Guild Wars 2

Emrad.9260:

@Nande
Knyx didn’t mean both an F2 return and a stun break, only the return.
The stun break was the suggestion of the OP.

Right. Still dont think thiefs needs another Shadowstep, SB thiefs are hard ti catch as it is. As someone already said, you can steal someone else but the attacker, an imagien i the attacker pops an utility to get to you and you just steal return. And you’re back to kiting.

Now you could still have shadowstep, and w.e the short teleport arrow is called, infiltrators arrow? The kiting could get out of hand :p

testpig.5018:

Stealth: Attacking consistently while totally 100% stealth….?
Please explain how this is balanced?

-Stealth should break(100% visible, not a slow fade in) when the stealth player does any action.
-Stealth players should have a chance to lose stealth when taking damage while stealth.
-Attacking a stealth player, should still display the damage in the area that the stealth player was hit in.

-I do think stealth should break a bit faster then it does right now yes, but should still have a small fade in, looks good and feels good when playing.
You got to remember it’s a attack done WHILE stealthed, not done when stealth breaks. Say you’re using Sneak attack with P/P it makes sense that you’re still stealthed when using it and pop out mid attack or at the end of it. At least to me.

-If this was to be implemented that would make all stealth utility really unreliable. Would condition damage count as a stealth breaker? Also channeling abilities right now keeps tracking us in stealth if we stealth while getting hit by it. That would totaly ruin stealth.
I don’t want another “WoW vanish” that doesn’t work half the time.

-Again this would make stealth unreliable, we already take full on damage when you land your melee swing. This would also make Shadow refuge totally worthless since your movement is limited.

Wops pardon me! I’ll change that change that when i get to a computer. I know perfectly fine how DB works cuz that’s my main damage dealer with my build.

I’m just saying as it is right now I go with 2 pistols on swith to get headshot and black poweder, and I spend stealth utility to get more bleeds up. Removing the reauirement to spend utility would be a massive damage + utility buff to that condition build.

Vexus.5423:

A lot of what is said is true, but am I the only one that things DB doesn’t “feel” like it should be the dual skill, spammed or not I think heartseeker feels more of that role.
switching both in respective slots, switching init costs, and giving DB the combo finisher feels more like it makes more sense.
This would make dagger/dagger still be a staple for burst/glass cannon builds with HS used as a finisher, whilst opening up a ton more options for dagger/X

That would be a SICK buff to the build i’m using. That way I could have insane mobility plus sick bleed dmg and I think that would be to strong. Dagger/pistol means I can stay in melee 24/7 thanks to black powder and just go say shortbow for mobility when i need to gtfo. Plus I have MORE ranged bleeds that doesn’t require me to use stealth utilitys to add more bleeds with P/P on switch.
It’s abit to good :P

Alright, fare enough :P

Knyx.5926:

Well I suggested in a thread of mine in the spvp forums. Just add an F2 ability of Shadow return, that is greyed out and unusable till steal has been activated.

To be honest I don’t think a thief needs more teleports. Especially if it’s gonna break stun then it basically gives you a free Shadowstep, so why would you really need that utility skill then?

I think that would be too good actually.

Vexus.5423:

I build for Power/Toughness/Vitality and Death Blossom is still great. I’m not using it to insta-kill anyone, but come on, even with -zero- Condition Damage, it hits for ~600+ raw damage, and then 3x 10second stacks of Bleed, meaning, ~1800-2000 damage to each of 3 targets you hit, over 10 seconds. I use it plenty because of the evade and the disorienting effect on the enemy. IF you are using it as your damage skill, you’re doing it wrong. And if you’re using it to down single targets, same response. Best for times where you’re engaging superior numbers. You ARE attacking larger groups, right? I sure hope so.

I would have to disagree, DB works wonders vs single target too if you’re running a condition/bleed build like I am. But yes it does shine when you can bleed multiple targets up.

Vexus.5423:

If fact, I love Death Blossom specifically because I’m not traited for it, meaning when they cure the bleed conditions it’s not that much of a damper on my DPS.

You can look at it like that but that to me would be to look at a glass half empty instead of half full. They might have wasted there heal or CD condition remover for your initial stacks but now they’re probably out of them and you can start to go serious on the bleed stacking.

Garlic Sensei.4103:

True OP is pure QQ LOL QQ MOAAR!
Apparently OP hasn’t been killed in less than 1 sec by a Warrrior ;p

loll! xD

Ashanor.5319:

Heat sinking charges are pro.

Bazeleel.8219:

Ok good I am not the only one this happens to. Blasted annoying!

I know right!

Vexus.5423:

I only noticed this last night. A charge came at me and after I Shadowstepped the guy made a 90 degree turn and kept charging me – and stunned me. The beauty of Shadowstep is then I had Shadow return, and thus escaped the stun and watched as he Hundred Blades the air.

Roll for Initiative isn’t the same. It’s not a long range escape mechanism. Shadowstep gives a stun escape, and then another escape back to the original position if needed. I’d probably use RFI in sPvP but not in WvW.

And yes the first cast of Shadowstep removes stuns. We’re talking about the Utility skill here. You don’t have to use it twice, you can just use it once to get away. It takes some discipline not to spam the key twice. But it’s very reliable.

Yes exactly, but if you see the charge coming you should not have to use your return to break the stun when he does the 90 degree turn and stuns you anyway. We should be rewarded for seeing the charge come at us.

I bet if they fix the tracking on channeling spells for when you go into stealth this might get fixed too, seems to be the same mechanical error/bug to me.

Kaj ata.1786:

When you use the first shadow step power to jump to a location the first jump does not break stuns how ever when you use the return feature it will break the charge and you wont have to worry about getting hit. I use this tactic all the time with Inf Strike when rocking a sword in the main hand. When i fight a melee class i always want to jump to them first so when they try to stun or disable me i jump back and then jump to them again so i am able to escape when ever i get stunned.

I think you missunderstood the post, im talking about Shadowstep the utility skill and how it works vs warrior charges.

Bazeleel.8219:

Ill give that a try I am just so fed up with being let down with my class type

You should try my bleed spec out, it’s different from the majority of builds and somewhat hard to play, but once you get the hang of it it works vs almost anything.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/en/?fYAQRAoY6alUmiP3dy9E9JFCXBjy7xXRWhlODaqB7FA;T4AgyCpogxAjAGrPOYkwsWYswxjtHPQmeA

And here’s a pvp movie I made few weeks back with that build:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKHdpbyNpVU

There are defo more builds around then the bursty builds. I’ve played my bleed build with D/D & P/P since 2nd beta and it works wonders. It surprises me that more people arn’t using it.
Full out condition damage, and you can stack up to 20 stacks pretty easily, if you nail everything you can get to 25 but that doesn’t happen often. Every bleed ticks for something like 120, and you down people prettykittenfast with 20 bleeds up!

Also P/P is awesome for condition builds, #1 from stealth adds 5 bleeds, normal #1 adds one bleed #5 basically makes you immune to damage and headshot is awesome for interrupting heals and just daze them til they die to your bleeds so I’ve no idea why you’re saying that P/P are useless.

Also, going for a tanky build doesn’t mean you’ll automatically survive a burst, you clearly have to dodge the damage dealing attacks :P

No offence but I think it’s just a learn to play issue here =/

Yes I know there are other options out there to break stuns but im talking about how broken shadowstep is right now, plus im using a special build with the stealth heal anyway.

So guys please, don’t say, “do this instead” we all know there are options and i want my option shadowstep to work and reward me for predicting/reacting to a charge.

Just no, that kills ALOT of thief utility that a thief actually brings to a sPvP match or tournament. Pretty much all utility lol. That they bring to a team fight that is.

Here is my thief! Not sure which look I prefer but I like both. =)

Shadowstep doesn’t work properly if you try and shadowstep a charge mid-charge. If you do that the warrior will just change direction and hit you anyway.

Imo you should get rewarded for reacting fast and trying to dodge any damage at all.

Yes, and right now you have to eat the stun and probably take some damage and the. Shadowstep and I think this is wrong. They should look into this.

never realized, I hope I forgett about this befor I can play later today haha :P

First of, I’ve not read any of the other posts!

Ok to my reply. DB is awesome.

I’m running with D/D & P/P condition build and when you stack the bleeds up you can get 20-25 bleeds up if you nail everything and my bleeds ticks for something like 125. Not 100% on the dmg but something like that.

I made this PvP video displaying the build and play style and you can find it here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKHdpbyNpVU&feature=plcp
If you’re intrested.

Im playing it in sPvP and tournaments and works perfectly for me.

Daecollo.9578:

Shadowstep, then dodge.

If i use my utility I should not have to use a dodge too, would rather dodge the charge if I have dodge ofc. You’re not answering the question rly.

Still I’m not getting rewarded for reacting fast and guaranteeing no damage taken and this is what I think is wrong.

Hello!

So I want to ask if anyone else has the same opinion about this.

So when I see a warrior charge me I don’t want to take any damage at all so I shadowstep the charge when he’s halfway to me from where he launched the charge.

The problem is when you do this the charge just changes direction midway and hits you anyway.

In my opinion this is wrong and I should be rewarded for reacting fast to the charge and it should land where I was shadowsteping from.

Thoughts?

DON’T tell me to use a different utility or do X instead that’s not the topic of discussion. Thanks!

I’ve been playing with my condition build for quite a while and i’m doing really good with it. I’ll link you to a post about it with a PvP vid too.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/links/Bleed-Thief-D-D-P-P/first#post50715

Great work! Should probably help a lot of people that have problems vs thiefs!

Hello!

Two weeks ago I was waiting for my new internet and had little to do, had a bunch of recorded GW2 so I decided to make my own PvP movie!

http://youtu.be/yKHdpbyNpVU?hd=1

During Beta I was fed up with any sort of Bursty-gimick build, so I was playing around with a few builds and stumbled upon this bleed build with D/D & P/P, going all out for as much invis utility, with stun breakers and shadow steps and condition damage.
Me and my buddy was working on this build quite a lot and this is the end product, in my opinion an solid build that fairs well vs every class and is not “cool down” dependent nor cheesy.
You need to play smart tho, this is NOT a run in, spam one key and win build.

Your rotation will generally look something like this:

1. Spend all your ini on Death blossom and get as many bleeds up as possible.
2. Swap to P/P within melee range so your weapon rune will bleed them even more.
3. Spend as many utility skills as you want to go invis and use #1(P/P) from invis which bleeds up your target more, keep your distance and take minimal damage and let your bleeds do the work for you. You can also interrupt heals and kills here which is neat.
4. Wait til you get enough Ini to bleed your target up more with Death Blossom, swap within melee range so your runes bleed them up too.
5. Rinse and repeat!

If there is enough interest for this build I’ll post it here later on unless you guys straight up figure it out. =) Not to hard imo!

Also sorry for any typos in the actually movie if there are any!
Feedback is appreciated.

Thanks and hope you enjoy it!

Hello!

Two weeks ago I was waiting for my new internet and had little to do, had a bunch of recorded GW2 so I decided to make my own PvP movie!

During Beta I was fed up with any sort of Bursty-gimick build, so I was playing around with a few builds and stumbled upon this bleed build with D/D & P/P, going all out for as much invis utility, with stun breakers and shadow steps and condition damage.
Me and my buddy was working on this build quite a lot and this is the end product, in my opinion an solid build that fairs well vs every class and is not “cool down” dependent nor cheesy.
You need to play smart tho, this is NOT a run in, spam one key and win build.

Your rotation will generally look something like this:

1. Spend all your ini on Death blossom and get as many bleeds up as possible.
2. Swap to P/P within melee range so your weapon rune will bleed them even more.
3. Spend as many utility skills as you want to go invis and use #1(P/P) from invis which bleeds up your target more, keep your distance and take minimal damage and let your bleeds do the work for you. You can also interrupt heals and kills here which is neat.
4. Wait til you get enough Ini to bleed your target up more with Death Blossom, swap within melee range so your runes bleed them up too.
5. Rinse and repeat!

If there is enough interest for this build I’ll post it here later on unless you guys straight up figure it out. =) Not to hard imo!

Also sorry for any typos in the actually movie if there are any!
Feedback is appreciated.

Thanks and hope you enjoy it!