Guild Wars 2

lol @ ET.. I spent a lot of last night going “WTF, did they just disappear?” The mass logout thing is probably one of the greatest things I’ve seen in awhile. NINJA MAGIC!

All in all some good fights this matchup, wish I coulda been in there more. Here’s looking forward to a good next week.

To YB and ET: thanks for all the great skirmishes. I wish everyone lots of luck for the matches ahead!

Well this is now being used as a tactic in WvW.

I was defending a tower west of garrison last night in ET borderlands and the ENTIRE ET ZERG was running out of the spawn, coming down the hill, hitting our siege, then immediately logging out and repeating in waves. The first time it happened we were all like “WTF? Did they just all disappear? Anyone see a portal?” but after the millionth time I think we figured out what was up. I don’t know if it was something they planned or if they were just screwing with us or what.

I’m still perplexed at how you get all those people to do that. “okay on 3 we hit the siege” “…AAAND… LOGOUT!”

Btw I am not saying this is a useful “tactic” and I wasn’t particularly angry about it, but it certainly was a “WTF really?” moment for me.

Tetnis.9137:

Stonesolid.2706:

Tetnis.9137:

Stonesolid.2706:

and if we’ve gotten any other new Dub Vee Dub guilds I haven’t seen them.

So what you are saying is that because you have not noticed, it hasn’t happened? strong closing statement there.

Learn to read. Nowhere in my post does it say anything close to that. If we’ve gotten new transfers I haven’t met them, that’s it. Are you really so mad that FA has people playing now? It’s just flipped from what was happening at the start after we lost literally everything to what you would consider your off-peak team.

Stop being such a crybaby. Good fights are good fights and that’s all that matters.

So you are saying it has happened?

If you are being serious.. /facepalm

No, I’m saying I haven’t seen it. If we’ve gotten new people I haven’t seen them. Is it really hard to understand what I’m trying to say?

What I have seen is guilds like [PRO] working their kitten off to maintain coverage for our maps during “off peak” hours. They maintain a strong presence on maps that need it using our server’s militia and even have people going around the world recruiting our (quite famous) fairweather PvE’rs into WvW.

What I have also seen is Yak’s Band going from being a strong presence on the maps to having very little to none at all, it’s usually hit or miss when I’ve seen any of them the past few days. Either they’ll be running full force in large groups or I’ll see them with the Outmanned buff. And that’s all during peak hours (usually around 6PM to 1AM EST) when I play.

I have stayed up late and woke up early a couple of times to join in the early hours and it’s ALWAYS been a small contingent of people moving from map to map trying to keep everything we own defended and take anything undefended. There is no huge EU force running around covering every map.

In the words of Randy Marsh: GAWW!

Tetnis.9137:

Stonesolid.2706:

and if we’ve gotten any other new Dub Vee Dub guilds I haven’t seen them.

So what you are saying is that because you have not noticed, it hasn’t happened? strong closing statement there.

Learn to read. Nowhere in my post does it say anything close to that. If we’ve gotten new transfers I haven’t met them, that’s it. Are you really so mad that FA has people playing now? It’s just flipped from what was happening at the start after we lost literally everything to what you would consider your off-peak team.

Stop being such a crybaby. Good fights are good fights and that’s all that matters.

Tetnis.9137:

Reonhato.5914:

Tetnis.9137

What this week proves is that if you dont have the numbers to win fairly you should spam other servers guilds to jump ship and join your server. I hope those transfers stick around when you start losing in a higher tier FA

ignoring that we have been recruiting for weeks, the japanese guild has been on FA for as long as i can remember, I have not seen or heard about any AU guild even though I am an aussie so would be playing the same time, the EU guild was confirmed to be looking to move but nothing guaranteed, it was confirmed that earlier in the week 1 EU player came here to have a look, his guild were going to discuss it. We had ULTD move over a month ago. Obviously have no way to confirm individuals coming over but servers get new players all the time so yeah.

FAs population for the oceanic period has been pretty much the same as it has been for weeks, the only difference between now and the weekend that put you guys 100k up is the amount of yaks that disappeared. Even now I find it a miracle that we are winning in this time period. YAKS seem to have just as many, if not more players than FA but they are all in 1 big zerg and are missing out on a lot of points by not working as a team.

Again, no one has been able to show these mystical transfers, sure we may have had a few people come to FA but no where near enough to go from losing 100k points in 2 days to constantly holding a 200+ point lead.

Im sorry is this a company, did i miss the marketing budget, and when i say budget i refer to the time people spend not the money spent.

The point is Yaks bend stands on the merits of the people who call our server home, we do not campaign to recruit numbers, we do not approach other servers becasue we have an inflated sense of self importance. We compete because these are the resources we have available to us, we have a loyal player base that takes pride in the achievements we are able to secure based on our own capabilities.

If you are satisfied with treating your server like a business that requires constant recruitment to achieve what your current player base is not able to achieve without such initiatives then you also have to live with the reputation that comes with this strategy.

Congratulations! as i said in my previous post i hope this recruitment gains you members that believe strongly in your vision and are not just jumping on the bandwagon for the win.

Yes, no one from YB would EVER try to recruit people to fill in their weak timeslots.

Oh wait, that was wrong.

Guess you should speak for yourself. Oh wait. LOL

Can we stop making excuses and just fight? I for one have been having a blast this matchup (same as every other matchup) and honestly I blame our numbers on our fairweather players actually playing (just like last time) more than anything, also YB seems to have ALOT LESS people than when they started so maybe we’re in a reversed situation now. The guilds everyones talking about people on FA recruiting haven’t transferred yet, and if we’ve gotten any other new Dub Vee Dub guilds I haven’t seen them.

Awesome picture from a couple nights ago. Dragonbrand assaulting their own keep. After they repaired the wall we came through they started building siege outside to break down their own door. Instead of taking the keep lord we just killed them as they tried to get through a door none of them could do any damage to.

tluv.5821:

It doesn’t work stone. Troll.

No need to be rude. Why don’t you actually try clicking the link.

The site is back up again with this message (copied and pasted it has some mistakes):

Service interuption
Due to an electrical failure in the datacenter, this site was down all this week-end. The site is now running on a new server (from a new Provider) but i’m always unable to access old data. As soon as the old server will be up, i’ll get back old data and update this new site.
My apologies for this inconveniance

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

It’s back up.

Radiodread.8469:

It doesn’t refill. It has whatever supply was in it before you took it over. Think about it. You raided a supply camp to, you know, take its supplies.

Phew. I run around draining enemy supply camps sometimes lol.. I was wondering for a second if I had just been leading fire teams on the most useless missions ever.

aeroh.8930:

Saying ‘counters exist’ isn’t very helpful! List them.

Mesmer feedback bubble doesn’t have a cap. Throwing up a few of those on a stacked group could lead to mass suicides.

The engineer mortar #5 seems to knock back everything in the target radius. Good for breaking up the stack?

What else?

Surround them and blast them into oblivion? Even with the 5 cap on AOEs I haven’t seen a stack not melt if you focused fire on it. Knockaround abilities are good to split them up, reflection abilities are good in any situation. I love running up to a crowd and getting their attention and then dropping Temporal Curtain in front of myself and watching all the tunnel-visioneers try to kill themselves. A well placed Warden is even better especially when they start trying to shoot it while it’s spinning. Talk about crazy damage numbers and lots of dead bodies!

If they have too many people or if they’re coordinated with reflection abilities like Loco was saying then go somewhere else and let them be useless. That’s an entire group of people you don’t have to worry about covering any other part of the map.

Vorpal.4683:

It’s a rather silly situation.

AOE is designed to punish people for mobbing up and not spreading out properly.

However the AOE cap essentially means that the BEST way to avoid AOE is to….clump up all on top of one person!

It’s bad and silly game design. Counters do exist, however. I think in general it is much harder to counter the stack than it is to form the stack in the first place.

All aoe should be a counter to excessive clumping.

I will agree that an Ele’s meteor and other GTAOE abilities should completely destroy anyone stacked up like this. It’s very counter-intuitive that the solution to avoiding area-of-effect is to group up in the same small area.

Loco.9508:

Stonesolid.2706:

Loco.9508:

Stonesolid.2706:

Loco.9508:

Stonesolid.2706:

Can I just say that this is my favorite tactic to counter? Feel free to stack up in front of me anytime. lol

This dead group was a lot bigger.. I tried to get a screenie of them all but they started disappearing before I thought about it.

Yeah having 3 orbs + Guild buffs tend to make countering anything easy.

Everyone has an excuse for something.

Are you really that full of yourself? The point still stands stacking up is the best tactic you can do in situations like that. You didn’t “counter” anything. Superior numbers + stats did that.

Whatever. Feel free to lay down and die every time you see a “stack”. This isn’t the only encounter I’ve had this this “tactic” and it’s not nearly the best tactic in any situation. The only thing is doing is trying to take advantage of the AOE cap. Other than that it’s just a big pile of people doing “Hey, over here! Kill us! We made it easy for you!” Flanking, ambush tactics, and portals are still more tactically advantageous.

I’d say for you to learn to adapt and overcome but obviously crying on the forums is the only answer.

Right it has nothing to do with stacking buffs, protective bubbles, heals, etc. Just to avoid AoE. sigh

You just keep proving how clueless you are. I never said there wasn’t other tactics, but guess what? You know portals? They involve using gasp Stacking.

Also I’m not crying about stacking. I actually use it over 90% of the time i’m doing WvW and I use portal bombs all the time as I am a mesmer. Im simply stating you thinking you can destroy stacks just because you have all the buffs and manpower possible is just a naive way to think.

I don’t use stacking in WvW. Stacking for a portal is only for the entrance.. if you don’t fan out when you exit you’re doing it wrong. Buffs and heals have a cap also. Reflection abilities seem extremely useful in this situation but no stack I have come across has dropped a bubble around themselves.

I’m sorry we had guild buffs in that picture.. I didn’t even notice at the time. I just saw a giant ball of people get instantly mopped up and by a much smaller force. (Not where you see superior numbers in that screenshot.)

I came into the thread just to say that it wasn’t a great tactic but I’m wrong. Taking your entire force and concentrating them in one small area is a GREAT idea. I’m obviously the clueless one for thinking otherwise.

Also I laughed when you said you “use it over 90% of the time” you’re in WvW. So pro.

Loco.9508:

Stonesolid.2706:

Loco.9508:

Stonesolid.2706:

Can I just say that this is my favorite tactic to counter? Feel free to stack up in front of me anytime. lol

This dead group was a lot bigger.. I tried to get a screenie of them all but they started disappearing before I thought about it.

Yeah having 3 orbs + Guild buffs tend to make countering anything easy.

Everyone has an excuse for something.

Are you really that full of yourself? The point still stands stacking up is the best tactic you can do in situations like that. You didn’t “counter” anything. Superior numbers + stats did that.

Whatever. Feel free to lay down and die every time you see a “stack”. This isn’t the only encounter I’ve had this this “tactic” and it’s not nearly the best tactic in any situation. The only thing is doing is trying to take advantage of the AOE cap. Other than that it’s just a big pile of people doing “Hey, over here! Kill us! We made it easy for you!” Flanking, ambush tactics, and portals are still more tactically advantageous.

I’d say for you to learn to adapt and overcome but obviously crying on the forums is the only answer.

Wait, what? Have I been draining supply camps for nothing? lol

Can I just say that this is my favorite tactic to counter? Feel free to stack up in front of me anytime. lol

This dead group was a lot bigger.. I tried to get a screenie of them all but they started disappearing before I thought about it.

Personally I think spawn camping (interdiction) is a valid tactic and have no qualms with it. It’s only annoying to the newer people who run straight out into Ballista fire without thinking. That being said trying to deny it’s constantly happening is a little silly. I have PLENTY of screenshots of large guild groups parked right outside the spawn and if you’d like I’ll post a few when I head home from work. I had a good little sparring match with a commander named something like “Danni” for awhile right out front of one the FA spawns the other day.

Also regarding the zergs… TC you do have people that melt like butter when I walk through them (edit: I know FA does too.. I can see the PUGs lol). I feel like Moses parting the red sea sometimes and I wonder why your giant groups get turned around by a single Mesmer. That isn’t to say you don’t have skilled players as well, you do.. but they seem few and far between (I have to look out for em, cause every now and then I’ll get pounced on by an annoying group of Thieves). Maybe it’s all the up-leveled people or something.

Commander is just for controlling the Orr farming zergs.

I’d love to be able to buy it with badges. I think the current cost was meant as a gold sink and for guilds to be able to band together to buy the tag for their leadership.

The only time I’ve seen TSP together outside of FA spawn exits they all laid down at my feet and presented me with their supply camp. :P

Edit: those are the pirate guys right? lol

Yep. The ranking system is useless when competition dodgers are just going to jump ship to have an easier time. Just look at PRO from GoM. Supposedly they have 200+ active members with 6 commanders (more people than FA fielded total during the last matchup) and they’re looking to move to a server with more of a WvW presence.

Why wouldn’t they just throw together a few squads and go populate the maps themselves? Because that’d be too hard. They see the scores and have NO interest whatsoever in heading into a map. Obviously the only solution at that point is to jump ship.

I don’t mean to call out a specific guild as pretty much all fair weather players are doing, they just made a GREAT example. Server transfers ruin the ranking system and kill competition in WvW.

(I’m currently fighting a decent matchup in TC/FA/DB, let’s see how long it lasts before the “fair weather shuffle” ruins it.)

200 players with 6 commanders and you can’t get enough of a presence on your server for WvW? Sounds legit.

No matter what opinions are the fact is that transfers completely ruin the ranking system (just look at the current tier 2 matchup for a GREAT example) not to mention the way it ruins queues for the guilds and folks actually trying to pull their weight.

If everyone stopped transferring and we waited (or had shorter matchmaking matches again) we’d actually balance out our brackets and have real competition again. All of the guilds and servers recruiting masses of people from other servers (their competition) as well as those transferring are (in my opinion) competition dodgers. Plain and simple.

I get transferring off of a server once it’s been ruined by free transfers. That makes sense though it still unbalances the brackets.

The ONLY fix is to stop transfers unless we adjust the ranking formula and have shorter matches.

Having a blast in this matchup. Also the first time in awhile I’ve seen people on FA maps (we even have queues!). Looking forward to a fun week!

The weird rubber banding and disconnect issues are getting annoying though. Thought it was my connection until others started complaining about it.

I’m ready!

Just hoping less guilds are playing musical servers this match. lol

Badwrong.3596:

Orchis.6087:

False. Lately that has been true, but that can simply be attributed to a lot of people not pursuing WvW very strongly before the change. Early in the matchup, aside from the initial friday night when it was decently even, Blackgate was continuously ahead, and not by small margins either. Most of the time Blackgate would control major portions of the borderlands with EB being about equal.

No sorry. I’m from a forum guild who has players on blackgate. They said they have had hour long queue times all week long. So you guys have no backed off in queueing. Maybe YOU and YOUR friends have, but your numbers of people have not at all.

If you guys don’t show up to fight, then don’t go bragging about how it was hard work and what “great things” were accomplished. We did show up and we rolled you guys in our borderland, period.

This. If you and your guild haven’t even been on the map for this match I don’t understand why you’d even care to make comments. We’ve been absolutely destroying the BG masses when we’re on a map (even with the Outmanned buff). The only thing on their side is sheer superiority in numbers. I’m sure they’ll figure it out when they’re up against servers with similar populations and the “throw more people at it” strategy doesn’t work as well.

Good matchup guys. Well.. at least I had fun farming the mindless Blackgate zergs. I do apologize to Raven for FA having the Outmanned buff all the time and for our 15 man groups not being able to hold every point on every map. lol

To the TC folks: when you make custom emotes we can’t see them. It just says you “gestured” or something. I always figure you guys are just trying to give us hugs but that doesn’t mean we’re not going to kill you. (We must kill that which we do not understand!) I have had a few folks /wave and /dance with me during standoffs and thought it was cool.

Blackgate had some interesting groups but I rarely saw anything beyond the mindless zergs. I spent a lot of time purposely dragging them out just to farm badges from them because they were so disorganized. And then any time they actually caught me they’d spam emotes. Great sportsmanship guys.

Also, pretty sure I killed a TC group that may have been having a picnic or something (all sitting around a field emoting to each other).. I’m still wondering what they were doing there.

Don’t mind me. I’m just roleplaying a Mesmer who likes to cause chaos.

http://www.gw2db.com/items/67168-mjalnir

fyi

You know me, getting all angry about winning. All I’m saying is that fighting against you all is boring. Not infuriating, BORING. lol

And it really isn’t that bad, moving from HoD it’s a nice break until we move up the ladder and are pitted against more competitive servers.

Ninein.4782:

Badwrong.3596:

Ninein.4782:

Obviously this troll hates the GOONs.

I’ve been in WvWvW several times during this matchup and during FA and SOS primetime we’ve always been outnumbered. Maybe you’re running in your 10 man group and complain that Maguuma is outnumbering you.

I’ve been in the GOONs for various games. Loved playing with them in EVE. If you were actually reading, I said we were looking forward to being matched with their server because they typically have many people and that means more fights. Instead they have many people all in a single spot.

I’ve seen many people call the server MaGOONba or MaGOONa… I thought it was a good nickname. If GOONs don’t like it, then I wont use it, apologies. However it would seem very odd for a GOON to be offended by a nickname, typically their guilds/clans say “have a thick skin or GTFO”.

Not all of us are in Goons and I’ve never heard anyone use MaGoonba. Sounds like a derisive name to me. Also you pretty much try to summarize the whole matchup from a few events such as Ramalot and such. That’s wrong and your attempts at chest thumping by saying we have equal number is inaccurate. I think when you run with your zerg you only see 20 people when there are 80. This invisi zerg has warped your mind.

“A few events” that have been the only times Maguuma has shown up in force to WvW this matchup. During these “events” (which happen every night) Maguuma has more than enough people (with multiple individual/presumably organized guilds representing in numbers) but instead of actually fighting across the map they take one Camp/Tower/Keep and focus on that for the entire night. It just seems like a waste of resources. Wouldn’t it be more fun to actually contribute to the fight even knowing you won’t be on the scoreboard?

I think the point is no matter how many Maguuma are on a map they’re never actually doing anything useful for their server. You guys were fun to fight at first when you were actually applying tactics to the battlefield but now you might as well have given up completely as you (as a server) are tagging one camp and then instead of moving out from there you just purposely waste all of your siege and call it a victory. And a well fought one at that!

@Badwrong: Take a break this week and start getting ready for the actual competition coming up between us, Blackgate, and Tarnished Coast. Time to get killed by some RPers!

I really wished there was some sort of hotfix for this incoming. We’re seriously going to be fighting invisible enemies for the next 2 weekends? Brutal.

Also @Halo: I had no problems on my ATI card previous to the last patch (though I saw others complaining of the issue). Anet fixed that for me though, ever since the last patch I have the same issue as everyone else.

Same thing happening here. It wasn’t happening previous to the last patch (even while others were having a similar issue).

Looks like a client issue. It has nothing to do with server reporting. The players are reported and displayed in the game but no sprites or models are rendered for them.

I’m not your buddy, guy!

You can plink away at our keeps as much as you want. I’ll be running around trying to secure that one camp you all still own. :P

I wish SoS had the morale that Maguuma has. And vice versa it’d be cool to see Maguuma with the population of SoS. You all are a lot more fun to fight. No offense SoSers.

Loving the fight Maguuma. You guys can do whatever you want while I’m at work. I’ll see you this evening at your Garrison.