Guild Wars 2

Gehenna.3625:

DR is a system. Understand the system and work with it or around it. People are just generally impatient and entitled these days.

I am not against having expectations but there is a little word called reasonable.

You don’t need to buy a sword for 150g and if you do feel you need it, you can work the system or take a little longer to get it. People don’t seem to get that you don’t need stuff like that to play this game. Sure, you may want it, but that’s not the same. And you don’t have to be able to get it within a week either.

The DR system was not the most elegant solution. I agree with that. But on the other hand, you can do a lot with rotating events to counter the effects of DR and I don’t think that Anet has to cater to people who spend 5 hours a day doing the same thing over and over again. Bots do that. You wanna be a bot, that’s your choice but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to work around the system. It simply takes not being a bot.

A little intelligence and some patience can go a long way. Soon enough you’ll have your legendary sword…barey a month or two after release…then what?

Your inference that if we don’t like the DR we’re not intelligent is quite bizarre. It doesn’t even have anything to do with patience either. It’s just a really badly thought out idea. There’s no escaping that.

So because it’s a system I have to live with it do I? Ridiculous. I don’t and I won’t. I’ll try to get my money back if they won’t take it out.

The official line they gave was that it’s an anti-bot or anti-RMT measure.

Are you seriously telling me there’s no RMT or Gold Farmer out there who doesn’t know what the DR is and will avoid it? Of course they do. Except now they’re spilling into other areas and content in the game. I see them in DEs. A lot. If you don’t then you’re not in the right areas.

Spam messages and mail are increasing, players in mid-range areas and around DEs are decreasing.

The bottom line is it has made no alteration to the fact bots are still working and plying their trade. They’re just doing it in different ways.

If the official line isn’t to curtail bots, but there’s this altruisitc view from ANet about how we should all play the game the way they dictate us to, well you can keep your game, give me a full refund and I’ll book my ticket out of here right away.

Keep DR in and be prepared to lose the majority of your player base. As Soul said, it’s been tried before and there’s lots of instances I could cite where it destroys games and much bigger titles than GW2.

If it’s in for keeping bots curtailed and it’s not even slightly doing that there’s no reason to maintain it.

There’s plenty of legitimate reasons why you’d want to stay in one area or even kill one type of mob over and over. We shouldn’t have to explain why.

Even a small bit of reading on these very forums will clearly show you the general consensus is that DR is a very bad idea.

The longer it stays in the more cancerous and damaging it’s going to become.

“But give them more time, they’re tweaking it, they’re playing with ideas.”

The concept of botting isn’t a surprise, the game wasn’t in development for a week, it was in development for years, it had an alpha and a beta phase.

A knee-jerk reaction by placing a blanket effect that doesn’t restrict the bots, but restricts the players is shocking.

It’s lazy, cheap and not even doing what it’s supposed to.

Apart from that I’m totally fine with it.

lothefallen.7081:

The combat and skills make the gameplay homogeneous and boring. That’s why people are leaving. There is limited customization, weak progression in traits, and grouping is redundant. The game is just not well designed and it all stems from the removal of instancing in GW1 and the marginalization of group synergy , instituting zerg mechanics for combat. It’s just not mentally engaging.

That’s a really accurate post.

Well said.

I was sold one thing and the reality is another. Amazing what advertising can do to you.

Just hope I’ve learned my lesson with this one.

This forum is mad as a box of frogs.

Oh smilies! Not similies. My bad. Sawwy!

Wiki search “emoticons” and you’ll get all the ‘smilies’ you want from EU/NA and JP areas.

There’s literally hundreds more than the 6 you have there! Have fun on your adventure, I like looking at the JP smilies myself. They’ve very inventive. is JP (japanese by the way.)

Europe and North America write their emoticons on the side, all JP ones are upright.

My personal favourtie is the JP one for a ranger or firing an arrow…

(>^.^)>D >>>————>

I also love the table flip one! It won’t work here, so it’ll leave it out, but I’m sure you’ve seen it or can find it.

EU/NA emoticons look so simplistic in comparison, imo!

Of the conspriacy theories I’ve heard on the internet today someone being employed be ANet’s competition to write anything on this forum is the wackiest of them all and…

Oh wait! They’ve got me too….. help me!

~Conversion taking place.~

~Conversion complete.~

Hi, I’m a plant and I’m here to say negative things about this game as I get paid for it by another company!

Athaulf – Your post is fruit of the loon! Sorry, mate. Just listen to yourself.

ProphetSword.5427:

Because, even though it might be affecting more than the exploiters, it is doing the job that needs to be done to stop the exploiters, which is what’s the most important thing. As far as whether or not it is “unfairly punishing” people is a matter of debate. The few times I encountered it weren’t that big of a deal; because I’m not one to stay and do one thing over and over anyway.

I’m not saying the complaint isn’t legitimate. Just give them time to tweak it and figure out what they want to do with it.

People won’t give them time. You get all the time in the world to devise these ideas and strategies to combat bots, before you release the game. There’s an alpha and a beta you know?

It’s not like they released the game and thought “OMG! There’s bots out there you know! We really should have thought about that! Hold on I have an idea, I call it DR and…”

That didn’t happen. Bots/RMT have been a problem for over 10 years. This was their half-baked half-kittened idea of a fix for it and it’s really showing how bad of an idea it is now.

When it starts to have a real effect on corporate profit. Even a real “projected” effect on money in the company’s eyes, it’ll disappear very very quickly.

It won’t take long for this to happen.

Xericor.9103:

Only hits those who play like the bots

Not true. You inference that I play like a bot is wrong.

It’s very very evident by just doing some reading on the forums that it’s effecting people who aren’t trying to play like bots.

Just because you’re not being affected by your workaround, or logging in and out, doesn’t mean other people aren’t.

I’m telling you they are and that the evidence is all over the forum.

Everyone else is asking themself the same question.

a) It’s to get rid of bots. Is it getting rid of bots? No. They’re increasing and now know to avoid the DR system, so what do they do, they all gate-crash my DE, rendering it useless for me to take part in.

0/10 for implementation and effectiveness.

Or…

b) And some people have actually said this to me in the forums today:
“ANet is trying to get you to change your play style and see more of the map, experience new things and do things their way.”
Give me my money back and force other people to play your way and do what you say. If I wanted to live in North Korea, I’d be booking my flight to Pyongyang instead of investing time and effort in an MMO.

-50,000/10 for making sense and being a normal thing to do.

Either way, it’s the biggest joke to end all jokes and is a potential game-killer.

Ask Square Enix about FFXIV or the makers of Darkfall how well a DR system works. If you can stop them crying into their cereal about how they let the “big one” go.

Diaspro.8529:

Bloodtide Coast area in Fissure of Woe server is invaded by bots. There are partyes of rangers swarmin any mob in the area.
I’m doing what I can reporting them; but, sometimes, I really would like to have a BAN button to use.

Yes, putting the ability to ban other players in the hands of players couldn’t go wrong in any way!

(I know what you said was a joke! I am joking too!)

It’s simple ANet aren’t doing anything about it. I don’t see how an increase in bots, spam messages, spam mails and totally destroying the DEs is “doing something about it.”

If the DR is the thing that’s supposed to be doing something about it, well it’s not. No botter is ever going to say “What? They have a DR system!? Jeez, we’ll never crack that beast. We better sell the company and become advocates of the Salvation Army.”

They adapt, they use their extreme cunning to change.

That’s exhibiting itself by pouring into my DEs right now, which I really LOVE!

The DR is annoying people, driving the player base away and making bots more cunning and ensuring they affect people in more obvious and irritating ways than just putting dents in the economy.

It’ll get worse when the bots start to outweight the player base.

All the messages I see about reported bots with nothing done is unsurprising.

You need dedicated staff and you need to spend money to get rid of bots. You can’t just roll out a blanket system like DR and expect it to work.

It won’t work. It isn’t working. It’s just irritating people, making them want to leave and driving the bots elsewhere.

Nice one!

I don’t see this thread being active for very long. Enjoy it while you can.

No, I haven’t played it. I said it was the buggiest of all I played. It still is.

DR is just exacerbating the bug problems in a massive way.

I don’t mind bugs, really I don’t. I’d be happy to play with them in it.

I don’t mind trolls, greifing, all that smack, I can deal with it.

I’ll never abide with DR or some version of it. It has no place in it, under the guise of bot elimination or whatever.

It was a rubbish idea when it was devised and implemented by other developers in other games and it’s still a rubbish idea now.

It wasn’t even an idea that was introduced from the start. It was an after-thought. A really stupid after-thought.

They said it was to get rid of bots. There’s more bots than ever. It is not working. It’s only serving to irritate their customers in a massive way, which never ends well.

Too long will end up being too late.

I want the game to succeed!

Sadly the implementation of the DR has actually had an adverse effect, just like Kimbald is saying.

All the bots that would be off elsewhere in Tyria doing whatever else would be in no way antagonistic to me, forcing them into my DE is really really annoying me. I can’t play. I just can’t. I hate the over-crowding of bots even on a medium server.

Yes, I changed from a high server to a medium one and it was just as bad.

Making bots more crafty and ingenious is not a good thing. At least if you know what they’re up to you can monitor that area of the game.

If you’re making them adapt and become more ingenious you’re creating all sorts of problems for yourself.

The fact is ANet will have to spend money to properly police the bot problem. They’ll never do that so be prepared to be stuck with it for the rest of the game’s existence.

That’s if the DR really is a method to curb the bot problem. I’ve been told by all and sundry on this forum today that ANet are trying to introduce some form of paradigm shift in gaming with the DR and it’s to “teach” us and “open our eyes” to a new playstyle.

Bollocks. Utter bollocks. If that’s really the case, take my money back and spend your time trying to dictate to other people how they should play your MMO. I want out immediately.

Lmao.

Full, High and Medium. Lmao.

You really think this gives you any kind of real statistical information to be going on? Lmao.

Lots of people have left, are thinking about leaving and how can you ever know what proportion of those Full, High, Medium servers are bots?

I see more bots than people at a lot of my DEs. Mainly as the DR system has forced them there to karma farm.

It’s going to get worse!

Furmaz.

Make it so there’s more items to get, make it much harder. It’s really that simple.

Whatever you do don’t punish players with your war against bots. It’s a really really bad idea. It won’t end well and there’s enough examples we can cite of other developers trying the same tactics and losing their game within months.

DR is badly thought out. You have to spend time and effort to eradicate botting. You’re never going to do it by placing blanket ban on a particular play-style. That’s just a cheap, ineffective measure that will annoy people, which as you can see from the forum, right here, it is annoying people.

People actually like to stay in one area and continually beat on the same mobs for many varying reasons. There’s lots of legitimate reasons for this behaviour. I shouldn’t have to explain them to you.

Being forced to move from a place in a game where I’m supposed to be able to do what I want with my time, within reasonable guidelines and not breaking gaming mechanics, isn’t a nice thing to have done to you.

Farming x of something in one place is not a game-breaking mechanic. It never has and never will be.

Does anyone seriously think the bots controllers have thought, “Oh no! They have DR! Well we won’t try to exploit GW2 anymore.”

Here’s some news for you, it’ll drive them further underground and make them more ingenious at the ways they try to exploit and abuse the game.

In this day and age you have to spend money to get rid of botting. People need to monitor the game and remove them from the game instantly if they really do exhibit the properties of a bot.

The least effective method I can think of for eradicating a bot problem is the DR system.

All the bots on my server are now in the DEs karma farming. I really appreciate this.

The official line given for its implementation is to get rid of bots. If what they’re really telling me is “We think you should play this way. Actually we’re going to force you to play this way.” I don’t ever want people doing this to me. If that’s what they meant they should have come out and said that straight away.

I wouldn’t have wasted my money.

Ragnar Dragonfyre.1806:

@Ronin

Yes, it was put in place to stop bots. But let’s be realistic here. Power players who “enjoy” farming often employ the use of bots to automate the process while they do other things. Oftentimes they are still “active” with the game on another monitor so they can jump in if a GM messages them to check if they’re a bot. Now I’m not accusing you of doing this, but it is the unfortunate truth of the matter.

I’m sorry that your preferred method of play is so similar to that of a robot that the system is stopping you from farming. It sucks, but that’s how it is. ANet is taking steps to tweak the system, but I highly doubt they’ll ever reverse this policy fully.

Remember however, this isn’t a democracy. It’s a video game. Whether you want to call their ruleset dictorial or not is beside the point. It’s their game, their rules and you have to play within them. Like any game, if you don’t like the rules or the game isn’t fun, you can voluntarily stop playing at anytime.

That said, I encourage you to consider altering your playstyle. Travel around the world more, interact with and help other players, be an active member of the community and see where that takes you. The materials you’re trying to farm will come with time. There’s really no need to rush, the game will be around for a long time to come.

You right it’s not a democracy, but there is no political equivalent to what it is, so it’s a redundant comparison.

It’s fine. GW2 and ANet can keep DR, but lose me. They definitely won’t care and I’ll be told “Mind your kitten on the way out!” by people on the forum, I don’t mind that either, it’s commonplace.

DR will bring the game down eventually. Now or later. It’s just a question of time and as I keep saying I’ve watched it happen before and it’s really sad to be on the inside of that experience. It’s really deflating and such an underwhelming experience.

It was even worse with FF for me as I’d been introduced to the franchise as a young child and grew up with it.

I’ve had the pleasure of watching SE destroy and bottom violate that game. They didn’t listen to what people were saying and they are now a massive laughing stock in Japan, when they used to literally be revered over there. I’ve been to Japan quite a few times to know this to be true.

I’ll be genuinely amazed if SE ever put out an FF game again. Why? Their insistence on rolling out punitive DR measures and then their insistence on saying “Nothing’s wrong! You will enjoy the game or go away!” made them fall on their own sword.

I watched that happen. It’ll happen again. Right here and right now.

It can be stopped, but all this talk of “ANet’s always had this philosophy” and “you’ll never make a difference” and basically “shut up” makes me feel sad.

I love the style and potential with this game, it has so much going for it.

“DR should be taken away immediately or down graded severly. It only hurts honest gamers. Does nothing for gold sellers. It’s like gun control laws… they only hurt the law abiding citizen. Criminals don’t get their guns legally, so doesn’t effect them. Same with gold sellers. I cannot think of anything else that is a viable fix. DR is driving players away… not a good thing.”

Something tells me you’re not going to get shot down in flames for saying this. Nice to see someone also articulate this point well.

That’s all I tried to do, but instead I get a barrage of lightweight abuse.

You’re very right and DR is driving players away and it will start to increase exponentially as it always does when there’s some kind of mass exodus away from something.

I have tried to be constructive about the DR system and think of an alternative, but the only thing I can say is take it out. There’s not much that’s constructive about that.

The bugs could occur with much less frequency than they do. It’s got the most bugs in it of any MMO I’ve played.

As you said perfectly, bots will always be there and imposing DR on them just moves them into other places we want bots even less.

The fact is, you can’t deal with bots in a cheap way. DR is just a cheap and lazy way of dealing with the problem. It’s poorly thought out and is far too punitive to us, the players.

I keep trying to say this normally and in the most articulate way I can, but I’m just a vitriolic, rude, aggressive, jerk who deserves to be in the loony bin from what I can ascertain from people in this thread.

Not once in this thread, other than “drama-queen” (which I really did say tongue-in-cheek) have I used derogatory adjectives to desribe anyone here. Not once. Why would I do that?

I’ll take my aggressive, vitriolic, venom-filled, attacking, rude, jerk self elsewhere!

Keep casting aspersions on other people you don’t know if it makes you happy! Just do it with out me around!

Cribbage.2056:

Ronin.8095:

Then sorry, but you don’t know what vitriol is. You can’t. I’ve been reasonable and stable all throughout this conversation.

You see, you do it again and don’t even realise you’re doing it now.

I’m unpleasant how? You’re just saying I’m unpleasant as you’ve made your mind up that I am. I haven’t exhibited the properties of unpleasantness. Unless you’d kindly point out where this vitriol and unpleasantness is.

Can’t you see the irony in saying “Being a jerk about it” when I’ve said or done nothing of the sort to anyone else.

That made me laugh out loud when I read that.

You want to stop me from being a jerk by calling me a jerk? It’s that’s what happening now?

You want me to stop name calling (which I haven’t done yet) by name-calling yourself?

Think about what you’re saying there. It makes little sense and you contradict yourself almost all the way through what you’ve said.

You may think it’s unpleasant if you personally don’t like what I say. That doesn’t mean it is unpleasant. You may think I’m a jerk too, that doesn’t make me a jerk.

You calling me a jerk makes you a jerk, that is a trueism and therein lies the problem.

It’s called a forum, where other people are allowed to express an opinion. At no point have I said other people’s opinions are wrong, I’ve definitely never said they’re unpleasant, negative, or called them a jerk, even if I think that’s the case.

That is being rude and vitriolic in my book.

Interesting post there.

I think you are unpleasant, because you use too much agression in your posts. You did it in this one even.

I can see from what you write that you either don’t understand that yourself or you are currently feeling a bit defensive and therefore not letting yourself see it.

Neither of those things stops it being true. And it won’t matter how much you up the agression levels, how much you attack people, or how personal you get – you can’t stop things being true by shouting at them.

Feel free to have the last word on this one, because I won’t be posting about it again. It’s not good for forums to have this kind of discussion going on.

No, no.

You replacing the word vitriol or unpleasant now with aggression instead doesn’t make it any more true. In fact, it’s not true at all. You’ve just made up these facts that I am these things you say, even being rude and aggressive to me in the process.

Therein lies the irony and you can’t see that. It’s a shame.

Disagreeing with someone is not being aggressive. That’s a ridiculous thing to say.

Jeez, if you think this is aggressive, I’d hate to see you when really vitriolic and aggressive people are actually around.

Towards you personally, I’ve been polite, cordial and balanced. I don’t know you, I can’t know you. Why would I ever be rude to you?

I cannot say, even within your last few posts that you’ve extended the same courtesy to me. Thanks.

I explained that I took umbrage to the way you tried to pigeon-hole the kind of person I am without knowing me. I’ve said that a few times now in calm and reasonable ways.

You seem not to be able to take this on board at all.

Heaven help you when you really get some negativity, vitriol and aggression thrown your way!

It’s hard to continue a conversation with people who are so presumptive, actually it’s nigh on impossible, so I won’t even bother!

MrThebigcheese.2014:

tolunart.2095:

Eh, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and figured you were getting all riled up because you care about the game. Obviously you’re the other sort.

You are coming off as absolutely desperate to convince yourself anyone with criticism is somehow at fault.

It’s both sad and funny at the same time.

You see this^

This is the reality.

Then sorry, but you don’t know what vitriol is. You can’t. I’ve been reasonable and stable all throughout this conversation.

You see, you do it again and don’t even realise you’re doing it now.

I’m unpleasant how? You’re just saying I’m unpleasant as you’ve made your mind up that I am. I haven’t exhibited the properties of unpleasantness. Unless you’d kindly point out where this vitriol and unpleasantness is.

Can’t you see the irony in saying “Being a jerk about it” when I’ve said or done nothing of the sort to anyone else.

That made me laugh out loud when I read that.

You want to stop me from being a jerk by calling me a jerk? It’s that what happening now?

You want me to stop name calling (which I haven’t done yet) by name-calling yourself?

Think about what you’re saying there. It makes little sense and you contradict yourself almost all the way through what you’ve said.

You may think it’s unpleasant if you personally don’t like what I say. That doesn’t mean it is unpleasant. You may think I’m a jerk too, that doesn’t make me a jerk.

You calling me a jerk makes you a jerk, that is a trueism and therein lies the problem.

It’s called a forum, where other people are allowed to express an opinion. At no point have I said other people’s opinions are wrong, I’ve definitely never said they’re unpleasant, negative, or called them a jerk, even if I think that’s the case.

That is being rude and vitriolic in my book. Don’t undermine your argument by purposefully or inadvertently being the things you accuse someone else of being.

Especially when they’ve been polite to you and tried to handle themself with decorum. As I genuinely have. I want to be treated as other people treat me.

I’m not being treated with any kind of equal respect here and told I’m this kind of person, who’s now a jerk, is unpleasant and negative.

All because I hate DR and want to shout about it!

Hmmm.

tolunart.2095:

Ronin.8095:

Oh and ythat you’re omniscient, apparently. Seeing as you know me, my personality, my gaming habits, my chips on my shoulders and everything else about me. Amazing talent you’ve acquired there. How do I get to be so all-knowing too?

Live a few more years. I used to be just like you. You need seasoning.

Seriously. Ten years ago I was posting to other sites’ forums, raging because people wouldn’t step up to fix the glaring problems with whatever I was interested in at the time. I had all the answers and no one wanted to hear them. Eventually you learn that it’s just not possible to MAKE people see what is right in front of them, so you either kill yourself trying or accept it. I accept it.

Dude, I’m not raging. I’m laughing my kitten off! Really I am. You’ve totally gone off on the wrong angle here.

I don’t really know why.

Listen, I’ve said I don’t want people making baseless assumptions about other people as they have no right to. That’s a fair point to make. That’s a very common theme in forums.

I’ll talk about the DR to my heart’s content. Nothing you can say will stop me and all your nicely-nicely older brother chat is just coming over as creepy now and massively condescending.

If you want to have that kind of conversation with me, tell me how old you are first and then let me decide if I want to take forum and/or gaming advice from you.

I’m not irate, you seem to think I am. I’m having a beer, having a special type of cigarette and getting ready to watch the football highlights when they’re on TV later.

What I choose to do in the interim, even if it’s talk about DR until it drives me insane is my choice.

I won’t be told I’m this or that kind of person in the process. I don’t do it to other people, why do you guys have the right to do that to me? I’m just asking. It’s a valid point.

tolunart.2095:

Oh, Ronin, I think I remember you mentioning you were 33 yrs old… I’m a bit older than you, so you might want to take my advice and dial back the venom a little. It will do nothing but lead to an early heart attack. Just some friendly advice, young one.

I don’t want your advice. Even if it is friendly. Thanks, but it’s totally unrequited. When I do need advice, it won’t be from an anonymous forum warrior I don’t know from Adam. I can assure you. I know much wiser people to answer my more personal problems.

The game I’m playing really isn’t one and I’ll be on a real beach tomorrow for some clam digging, which I’ll cook and eat later. My heart’s really looking forward to that.

Older or younger, I don’t see the relevance here and nor do I see venom. Venom where exactly? Venom as I share a different opinion about you to a game? I dont seem to recall resorting to name calling (drama queen is not name-calling if you’re actually being a drama queen!), I’m not agitated or swearing. You mean vitriol? Nope, not doing that either. Either you don’t know what venom means, or you do and you’re not using it in the right way on purpose. I can’t make out which.

I just won’t have some kind of gamer-psych evaluation done on me by you and people like you and then told with some authoratative tone that I’m “x” kind of person. You don’t know me. You can’t know me.

It’s rubbish. Total rubbish.

I’m not trying to belittle or ridicule your gaming habits, I’m talking about the game and it’s perceived flaws from my perspective and getting told to leave in the process. I don’t think it’s me who needs to dial back anything.

Dial back yourselves.

Well obviously I said hundred of your posts on purpose. If you can’t see that then that’s not my problem at all.

Which chip on my shoulder, please explain… I’d love to know.

You’re saying I’m this type of gamer, this type of person, with this type of attitude. I’ve not said anything like about you at any point, as there’s no possible way I could know.

I can’t know anything about you, other than the fact that you exaggerate in your posts.

Oh and ythat you’re omniscient, apparently. Seeing as you know me, my personality, my gaming habits, my chips on my shoulders and everything else about me. Amazing talent you’ve acquired there. How do I get to be so all-knowing too?

lagrangeify.5641:

Vorch.2985:

This is my theory, but I could be entirely wrong:

GW2 has no sub.

When people get tired of sub games, they have to stop playing. If they don’t, they will be charged for the next 30 days.

If GW2 is on the computer of someone who gets tired of a sub-based game, they are, imo, going to log in for a little bit. It is between the release of a competitor and the rejoining of a member of the community that ANet needs to put out new content or new patches. That keeps people who come back feeling like there is something fresh.

GW2 will do swimmingly with it’s model. IMO, the only two MMOs that can justify a sub anymore are WoW (idk why people still play it) and Rift (hate or love the game, mad props to Trion for actually giving a crap about their players).

That’s the best rational guess of the thread and probably the most likely to be accurate.

People will continue to buy GW2 simply because it most resembles their general game buying habit of a one off purchase with no strings. Many of you seem to be almost discounting just how powerful an inducement that is – a game that offers much of what encompasses the MMO genre for nothing more than the initial cost.

And many of them are going to be more than happy with what they find. GW1 did extremely well against all expectations with (imo) much less to offer besides an initially weak instanced pve campaign that served as little more than a front end for the pvp. I’d be extremely surprised if GW2 did not achieve at least comparable success with the added improvements in both pve and pvp. It’s a no brainer.

Meanwhile, the same old listless crowd of MMO gypsies will continue to wander aimlessly from one launch to the next, haunting forums with their woes. They’re not a breed of player that was around when I first started playing these games, but we get to hear from them constantly. Frankly, if they all go somewhere else I won’t miss them. And GW2 will still be fine.

It won’t be fine. You know it won’t be fine. That’s why you’re here, trying to convince yourself mostly, that it will.
Keep telling us to leave, it really helps. It’s nice and welcoming. You won’t alientate yourself and the game that way at all!
Lolgypsies. Can you be any more speculative and rude at the same time? You know nothing of anyone’s gaming habits on these forums. Stop pretending you do.

Oh, did I mention DR is killing the game?

Just because your post doesn’t mention does it not mean it’s a phrase that cannot be mentioned.

You want a world where forums say only what you want to say, that’s fine. Have that world and be lonely.

You know nothing about me. Stop making wildly wrong speculative guesses about what type of gamer I am and what I will enjoy and what I should do with my time.

I can’t stand people like that. I leave everyone else alone. I don’t deride what type of person or player other people are in any of my posts. I just say I don’t like DR, bugs and bots. That’s all. I’ve repeated myself. It’s a kittening forum. Get used to it.

Effectively, you’re saying leave GW2 as there’s some rubbish out there will entertain me until the next rubbish comes along and I suddenly say “Oh shiny! Shiny good!” and then jump ship and keep doing that ad infinitum.

Thanks for that baseless assessment! That’s not the kind of person I am at all. So thanks for tarring me with some stupid brush you have there. Nice one. I’m loyal to developers if they make a product that’s worth the money I spent. This isn’t. Not even slightly. The DR is the main problem. I’m allowed to talk about it in a general forum.

I haven’t made one thread about it thus far. Your post here is really making me reconsider that. It could get a whole lot worse if you don’t like seeing the words or phrase DR.

Your attitude of telling people to leave isn’t going to endear the GW2 community to me, not in the slightest.

Thanks for telling me to Foxtrot Oscar, I might just do that if you’re the kind of person that is representative of GW and the franchise.

Every thread? It’s about 5 of 1000’s which is less than .005%. Stop being an exaggarating drama queen.

I don’t complain about all the hundreds of posts you make repeating yourself, if you want me to do so, it’s not going to be hard to collate them all and put them in a thread for you to see.

I’ll say what I want about the DR, where I want until I’m ready to stop and telling me not to will encourage me to do it more!

Telegraph.7509:

Here is something – if the DR system was in place at launch, and the devs made it clear that it would be a permanent part of the game, would you have purchased the game?

No. Not at all.

I came slightly late to the whole GW2 party anyway and did a lot of watching of videos and advertising, trying to make up my mind.

There was no mention of DR at any point when I was doing research on the game. It was very well hidden. If there were it would have rung large alarm bells as I’ve been in another game that implemented it after release and it destroyed that game. I don’t want it to happen again.

Now I’ve find out DR does exist and doesn’t even have a slight effect on reducing the amount of bots; I’m stopping playing until it’s gone and I would encourage others to do the same.

Your voice almost definitely won’t get heard through a forum, but you can definitely act with your account and not using it to log in with.

That’s the only thing I can do, so I’m going to do it.

I have every right to do this. I think DR is not only folly, but quite a dangerous thing for an MMO to be playing with. They’ll get burned!

Cribbage. It’s my right to be a zombie farmer if that’s what I want to do. Your perception of how you think I want to farm and the reality are two very different things.

Stop telling me how to play a game when I’m not telling you how to do the same thing. It’s exactly this that’s the problem.

You think you know what’s good for me and what I should be getting out of the game. You don’t and stop pretending you do.

What I want to do isn’t game breaking, isn’t outside of game mechanics and it makes me happy to play that way. I have my own reasons for wanting to stay in one area, for hours if needs be. I shouldn’t have to explain them to anyone.

Back up the devs with this DR all you want, it’s not healthy for the game and has been tried before in lots of different incarnations and has failed every time. In many instances DR was taken out too late and the ship had already sunk.

It’s going to happen if it isn’t taken out, it’s just a question of when.

It’s becoming a boring and repetitive argument to have, which is a shame as the forum has been fun and now it’s boring and repetitive – just like the game I don’t want to play.

The DR’s going to kill the game. It’ll have to be taken out. It won’t survive the way it is right now.

That’s just a cast iron fact.

Have fun debating all the intricacies of it. I can’t really be bothered anymore.

Ragnar Dragonfyre.1806:

ANet doesn’t want you to sit in one spot and farm all day. They’re trying to forcibly break us of that aged concept. Personally, I don’t see the problem with it. Then again, I never enjoyed farming one spot for hours on end in the first place. It’s the reason why I didn’t jump over to EQ from UO back in the day.

It may have worked 13 years ago for EverQuest back in 1999, but things have changed. ANet isn’t trying to punish you, they’re trying to get you to actually play their game. Some players just see it as an attack against their “way of life” and it is in a way I suppose.

However, if you actually embrace this change you might find yourself enjoying the game a lot more. Sitting in one spot and farming ad naseum is incredibly dull. I don’t know why anyone would want to do it, period. It’s not fun.

I embrage change and encourage it often.

I’ve seen most of what the game has to offer. I have my map completion. I’ve done dungeons. Their novelty wears off really fast. I’ve done WvWvW. 2 hours wait? You’re joking right?

This isn’t a change that has our interests at heart. Not in any way. It’s a self-serving change that is an attempt to stop botting an exploiting resources, mobs, etc.

The only people it has affected is legitimate gamers.

It is not your concern what my reasons are for wanting to do something you perceive as mindless. It is not for you to dictate to me what is fun or not. That will never be the case.

You also seem to forget it wasn’t in place originally. It’s a new addition, the DR.

If you’re trying to tell me that these implementations are for me to stop “not having fun” and to force me to do something else “to have fun”. I’d really appreciate you and ANet stop telling me how to have fun. How about I make that decision for me, OK?

That is dictating and that’s what I’m talking about.

Except "fun"is not the reason these measures exist. They’re there to tackle botting. That’s the official line. DR is to stop botting. It’s not some paradigm shift in gaming mentality, so stop trying to paint it as that. It’s an inaccurate picture. They did this to try to stop people manipulating the game. Period.

The bots have moved. They’re still there. They’re in DEs and make it a really fun-less experience. If you profess to be in the game as much as you say, you’d see this.

It hasn’t stopped the problem it’s intended to resolve, it’s just annoyed a lot of players. Read the forums. The voices against are really really numerous and loud.

By all means, you play in this new style. I’m happy that you like it and I don’t think you’re silly or wrong for wanting to play that way. I respect your right to play however you want to.

It’s that point I’m trying to hammer home. There is no equivalent for me. I have to play your way or not at all. Otherwise, I’m strange or lack “fun”. I can assure you I might be strange but I do know how to have fun and certainly won’t have people tell me how to have it.

That’s not compromise. It’s dictatorial.

Well, I appreciate and can understand most of what you say, even if I don’t agree with you either. I’ll defend your right to say this to the death!

That’s the problems with opinions, they’re like kitten holes, everyone has one!

Maybe I got the wrong end of the stick then about GW2. Either way I don’t like it.

I’m no fly-by-night Chicken Little, I’m loyal to a game if I enjoy it. I played one title exclusively for 7 years.

You’re basically inferring that most of the problem lies with me and not the game and that GW as a title has been this way since time immemorial and shouldn’t have to change. Rubbish. It’s not me. It’s the game. It should have to change. It’s reluctance to change will be its downfall.

For all the shiny shiny advertising and fanfare, it has little substance, little to make you want to come back and it definitely won’t make me a convert in its current incarnation.

I don’t want the game to be more like anything else. I’m not even slightly suggesting that. I want it to stop being punitive to me. You say it’s not a punishment. That’s not your decision to make on my behalf.

I am caught, as a player, in a crossfire between the devs and the bots. The DR isn’t affecting bots, they’ve moved, they’re doing other things. I’ve been playing the game and I’ll argue the devs haven’t been monitoring it. Not to any extent.

I don’t want to have the measures they roll out against bots ruin the game for me.

GW2 isn’t what it advertises itself as and it’s quite a large disappointment.

A week 1-80 XP curve? That’s even with moderate play time. Really!? That’s not sustainable.

Let alone all the other glaring other problems.

It’s a mess. That’s genuinely my opinion.

gurugeorge.9857:

I don’t have any objection at all to people doing the same thing again and again and again and again in order to get into a pleasant trance state (e.g. to unwind after work). I do that myself sometimes.

What I do find peculiar is when people expect to be well rewarded for that style of gameplay.

I don’t expect to be rewarded for it. I expect to be able to do it.

My reward will come when I have thousands of an item to use. I could sell it. Craft it. Use it for a legendary.

What happens when a quest comes along that requires you to find an item with a low drop rate?

That’s a really common theme in MMOs for lots of quests. You’ve got to go out, kill x hundred mobs and eventually your item will drop and you can continue your quest.

That isn’t going to work here. I can’t wait until they try and see the glaring error they’ve made.

Basically, we the innocent, legitimate players have been caught in a battle with the devs and the bots. We get all the rubbish and bad ideas dumped on us.

The measures they employ just move the bots elsewhere and they normally move them right in my face. Like in the DEs right now.

Yeah, it worked – bots don’t farm. They do other things now which are more off-putting and annoying than before.

What’ll happen next is that the dev team will implement more measures to curtail the new behaviour of bots, and this will have even more damaging effects on the genuine player community.

It was a really poorly thought-out strategy and I just know they won’t back down from it. It’s a common theme for development companies.

Change will only come when money starts to dry up and seeing as they only really care about maxing a box sale with this business model (for an MMO!?) it won’t be noticed 1 month after the game.

Sorry, but there’s too much in this games that punishes the players in an aggressive way. It’s not a welcoming environment to play in.

It’s a nanny-state, chiding, dictatorial environment.

North Korea, if it were an MMO, would be like GW2 right now. (Massive exaggeration, but there’s a kernel of truth.)

knightblaster.8027:

GW2 wasn’t meant to be played for months and months and months. It’s been acknowledged by Anet that they fully expect people to finish and then leave and then maybe come back later for new content or expansions or what have you. So, sure, people are leaving, and people will continue to leave — working as expected, really. It isn’t a game that is dependent on subs, and as you can tell from what they put in the CS, it isn’t dependent on that either. It’s an overwhelmingly box sale centric business model. So, yes, people will leave when they are done, or are bored, or don’t like this or that. That’s an expected thing — unlike SWTOR, which expected millions of subs on a stabilized basis.

A box-sale centric business model for a Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game is a really really bad idea at conception.

It’s actually quite stupid. There’s no incentive for the development team to tend to the game or even give the slightest kitten about it.

It puts the focus on selling the box and making the idea and advertising for the game as glossy as possible, but not continuing content after that. What’s the point?

At least I know of say, EVE or other subs I’ve paid that it is this money that keeps the development team pushing for better gameplay for me. It makes them cater to my needs as a gamer, which is exactly how it should be.

Here, I’ve got stuck in the crossfire in a losing battle against some bots, that’s going to take the game down.

As you say, it’s a box-oriented business model. You get my money when I’m in the door and then I either like it or go away after that!? That’s the deal here?

Yeah, good luck with that business model for a fluid MMO, which this officially advertises itself as.

It’s dead in the water if it’s only about box sales and saddens me to learn that.

Apos.5184:

UndeadRufus.6832:

Soulwatcher.2604:

Undead if you want to see a dead f2p game look no further then D3! Like I said just because a game is free doesn’t mean people will keep playing;

You said games start to die in a month without catering to a list of nebulously-defined demands. I asked what you base this on, and you gave the “example” of SWTOR (which we can dismiss for my stated reasons).

You said to look at the level 1-70 areas to see the ghost town GW2 is becoming. I replied that I have spent nearly all of my in-game time in those areas, and I don’t observe any such thing.

So now you’re invoking D3? Really?

I never said people would play a game just because it’s free. Nobody here has said that, as far as I can recall. Why do you find it necessary to continue countering a position that no one has actually taken?

Actually, D3 is the perfect example of the fate a game has when the developers decide to invoke how its playerbase should play the game.

Not only was the drop rates crap on their own, but the developers decided that they wanted their playerbase to kill the rare/elite packs instead of bosses in order to get decent loot. Packs that had random affixes and were insanely hard,oftenly one shotting people.

Then the playerbase abandoned the game. A lot of the playerbase. And they never returned, even when they reduced the difficulty of these packs.

See the pattern? Some mistakes are better fixed back, otherwise they are not reversed easily, if at all.

Except D3 was an ARPG and was really played as a stand alone by the majority of its populace. People did team up, but the average player would play alone.

It had the totally insane DRM which also exacerbated its problems.

This, this mess here, is an MMO. That makes me laugh. Out loud.

How on Earth it intends to survive with DR, the incessant bugs (it’s not teething problems, sorry) and the increasing and increasinly aggressive bots, I have no idea.

It’s like they sat around a table and devised the anti-MMO. They took every bad aspect and concept and made sure they were in this game.

DR does not stop the bots, it moves them elsewhere and stop us.

That’s the truth.

The current drop isn’t owing to MoP.

I’ve never played WoW in my life and never intend to as I don’t socialize with children in RL, so I have no propensity to do it online.

I am leaving until these things are fixed:

1. Bugs. An odd bug is understandable, excusable even when it’s quickly and quietly cleared up. Scripting and coding is done by humans who make mistakes. We get that.

The amount and frequency of bugs that appear in this game outweigh anything I’ve seen.

It’s just not acceptable after spent millions on R&D, alpha and beta stages and coming from a big name developer. I won’t take this type of lackadasical attitude.

2. Bots will exist forever. They can make real money from the game. You’ll never change the moral standpoint of the person that buys gold, so there’s no point trying that. However to make your game a haven for bots seems to be bizarre. It’s like nothing is being done at all to combat it. The in-game mailing, in-game messages and bots filling up DE areas has to stop, which leads to this point….

3. DR is a joke and failed experiement. It was a failed experiment even before this game launched. SE tried it with FFXIV and it killed the game. It’s not a lie or some drama to prove a point, I watched it happen from inside that game.

The reason DR exists is to combat bots. It isn’t doing that. It’s punishing me. Stop punishing me for paying for the game and wanting to play it. It’s extremely counter-intuitive and a really odd move from a business wanting to make a profit.

So that’s just 3 points, but I could write more.

It’s not WoW causing the drop in players, it’s GW2 causing players to leave. It will continue to haemorrhage at an increasing an exponential rate until they decide to stop punishing and restricting legitimate players playing their game.

It’s a really really odd business strategy they have. How can we annoy all of our users? Our fanboys will still love us, but how can we really stick it to the newcomer or convert?

DR is the way to do it boys. DR and nothing else.

I’m good at games and succeed in MMOs, but I have more fun in the forum than the game. I’ve discovered this after 2 weeks of playing.

That’s the death-knell and it really appears to be the case for lots of people.

The difference is, with other recent big releases, is that this is a bonafide MMO. Not an ARPG or any other variation.

It plays like a stand-alone single player console game just that there’s bots in it and some other people.

Also have you had a look around the areas of the world, I was on Gandara, before I moved to a less populated server to try and get some Orr DE action with less bots, but the same was the case on the new server. The other areas of the game are desolate.

It’s quite shocking.

I’ll go back to EVE once I get confirmation that the DR will never be taken out. No histrionics, I’ve lost more than ~$100 before to folly. It doesn’t mean I can’t walk away disappointed and feeling lied to. Which I do right now.

You’ll probably say, “Good riddance!” when I say I’m going to leave, but I know it’s going to be a very similar pattern in the next few months.

Drastic changes need to be made and ANet are far too rigid in their stance on things like DR and anti-farming measures.

You can never punish your players because of a tiny minority of other players that exploit your game.

DR is a lazy, blanket, easily-applied, low maintenance, cheap way of appearing to try to do something about botting.

What it really actually does it move the bots elsewhere and to places where they really get in our way.

That’s so badly though out, I want to laugh.

Imagine if they introduce a storyline or a quest of some kind that means getting an item that drops from a specific mob. It’s very common in MMOs. Where’s your DR then?

You’ll be stopped from farming that essential storyline item effectively.

It hasn’t happened yet, but that’s a massive oversight with DR. It’ll affect every else except the bots and turn the game into a laughing stock.

I keep saying this, I’ve seen it happen, have first-hand experience of it happening and the longer a dev team ignores the problem they bigger the hole becomes.

So here’s to something changing, but I already have a feeling, from all the feedback from people supporting the game, sanely or insanely, that it won’t change and ANet feels like it’ll never need to change.

That’s fair enough. You’re entitled to your opinions and to express them as much as I am.

Don’t expect to have a popular title to play that will last any amount of time, though. That won’t change.

@nerva @geemo

I’ve spent 4-5 hours on the forum today and it’s infinitely more fun than the actual game.

Go back to MoP? I’ve never played WoW in my life. From the little I’ve seen about it and know about it, it’s distinctly more intricate and complicated than this game currently is.

What’s skillful about just rushing DEs with hundreds of bots? That’s not fun in any way whatsoever.

Dungeons are a novelty, but it really quickly wears off.

WvWvW is just a massive zerg rush. You can employ finesse to it, if you’re in a group of dedicated people, but I’m sorry I’m not waiting for up to 2 hours to have these experiences. Just no. No way.

1-80 in 4 days? What’s with that insanely short learning curve anyway?

There’s one thing I can do that allows me to empoy skill, which is solo everything I can. Very often I want to stay in the same area to do this (for many reasons) and ANet says… “No, no, no. Can’t do. Bad player. Are you a bot? We think you’re a bot. Stop being naughty!”

What utter rubbish.

Yeah sure, get a blanket anti-farm measure as it’ll get rid of all the bots. Except it hasn’t. They’re still here, they’re increasing, they’re sending more in-game mails, except now with copper attached to it, like some kind of blackmail measure. Bots infest all the Orr areas and specifically the Cursed Shore area and mess up the DEs for every one else. It has not helped in any way.

If I go anywhere it’ll be back to EVE. Thankfully that’s still going. That’ll be my choice and I’ll choose to leave here and the forums when I’m ready. Mainly if there’s no sign of improvement here, which you’re making it very obvious will continue to be the case. Nice.

From what you’re all saying, it’s all a bed of roses and needs no alteration, so I’ll just leave shortly. I’m an not in the minority. I am in the majority from reading the forums. Not to mention the fact that most people will just leave and not bother telling anyone. It’s only a small reflection of what people feel. If anything, the problem is larger than it seems.

I’m never going to play a game that punishes me for legitimately extracting a particular resource from the game ad-infinitum, if that’s what I want to do, as long as I stay with in the T&Cs.

This is just a game mechanic that we know nothing about that punishes us for wanting to play the game a particular way.

It’ll never last. No way.

It’ll make a change from them calling me a kitten.

(I actually wrote the word kitten there. Please replace with expletive that makes you most happy!)

No Leaf Clover.4893:

Ronin.8095:

No Leaf Clover.4893:

Ronin.8095:

VIVA LA GRAMMAR THREAD!

Man, this one made me LAUGH !!!
I’ll take it as sig, if you don’t mind !!

By all means mate.

I wish more people could see we’re just having a laugh with this thread. No malice was intended in any of it.

BUT I WILL KILL ALL OF YOU IF YOU MISPLACE A HYPHEN AGAIN! I WILL DRAW A HYPHEN ON A BRICK AND MAKE YOU EAT THAT BRICK.

:D

Mwahaha. I thought it was pretty obvious. Or maybe I’m myself a grammar Gestapo kind of guy, though non native english speaker.
For a strange reason, the forum won’t let me quote you as a sig.
A shame, but maybe the forum, thus Internet itself proclaimed you evil…?

Oh I’m definitely evil.

You know, evil in a hyphen-related way. It’s a common thing these days.

Budg.3064:

Challange-accepted

Mother-of-god. Fu-uuu-uuuu-uuu. Me-gusta. U-mad-bro. Freddie-Mercury. Neil-De-Grasse-Tyson. And-other-random-meme-age-interspersed-with-hyphens.

I’m waiting for some dude to say, I broke my wife/GF’s hyphen.

Ah right, that dude who said it is me. Oh well. Forever-alone.

muthax.4720:

guys it’s supposed to be a funny/joke thread (sorry about the slash..), let’s try to chill out

I’m totally cool man. Like, totally, like, +1 and stuff. I’m like too nonchalant to actually, like, care about it, because, I’m like so chill, so like take the +1 or don’t. Like, consider it a +1/-1, like, if that’s more cool with you.

No Leaf Clover.4893:

Ronin.8095:

VIVA LA GRAMMAR THREAD!

Man, this one made me LAUGH !!!
I’ll take it as sig, if you don’t mind !!

By all means mate.

I wish more people could see we’re just having a laugh with this thread. No malice was intended in any of it.

BUT I WILL KILL ALL OF YOU IF YOU MISPLACE A HYPHEN AGAIN! I WILL DRAW A HYPHEN ON A BRICK AND MAKE YOU EAT THAT BRICK.

:D

I should know better than to bother replying to satisfy your own needs of keeping your post in the spotlight, but….

There was no Nazi-ism. It was all perceived by you. I highly highly doubt you’re offended by any of it as it’s all just garnering you more attention. Which essentially is what we all want.

You put the word “work-time” in your OP. You linked two words with a hyphen which makes it a new word. Hyphens never act as a comma. They never end a sentence. Confusing them can lead for your written attempts to be read incorrectly, which is what happened with me.

If you try to read that sentence with a new word in it, it really doesn’t make sense. I had to sit there for quite a while, until someone else replied and pointed out that it was 2 sentences.

When I reasonably try to articulate this, people jump down your throat about being a Nazi, as it’s a nice tag that everyone knows and likes to beat on.

The fact is a real Grammar Nazi would attack your spelling and grammar even if they understood what you said.

I genuinely, genuinely didn’t get what you meant the first time around until it was pointed out to me and the cause of all of this was your little hyphen.

By all means create the Hyphen Police if you must, but don’t be incharge of writing any of the leaflets for it. If you want to be understood that is.

I’ve already said this, but it’s been tried before – a DR system. Probably to the destruction not just of a game, but an entire franchise – Final Fantasy.

Their DR foray and reluctance to take it out caused such a stink in normally placid Japan that it’s done lasting damage to their brand over there and internationally.

SE’s stock took a severe tumble and is still struggling to recover. Why? Mainly corporate greed. It’s what drives all of these nasty new “ideas” we’re seeing become commonplace in the MMO world.

With FF it resulted with the lead developer getting fired and he was replaced and the replacement was allowed to pick a new dev team.

My main point is, you cannot punish players who have more time than others and those that want to farm something, legitimately for long periods of time.

It’ll end really really badly.

I’m not making this up, I’ve seen it happen first hand.

Fanbois are going to shout “But DR was in GW1 too!” stop lying to yourself. It wasn’t to this extent and did not cover every facet of the game.

This is a punitive measure that has done absolutely nothing to alleviate the bot problem whatsoever.

It’s moved the bots to other places, like DEs where they now make it impossible for the regular player to get a tag on mobs.

The only thing I can really do now, that involves skill, allows me to get loot and is fun is fighting mobs alone. I’m moved on constantly.

No you can’t do this! No you can’t play here anymore. Go away! No you’ve got to much of this. No you’ve got too much of that! Leave that type of mob alone!

No, too much, cannot, stop. This is not the tone you want to treat your legitimate player base with or they will say exactly that….

No more, this game is too much, I cannot understand why they did this. I guess I’ll have to stop now.

The laziness and lack of willing to properly address and arrest the bot problem will end up being this game’s demise. It’s obvious ANEt uses DR as it’s cheap and can be rolled out really easily. It must have had no fore-thought what-so-ever.

I really like the game. I really really hate DR. You could keep every bot in for me and take DR out and that would make me happy. Even with a shoddy economy I’m not being chided at every turn.

Bots I can live with, they’re not telling me how to play the game.

You’d be closer with “Game is so pants, trying to enterain myself on the forums.”

Thanks for the entertainment Mickey.

Hope you’re here for the rest of the week.

I still don’t understand how allegedly not remembering something I said 5 mins ago (which I didn’t) is related to bi-polar disorder in any way. Mainly because it isn’t.

Mickey.4207:

Ronin.8095:

Mickey.4207:

Ronin.8095:

Mickey.4207:

Ronin.8095:

@Mickey and Lagrangeify.

a) I genuinely did not understand what he said. I was sitting there thinking “What’s this work-time” then. I am really not trying to be facaetious about this.

b) It’s a forum on the internet.

c) People should be told if what they say can’t be understood by other people. Grammar Nazi-ism is relevant if people’s poor grammar renders themselves unintelligible, which was exactly the case here.

d) Potatoes.

That is interesting because i understood him first time i read the post. I don’t judge people intelligence by their poor or good English on forums.

And i have read far worse.

Mickey.4207:

Mickey.4207:

Congrats OP. Ignore the flamers.
Grammar Nazi’s strike again ehh?

Why is it always grammar nazi, I prefer grammar spetsnaz. In soviet Russia grammar corrects you!

Because they are everywhere.

Which is good because at no point did I question the man’s intelligence and you’re lying to say that I have.

I said I couldn’t understand what he said as I read the word “work-time” as one word like other people have commented which is a fair comment. I am being serious.

We are talking to one another by typing. In a real one on one conversation you get to see live emotion, expression, intonation and meaning. You lose all of this in text.

Being clear about what you mean is imporant if you want to be understood. The fact you understood him perfectly does not mean other people have. They haven’t.

It’s never a reflection of someone’s intelligence and for you to project that on to me seems to mean that you have some chip on your shoulder about it.

If that’s what you want to do, do it. I can’t stop you.

It isn’t what I meant or I intended though, which is patently obvious.

c) People should be told if what they say can’t be understood by other people. Grammar Nazi-ism is relevant if people’s poor grammar renders themselves unintelligible, which was exactly the case here.

Your words not mine. Hence your very first comment about telling him to ‘write it in English when he get’s a moment’.

You forgot what you wrote just few minutes back. lol

You’re not making a point though are you?

You said I called him stupid or that I said he lacked intelligence. I didn’t. I said I couldn’t understand him and my opening post reflects that. I said it in a slightly facetious way, which was meant as a joke, and I’ve made clear in later posts, by agreeing with the OP when I understood him.

You decry the grammar nazi, even when they are joking, but there’s nothing more depressing than the humourless forum warrior, which is what you are being now.

Sorry, but your princess is in another castle.

I don’t have to make a point when you were clearly implying that somehow you are in position to question his intelligence on basis of his writing style. You even wrote ‘which is exactly the case here’.

So either you are bi polar or suffer from short memory loss.

And for someone who flamed OP for his English and for something which was an enthusiastic and fun post you should be the last person to call anyone else humorless forum warrior.

Now continue to play ‘it was just a joke’ card.

It was a joke and here’s my card.

I never questioned the man’s intelligence, just his ability to be understood. These are two separate things entirely. I keep saying this.

I genuinely didn’t understand what he said. It took for someone else to point out that it was two sentences. I already said this.

When I realised what he meant, I laughed and agreed, it’s up there in text right above. I already also said this to you.

You’re making up false and imaginary pretences to prove a pointless point. You also keep ignoring what I’m saying about not calling him stupid. I didn’t say that at any point. Stop lying.

It’s a bit bizarre.

Why are you so offended on his behalf? Is he offended on his own behalf?

You know, I don’t care you’re offended on someone you don’t know’s behalf. It’s an annoying feature of humans that permeates every facet of society today. Be offended, but you’re offended for the reasons you made up. I never called him stupid. I never intimated he was stupid.

Stop taking up battles for other people that don’t exist. Especially on the internet.

I said “In English” which is a common joke around where I live and in my family, if what you just said (for whatever reason) was unintelligible. You either need thicker skin or a better understanding of how a joke works.

P.S. There’s no known symptom of bi-polar disorder that involves memory loss.
Either you meant schizophrenia and/or amnesia.

Mickey.4207:

The best post i have ever read in a long time about DR issues.

What, a month? Lol.

lagrangeify.5641:

Ronin.8095:

@Mickey and Lagrangeify.

a) I genuinely did not understand what he said. I was sitting there thinking “What’s this work-time” then. I am really not trying to be facaetious about this.

b) It’s a forum on the internet.

c) People should be told if what they say can’t be understood by other people. Grammar Nazi-ism is relevant if people’s poor grammar renders themselves unintelligible, which was exactly the case here.

d) Potatoes.

a) the OP should have surrounded his hyphen with a space and all this would have blown over.

b) it most definitely is, thank goodness it’s not something serious like the final draft of his novel

c) well okay then.

d) rhubarb

See, that made me laugh. It’s fun. It’s a joke!

That’s the point.

Mickey.4207:

Ronin.8095:

Mickey.4207:

Ronin.8095:

@Mickey and Lagrangeify.

a) I genuinely did not understand what he said. I was sitting there thinking “What’s this work-time” then. I am really not trying to be facaetious about this.

b) It’s a forum on the internet.

c) People should be told if what they say can’t be understood by other people. Grammar Nazi-ism is relevant if people’s poor grammar renders themselves unintelligible, which was exactly the case here.

d) Potatoes.

That is interesting because i understood him first time i read the post. I don’t judge people intelligence by their poor or good English on forums.

And i have read far worse.

Mickey.4207:

Mickey.4207:

Congrats OP. Ignore the flamers.
Grammar Nazi’s strike again ehh?

Why is it always grammar nazi, I prefer grammar spetsnaz. In soviet Russia grammar corrects you!

Because they are everywhere.

Which is good because at no point did I question the man’s intelligence and you’re lying to say that I have.

I said I couldn’t understand what he said as I read the word “work-time” as one word like other people have commented which is a fair comment. I am being serious.

We are talking to one another by typing. In a real one on one conversation you get to see live emotion, expression, intonation and meaning. You lose all of this in text.

Being clear about what you mean is imporant if you want to be understood. The fact you understood him perfectly does not mean other people have. They haven’t.

It’s never a reflection of someone’s intelligence and for you to project that on to me seems to mean that you have some chip on your shoulder about it.

If that’s what you want to do, do it. I can’t stop you.

It isn’t what I meant or I intended though, which is patently obvious.

c) People should be told if what they say can’t be understood by other people. Grammar Nazi-ism is relevant if people’s poor grammar renders themselves unintelligible, which was exactly the case here.

Your words not mine. Hence your very first comment about telling him to ‘write it in English when he get’s a moment’.

You forgot what you wrote just few minutes back. lol

You’re not making a point though are you?

You said I called him stupid or that I said he lacked intelligence. I didn’t. I said I couldn’t understand him and my opening post reflects that. I said it in a slightly facetious way, which was meant as a joke, and I’ve made clear in later posts, by agreeing with the OP when I understood him.

You decry the grammar nazi, even when they are joking, but there’s nothing more depressing than the humourless forum warrior, which is what you are being now.

Sorry, but your princess is in another castle.

Mickey.4207:

Ronin.8095:

@Mickey and Lagrangeify.

a) I genuinely did not understand what he said. I was sitting there thinking “What’s this work-time” then. I am really not trying to be facaetious about this.

b) It’s a forum on the internet.

c) People should be told if what they say can’t be understood by other people. Grammar Nazi-ism is relevant if people’s poor grammar renders themselves unintelligible, which was exactly the case here.

d) Potatoes.

That is interesting because i understood him first time i read the post. I don’t judge people intelligence by their poor or good English on forums.

And i have read far worse.

Mickey.4207:

Mickey.4207:

Congrats OP. Ignore the flamers.
Grammar Nazi’s strike again ehh?

Why is it always grammar nazi, I prefer grammar spetsnaz. In soviet Russia grammar corrects you!

Because they are everywhere.

Which is good because at no point did I question the man’s intelligence and you’re lying to say that I have.

I said I couldn’t understand what he said as I read the word “work-time” as one word like other people have commented which is a fair comment. I am being serious.

We are talking to one another by typing. In a real one on one conversation you get to see live emotion, expression, intonation and meaning. You lose all of this in text.

Being clear about what you mean is imporant if you want to be understood. The fact you understood him perfectly does not mean other people have. They haven’t.

It’s never a reflection of someone’s intelligence and for you to project that on to me seems to mean that you have some chip on your shoulder about it.

If that’s what you want to do, do it. I can’t stop you.

It isn’t what I meant or I intended though, which is patently obvious.

sainguine.2870:

yes-just had a ham sammich and came back to this,stephen king loves the use of the hyphen-and the ellipsis…

Mate, you’re still using hyphens in a totally appalling manner, except now I think you’re doing it on purpose.

Which in all fairness is exactly what I would have done in that scenario, so fair play to you and no hard feelings. I genuinely had to take a few minutes to work out what your OP said.

Now I get what you mean, yes there’s nothing more “relaxing” than a wife-free (see how I used that hypen there!) environment. Not just for playing games either, if you ahem get what I mean!

Have a fun weekend!

P.S. Stephen King would be turning in his grave if he were dead, which he isn’t.

muthax.4720:

Ronin.8095:

muthax.4720:

Ronin.8095:

muthax.4720:

Ronin.8095:

muthax.4720:

I thought it was pretty clear myself

Ah right.

“My old lady has to work.” Is one sentence.

“Time to get into relax mode and play without wife aggro interference.” is another

If you say “my old lady has to work-time to get into relax mode and play without wife aggro interference.” without puntuating it and putting a random hyphen in there, it reads as one complete sentence of garbled nonsense.

Now I can understand it, it’s just nonsense.

yes it is and yest it could have done with a bit more commas… though he did use a ‘-’

and no, that’s not some weird smiley

People know what a “-” is.

It’s not punctuation either as used in the OP, it’s just a random hyphen. It makes the words work and time one word “work-time” which is what I read.

A hyphen is a hyphen and cannot be used in the same way as a comma, definitely not to break up a sentence.

If you’re takling about parenthesis sure, but that really doesn’t apply in that sentence at all. There’s nothing in it to be put in parentheses.

It’s two sentences. It should have been a period or a full stop.

LEARN ALL THE ENGLISH!

give him some slack, he was REALLY excited, I can understand him

Lol, you know I’m joking and just contributing to this thread like you as it’s one of those quirks of the internet.

I don’t care how people talk, but if it makes someone unintelligible, like it really did when I read it through, I think they should be told.

It’ll help them be understood in the future.

VIVA LA GRAMMAR THREAD!

ah while we here, let’s talk about DR out of the inflaming aura of those threads

I like to farm as much as you, old habits. I get around the DR because I zip a lot on the map, I go looking for hidden places (there is a lot) and kill a bunch of different stuff and never get hit with DR
Use the downleveling to your advantage and the fact that it’s a wonderful and dynamic (well mostly) world!

That’s actually a useful post in this thread of useless posts (mine definitely included). My opinion of muthax has changed.

Hooray for the internet!