Guild Wars 2

Mammoth.1975

By farmed you mean you soloed content intended for groups of 8, in hard mode, with no chance of dying, right? So in what way did splitting skills ‘balance’ pve? It didn’t, it doesn’t. All it does is throw up barriers to pvp, and prove that people will pve no matter how unbalanced it is.

No Chance of dying? Are you kidding me?!?!?! I died tons of times while farming content. Yes I did solo it but it wasn’t without risks and there were plenty of times I died while doing it. I think you are over exaggerating in an attempt to make a point.

PVE skills were balanced and are still being changed and updated in Guild Wars. Just because you may have only played PVE meta builds to farm doesn’t mean we all did that. My husband and I completed pretty much all the content in guild wars together using hero’s. Including Slavers, UW, FOW, and DOA. We didn’t use meta builds we used builds we worked on to be the best for a given situation based on where we we’re going. Just because you can’t understand how to counter the enemies that are in the content you’re trying to do, doesn’t mean it’s unbalanced it means you haven’t spent the time to see what skills they have and what you can bring to the table to counter it.

I also welcome the splitting of PVE/PVP skills. Trying to balance skills towards two completely different types of game play only serves to frustrate players.

As far as GW skill split goes. It was a good thing, I played the game for 6 years and I never played the meta I spent A TON of time theory crafting and testing builds. Yes I farmed, but never with builds I got off of somebody else, they were builds I came up with myself and they worked.

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Those are bots, Anet is working on getting them.

Nashiem.8932

Its not spending the money that is the issue, its spending the money for un-fair advantages

I’m not sure what you’re finding to be an unfair advantage. Buying gold is just an alternative to spending hours farming. You’re not forced to do it, it’s just another way to get in game currency. That currency can’t even be used to get the better in game items.

Question, Do you feel bad spending money on going to the movies?

I don’t go to the movies, this game is my form of entertainment. I set an monthly entertainment budget for myself and that’s the amount I’m “allowed” to spend on frivolous items like Gem Store purchases.

Arena Net does a fine job of only selling fun items in the store and not selling anything that would get an advantage. Anything in the store is totally optional and not having it won’t keep you from doing anything.

I have over 650 hours of play time and I have a level 80 and I just can’t quit playing I love this game.

That’s pretty cool

I’ve been wanting this since bwe1

Hi mrauls,

Something to think about is that the hearts are just there to guide you to an area, make sure you talk to NPCs as well as these will trigger dynamic events. Where you can earn more xp. I think a lot of people miss that, and it’s easy to do so when you’re used to the old way of questing in MMORPG’s.

The best advice I can give you is to explore everywhere and talk to everyone, you might be surprised by what kind of events you find.

Also welcome to the game!

Curuniel.4830

To my mind, your guild members should be responsible for checking the guild announcement if they want to be involved in things. I haven’t played many MMOs but it never even occurred to me that we should be able to mail guild members en masse… anyone who needs that much organisation has a website in my experience. But that’s not much experience.

I would love it if that was the case, but they just don’t check it. The Message of the Day should be announced and we should have a better mail system in place for guilds.

Charming Rogue.8071:

I’ve actually heard people were going in WvW and changing up key NPC’s and moving them outside of keeps. This is not just annoying, but also quite game breaking if I say so myself.

I didn’t even think about that since I don’t WvW much, but I can see how it would be quite game breaking in those cases.

On my server (Henge of Denravi) They are constantly moving NPC’s to places that make them unusable and/or unreachable. It get’s really old.

Being in a guild sometimes using roll the dice is useful in decision making can we please have the /roll command back? Only this time in GW2 also let us choose how many sides the die has.

example:
input to chat
/roll 100
Output would be
MrsAngelD.6971 rolls 59 from a 100 side die

or something to that effect.

yeah I posted about this earlier and I included a video of a couple of guardians doing it. It’s so annoying.

As a guild leader I’m frustrated with quite a few guild issues. Aside from the ones you’ve already listed I add the following.

1. Announce the Guild Message of the day when a person logs in, and announce it when it’s updated, also when I edit it the previous message should be in the edit box so I don’t need to retype the whole thing to fix a typo
2. Allow me as a guild leader some way to mass email my guild members. Either through an influence purchase under say Politics, or just give me the option to do it.
3. Tell me when a guild member logs in online.

So Apparently Gaurdians are the ones moving NPCs around town. Which is annoying because they put them in ridiculous places.

Here’s a Video of a Gaurdian Moving an NPC.

Please fix this Arena net, it’s quite annoying.

I’m excited, I can’t wait to see what Anet has in store for us

I would love to have this in game, it would be great for letting members know when guild buff events are happening, like the +10% magic find for 3 days, etc….etc….etc….

Jared Horning.4802

“You have been playing 11 hours, please take a break”
Anyone ever beat that notice?

yep every in game event I would stay logged in for the duration of the event which was always over a day at least…lol.

As a guild leader who sends in game welcome emails to new guildies I have run into the message suppression far more often than I probably should have. It’s annoying because there is a character limit in email preventing me from putting all the information in one email so I’m forced to do multiple emails then I get annoyed even further by the message suppression.

Fay.2735:

As a Mesmer I would love to see a split between PvP/PvE because they keep nerfing abilities because they are OP in PvP but in PvE we are one of the weakest professions. So the Mesmer profession is suffering under being nerfed for PvP.

Yeah the mesmer thing is really annoying. My mesmer is only at 59 because I get so easily frustrated trying to play her.

Parisalchuk.9230:

Doing dungeons over and over again for a chance of loot isnt fun. Never was, never will be. Would much rather do a dungeon knowing at minimum I am going to get something worth my time.

Nothing wrong with having it both ways. You should get tokens a the end and a chance for rare drops of the all the bosses. Best of both worlds

You need to change your password again. (which I hope you did before posting this). Chances are your email account is comprimised, so you should probably change your email account password. If you’re using gmail you can enable two factor authentication with them. If not there is always the mobile authenticator app they have just released which is in beta.

use the command /age in the chat box in game.

It will tell you how many hours you’ve played that character & how many hours total you’ve played and how many much time has passed since you started playing currently mine is at 47 days

Morrigan.2809:

I support splitting PvE and PVP skills because it makes sense. They are two different game modes with different requirements and should be treated differently. A lot of people love PvE, why should they be penalized because of the PvP crowd?

This exactly.

urtv.8791:

guild message is done very horrible.the way it is now,the message is deleted every time you enter something new.it should instead show the old message and allow you to edit/delete it.getting tired of typing the same message only with bits of new info

I agree with you. They really need to make some Guild Quality of Life changes.

roqoco.4053:

Morrigan.2809:

As a staff/gs Mesmer with a condition build and traits to shorten my cooldowns on phantasms/ illusions. I can tell you that I have died more in the last 2 days than in the last 40 lvls.
I worked really hard to get my Mesmer to lvl 80 and to be good with her and I could hold my own unless I got swamped by 5-6 mobs.
Now I feel like I am an escort duty because I can’t walk five steps before being killed by wildlife.
It is sad and it makes me furious because I invested a lot in my character.
I resent having to rethink my build just to survive, because up until now I really enjoyed playing it.
I play mostly in PvE and Mesmer is a tricky class for that.
Why must I suffer because of PvP balance?

This is just the usual balancing whine that will happen every time Arenanet make a change to any class and just shows that what people are really asking for in this thread is PvE easy mode, where their class is allowed to remain OP and unbalanced.

In any case, mesmers are fine, check out the mesmer expertise here and on guru if you don’t know how to play one.

You know your quickness to dismiss people as whiny or unable to play really makes you come across is quite arrogant. I’m not saying you are arrogant but that is definitely one way someone could read your posts.

Nobody is asking for easy mode pve. What we are asking for is to tweak skills for PVE in the way & with the same care as they are tweaked for PVP. In order to do this properly the skills need to be split.

Revenge.3892:

By emails do you mean Whispers, In-game mail, or out of game email?
Also check out my thread which talks in more depth about guild functionality.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/Guild-Improvements-2/first#post375307

Sorry I clarified that I was referring to in game email

Morrigan.2809:

As a staff/gs Mesmer with a condition build and traits to shorten my cooldowns on phantasms/ illusions. I can tell you that I have died more in the last 2 days than in the last 40 lvls.
I worked really hard to get my Mesmer to lvl 80 and to be good with her and I could hold my own unless I got swamped by 5-6 mobs.
Now I feel like I am an escort duty because I can’t walk five steps before being killed by wildlife.
It is sad and it makes me furious because I invested a lot in my character.
I resent having to rethink my build just to survive, because up until now I really enjoyed playing it.
I play mostly in PvE and Mesmer is a tricky class for that.
Why must I suffer because of PvP balance?

Yeah my mesmer was going so well, now I have to change everything again. It’s so frustrating.

Right now it’s nearly impossible to make Guild Wide announcements that the whole guild will see. It’s also very difficult to message new members because of the in game email message suppression in place below I’ve outlined a few proposed to solutions to help guild leaders.

• Problem: Guild Message of the Day only visible when you open the guild panel
• Proposed Solution: Announce the Guild Message of the day to Members when they log into the game. If the Message of the day is changed it should be announced in guild chat.

• Problem: No Way to Mass message guild members attempting to message them individually you run into the in game email message suppression. Also with this in place the character amount allowed in emails is severely limited.
• Proposed Solution: Make one the of the guild buffs you can purchase with influence, give the guild leaders the ability to send guild wide emails.
• Propsed Solution part 2: The limit on the amount of characters allowed in an in game email is very limited with the message suppression in place you should relax the amount characters allowed in emails.

What are you talking about? Look at the front page of http://www.guildwars2.com they are always posting new articles and telling us what’s coming. You can also keep on eye out for new information on both twitter & facebook , and they also have a dev tracker right here on the front page of the forums so you can see what the devs are posting. Also there is the News and Announcements Forum

roqoco.4053:

Caramel Ham.4891:

Fact is….PvE ALWAYS suffers because of PvP. Its never the other way around. Just take a look at the recent “nerfs” that Anet has done. They do absolutely NOTHING for PvE except to frustrate players who already play a “weaker” class in PvE, but might be fine in PvP.

On the contrary balance is just as important in PvE as it is in PvP. Some of the changes are directed towards making the different weapon sets equally viable, that gives more variety in PvE.

If you were going to seriously make this point you would have to argue that PvE is too hard. But, in reality the opposite is true and those people who want an easier time of it can easily overlevel a bit before tackling the content.

This has nothing to do with people wanting things easier. We simply do not want to work up a viable PVE build for a PVE situation only to have it completely changed because of some unfairness in PVP.

My Guildies and I will spend hours trying to figure out dungeons and working on them together figuring out what builds work best for what we’re tackling, and when you spend hours figuring something out you want that to mean something. But when the builds are changed because of PVP and you have to turn around and re-think everything (which means more hours when and if you & your guildies can make the time again), it’s horribly frustrating and makes you not want to look at that dungeon again, because you feel like you’ve wasted your time. Then you have to worry about whether it will happen again and then what?? Well I guess back to square one again or just forget it.

This is the exact reason they implemented the split in Guild Wars. Us PVE Players complained like mad because our builds were always being changed to oblivion due to the need to balance PVP.

I still want a challenge in PVE I want my wins and losses to feel epic. What I don’t want is for my game-play style of choice to be changed because of another game-play style.

However they fix it they need to fix it I just hope they fix it, because having builds changed when the reason for the change is due to a completely different play-style is really frustrating.

robinsiebler.3801:

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That literally made me lol

Just like the title says I would love to be able to hide my gloves. Sometimes they just don’t look right with the other armor pieces.

While we’re at it can we hide shoes as well?

Thanks

1. When I click subscribe to a thread, nothing happens. I don’t want to receive emails about threads I posted it, but instead a list of threads I’m subscribed to should be in my forum profile so I can easily access them.
2. Sometimes the reply, flag and other buttons just aren’t visible on a thread. When this happens the only thing visible is the permalink button. Which can be really frustrating when you want to quote someone & reply to them.

arjeidi.2690:

GADefence.5634:

GW2 already has a split PvE/PvP skill system.

Don’t believe me? Take a look at signet of rage.

46 seconds of 60 in PvE, 30 of 60 in PvP.

The split needs to be across the board. Every skill. Even skills that currently seem “fine as they are”. They need to just split them now before it becomes more trouble later. And it will become more trouble later, just like it always does. The PVP metagame (sometimes even PvE meta when new content is introduced) is fluid, so things change and are discovered all the time, which will lead to ANet constantly balancing skills based on that. Changing skills for no reason at all is ridiculous, and when you play PvE but the skills are balanced for PvP, that’s exactly what they’re doing: Rebalancing PvE for no reason.

GW1 suffered from it, and they sounded like they were aware of this during all their hyping up for GW2. Yet now its hidden or not even there.

Yeah I remember how annoying it was every time skills were changed because of PVP. It was such a pita to PVE players. I too am truly amazed they didn’t take that system & improve upon on it GW2. Trying to balance one skill for both play styles is just going to frustrate a lot of people.

Echo.7634:

I have no issues with the 1 set of skills that works in PVP and PVE.

I play a mesmer.
I have a greatsword. I have a scepter, and a sword.
I ALSO have a staff, pistol and focus.
I swap out my weapons based around what I am doing to make best use of the various skills that those weapons offer.

I ALSO have all of my skills unlocked.
AND
I change then out depending on what I am doing and what the situation calls for.

The point is this:
There is no 1 build that works for every PVE situation.
If your doing DE’s you probably want to stack on lots of AOE and DPS skills.
If you running solo gathering resources you want speed and defensive buffs.
If your running a dungeon ( depending on what duengeon and boss your fighting ) want group boon/utility/healing/defensive skills.

you’re right there is no one size fits all build, however there are builds optimized for various situations and when skills are changed to cater to a completely different play style it can ruin a once viable build.

lothefallen.7081:

I don’t think it’s feasible to balance the skills with the whole of the game in mind, they definitely need to segment it so that players get a better, more balanced, and less frustrating experience.

Exactly my point

Strikerjolt.5910

So if this game pve side is ruined I will probably quit this game. I LOVE this game. I would buy a second copy of Guild Wars 2 if it came out in single player. That’s how much I love it.

Yeah I’m not a PVP person either, I really hate it when PVP changes ruin my pve.

Many Pesky Monk.3140:

The PvE/PvP split was the most amazing and innovative thing I’ve ever seen in an MMO. It boggles my mind that this game lacks this feature, which is supposed to be better than it’s predecessor. I really really really hope it will be added in the near future. It will be an immense fix to one of the many problems this game has. Time will tell I suppose. But, nonetheless, I approve of this! Bring back the split kitten

I know I was blown away that they didn’t continue such a great system into GW2 when it worked so well in GW.

I have my mini’s in invisible bags made by my tailor and I can have my mini out & about as well as not have it get deposited.

Our guild currently has 71 Members and we have done quite well in the upgrades department.

Currently Politics, Economy, and Architecture are level 4. We’re currently cooking the Art of war level 3 upgrade for our PVP players and having events for our bonuses such as the magic find, gathering, dungeon influence, influence & karma.

Feel free to contact us.

TravisTrout.6803:

Nurvus.2891:

I hope this never gets implemented.

I can’t believe anyone likes splitting PvP and PvE skills or mechanics…
It’s an easy way out that simply shows poor design philosophy.

Stop asking for things that make no sense, please…

Instead of splitting PvP and PvE skills, ANet needs to make PvP and PvE more similar so that it can be balanced under the same mechanics.

I think some people have misunderstood what is being discussed here. It’s not like that ever happens on the internet, right? ;-)

We’re talking about the numbers here, not the mechanics. Amounts, durations — that sort of thing. Same skills, but two sets of associated numbers; one for PVE, one for PVP.

The reason this is brilliant and the reason other games do it is pretty straightforward. Let’s say you have a skill called Signet of Reading Comprehension. When you activate the skill it lasts for 4 seconds. Well in PVE, 4 seconds of Signet of Reading Comprehension might be perfect. But in PVP, 4 seconds of Signet of Reading Comprehension might be too much. It might not be fair and balanced, because after all PVE and PVP are inherently different by their very nature and can never be the same nor have the same balancing requirements when it comes to abilities and skills.

So to solve the problem, Signet of Reading Comprehension has not one but two durations; one that is used in PVE, and the other in PVP. This allows the developers to tune one without breaking the other.

Nice analogy, That’s exactly what I’m talking about in my OP. Skills which function slightly different based on the way you’re playing the game. It has been working brilliantly in Guild Wars for a while now and I can’t understand why they would try to move away from it in Guild Wars 2.

Nurvus.2891:

I hope this never gets implemented.

I can’t believe anyone likes splitting PvP and PvE skills or mechanics…
It’s an easy way out that simply shows poor design philosophy.

Stop asking for things that make no sense, please…

Instead of splitting PvP and PvE skills, ANet needs to make PvP and PvE more similar so that it can be balanced under the same mechanics.

PVE & PVP Playstyles will never be more similar than they are now. NPC A.I. can only be so intutive & smart, their behaviors don’t change unless a developer comes along & changes it. While Player Characters can change at will depending on how the player reacts to the situation.

Skill Splitting worked wonderfully in Guild Wars & I’m positive it would work just as well in Guild Wars 2

Darmikau.9413:

This was by and far one of the single most important updates to Guild Wars 1. Nearly every single balance contention leading up to that point in GW1 centered around the fact that balancing the game for PvP severely hurt PvE (something Paragons have never recovered from – a testament to the necessity of the feature). Nerfs for the sake of PvP are already hurting the PvE side of this game (Whirlpool, one of the few good Elementalist elites. Mesmers in general, who are being crushed in PvE under the PvP-focused nerfs).

Yet a PvE/PvP split is sorely absent. It should have been one of the very first considerations made. Why is it missing?

I completely agree with you & it’s why I made a suggestion post to please bring it back in the suggestions forum

Victor.5819:

The game has released for a month more. Some bugs and changes are made to each profession.

How about some general talk about what devs think about current balance of profession??

The bug fix can’t never be finished for such huge game, however, the general official ideas about profession design and possible future fixes will restore faith to players.

I remembered I read something about one skill has different effect in PVE and PVP and I think its much better for profession balance than other famous MMO gamers. But as a elementalist, I didn’t notice much differences in PVE and PVP.

Most time I see lots of complaints about elementalist being weak in the ele sub form.
I just started a level 25 thief and read some thief complains about elite skill nerf today.
It would help to clarify the design principles of each professions in PVE, Tournament, sPVP, and WvWvW.

Original I was thinking video stream the discussion would be quite entertaining and new to gamers. Grab more attention you deserved. But a youtube video such as the one for pretty legendary weapons or even a blog post would be fine.

I really think the time is Now (maybe after the Oct special events)

Skills aren’t split at the moment, but I believe I remember reading (or maybe watching a video) where they said the code was in place to split them if needed, and honestly in my opinion it is needed. PVE & PVP are different games and should be treated as such. It’s why I made a Suggestion Thread about splitting them.

Easterlily.5836:

Why? I like how it is now. It feels more flexible and less restricted. Why would you want PvP abilities?

Did you play Guild Wars? The split skill system was the saving grace of pve. Take Aura of Restoration it had a pve & pvp version. The pve version would have been way overpowered in PvP and the pvp version would be worthless in pve. Splitting the skill allowed them to tweak it for each style of game play instead of trying to make the skill viable in both.

Pve & pvp are two completely different play styles. Humans can quickly react and adjust to a situation where as a.i. mobs will only change their play styles if game developers change them to do so. It makes sense to split them because they really are different games, at least in my opinion.

Guild Wars is not named for Guild Vs. Guild Battles which took place in Guild Wars, but for the lore:

The Guild Wars are the series of at least three wars among different guilds in the three human kingdoms of Ascalon, Kryta, and Orr. The wars ended only because the charr invasion from the north meant an even bigger threat to the three kingdoms.
The second Guild War was memorialized by the construction of Surmia in 1020 AE. Ascalon was the kingdom victorious of this war according to the Historical Monument of Surmia. It is unlikely that the war ended during 1020 AE, however, due to the length of the latest Guild War.
The most recent Guild War lasted for 57 years (from 1013 AE until 1070 AE). The war caused much suffering and hatred between the people of the three kingdoms. These old wounds can be seen in the present day in the form of the mistrust King Adelbern holds towards the efforts of Kryta to help Ascalon recover from the charr invasion, particularly towards Ambassador Zain. During this war, King Adelbern was a war hero which led to his eventual crowning as a king instead of Barradin becoming king.
While there have been many Guild Wars prior to this one, when characters in the game refer to the Guild War, they mean the last one which ended with the Searing. While initially confined to a conflict between guilds, when open combat erupted in the streets of Arah, Orr responded to protect its holy city. The military action against Krytan and Ascalonian guilds spurred the other nations into responding, leading to open conflict between the three nations.

Source

This is just a bit of info to pass along to the mis-informed or unaware.