Fair enough, give Warriors pull abilities on each melee weapon then.
Requiring a target in order to activate Rush or Leaps would be even a greater buff to stealth (where you immediately lose target) and clone classes (read: Thief and Mesmer). You know because those two classes need even more buffs because they aren’t popular at all…
TL;DR bad idea because you didn’t think about the easy counter classes
Why use such an unnecessarily complicated solution, when adding a target requirement as in other skills solves the entire issue.
If people want to cite sword/GS as an example of broken mobility, How about I cite the elementalist with fiery greatsword, teleport and rtl? Can anybody catch that? Seriously. Or thieves with shortbow and shadow step and stealth, or rangers with sword + greatsword.
Warriors wielding only a greatsword, with no trait cooldown only has average out of combat mobility. Which many people tend to have in WvW.
Perhaps you should read the thread. It is in reference to any and all professions weapon skills. So yes, this includes swoop, rush, savage leap, fiery rush, and the like. Thieves short bow is excluded, it requires ground targeting. Similarly whirlwind attack is excluded from the list. Blink and rocket boots or bulls charge on the other hand are utility skills, thus require the sacrifice of a utility slot for the mobility.
So to recap, because some posters appear to have an issue staying on the topic here. We are discussing weapons skills only, not utility skills. Further more, of the weapons skills, we are only discussing the ones with no targeting of any kind required. Again, because time and effort (ever so small as it may be) are required to use them.
I call shenanigans (to put it politely)…..You do not remember that, because it was not the case. If you have something well thought out or intelligent to add, we truly welcome your input. But when you start off with a line such as this, it is clear you are just trolling, or displaying an unreasonable bias.
Well what smart input did you just send? I play GW2 since the beginning and Warrior was an easy kill. Please enlighten that stupid little me please.
Greezzz
Before the haste nerf 100b warriors were (while squishy) extremely lethal in pvp.
I just will believe that. But I also have written that i solo roam in WvW, and its pretty hard to give that 100 blades damage to your opponent. Most time they get out of it before you finish your 100 blades. Even with bulls charge or Trow Balls.
Fair enough, give Warriors pull abilities on each melee weapon then.
Requiring a target in order to activate Rush or Leaps would be even a greater buff to stealth (where you immediately lose target) and clone classes (read: Thief and Mesmer). You know because those two classes need even more buffs because they aren’t popular at all…
TL;DR bad idea because you didn’t think about the easy counter classes
Why use such an unnecessarily complicated solution, when adding a target requirement as in other skills solves the entire issue.
If people want to cite sword/GS as an example of broken mobility, How about I cite the elementalist with fiery greatsword, teleport and rtl? Can anybody catch that? Seriously. Or thieves with shortbow and shadow step and stealth, or rangers with sword + greatsword.
Warriors wielding only a greatsword, with no trait cooldown only has average out of combat mobility. Which many people tend to have in WvW.
Perhaps you should read the thread. It is in reference to any and all professions weapon skills. So yes, this includes swoop, rush, savage leap, fiery rush, and the like. Thieves short bow is excluded, it requires ground targeting. Similarly whirlwind attack is excluded from the list. Blink and rocket boots or bulls charge on the other hand are utility skills, thus require the sacrifice of a utility slot for the mobility.
So to recap, because some posters appear to have an issue staying on the topic here. We are discussing weapons skills only, not utility skills. Further more, of the weapons skills, we are only discussing the ones with no targeting of any kind required. Again, because time and effort (ever so small as it may be) are required to use them.
I call shenanigans (to put it politely)…..You do not remember that, because it was not the case. If you have something well thought out or intelligent to add, we truly welcome your input. But when you start off with a line such as this, it is clear you are just trolling, or displaying an unreasonable bias.
Well what smart input did you just send? I play GW2 since the beginning and Warrior was an easy kill. Please enlighten that stupid little me please.
If people want to cite sword/GS as an example of broken mobility, How about I cite the elementalist with fiery greatsword, teleport and rtl? Can anybody catch that? Seriously. Or thieves with shortbow and shadow step and stealth, or rangers with sword + greatsword.
Warriors wielding only a greatsword, with no trait cooldown only has average out of combat mobility. Which many people tend to have in WvW.
I’ve caught a fiery greatsword ele on my warrior. Not sure if he was bad or what but I caught and then killed him. Shortbow thieves are quite easy to catch as the arrow has travel time and the extra distance gained is very small and can only do it twice before it becomes basically a 6-7s cooldown. Stealth is good for getting away but honestly doesn’t compete for landspeed. Shadowstep is the same as blink and you saw how quickly the warrior gets out of range after it’s used. Heartseeker on thief is actually really good landspeed but I don’t think it’s faster than a warrior. I’ve never had a problem with a ranger outrunning me or killing me for that matter.
The warrior is FAR from average landspeed. You can get 25% runspeed for using melee for 10pts which is great. Then the rush+whirlwind combo will alone create a big gap between you and other classes. You can have nearly 100% swiftness uptime with balanced stance+Signet of Rage too. Then of course you have savage leap and you can pair that with warhorn(swiftness+remove movement conditions) or shield for blocking which is good if someone ever does catch up(unlikely), getting out of a fight(likely), or if you run into someone heading towards you(likely).
Some classes can be pretty mobile but they have to really spec for it and give up other things. Warrior can be very mobile and lose very little while doing it. Just using a greatsword makes you more mobile than majority of enemies on the battlefield and that’s why I don’t also run sword with it. If someone starts outrunning me or catches up to me then meh, it’s not worth the chase and I’ll take a death.
The absolute worst thing that I’ve found in WvW that are faster than any class in the game are the quick travelers. At the first sign of a class they don’t want to fight or numerous enemies they can’t kill they quick travel back to safety. Supremely annoying.
I have seen both sides, sometimes you outrun sometimes you get outrun. Noway its always the same.
The things that p..s me off with nerfs is that i have to grind again for trinkets, armour, sigils and runes .
Would be great when i could get the stuff in WvW like its done in sPvP.
All the build diversity theory crafting would be like a wet dream.
I run all 8 characters so every nerf will hit me. Warrior is still my favorite but maybe it will change in future.
I said it before and i say it again. I prefer challenge over easy win over useless.
The skills warrior uses for mobility are suppose to be used for gap closers not escape mechanisms. Its probably a oversight by Anet, because if its not then they would be hypocritical to had nerfed elementalist for the same reason.
Rush, Bull’s charge and Savage leap should all require targets to use.
This. Anet is sadly slightly biased in their decisions. I know a few of anets team actually dohave warriors as their main characters. I hope they consider what they have done to ele gap closing and either revert the nerfs or apply the same screwed balancing logic tothe warrior abilities.
Warrior sword and greatsword is more mobile than a thief. A warrior can outrun a zerg and troll all day in wvw if they feel like it. Why are they allowed this much mobility, as well as the top damage in the game? and to top it all off, they have the highest base health and tankiness of all the professions. #biased balancing
Thats right but Sword is condition GS not. All you do with that is running.
I remember when Warrior just sucked. Playing one since 14 Months now, most of the time max damage GS and Axe/Shield. Gear and trinkets are Berserker.
Seen it overpowered a few months before 10th December when they change healing signet and most people were running GS and Hammer. Since 10th December its fine again and most Warriors i cross just die (probably because they aint good and following the fotm).
Where do you guys find those overpowered Warriors? in your dreams?
I was thinking to get rid of the GS but thats my mobility and for that i have to get rid of damage or cc. Please show me that uber Warrior.
Berserker’s Power, Warrior’s Sprint, Mobile Strikes and the utility Skill Bulls Charge (thats not working properly half time) are essential for me in this build.
If the Necro isnt just bad my chances are 0 (even with knight armor and Melandru Runes). Most Engineers also beat me. The only way to kill a thief is made him believe i play for the first time a Warrior and burst him down when he got 50 Health or they stealth and are gone.
PU Mesmer i cant beat but they also cant beat me. Ranger are freaking hard or ridiculous easy if they go LB and SB.
So my little resume would be:
Warrior went from bad to overpowerd to fine. If i want to be fast i have to sacrifice damage cause GS on Warrior is not half as good like most people say in this Thread.
I run all 8 Characters but the Warrior is the only Class where i think all Weapons have their meanings.
PS: Sometimes i think people are looking only for Ganks. I like winning but i love challenge even more. Greatest thing is winning by so little that 1 fault would make you lose the fight and my heartbeat still up for a few minutes after the fight.
Greezzz
I want I want i want. All those precious tears. What else do you want. Autoattack 100k damage at least I guess.
I’d like permastealth for all my characters all time even when attacking. And a few Dragon pets of course.
Because wanting the capability to use ranged weapons at the same distance as other classes is the same as wanting a super, hyper, ultra buff way out of line with everything.
Take your pathetic hyperbole somewhere else. I don’t think I’ll be able to take any post you ever make seriously after that.
yeah that was pretty pathetic and nonsensical. fairness= OP? wow thats a stretch. what a troll he was.
I want I want i want. All those precious tears. What else do you want. Autoattack 100k damage at least I guess.
I’d like permastealth for all my characters all time even when attacking. And a few Dragon pets of course.
Came back after a 2 or 3 month break. No defense, no upgrade no nothing. If someone gives intel about an attack the answer was: " Leave it alone, we’ll take it back in a few minutes".
Conclusion … People rather fight doors and npc’s than real people.
Conclusion2 … my server sucks as much as all the others.
Conclusion3 … I’m a f…ing noob who doesn’t get the game.
After an hour running with the masses I’m back on solo roaming trying to get som fights.
@Ragnar
I have all characters but the Engineer. Half of them have all exotics. I wouldn’t lose anything if its free from tomorrow but win allot of new possible builds. Take the runes for example, change them and/or the armor and you have allot less gold. Do you really see a disadvantage for you or anybody else if u could change them for free?
And I guess the thousands of players who have each spent 100s of hours, gold and badges on gearing up their characters for WvW (gear which is mostly useless in PvE), they can all go kitten themselves?
I haven’t played sPvP before, can I go to their forums and complain that all the guys at the top of the leaderboard have a huge advantage in glory/rank points, that’ll take ages for me to catch up?
Agree with Glitchfull.
But my day would already be safe, if i would have free access to all gear, weapons, sigil, runes and everything else to fit my character. It could have the crappiest skin i don’t care, but i could build my “perfect” build and tweak it anytime.
With that option my fun will reach a new level.
Ps: If i play anything else than WvW i’m not having fun, then i’m grinding equipment.
sPvP is fun for a short time but i usually play it to get a build idea for WvW.
