Guild Wars 2

Khristal.4537:

An alliance between VS and AS … holy kitten you really know nothing of who you’re facing na ? the most influent guild/team of each server are facing each other for around 10yrs … yes 10, mean before you all came in the MMORPG world with wow.

Anyway where are you skilled players ? aw sorry I remind that you were kitten on NA ladder it’s why you came to zerg our doors by night surely feel strong now

Desolation, you should hire skilled people from EU, I know that you proclamed yourself best EU server during the Beta but hiring a non-skilled zerg of makeinu isn’t overreacting after your defeat ? :/

Let’s meet on the field (Ruins I know where to find you, always with your 100 friends, under this number it’s too risky to left your stronghold, na?)

kiss from Japan ;o

You don’t really know anything about ruin or the NA ladder do you or follow any of the history of what brought ruin here. You don’t mention them helping to dethrone Henge before they left the NA bracket because they literally found it the equivalent of watching paint dry it was so simple and boring to watch and play.

ET fell through the floor when ruin did leave so kinda says something about how crappy you think Ruin are lol. That 80-100 active players carried an entire server through the NA ladder to T1 almost in one straight shot.

At least get your empirical evidence correct before you spout off about a whole lot of nothing.

Go read mos you guys are outpaced during the day also.

Gwal.2813:

Natureswarden.5102:

you just have no real valid counter to it.

That’s exact, and that’s why it isn’t fair.

nightcap represent 2 things :
- dedication : less sleep, more playtime
- oversea recruitment
Unfortunatly, dedication can’t overcome oversea recruitment
No matter how dedicated players are (like in VS) they can’t counter oversea players themselves.

I’m going to be honest :
When VS saw Deso coming with NA guilds, VS first move was to try to recruit some QC guilds. But none of them is interested.
We’ve tried the “get better coverage” but It just can’t be for a localized server.
Hence the conclusion : It’s impossible for a localized server to fight against Deso like equals. No matter what, Deso will always repaint the map at nights and there is nothing we can do about it..
VS has some people playing at nights, night shift workers, students, unemployed, etc .. but they can’t stand against a whole guild.

and the same thing goes for all localized servers…
Like I said in several posts : NA ladder was meant to be the worldwide one. not the EU one, which was design for EU locals.

I don’t get why people who wants 24/7 coverage just don’t go to the NA worldwide ladder. That would leave the EU ladder for people who want to play at EU local times, giving every server a fair chance.

Everybody could be happy, getting the kind of battle they want. But some selfish players, looking for easy victory with no opposition are just ruining that.

Nice how you chopped up my post there

Read Anet’s post on night capping and you it explains their stance.

I find it very rich it was good enough for some servers when they were winning based on it now they can’t even win through the day or use the 2 v 1 to their advantage but need to come here imposing their will on everyone else.

Btw I along with some other |Ruin memebrs live in the EU. I also hold a full british passport not that it matters.

The game was structured the way it is by what I can see to create a dynamic ever changing battle. The ones who coordinate and put the most effort in overall will win.

Instead of coming here upset about it if I was in the FR shoes I would be using the free transferes to my advantage right now fishing for other die hard players to form the EU night cap you once had if that was indeed really EU based.

If you are unable to 2 v 1 clearly on the mos information you arent able to keep pace with desolation even through the daytime so really your argument holds no water. There are 4 native speaking FR servers…You have plenty of people to choose from and recruit from. Your just expecting it to drop in your lap when otehrs really have worked much harder than you choose to believe in order to make that happen and sustain it.

You guys just aren’t using the tools given to win at all so who is really expecting an easy win? I think your idea of everyone being happy is indeed you being happy. If your not go do something about it?

GreenGrin.7943:

NightShade.5283:

So, for example, if you are a European player who prefers to play on the North American worlds, you’re free to do so.

whos selfish now ? if NA people wanna play in EU then let it be lol

Absolutely no problem about that, but if they choose EU server and play during US times, their night-day-capping should not be rewarded with same score ticking.

Well one sad thing there 2 v 1 has been used wether its for 2 days or a week and its a trifaction game. So in order for that to happen the third faction would have to be eliminated to ensure a 2 v 1 didnt happen otherwise there would be much more flaming on these forums.

Also if you look at mos graphed scores the french servers are not winning through the daytime. That includes both VS and AS.

So some servers are essentially asking a dev to restructure a game when they night capped to the top and have 4 native language servers. They also claim their night force was comprised entirely of EU players. So its obvious by their own admissions they had an EU night cap..they just magically dissapeared? Or the other option is to believe they were inded french canadian which makes a whole lot more sense and others are saying here also….hmmm

Gwal.2813:

Genev.2450:

I think the point was more this:
“plusieurs guildes Québecoises sont déjà présentes sur VS”
Translated:
Several Quebec guilds are already on VS

Well, I don’t know why he said that Oo.
But there isn’t any QC guild on VS as far as I know.
If you can find them, introduce me please, because we are looking to recruit them in our alliance !

XD now its a recruitment thread and its okay to recruit NA players as long as they are on our server lmao . Oh and not american… xd .give me a break.

The topic of the thread has to do with the night cap and everything I had to say coincides with that. you just have no real valid counter to it. If VS are all out in rl doing something then all will be well in a week for you guys? So again whats your issue.

there are numbers allowed into a battleground yeah…so now its the fact you can’t get the required numbers to play during the daytime? and thats our fault how? There are 4 FR servers so plenty of pickings its your choice on how you use what you have to work with.

Your falling back on the last little bit of nothing you have left to argue about and if you want to cite people roaming off topic might want to remind yourself and all the others doing the same and tanking threads throughout the week.

Last week due to FR players mainly 3-4 threads were taken down.

I figure you guys just feel if you troll Anet hard enough you might get your way but again you have 4 FR speaking servers and the same tools as anyone else so gl with that.

loser? lol last time I checked the scores there was only one group of people sore about a thing XD I am home btw I live in the EU :P as do some other ruin memebrs. Go read mos you guys aren’t even winning during the day which is your whole arguement shot to bits. Got anything to say to that or do we need to passport scan to be suitable to enter play?

Heres some facts look at the graph
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/15
look at the daytime scores also look how consistant it is really overall.
clearly you arent the best or most dedicated

yeah look at those figures carefully your aguments been you lose during night time only. clearly thats not the case at all

Wothan.4673:

May not be a official alliance, but theirs fishy things going on like a certain a guild playing on both French servers last week. Cant wait to play wvww with 3 servers actually trying to win, rather then knock out just 1.

Well if AS and VS make and alliance this week, even a not official alliance..

Can you explain me why yesterday, to 6am at 14pm, VS attack only the AS position in the AS homemap, while Deso have 100% of VS homemap… they don’t fight to re take their homemap.. VS attack only our keep in our homemap and never fight deso in our homemap or in their homemap, only focus on us..

What a great alliance !

Maybe they choose the weaker side XD lol stands to reason though when both of you put together can’t take out one server now even during the daytime.

Lizerunn.9072:

@Zumazen :

Can’t wait really ?
It’s not like if you switch to Desolation to fight against NPC/doors and have easy win ?
Quite amusing how most of the serious structures on NA ladder laugh at you.

It’s a pity for the great players of Desolation we fight during our prime time (not to mention IRON and other’s). Actually they really deserve the T1 with their level, but they owe it to your massive unbrain zerg. So sad.

It’s really incredible how many of you can fall in a 10vs40 battle, thanks to Anet, falling is failure but not death. But not surprising though, you’re no more than childish players zergin’ around for caping. The score is enough to make you forget the nonsense of your life. Actually you may think you are so powerful even if being 50-60 it took you 1 full hour and several try to capture a simple tower only guarded by 5 men.

Eventually there’s something you must understand.
We definitely are not like you. We want great fight (that we get when we fight vs the real players of desolation on prime time, you’re no more than some parasites) and hard win. We are happy to fall if the battle was tight and epic, because we know it’s a game, it’s competition, it’s not about wining or loosing, it’s about giving the best of ourselves and becoming better. Our lives aren’t at stake, only the fun.

On the other hand, you only play for easy win, the big number is all that matters to you. Unable to have fun and to win on your own ladder, you came to EU in order to find empty keep because the victory is all what you aim no matter the way. None of yours night achievement is won under a min ratio of 1vs4. You simply fool yourself thinking an unbalanced won match makes yourself skilled and tough player.
Of course it’s not. Actually it might be the exact opposite. You are bad players, sore losers and sad winners.

You proved nothing so far and you really managed to be hated by most of the EU community. Odd things that really happened anytime you go somewhere in the world claiming your strength, you’re just so harmful and ridiculous as can be a stupid small boy playing with a gun.

I wont salute you for destroying the WvWvW EU ladder.
Go home if you have any.

People like you should be held accountable for what they say under all your long winded logic theres nothing but arrogant bigotry and bitter insults. You guys night capped and stayed at the top based on it. You have a tri faction game to work within and two same language servers. Map chats and an ability to hop or recruit like anyone else.

Thank yourselves for not having a clue how to show some manners or coordinate properly.

As for homes theres so many things politically and historically I could say but won’t because we have been asked to keep it civil here and SOME of us play by the rules.

Gwal VS nightcapped and wvw is 24/7…clearly you aren’t the best or most dedicated something I read time and again last week that really irked me because the daytime mos scoresheets prove for a fact desolation beats you during the day now also.

Want to talk about exploits or shady playing also what about the guild rolling on both VS and AS…same name…oh nobody really has an answer for that one though do they.

I love how people loosing and in one breath saying they stayed up during the nights also to counter the night cap can say that then come here crying because they are obviously unable to grasp the concepts of a trifaction game.

Ruin throw gold hand over fist at these matches XD they always did even on ET. They left ET also becuase the server as a whole had irrepairable underlying drama and most memebrs got sick of trying to help a server that didnt want to be helped. Before they left they helped to dethrone Henge who fell back on similar tacts as some FR servers to remain in the top slot.

Dont dish it out if you can’t take it. Go read Anets stance on the night capping and you thread about their views on WvW.

Its tri faction for a reason anyone with half a brain can see why its made that way.

Exewre.2837:

But its true
Fights were lot more competitive before. Last week was really boring for a T1 match up.
Desolation and especially Ruin the night is full of guys with no strategy, no siege weapons, hitting doors with teeth and just packing like a roman turtle in open to divide damage. I can see my rune of blood go from 0 to 25 in less than a minute and its like it did nothing to their raid with the outnumbering and the coma status
Also, I do same damage on them than i did first 3w weeks when it was full of unstuff and non 80 players..

Then you should be truly ashamed your loosing to Desolation then yeah. No strategy but loosing? Doesnt quite add up does it

Whatever flavour you like we dont discrimate over here… enjoy the show..

Troop.1369:

@Desolation: French this, french that… nightcapping doesn’t make you any good at this game. Remember that.

Take the time to read mos for the graphed scores and actually read a thread before you come in like a bull XD.

Obviously night capping doesnt make you good I would have thought some other servers might realize that more than deso by now.

Go read the mos graphed scores and realize your being knacked during the day as well when you 2v1 regularly

Apparently we are so mediocore everyone needs to sit here crying allday about our prescnece

Celimdor.7381:

The Mos scorelines speak for themselves we are holding our own in the daytime and its pretty close even through the night. So tyvm for the chuckles.

Yeah i admitt that in daytime the scores are sometime very close, since we fight against a 24h timezone coverage server most of the casual players left McM. It seems that a lot of people flee from a server when they don’t get easy wins, i m sure you know what i mean.
So we don’t have as much people as we used

Anyway we are not Uber PvP legends but gamers who do enjoy challenges and that’s the only difference between us. I will not argue anymore with you guys since it seems we don’t share the same point of view.

Have fun guys and cu InGame !!!

[MoS] Celimdor

2v1 is challenging maybe you’ll consider coming to deolation to try it if you want a real challenge.

I appreciate your comments and any civil player from any side having an opinion but mos really says allot. I would consider less time being forum warriors and more time opening up to recruit the players you need to compete as 1 server not 2 because that obviously isnt working for you guys.

Btw hers a nice video that correlates most of my personal experience in WvW. Ty to the OP and great job on the vid.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Desolation-strike-teams/first#post635057

Celimdor.7381:

Its noones fault but your own that you arent capable of playing a tri faction game and its 1 server lol. yeah 1 server versus your 2…Cry me a river I could sail away on all the tears round here XD.

No one is crying, personnaly i had the funniest fights in GW2 since the launch. On PA we do like challenges on our prime time or even when we are outnumbered 1 to 10 we do enjoy killing your zerg, sometimes it s 10 VS 50 and we still are able to make you run and we love that.

And like you said it’s a Trifaction so don’t say silly things at some point its 2 FR servers versus you and at some points we fight each other. We don’t complain when we are fighting 2vs1 and it happened a lot since 2 weeks.

If Desolation players do enjoy GW2 and EU servers i m happy for you, even if you will never get any respect from me with your terrible teamplay… I could have posted TONS of vids showing 10 PA wiping 20-50 Deso to show you my point, but i don’t even need to do that, you know already what i m talking about

Thank you Anet for this Game it’s really amazing.

[MoS]

On the 10 versus 50 I must have been sick that day really and if thats the case why come here complaining constantly about being so outmanned if you can run it on a skeleton crew.

The 2 v 1 has been admitted by the alliance coordinator wether it was for 2 days or a week so its a very real reality and the other part of your statement just proves that your alliance probably fell down because you were unable to stick wiht it. Not really Desolations fault youd rather cut your own throats than focus on the task at hand.

Id love to see this magical video collection also because it completely blasts out of the water 99.9% of whats being thrown around here which is your outnumbered and night capped?

I think most have enjoyed the 2 v 1 tbh because its pretty funny to watch two “uber pvp legends” (in their own mind) fall to pieces.

The Mos scorelines speak for themselves we are holding our own in the daytime and its pretty close even through the night. So tyvm for the chuckles.

easy to toss insults around much harder to blame yourselves isnt it XD i could talk about what wood is beeing knocked on but rather not go there pinnochio springs to mind though

“Have a nice day” {says in cheesy american acccent}

jaxom.7469:

what can i say

ok i admit, you’re so good you can go up against two fully allied T1 servers and win easily. you’re that strong.

never used the jumping bug to have the water fort, never used the thief bug to block supplies indefinitely , and we never see a massive amount of people bashing doors at night. By the way, VS people are not at all in a games meeting this week end, they are on AS , they like to lose to your incredible strengh, but in a different color for a change. And the rest of VS and AS are sooo motivated by these incredible fights and talented people on your side, always playing fair, that they try their hardest these days. We don’t see at all on french forums people rerolling waiting for Anet to take a decision, or leaving the game. Oh and yes, we have a 500 strong canadian jewish guild called CaSu, it’s good that Ruin came to balance so well T1.

so yeah, i think we need to leave one of your autocongratulation (sorry, battle report) threads, such good fights since you came.

Noone said it was an easy win but according to real data you can just read and weep some more. the daytime scores speak for themselves its all graphed and out there. Yes desolation is handling it well

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/15

The only thing stopping FR servers from nightcapping like they have done before is their unwillingness to recruit players from other timezones. Really your choice if you want to pigeonhole yourself in such a manner.

Its noone elses fault that you are incable of playing a tri faction game based on an inability to cooperate but your own.

Its also a bit rich to come here flying a banner a few weeks ago of we are the best most dedicated WvW players to watch you so easily defeated and morally destroyed. These were the same insults being tossed to Desolation players who actually stuck it out while being hammered from both sides but came back stronger as a result.

Jaghen.8314:

If I sound like whining, I apologize since it was nowhere near my intention… as I said, to me those whining are mostly trolls, and do not reflect the majority of people in VS or AS, no more than those insulting French for… being French do reflect DS population (well at least I do hope so ^^)

So far VS seems so be holding pretty well, holiday helping for sure, I guess we’ll need more match ups to see if the Language specific servs are doomed to end up in bottom tiers as the OP suggests or not

It didnt sound like whining at all I just didnt appreciate the dismissive tone of the OP and fel these people have massive advantages while being given the same tools as anyone else ingame to win.

Chris.3290:

Why don’t they just zone lock the servers down WvW wise? Would that be hard to implement. One of the contenders for the top spot in the US is Blackgate, which was on the way down until a large EU guild transfered there and a lot of people jumped on the bandwagon after that news broke.

I love playing with EU folks and I wish they’s have a “world series” every 2 months and have like servers face off across the pond.

That being said, US players on EU and vice-versa are creating a situation where every server is openly recruiting people from other continents. For some of these folks, winning is absolutely everything and they seem satisfied to break the game for everyone else if it means they can beat their chests and claim dominance in a manufactured arena.

I have to ask theres map chats on every world and every person is their own person. Theres nothing stopping other servers making an attempt to do the same or having the luxury to hop where they would like to be a part of it. I think over time rather than disrupt the rankings it will actually balance it as certain guilds find their place and settle. The fluctuations will come when there are disagreements and teams no longer function as such. That just means the remaining side has to work to get back where they were. Thats just life though you have to work fr what you want in it. If you expect to be just given wins whilst using every tool and a host of questionable tactics also thats just wrong in my book especially to sit and complain when its not working out for you

Jaghen.8314:

@natureswarden :
Well it’s not an EU server anymore, it’s a global one. The fact that maybe this is how things should turn out doesn’t change this, it’s a fact

Now for quite sometimes there has been numerous posts on these very forums asking anet to switch VS to NA – trolls all of them, probably even worse than those from VS complaining at this moment… Most people are not saying DS is a NA serv, but it is not an EU serv anymore either. It is something else now.

The fact that everyone had to recruit to reach the top except VS does mean something, maybe they are less dedicated, maybe the language barrier is a disadvantage… in that respect VS is indeed special.

Also, even if it is completely off topic, I think the fact that VS and AS are both fr servs actually destroyed their alliance rather than cementing it. French servs tend to enjoy beating each other way more than they enjoy beating someone else. SO your last point is shaky.

I just posted up based on the dismissing of an entire server because I feel these are attempts to troll off ruin or create infighting on Deso and have read loose things in other areas suggesting as such. Desolation worked to get the server to where it is not just Ruin.

The last part about rivalry within is a matter of pride and its a choice. If these servers don’t like whats happening they can pair together which others even with very bitter blood actually do. Its their choice not to do that so what can they expect to be handed a win if they won’t or allowed to hand pick the teams? thats what tournament play is for and yes some people world hop to play tourneys like that so if the transferes were to stop entirely where would those people be?

Theres one guild on VS that is also on AS and you can chat between worlds. A guy livesteaming another teams WvW positions was banned on the NA servers. How is this any different when you can steer a tide of people like that through one guild. Desolation isnt using tactics like this and so far I havent seen one person here mention it. I’ve just had enough of the oh poor me tale so yeah gonna throw that out there.

Knasher.5607:

Gwal.2813:

Why a server with more dedicated, more wvw oriented, and overall with better players, (which is the case of Vizunah, Arborstone and Elona I believe) should be behind in the ladder just because they don’t speak English ?

I’m really interested to know if this is the majority opinion on those servers. That the reason they were in tier 1 is because they are just better than everyone else? That the fact that Vizunah, at least at one point, had 500 person queues and full maps 23 hours a day was just a coincidence and that the real reason that they dominated tier 1 for a month is just because nobody else was quite as good as them? Perhaps it was a coincidence that the week Elona won just happened to be the same week that parts of Germany was on holidays?

The truth is that WvW ranking has never really been a measure of skill. It plays a part to be sure, but a minor one in comparison. Maybe the players on Vizunah or Arborstone or Elona really are just better, there is no real way to tell by looking at the data we are given. The only real thing it measures is the total amount of man hours people are playing WvW. Whether those hours come from a larger community (Vizunah), public holidays (Elona) or overseas players (Desolation), makes no difference. The goal of server ranking isn’t that the servers with the best players are competing, the goal is that the matchups be competitive and you can’t look at the current score in tier 1 and tell me that isn’t competitive.

I agree wholeheartedly with this post.

If the ranking were designed to stack that way all the top pvp guilds would gravitate to one server and that could still happen noones stopping it for anyone willing to get up and actually do something to help their server rather than sway public opinion to suit a very small minority.

WvW and the transfers are set up the way they are as far as I can see to give the average player a chance to participate. Thats what makes it fun because anyone can drop into them and you need to work with what you are given at a particular time.

That means the ranking will evolve regularly and people might move round or they might not. Some servers might just learn to coordinate better to deal with fluctuations.

Some servers have a huge advantage in one language then want to complain about night cap when they have done not only that but regularly use 2 v 1 also.

Not really fair at all some people arent seeing the positives in what they have at all or thinking outside the box to make it happen.

Romek.4201:

Quote:
“If I would belong to a US guild that was looking for a different setting than the US bracket, I wouldn’t count out single language servers. Guilds communicate with their VoIP and guild chat, not the map/team chat. One person can relay the information of what said guild is going to do for the rest of the server, there’s no requirement to learn another language for the whole guild.”

just no and thats the reason why 1 language servers are most time stronger than this multilanguage servers how you can see in eu ranking (ignore desolation its no eu server anymore)
we have server ts and we work as 1 team and not per guild a seperate team with some teamchat

Your argument holds no water at all there are NA servers using oceanic guilds that do not speak the language but use relays between guilds. They top the boards more often than not despite your arguement of a language barrier. Somehow they get by and adapt why can’t you? Why does an entire game have to change to serve one linguistic device.

For That matter how are euro servers which are melting pots not disadvantaged when there can be many languages cooperating together. Somehow they manage it.

Desolation major guilds all dip in and out of each others TS channels or have a higher ranking officer in there and the TS channel’s is also advertised so its roughly the same system.

You choose to run one chat…thats your choice. Others choose to use their own while dipping out of others.

The comment to ignore Desolation as its no longer an EU server is also a pretty unreasonable statement when your talking about a small window of time and relatively small window. Your also blaming one relatively small guild in the grand scheme of games (but a notable one) for all of your concerns. Thats when you often see an equal number of french nightcapping and then also 2 v 1 thru the day.

Some people take time to do their reading as far as I know MCM or a large french guild stopped playing which is why your here now.

Why should you be given special treatment every server reaching the top had to recruit from outside to make it happen but you think your special in that respect? If thats the case then Anet would need to restrict players to a particular window and probably drop out the third party to stop same language servers teaming up unfairly on the third with no coverage in the downtime. Oh but some servers night capped to the top so I wonder how that one would pan out.

The system could work on a whole its just a few servers choosing not to work with it. VS hasnt even lost yet.

eiennnoai.9870:

Why would English dictate the rules of a game and also the way the winning side is going to ? Germany and France have huge communities and they’re the most dedicated one at that as we can see with nightcapping mobilization and other kind of tough organization no other server was able to do. They have more than a right to be able to compete about anything else, what they’ve been doing all those past week.

Why are you trying to put rules like “hey english NEED to be winning or this isn’t a game” ? That’s exactly how this story feels like. EU isn’t NA, and EU shouldn’t become NA, since it’s tagged EU anyway.

I agree with Romek, and other people in another similar thread. There are solutions which can keep the current configuration, why changing them ? Except if you want to remove OVER half of EU players because they’re big enough to resist your English conquista (all german, french and SP servers have high pop or more, and they’re 13/27 EU servers) ?

So you have 2 v 1 you have large night capping what exactly is your problem then? because it strikes me on the whole as biggotry or an offort to do just that. Dictate what others do in life. There were just as many french players hammering Desolation last night if not more than our side. Its either one way or another it seems to me that a minority not a majority want it all their own way.

I don’t know how much more politely to put it other than sheer arrogance. when you claim to have everything but then come here crying when it isnt working out or others use the same tactics. Seems like one rule for you and another for the rest of us.

Not everyone in a guild has to speak a native language either just like other places in life one person can be used as a translator to also relay information.

Sure, you right, but people are scared by the english and will say : we’re on a FR servs, French only.

Well imma give you a little story, I played other MMO on international servs. You know what ? I was the ONLY french there.

A relay is a pretty good idea, but you know… When you need to change something in France it takes…. 10 yrs …

There are 4 servers that are native french 2 of which are at the top and use 2 v 1 to stay there from what I have seen this week. When they come out in force each single server does well..it merely takes the effort and the top slot should rightfully be awarded to those putting in that effort.

I have been playing games in the euro brackets for a long time and also live in the EU as a few other Ruin members do. That guild is not as large as some are making it out to be in terms of active players and actually tailored to allow casual players the chance to get on and play with a winning side without loosing sleep or being irresponsible about real life commitments.

Desolation worked as a server with many guilds not just one. They joined each otehrs TS channels and puttting some thought into the matchup. They worked as a group not one single guild. Iron put just as much effort into the match as Ruin do and every other guild liasing.

I don’t understand how 2 servers that sometimes consciously and other times through reading a map hammer one side and feel hard done by in that. To sit there also and make smug comments about being the best and 2 v 1 being a valid counter to a night cap. Then come here crying when its not asking for changes to be made so they can remain at the top. Thats what this is about really because win or loose i think the population of Desolation would be happy with just a good result this week.

Try playing against 2 servers at once its challenging but fun and most arent here complaining about it they accept it and get on with it. Why can’t others do the same and realize the huge advantage they actually have.

Because they want to win at any cost it seems to me even if it impacts others players choices in life. They have choices also. One guild of 80-100 active players shouldn’t be held responsible for 2 entire servers failing to get it together. Or change an entire game for a minority not a majority.

Please can moderators do something about the comments that are being allowed to fly here by particular servers. There are 4 native french servers from what I can see and some people are having a blast playing a game that spans the world and being allowed to have that choice.

The servers complaining have every ability to win if they used their wits a bit. 4 french speaking servers and its not an option for hardcore pvp guilds to switch to just one?…Theres not enough french players? I see 4 servers representing the flag and germany are in the same boat they just get on with it though.

People complaining have options and a huge number of available players from what I see. They should work on their servers in the same manner as others have done. You mean to tell me not one person in those guilds speaks english or is capable of acting as a relay to forge something better and bridge a language barrier?

Not everyone in a guild has to speak a native language either just like other places in life one person can be used as a translator to also relay information.

This is a great game Just getting a bit tired of seeing certain people wanting a one sided battle all their own way and on thier terms. Then being allowed to troll certain guilds and people for actually making a real effort as they should be.

I see all the points made but I also see answers to the bulk of the problems certain people are complaining about in an effort to tailor the game to their advantage.

TY Anet and any civil player on any server.

Glor Go read the score right now during your day time unless you 2 v 1 us yes we do have what it takes to go heads up and the scores all the evidence supports it. We even broke ground when we were outmanned at times which speaks volumes about the reality of how good you actually are. Legend in your own mind bit much perhaps?

Glor.2485:

Natureswarden.5102:

Toubzsky.6087:

Natureswarden.5102:

Thats really just very sad you had your counter to the night cap (which is very debatable btw because many nights I saw it evenly matched).

Evenly matched yeah …

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/15

You’re so good that you can have 600 points against the same number at night, but you’re not as good in day time ?

Stop the joke please.

Again I read a smug comment in the otehr thread when you guys were winning about 2 v 1 being a valid that to counter it. You also rode night cap that to the top.

Thats life you used it to get wins in but now its clearly showing how good your servers are when they fight alone. You still have the option to 2 v 1 you can’t blame anyone but yourselves here.

Ever considered its why Anet made it WvWvW to counter a night cap?. So I guess Anet should be blamed for giving people with some sense credit in life? Thats the real joke. Its not everyone elses fault you can’t work together and I could throw some other choice words out there I won’ though.

Desolation worked hard and held ground against you both at the same time thats what you can’t stand. Blame yourselves not the world at large.

Desolation get trounced 1v1v1 when the maps are full, you can see that everyday, so stop BSing. Desolation has not worked hard, it just happens to have much more people over the course of the day. VZ had to put immense and formidable efforts to counter night capping from US players, i don’t think you can even start to grasp what it takes to put nightshifts in place, that is skill and organisation, something Desolation never showed and will never show unfortunately for them.

Props to VZ for being the most organised and having the most dedicated players in the world.

Unfortunately the scores speak very differently and they are real not some outlandish comment XD look go read them? VZ also night capped to the top now after one match up with max 80-100 US plaers WORKING WITH just as many EU players they are ready to give up. You tell me why with that commitment you deserve a T1 slot? One valid argument other than anything at all that has a counter to it and many of which you have tried

How long did other servers put up with you night capping and still came back to fight over and over? Shouldn’t they be the ones given a chance and considered truly dedicated?

Toubzsky.6087:

Natureswarden.5102:

Thats really just very sad you had your counter to the night cap (which is very debatable btw because many nights I saw it evenly matched).

Evenly matched yeah …

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/15

You’re so good that you can have 600 points against the same number at night, but you’re not as good in day time ?

Stop the joke please.

Again I read a smug comment in the otehr thread when you guys were winning about 2 v 1 being a valid tact to counter it. You also rode night cap to the top.

Thats life you used it to get wins in but now its clearly showing how good your servers are when they fight alone. You still have the option to 2 v 1 you can’t blame anyone but yourselves here.

Ever considered its why Anet made it WvWvW to counter a night cap?. So I guess Anet should be blamed for giving people with some sense credit in life? Thats the real joke. Its not everyone elses fault you can’t work together and I could throw some other choice words out there I won’ though.

Desolation worked hard and held ground against you both at the same time thats what you can’t stand. Blame yourselves not the world at large.

ladyfabulous.1403:

I give up, greetings to Elona,Fs and even IRON despite the fact that some kittensuckers ruin the matchup it could/should have been a great week.

Thats really just very sad you had your counter to the night cap (which is very debatable btw because many nights I saw it evenly matched) in the 2 v 1 its noones fault but your own you couldnt pull it together and work as intended.

You night capped your way to the top and after a weeek of the same treatment and in answer to it your ready to just give up. Thhne you sit insulting people and hurling abuse.Really sad.

I wish the other thread was still open so I could quote every VS and AS player claiming to be the best most dedicated WvW. There are very valid answers and comebacks in this game to the spot you backed yourselves into. Its wether your strong enough to take those opportunities and run with them just like anyone in life. Don’t blame anet or some imaginary force you have no real idea bout for that. Place the blame where it belongs.

Lets face it the only reason your mad is cause your not winning. Thats not real life everyday for most people and ones who manipulate it to be that way often have it crash down at some point. What were you expecting to roll out the arrogant cart forever claiming to be the best and not have an answer back? Clearly your not the best and clearly you can’t even work togetether to manage it. Scores speak loudly.

Goodluck hope you guys get it together soon. Bring it harder.

Dawg.5376:

Natureswarden.5102 seems to be the kitten here, he must be some kind of pro gamer to be so condescendent with VS and AS.

I bet he brags about being on deso at work or when he meets new people "So yeah, you know. I am a desolation player, yeah we kind of hold our ground even in 2v1, yeah it’s pretty kitten "shrug"".

Get of your horse and acknowledge that if you “hold your ground” it’s mainly because AS is tired and has no night force and Vizunah has to wake up and spread the WvW population during the whole 24 day to keep up.

AS is tired for a reason they got broke. If they had been winning they would have been here rejoicing. Theres no horse to ride out on buddy only cold hard facts. lol some of us do have some work to do yeah your right so rather than join your sandpit il go focus on WHAT I CAN DO IN LIFE xd. Learn the lesson. I have no insults to sling your not really worthy of it.

Why are the servers open for transfer as a whole then? Who decided you got to decide for Ruin?.. What about a team wanting superior pvp? Give yourselves some credit as a whole the european bracket is higher in caliber. On the whole again at least Ruin are giving valid responses and some credit to you side. I haven#‘t seen one nice comment back in return? Any wonder why people wouldn’t want to go to a place like that. Reeks of broken to me sorry to pitch that out there. You guys should show some sportsmanship and accept even as 2 during the day to get the points back you can’t break Desolation. So on that basis yeah we deserve the ranking.

I have to say also your night cap argument holds no water a few days ago it was smuggly posted up by someone it was a great and valid tact to counter night capping. Its not our fault you guys can’t get along. You do have the option to condense also. And Ruin are nowhere as big as you seem to think. You have just been outplayed accept it pick your yourselves up and bring it harder thats what we want. Good pvp not cheap tricks.

Desolation have been kicked from both sides yesterday in EB for hours we were hammered at both end. Yet still we hold our ground and give up few points. As two sides dring a day time I am sorry but its not our fault you can’t wipe us off the map.
I havent seen either one of your sides hold up to a 2 v 1 the way we have so yeah I think we got our stuff together still have things to learn but thats what any good player wants. Progression otherwise a game becomes boring.

Start remebering its a game and have fun with it. Find answers not unfounded bigotry that holds no water. Read the posts well you can’t now the other thread got canned but at least half a dozen Ruin memebrs credited your sides in one way or another at some point. All you can do is bash on them and slander that guilds name.

Show some fighting spirit and spotrsmanship for a change

Kayato.9178:

It’s really hard for Desolation player to accept that we only have European player on Vizunah

I hope Anet will merge both ladder if we play on international server.

What I have been told is you guys nightcapped your way to the top and of 2 servers surely you have enough between the two of you to put some night crew together or show the rest of the world some of your own out of the box thinking to draw the appropriate guilds to your server. People like solutions and I can’s in life not oh I give up and its unfair.

Was it not unfair when you nightcapped your way to the top or is that all just a distant memory? Treat people as you would be treated life bounces back on you and don’t dish out what you expect not to recieve in these games.

Desolation actually worked on their server as a whole and used some out of the box thinking. That is part of any rl battle for a successful side. Try actually working on your servers as a whole rather than expecting it to drop into your lap off the back of a few cheap one pony show tricks.

Its pretty easy to kick people from both sides distract them and tear them apart and you haven’t seen ruin cry over it simply mention its been used. We accept it and to be frank we were expecting allot more of a fight especially considering its been employed.

Work on your servers as a whole but I have seen far more flexible attitudes and better play out of arborstone. Its kind of sad to see what could be a good side used so badly. I would build up arbor if I had any say because their level of play is 100 times better than Vizunah’s and they seem open to trying new things.

Hedon.7580:

Seems like Deso will win this week ….. we can’t sustain such playtime for long .
I saw comanders staying for 12 hours but fatigue appears ; AS already gave up and VS will follow.
Sorry for the US people who wanted “challenge” during our nightime , i hope that our doors and NPC will give you hard time.
So…. gratz Deso , you deserve rank 1 according to Anet’s rules.

Cordialy,
a random player from Vizunah.

I love this post just a few days ago I was reading how people will do thier talk out on the battlefield etc and thats what its really about.

Yeah Desolation does deserve the ranking we have been 2 v 1 a large part of this matchup wether you choose to acknowledge an alliance or not. I say this because heads up even numbers we can crush either one of you man for man in most battles. Thats when we arent being kicked by two sides from both angles. Even then we hold our ground. It takes 2 servers to hold one back. Not even the right one is loosing either.

Arborstone need to wake up I have seen some outstanding tacts from them. How on earth were you guys pigeon holded into doing Vizunahs dirty work. How many times will you fall for what they seem to be selling you before it dawns on you of the two you are a far better server in terms of caliber. Vizunah seems extremely weak to me you can melt thru their players like butter and they run away from anything but an outnumbered match which they still often loose XD.

I have also seen it spun this is Ruins fault. So tired of hearing that and all the hate spread/defeastist attitudes etc. So I have to ask is it our fault you can’t attract other people to your server? And with attitudes like I am seeing is it any wonder.

I have an idea for you both to get the numbers you want. Condense into one? you seem to enjoy tag teaming people anyway wether it was for a day or a week who really cares. But that solves your problem and continual picking at other servers for employing tacts that carried you guys to auto win on T1. Now you don’t like being on the recieving end? Welcome to real life you win some you loose some.

Stop abusing players from Deso for using the exact tacts you usedto autowin and condense that solves your argument on numbers. But I am guessing you know heads up even as one man for man you still can’t beat |Desolation. Thats the real truth isnt it so who is really exploiting a thing.

Find solutions stop srying about problems.