bodied”™ warrior who has no protection buff, no regen buff (unless you spec for banners lol) and only one utility skill to mitigate damage (endure pain) which lasts a puny 3 seconds on a 90 second cooldown.
compare that to eles with arcane shield, mist form, armor of earth and then you see a problem.
solution: give the “Sturdy Bodied Warrior”™ some Sturdy Bodied utilities.
Sorry,
based on many skill options, despite various nerfs, Mesmer actually looks very good, that was great since release op and still is. Mesmer, Thieves, Eles, Necrotics, Guardians, Trap Ranger still live on the beautiful side of life. I’m playing Mesmer, Ranger AND Warrior … Warrior still the worst class in the game and no more than a fifth wheel on the car. You can be lucky with Mesmer m8.
mesmer
something doing about severe clone spam, this is PVP not PVC (the stuff gimpsuits are made from)
The severe clone spam? 3 ACTIVE ILLUSIONS at a time… 3! That is as many pets as a necro can have up. It is not a clone spam we pop 3 burst pop 3 more then burst again. We have gotten a nerf to portal. Shattered strength has been nerfed, can’t summon illusion on blind/dodge/or block phantasm damage has been nerfed and now portal is getting shared. So maybe just don’t stand there with your thumb in your rear when a Mesmer goes to summon. Do something about it. Our class has been punished enough. Pretty soon mesmers will be beyond useless because of statements like this kitten.
And continues to be one of the strongest classes, not to be compared with eg a Warrior.
What you can destroy with warrior is mabye a necro and a mesmer. The ranger will easily auto-attack you to death, thief will burst, stealth, repeat.
Realy? I don´t think so. Warrior is broken. Playing alongside the warrior even Ranger, Mesmer and Bunker-Guard. I have to say warrior sucks in every respect. Against any class you currently have a chance, if the skill is approximately equal.
