Guild Wars 2

It’s ridiculous how many badge of honor some people have now, if they actually did tweak the drop rate then I’d say it was a good call.

I don’t think this move was very thought through, either they are trying to smother our voices like Caliban said, or they thought GvG is “off topic” for WvW forums, an opinion I would vehemently contest. Because GvG is but one aspect of WvW, just like another aspect is solo-roaming in WvW.

Much love to TUP, we were screaming our kitten off at the 6th round, such a good round and GvG.

Long have siege masters feared the dreadful day they have to go make 200 superior pieces of siege for their guild or WvW community. Why? Because you can only make one superior siege at a time, which takes quite a lot of time.

This could hopefully be fixed easily by making it possible to forge multiple items at once.

Simply: 250 Mithril Ore, 250 Elder Wood logs, 100 Rams and 50 Siege Master’s Guide would make 50 superior rams. Simply creating 1 superior ram takes 6 clicks/drags of an item. To make 200 superior siege that would then mean 1200 clicks/drags. One click per second would then mean that it would take 20 minutes of constant clicking to make that siege. It is not unreasonable to say that siege masters in communities make this much siege every 2nd week.

An item in the gem shop which would make it possible to forge 10 items at a time would probably be considered very valuable, and something I know many would buy. A sum of 200-300 gems for this item sounds appropriate.

Grrrrrrrrrreeeat

Awesome fights today against AoA especially, kudos to you guys for being so persistent and using a lot of tactics in your gameplay, portals and smart ambushes etc.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Although, simplifying it to American standards would make things a lot easier. The forums are already in American language anyways.

Shakki.3219:

you are not the first, you’re way too late for that..

Thanks for bringing to the table quality competition. I do hope the quality of guilds in WvW doesn’t decrease too much after this. Always a pleasure fighting you, and the GvG’s & open field skirmishes we’ve had against you has been the most intense fighting I’ve personally ever had in GW2.

I wish you well and hope to see you in future games, even though it might be long ’til then.

Hehe I think all servers to some extent dislike this matchup, AR because they want more competition and the lower ones because they can’t properly compete against AR and might run in to lots of upgraded stuff from AR making sieging more boring.

Well this matchup is a bit unbalanced, oh well!

If there are any WvW-guilds that’d like to have a GvG with VoTF contact me or Jackie.1829.

Crashed 7 times in 20 minutes on differing borderlands, very odd.

I’ve been disappointed quite a lot lately so it’s not even any point anymore in saying I am disappointed with these changes because it seems like things won’t change.

Though Troma, didn’t you say you would never call for a server call to arms ever again earlier? At least that’s what I heard from friends on Desolation after we left it.

Caliban.3176:

Our server built 4 arrowcarts in Garrison yesterday. We were GODS. With that and the lord banner res, our enemies had no chance. We didn’t repair anything because we wanted our lootbags to get in.

This is so op that is getting even more ridiculous. They weren’t even Superior arrowcarts. It’s funny for like 2 minutes but then the imbalance just makes you cry.

Schhh I want AC’s to farm wexp easily yo!

Tho Nug & dsd and who more it was did an awesome job staying alive in there for such a long time, honestly they did deserve to win it but with our op AC’s our server was able to save the day.

In my opinion using alt-tab during fights is a bit counterproductive.

ParaldaWind.4523:

Regardless, T1 =|= skill. Many of our members and allied guild’s members have been in T1 and while there are some really cool meta shifts and strats that come from T1, it’s not the only place that skill lies. T1 has some amazing guilds; SF, Choo, VotF, Red Guard, Za Drotts, TSym, Foo, Iron, RISE, etc.

Just to bring correct facts to the conversation, all the EU guilds you linked are not in T1 at the moment, RG & VoTF have not been in T1 for over a month. For ZD and IRON it’s been a few weeks. I don’t think any of the good guilds in EU want to be in T1 now due to the hardcore blobbing. The action used to be in T1 some months ago in EU but since the Vizunah curse affected the other servers the good guilds spread out in lower tiers. At the moment there is a lot of good guilds spread out in T3 actually in EU.

Peetee.9406:

Personally, I think the best change they ever made to WvW was removing repair costs when outmanned. I tend to only play on maps where we are outmanned as I don’t feel compelled to run from every fight and can actually enjoy myself

I believe if they were to remove the costs of WvW or atleast reduce them severely u would see the population explode. Right now it feels like you have to pay a subscription fee just to play WvW.

If it costs for you then you’re probably not killing enough to get heavy loot bags, WvW can be a cash cow!

DevonCarver.5370:

Junkpile.7439:

DevonCarver.5370:

We are not planning on adding a new currency to handle Ascended items in WvW.

So we can use badge of honors. Any info when i can buy these items?

ASAP.

What the video says ~

Lots of respect for hanging in there so long Narai, hope in the end you get rewarded for it somehow!

Ysuera Kypheni.5632:

I LOVE the new arrow cart mechanism! We, 15, were attacking a garrison, three enemies sneaked in (being invulnerable and like that) and they make the whole team flee! With just three arrow carts. The sad part is I was in the team who fled…

But no problem really. I really like capturing all the points under the veil of the night and just sitting in my fortress during the day, watching how the fools try to take in the unconquerable while I just use 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1.

It’s much more convenient than ever before! Thank you for this great improvement.

I don’t want to be obtrusive at all, but could you please give a surprise golem after the capture? Sometimes I got bored with the ACs, and I want to look around outside, too. Not a problem if it’s a lil’bit stronger than usual, you know, there are fearsome things called zergs there.

Had same thing last night, we had captured an enemy keep in EB, I built myself a superior arrow cart on the wall using the supply in the keep while everyone else ran off. In half an hour I had gotten 25 stacks of kills with my bloodlust sigil from my sup AC due to the 15 people that kept coming back from their spawn to try smash the gate in.

I’d like to see the message posted here as well as I heard of it and didn’t get the chance to read it before it got deleted.

Heijincks.9267:

Teel.9036:

Vena.8436:

Lance.5892:

take a look at eu scores in T1
http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#EU
Tier 1 Desolation

with T2 servers purposely avoiding T1, how much of that + the arrowcart patch could you take? Especially when an entire server (Vizuna) was already known for sitting in towers/keeps and manning 50 million arrow carts

Note that it’s been happening for quite a long while.

Given the absolutely juvenille nature that your members are going on about, at this very moment, spamming the forum…

…Its as if you wanted your opinion to look childish/worse off or something with these antics.

You have three idiots spamming the forum as if we cared about them in some great way. No, we don’t, and it paints your guild poorly.

We are some of the fiercest debaters in this thread that is true, and we all stand on the same side of the argument, but we do reply with arguments and we don’t use rude remarks or similar to try make a point.

But nice of you to try undermine us anti-AC-buff by calling us juvenile.

I don’t think the juvenile part refers to VoTF as a whole. Just the few members who have demonstrated being so in this thread so far.

One of them is currently spamming the forums like a kid throwing a tantrum. You tell me that’s not juvenile. It does no good to your image whether or not you are for or against the issue.

They’re usually not this big trolls they’re just very disappointed in the way Arenanet handled the goodbye-thread by IRON.

Vena.8436:

Lance.5892:

take a look at eu scores in T1
http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#EU
Tier 1 Desolation

with T2 servers purposely avoiding T1, how much of that + the arrowcart patch could you take? Especially when an entire server (Vizuna) was already known for sitting in towers/keeps and manning 50 million arrow carts

Note that it’s been happening for quite a long while.

Given the absolutely juvenille nature that your members are going on about, at this very moment, spamming the forum…

…Its as if you wanted your opinion to look childish/worse off or something with these antics.

You have three idiots spamming the forum as if we cared about them in some great way. No, we don’t, and it paints your guild poorly.

We are some of the fiercest debaters in this thread that is true, and we all stand on the same side of the argument, but we do reply with arguments and we don’t use rude remarks or similar to try make a point.

But nice of you to try undermine us anti-AC-buff by calling us juvenile.

Mif.3471:

Teel.9036:

So IRON stops playing competitive WvW and makes their “goodbye thread” on this forum and ANet directly deletes it, nasty.

Caliban.3176:

I just saw a post (that has already been censored by the lortnoc egamad team of Anet) saying that IRON is quitting, partly due to this kitten up.

“I quit” posts are against the forum ToS.

But hey, lets ignore the facts and dress it up as something it isn’t to support the VotF anti arrow cart QQapalooza.

Please find me the exact quote where it says they are… The only thing that their thread might’ve fallen under is “off topic”, which I at the same time would disagree with because they are the biggest WvW guild in EU and they have left the game partially because of this patch (“nail in the coffin”), so for them to speak their mind and give feedback while saying goodbye, I think that’s fair.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/rules

Sad to see IRON stepping down, huge respect to you for managing to be so organized yet so many and for keeping it going for so long against Vizunah.

Disprespectful of ANet to delete the goodbye-thread of the guild leader of the biggest EU WvW guild.

Mif.3471:

Caliban.3176:

Wow, it seems like if I’m not here, other smart people take over and try to take some sense into you guys. Hope that some people actually know how this game works is restored, despite all the examples of people not understanding competitive play.

So anyone who disagrees with your (guilds) opinion are:

• Stupid
• Don’t know how the game works
• Don’t understand competitive play

It’s rather pathetic how you think you can bully the entire forums in to accepting your (guilds) opinions as fact.

You underestimate other people if you think using the anti-AC-buff arguments are bullying others in to accepting our opinions.

Kraag Deadsoul.2789:

Trashbob.2743:

hf…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEml669YJHY

Perfect example of the change working as intended. Dumb zerg is dumb. Not completely brain dead as they at least had enough intelligence to set up catas to take down the wall out of reach of the arrow carts rather than try to build rams at the gate.

However, it occurs to me they probably tried that approach first, were met with a kitten-storm of arrow cart fire, and were forced back from the gate. This means that zerg had to have known those arrow carts were inside. Where are the trebs to take out the arrow carts? A single treb could have turned that siege into a victory for that zerg.

This battle occurred at Lake Tower. A barely upgraded Lake tower I might add. Furthermore, there’s zero supply in the depot. So the defenders were running on empty. They likely had insufficient supply to build a counter-treb had the zerg built a treb of their own. Even if the defenders had managed to build a treb, the zerg had control of the surrounding area. They could have easily gotten fresh supply from the Water or Southern supply camps and built multiple trebs.

This was a poorly executed siege on the part of the zerg and the defenders punished them for it; and rightly so. The one and only reason that zerg lost was through stupidity. Period. The arrow carts are working as intended.

Why are so many saying “if the enemies build an AC just build a treb and destroy it, duuuuh”… That simply should not be needed!

Very interesting ideas I must say, would love if ideas like these became a bigger discussion with more people involved.

TallDan.6350:

I for one am looking forward to seeing if this means we need better tactics and if large pug zergs are the ones to suffer for a change.

“I, for one, welcome our new Arrow Cart overlords”.

Jokes aside, how do you think a SMALL/MEDIUM group will behave now? Sure it hurts the large zergs, but who it hurts even more are the small and medium pug groups, those pug groups now have a bigger chance for success if they join the large zerg instead.

Mif.3471:

Aneu.1748:

This will not happen! Why do you think it will? The easiest way to get around it is to get more people into one area! Not to “redefine the meta” of GW2. You are looking at this in a completely naive way.

If the only tactical solution you can find to this problem is once again “bigger zerg”, then perhaps you aren’t the tactical or meta genius you think you are.

He’s not saying he will do that, he’s saying that’s how the mentality of the average player is in WvW and how they will behave in WvW.

Both your proposals are unrealistic, in real life a trebuchet would deal damage to another trebuchet for example and not be immune to it somehow. And the thought of “global supply” isn’t either realistic, you can hopefully figure out in what way.

Needs more memes!

Ah the Vizunian curse strikes again

It’s sad that this post by Aneu was written just before the crazy AC-buff was announced, that AC-buff just proves even more how WvW is not getting the changes it needs.

In T1 when we fought Vizunah blobs they would put down ballistas everywhere in the open when they saw us (spread shot..), I suppose now they’ll start dropping arrow carts as well.

greyblue.4962:

It strikes me that this suggestion shows a massive disdain for all of the players who enjoy most the reinforcing and supplying of towers and keeps.

It also sounds like implementing what you suggest would have the effect of making the zerg ball supremely powerful. Servers that currently stack 100 in a ball and run around spamming 1 would win everything, always, unless a second serve stacked 110 and did the same.

In my opinion, implementing what you’ve asked for here would utterly ruin WvW. Please, Anet, never do this.

The “king of the hill” part will limit the PPT that blobs can get for their server in a BL, you can’t have 100 people at every single one of these locations.

Would definitely love to see this.

Slayer Lord.5023:

IN NA, people leave the top three servers all the time. Why this never happens in the EU is a mystery. You would think it would spread out by now and yet it doesn’t seem to.

It has happened in EU since several weeks back, there are only 3 guilds I can name now on SFR when I earlier could name 12. Most guilds have left Deso as well, 6 of the 7 biggest WvW guilds left Deso, leaving two smaller WvW guilds and Iron.

Why it doesn’t happen on Vizunah though is beyond me, the people there do not seem to look for a challenge and persist through queues to get their “entertainment” which consist of taking stuff in BL’s without sizable enemy forces or just holding on to their T3 stuff and escorting dolyaks.

pot.6805:

Seems EU T1 finally got a taste of what NA T1 has been dealing with for many months. The whole murder zerg meta is just plain boring.

In NA at least T1 is more balanced. In EU nothing will ever long-term be able to beat Vizunah because in order to do so an opposing server need to stack a lot, and organized guilds will not want to do that because then they have to stand heavy queues which they maybe at the moment don’t have on their current server.

SFR did indeed beat Vizunah a few times but that was because guilds pulled crazy hours every now and then and over time several guilds left the server to go to a lower tier due to several issues, one being queues.

I do not know what kind of joy the people on Vizunah get out of doing WvW but I sincerely hope that for the sake of WvW in the EU brackets they split up more evenly on other French servers so there isn’t a super-stacked server like theirs. Everyone is supposed to want to go to T1 but in EU it’s not like that, people do not want to have their server even enter T1 because they fear the destruction of their server due to the blobbing that exists on Vizunah and the night/daycapping.

Ah the Vizunian curse! Thing is Vizunah are stacked like hell, and organized guilds don’t want to stack on another server to try defeat Vizunah because in order to do so the organized guilds will have to stand queues, something plenty of current WvW guilds don’t have in the mid/lower tiers.

We should just let T1 rot and hopefully the Vizunah players eventually realize how much their server and gameplay destroyed the EU WvW-bracket and they’ll spread over the different French servers and look for challenges and not stack on one single server for overkill.

It is nice to see a communicative person like Devon Carter but that doesn’t change the fact that WvW has serious issues that is increasingly making people bored with the game. The core structure of the WvW-system is flawed in the sense that servers now are getting stuck in tiers and fight the same (often boring) enemies over and over. And for guilds to get good fights they have to be in higher tiers, and in the higher tiers because of the higher pop on those servers there are blobs. Blobs which cause boredom, frustration and lag.

Yorric Hunt.8214:

ChroNoS.6978:

Really impressed with how much more roam-friendly this is over upper tiers! Great small scale fights so far! Really loving it!

My only complaint is [PRXM].. For the amount of small scale/roaming people they have, they’ll just never fight you with less than 3v1.. And when you actually DO get one alone, halfway through the fight 4 more will pop out of nowhere. *sighs

Other than that though, the most fun I’ve had in months! Looking forward to some more fun throughout the week!

Regards.

Yea loads of small roaming partys……

Fun battle, RiOT ran straight to garrison tho and joined us when we got inside the lords room in Hills to get wexp (ftw!). Must say I’ve never seen a that sieged up lords room, a treb even? Very fun siege for once anyway!

Edeor.9720:

Teel.9036:

There most likely is a huge difference between T1 blobs and T5/T6 blobs. I take it you’ve never met Vizunah in its current state.

I’ve been on SFR since day one, and I stayed there until we got to T1, so I know how T1 works. I also know what it means to be on a beautiful server ruined by mass transfer.

Do you really think there is a difference between the blobs of Gandara, FSP, or Aurora Glade and those of Vizunah? Really? The numbers are always the same, and I assure you that the zerg of Gandara or Aurora Glade in some ways are even worse because they are really organized (FSP zerg is quite similar to Vizunah zerg).

Don’t you want to believe me? Np, the problems is your not mine, but it’s really annoying to see people complaining about the blob while they actively contribute to create the problem.

Don’t you like the blob? Well, I’ll tell you a secret there are 7 servers in the lower tiers, and two of these are almost empty.

If you say they blob as much as Vizunah AND they are more organized, then they’d be in T1, not Vizunah. You’re shooting down your own argument there.

Edeor.9720:

Nightingale.8364:

We came here looking for those kinds of fights, and despite what you may think about us, alot of our players started on low Tier servers and know exactly what to expect, its one of the reasons why we moved here. The massive blobs that exist in T1 are tbh vey depressing, we are a social guild too and enjoy playing together, this wasnt possible in T1 anymore, this is possible now.

Have fun all and see you on the field.

If this was your intent then you have made the wrong choice. With the transfer of the last days RoS will be soon in the same tier of FSP, Gandara, or Aurora Glade, and you’ll be overwhelmed by blobs (hell even FN and AM like to blob).

After all, don’t you think it’s pretty pointless to move en masse to a lower tier? It’s obvious that the server will rise quickly and you’ll end up at the starting point, in other words, blobs and lag.

What will you do at that point? Another mass transfer to start over? And then again, again, again … It’s clear that this game has limits in W3, but it is equally obvious that the players are committed to make things worse, and the absurd thing is that it would take very little to prevent the blobs fest.

There most likely is a huge difference between T1 blobs and T5/T6 blobs. I take it you’ve never met Vizunah in its current state.

T1 is getting pretty stale and the Vizunian curse is once again destroying WvW just like it did late January when Vizunah outnumbered the enemy servers during night/day and then during primetime sat in their T3 stuff not stepping out.

Soooo VoTF are looking for opponents to GvG in T1, contact me or Jackie.1829 ingame so we can set it up.

Hahaha hey Kyris, didn’t know you played GW2! Thought your name sounded familiar

Nice vid like usual!

Papawan.1952:

Pryda.8257:

You look mad mate, seems you were not worth a single tity

Never wanted them anyway, Desolation is already like the Heaven of 72 Virgins.

tagnut.8621:

Yawn – we kicked Viz’s kitten as medium pop. We kicked des’ kitten as medium pop.

Don’t forget your alarm clock.

Pretty irrelevant, SFR has a high amount of WvW players and low amount of PvE players. It’s the opposite on Desolation. So while Desolation often don’t have queues on all BL’s at primetime I guess you on SFR have at least up to an hour.

Did anything happen to SFR tonight? Did you even have queues on all BL’s at 21 (gmt)?

Hahahahaha oh you

Nymph of Meliai.6739:

… and then Teel goes on to suggest that VoTF are so ‘leet’ that it would take the entire SFR borderland to beat you… "Maybe it’s the time when SFR had their whole BL in our garrison at reset and eventually after like 30+ minutes of fighting they pulled off. "

M8, I didn’t say we were ever alone, we had pretty much our whole borderland in Garrison as well trying to fight you off.

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