Guild Wars 2

Astralporing.1957:

Ticky.5831:

There’s actually no way to know that. Blizzard aren’t going to release their sub numbers anymore.

The estimated numbers of Hot sales (based upon NCSoft’s earnings) suggest around 300-400k accounts. We know that f2p accounts are around half of the active account numbers. There are players that have more than one account (especially true with f2p accounts).

No matter what you might believe, WoW is not even close to be down to below 1 million players yet.

I never said I believed it. I said his point is invalid.

There’s actually no way to know that. Blizzard aren’t going to release their sub numbers anymore.

So his point is invalid.

BrotherBelial.3094:

. But people have no one to blame but them self’s…

That platitude is rarely accurate. And in this case, Anet has the majority of the blame.

Just because a platitude exists, doesn’t make it true in every case.

For example, “Time heals all wounds” clearly isn’t accuracte. There exist physical and psychological traumas that time alone simpl has no effect on. You can’t grow an arm back. You need professional help to recover from PSTD. etc.

Kind of a rant, but platitudes annoy me.

Darkness.9732:

Morfedel.4165:

Ragnarox.9601:

wolfman.4358:

Everybody here who is complaining about legendries….. Seriously get a life! I recently returned to GW2 after taking a break and trying the new WoD… The fact is as follows…

Anet treats it’s customers a million times better than most MMO’s! No subscription fee required! Game quality is far above ANYTHING out there! In WoW you pay a subscription and are CONTINUALLY given crap for product! Then you get to watch as Blizzard comes out with new PHONE APPS!!! WTF???

So if the devs making new legendries gets your panties in a knot… I say again… GET A LIFE YOU SPOILED LITTLE BRATS!!!

So tell me one thing that Anet treats us better than WoW? Don’t tell me subscription cause this game do not deserve sub.

Does that mean you think WoW is better than GW2? If so, why aren’t you playing that instead?

Wow it’ s way better than gw2. Still milions of people play wow nowadays.

Can you say the same of gw2 ?^ Yes sure desert borderlands are the evidence.

That guy wrote right : Compare gw2 to Tera or Rift. Not with WoW.

WoW is on another level compared to gw2.

Played a lot of WoW, and I disagree. All my friends who used to play WoW have quit in the last year, so I imagine it’s worse than when I quit.

You’re entitled to your opinion though.

AegisFLCL.7623:

I hope they don’t waste resources on a joke, better things to do atm.

I think it’s safe to assume it’s planned already and just needs to be activated.

AysonCurrax.3254:

Ticky.5831:

To be honest, though, I do think the Bubble Glider skin is awesome and it’s kind of ridiculous to lynch it for this, as I believe it’s safe to assume it was planned and finished before this decision was made.

Not gonna buy it though, not for a LOOOOOOONG time.

But its all bubbly and full of hot air… Its kind of like when Anet gives you their word for something.

Oooooooh.

Ok that’s just clever.

(But I do think it’s awesome)

Good Tofu.9376:

Ticky.5831:

You described all games that are primarily or solely console games. MMOs are almost entirely on PC.

Final Fantasy XIV is widely considered an MMO also on PS4….and its userbase pales in comparison to that of Destiny, The Division, and any of the Ultimate Team sports titles.

Yup, and it’s pretty much the sole exception.

People who aren’t willing to buy a PC aren’t particularly significant to the MMO market as a whole.

To be honest, though, I do think the Bubble Glider skin is awesome and it’s kind of ridiculous to lynch it for this, as I believe it’s safe to assume it was planned and finished before this decision was made.

Not gonna buy it though, not for a LOOOOOOONG time.

WingedLass.7456:

Things are going off the deep end. Instead of throwing out desperate (and poorly-developed) saving throws in hopes of people not leaving, or adding more Black Lion weapon skins or gem store outfits and gliders, stop that for a second and think about a direction you want to head and that you can sustain..

Actually, I’m going to say this, and I’m kind of surprised nobody brought it up. I would hope other people were realistic enough to realize it.

There is no way to keep ahead of the content curve. It just doesn’t happen. Every hour or so we spend on content is hundreds of hours of collective labor. Living content is unsustainable, and frankly, not critical in this game more than most. Why? Because there is no subscription model and the model that the game was designed for accounts for rapidly fluctuating player bases. That’s because the only real monetarily significant players in this game are 1) People buying the monetized content(the expansion in this case) and 2) Gem store whales,

The inability to deliver advertised features(this isn’t just some random feature they were talking about in dev blogs and livestreams, this is ad material), is far more important than regularly adding live content. Because when they can’t do that, it kittenes off the whales and removes legitimate incentive to buy the next expansion. And it creates legitimate ill-will in the community.

So frankly, yes, the ability to deliver and advertised feature is more important than pulling the game out of a content drought. We, as a fanbase, are going to burn through content and then start complaining about the next content drought. It’s bound to happen, it happens all the time. There is absolutely no way to prevent that. That’s why EVERY SINGLE MMO pads out their content with some sort of grind or farm component.

Sustainable living content is the head of this company’s pipe dream, and frankly, a pipe dream of the vast majority of MMO players.

Don’t get me wrong. Live content is important. Especially in subscription based games. But large stretches without live content updates(which keep in mind, this game HAS been getting content update, just not the kind that a large section of the fanbase necessarily want) is far less damaging than breaking good faith.

You described all games that are primarily or solely console games. MMOs are almost entirely on PC.

So if it has exciting gameplay, it can’t be an MMO? Because those dang kids!?

MadRabbit.3179:

I don’t see how suspending or lowering drop rates helps much.

Pretty easy. Halve the drop rate, and assuming there is no change in the number of people Mystic Forging(or a huge influx or decrease in players) and half the number gets produced. Stop them from dropping and no more get produced. As supply decreases, gold prices on the precursors increase, possibly to the point where they’ll exceed the mat costs in the crafting.

Transparency on the relative drop rates would be important for 2 reasons:

1) So that people don’t get upset at a nerfed drop rate

2) Being transparent would likely also lower the supply, as the rates diminish, people would be more hesitent to use the Mystic Forge to try to craft the.

The reason you don’t understand is because the human mind doesn’t comprehend probabilities intuitively. You see a 90% chance and feel cheated you don’t get a return on it. You see a 10% chance and assume that you never get a return on it. You see a failed 50% roll and assume the next 50% roll is going to succeed(gamblers fallacy).

I remember arguing about XCOM with someone, and they thought the RNG was “bad” in it, because someone described a chain of events with a probability of 1-in-118,000; but I had to explain to him that the game sold about 2 million copies, asuming(VERY conservatively) everyone who played it averaged 100 rolls in a playthrough, it really wasn’t unlikely to hear one of those 2 million people report the story.

MadRabbit.3179:

Ticky.5831:

MadRabbit.3179:

And once again, to cite the reality of the situation, the people who would quit because it went back to RNG base are already quitting, because they aren’t getting them at all.

Thus, it’s not a solution to the problem.

The narcissism is palpable here.

The broad, sweeping statements here are not palpable.

Yes, if you narrow this down myopically and look at in a vaccuum, then yeah, it’s not solution.

But if we accept that the situation is so kittened that people are going to quit no matter what, then having legendary weapons in some format for the players who remain is still better than not having them at all.

I mean, they are gone and I don’t exactly see you suggesting a workable, practical idea to salvage the situation.

Look, at no point in this discussion, will I say this is ideal, but I am approaching this purely pragmatically.

First off, people are allowed to critisize, without offering alternatives. An Idea should be tested as to whether it has merit before weighing relative merits.

Secondly, despite not needing to offer an alternative, I will: my solution would be to hire 6 new people so they don’t have to scrap an advertised feature. Cut into their profit margin to make good to customers, or borrow against a bankable asset if they have to.

As far as prices on the TP, dynamically lower or suspend(trasnparently) drops for specific precursors until their value goes up past the mats cost.

And, I should point out, I’m assuming here: the reason why they made the crafted precursor BoE is because the market is plastic. At the moment, you can check how much a precursor is, do the first step, save up enough for the precursor, do the mat price comparison, buy the precursor if it’s cheaper, and then finish the Journey for another precursor to sell at a profit later on if the opportunity arises.

MadRabbit.3179:

And once again, to cite the reality of the situation, the people who would quit because it went back to RNG base are already quitting, because they aren’t getting them at all.

Thus, it’s not a solution to the problem.

The narcissism is palpable here.

Ok, let me rephrase that, a lot of people left Guild Wars 2 shortly after launch because the only end-game goals were RNG based, and lacked agency. People will leave if Anet makes them solely RNG based again.

MadRabbit.3179:

Ticky.5831:

Precursor crafting came about from a legitimate desire in the fanbase.

Getting rid of it is not a solution at all. Not supporting it for the 12 remaining HoT legendarys is a stop gap measure(also not a solution) at best.

And no offense, but that’s also complete bullkitten.

You just made this blanket statement that you haven’t qualified in any kind of way.

How is it not a solution at all? It’s clearly a solution for the reasons I detailed.

Yet, the real solution apparently is to not have Legendary weapons at all, so we can keep a system that the development team can’t support, because “we” (not me; I was fine saving and buying a precursor off the market) wanted this precursor system.

And that’s better for everyone….for….reasons?

I simply meant that stop-gap measures are not solutions.

They make the change, and people will just complain about precursors being RNG again. So it’s not a solution.

Precursor crafting came about from a legitimate desire in the fanbase.

Getting rid of it is not a solution at all. Not supporting it for the 12 remaining HoT legendarys is a stop gap measure(also not a solution) at best.

The game is not about gear grinding, but it’s certainly about the shinies.

Also, you have no authority to tell me what to do (soclosetousingabusivelanguagerightnow).

Rauderi.8706:

froacus.6892:

Rauderi.8706:

swansea.2453:

How do people feel and what do you think about WoodenPotatoes latest video?

Don’t care, and never will, about one doof’s opinion. We have an entire player base to be concerned about, not just slaves to some streamer.

Swing and a miss.

WP discusses issues facing the GW2 community in a logical, salient manner. You don’t have to agree with him to be able to watch the video and see if his ideas/content have any value. Maybe you completely disagree- and that’s totally fine. (I’m assuming here) that the whole point of this thread and WP’s videos are to start/have a conversation about what the community feels are important issues. The video is at least worth a listen.

I’ve been on this sinking ship as long as anyone else. I’d have to be particularly sated with GW2 to be unaware of why this game is struggling. There are enough mass communication methods that we don’t need one kewkew with a webcam telling us what’s wrong. We already know.

I may be mistaken, but I believe part of the intention is that Wooden Potatoes may have a measure of presence to Anet. At least he’s visible enough that there is an in-game reference to him(Maguuma Burl).

mtpelion.4562:

Ticky.5831:

mtpelion.4562:

I just wanted to chime in and add that I agree with the decision to suspend the new Legendary Weapons.

Legendaries are enjoyed by a very small percentage of players, so if making them angry in the short term helps end the content drought that ALL players are currently suffering through, so be it.

It always sucks to be the one who eats the cut (everyone has had their turn in that barrel, so you aren’t special or being singled out this time), but the health of the entire game is at stake here so you have to look at the big picture.

Ethically, Anet is the one that’s supposed to eat the cut here though.

Statements of intention with regard to software should never be believed prior to the release of said software.

It’s a lesson everyone will eventually hate learning, but learn nonetheless.

It’s not an intention though. It’s an advertised service.

Hold people accountable for their actions so you have a precedent of not being vulnerable to being taken for advantage. It’s a lesson involving sacrifice, but it’s worth learning.

My constructive criticsism is hire 6 new people so that you don’t have to scrap the project.

Borrow against a bankable asset if you have to.

mtpelion.4562:

I just wanted to chime in and add that I agree with the decision to suspend the new Legendary Weapons.

Legendaries are enjoyed by a very small percentage of players, so if making them angry in the short term helps end the content drought that ALL players are currently suffering through, so be it.

It always sucks to be the one who eats the cut (everyone has had their turn in that barrel, so you aren’t special or being singled out this time), but the health of the entire game is at stake here so you have to look at the big picture.

Ethically, Anet is the one that’s supposed to eat the cut here though.

As in, hire the staff necessary not to make this sacrifice, or diminish their personal creative stake in the game to make good on a product.

Heibi.4251:

Sartharina.3542:

Heibi.4251:

Dinks.2478:

Heibi.4251:

Sartharina.3542:

Indefinite suspension is “Canceled until Further Notice”

Actually:
Indefinite- not clearly defined or determined; not precise or exact:
an indefinite boundary; an indefinite date in the future.

Suspended – temporarily prevent from continuing or being in force or effect.
“work on the dam was suspended”

Canceled – to decide or announce that a planned event will not take place; call off:
to cancel a meeting.

Your literal definition of the words and their typical practical use are two entirely different things.

Sigh. If words didn’t have meanings they wouldn’t use them. And believe it or not “cancel” and “indefinitely suspend” mean something different.

“Indefinitely suspend” means “Canceled, but may eventually one day return to it, but not likely.”
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Actually:
Indefinite- not clearly defined or determined; not precise or exact:
an indefinite boundary; an indefinite date in the future.

Suspended – temporarily prevent from continuing or being in force or effect.
“work on the dam was suspended”

Canceled – to decide or announce that a planned event will not take place; call off:
to cancel a meeting.

The minutiae doesn’t particularly matter. Indefinitely suspended means there are no concrete plans to continue supporting an advertised service. That violates a good faith transaction.

Yes, people are inaccurately saying the features were cancelled. No, the difference in wording doesn’t justify a change in reaction.

BrotherBelial.3094:

You wouldn’t buy a car, and the guy show you one and say, this care is great it can do allsorts of things. You can buy it right now, but the wheels will not be ready for awhile, and we don’t have a time frame. Would you buy that car?

Bad analogy. HoT was the product; Legendary Journeys were a service packaged with it. People buy services packaged with cars all the time(roadside assistance, warrantys, event invites, vehicle service, coupons etc) and those company’s are expected to make good on their services.

Heibi.4251:

Ticky.5831:

Heibi.4251:

Dinks.2478:

Heibi.4251:

Darkddmaster.4695:

OK I would like MO or another dev to please explain to me and others what they actually mean by ‘indefinitely suspended’. I know a lot of people take this to mean CANCELLED, but when I read the post I took it as literally the ‘indefinitely suspended’, as in, work is on hold and we don’t have a time frame in mind to resume. .

Indefinitely Suspended means = on hold until we can get back to it, but we don’t have a date or time frame to give you as to when it will be.

Canceled means it isn’t going to be done and there’s no intent on returning to do it in the future.

Wording is everything. If they were going to cancel them outright they would have said so.

Oh man, You don’t really believe that do you?

Just going by the printed word. I don’t read “cancel” when they say “suspend”. If more people would calm the kitten down and read it in the openness that it was offered this thread wouldn’t contain such venom.

Instead of screaming at them offer suggestions to make their job easier so they might be able to produce the legendary weapons we would like them to. Several others, including myself, have offered ideas and compromises on the situation.

Indefinite Suspension means we have every reason to believe they never will be implemented.

It actually means they want to catch up on the other larger projects and then evaluate how to proceed on legendaries. Quite simple. Wipe the anger from your eyes and start thinking.

No, it doesn’t mean that. If that’s the message they were intending, they should have used other wording. Indefinite Suspension means they have no plans to return to it. They may “intend” to return to it, but intentions aren’t concrete. Its that simple.

I’m not stating with certainty that they’ll never go back to working on them, but there is no certainty, and no concrete reason, to believe that they will.

Heibi.4251:

Dinks.2478:

Heibi.4251:

Darkddmaster.4695:

OK I would like MO or another dev to please explain to me and others what they actually mean by ‘indefinitely suspended’. I know a lot of people take this to mean CANCELLED, but when I read the post I took it as literally the ‘indefinitely suspended’, as in, work is on hold and we don’t have a time frame in mind to resume. .

Indefinitely Suspended means = on hold until we can get back to it, but we don’t have a date or time frame to give you as to when it will be.

Canceled means it isn’t going to be done and there’s no intent on returning to do it in the future.

Wording is everything. If they were going to cancel them outright they would have said so.

Oh man, You don’t really believe that do you?

Just going by the printed word. I don’t read “cancel” when they say “suspend”. If more people would calm the kitten down and read it in the openness that it was offered this thread wouldn’t contain such venom.

Instead of screaming at them offer suggestions to make their job easier so they might be able to produce the legendary weapons we would like them to. Several others, including myself, have offered ideas and compromises on the situation.

Indefinite Suspension means we no reason to believe they never will be implemented.

It’s not as concrete as cancelled, but there still no reason to believe they will return to them.

People aren’t upset that Legendaries are being delayed. They are mad Legendaries are being delayed indefinitely(no definite plans to implement any more).

Celtic Lady.3729:

This is a really good question.

And another one…why did they work on the new legendary shortbow before more popular weapons?

Just…no…logic.

Because the Dreamer is extremely annoying.

Morfedel.4165:

Ticky.5831:

Morfedel.4165:

Ticky.5831:

Morfedel.4165:

Ticky.5831:

Morfedel.4165:

Spira.4578:

Morfedel.4165:

Dinks.2478:

I’m just curious what all the “I don’t care about legendaries so I am happy” posters would be saying if this was reversed and it was their favorite content that was being nixed. The selfish rallying behind anet is disgusting.

So people have to agree with you or else be selfish?

No, but if they say “I don’t care if people don’t get what they paid for, simply because I don’t like the canceled content” then yes, they ARE selfish.

That means, sometimes, making hard decisions where some plans have to be scrapped, and thus some people end up disappointed or even angered.

They still have to do that within the bounds of ethical behavior though.

They also still have to make sure the game stays afloat.

Within the bounds of ethical behavior.

Calling it unethical is a little bit of a stretch. There’s a difference between them intentionally lying, breaking promises for no good reason, and making hard tough decisions to make sure the game stays afloat. The first example would be unethical but the second example is trying to survive and it’s not unethical in any way whatsoever

Do you honestly believe any of the Anet staff is in mortal peril?

Keep in mind, neither the game nor the corporation are living entities with consciousness. I think you are mistakenly projecting human survival ethics onto non-living constructs.

The really is no reason to get pedantic about this, you know what I meant.

I… actually don’t think I do, because it’s fairly clear I thought you meant that you can apply survival ethic priority(other ethical/moral problems take a backseat to survival) to non-living entities.

I can’t stop you from telling yourself what you want to hear, but I’m not going to validate you.

Morfedel.4165:

Ticky.5831:

Morfedel.4165:

Ticky.5831:

Morfedel.4165:

Spira.4578:

Morfedel.4165:

Dinks.2478:

I’m just curious what all the “I don’t care about legendaries so I am happy” posters would be saying if this was reversed and it was their favorite content that was being nixed. The selfish rallying behind anet is disgusting.

So people have to agree with you or else be selfish?

No, but if they say “I don’t care if people don’t get what they paid for, simply because I don’t like the canceled content” then yes, they ARE selfish.

That means, sometimes, making hard decisions where some plans have to be scrapped, and thus some people end up disappointed or even angered.

They still have to do that within the bounds of ethical behavior though.

They also still have to make sure the game stays afloat.

Within the bounds of ethical behavior.

Calling it unethical is a little bit of a stretch. There’s a difference between them intentionally lying, breaking promises for no good reason, and making hard tough decisions to make sure the game stays afloat. The first example would be unethical but the second example is trying to survive and it’s not unethical in any way whatsoever

Do you honestly believe any of the Anet staff is in mortal peril?

Keep in mind, neither the game nor the corporation are living entities with consciousness. I think you are mistakenly projecting human survival ethics onto non-living constructs.

BrotherBelial.3094:

Ticky.5831:

BrotherBelial.3094:

I would rather ANet focus on there 3 main game modes first and fix them…

Yes its bad news for those who wanted to collect all 16(sic; not including yourself in there)

But hay lets worry about a small part of the game shall we…(sic; sarcastically, I assume)

I really shouldn’t have to describe how that is displaying selfishness and discounting something you don’t care for.

Point one, personal opinion.
Point two, maybe, maybe not, I don’t like the current sword or great sword legendary weapons, I was hoping the new ones would be more to my personal tast, guess I’ll have a long wait to find out.
Point three, no it was a rhetorical question. Clearly for some, this is a much bigger issue than other parts of the game that probably have, or did have more people playing/doing things in those modes than the people just working on legendary weapons.

You can see that as selfish if you want, but wanting things fixed for the many, over the few is hardly selfish wouldn’t you say?

Over the few, not necessarily. At the expense of the few, if you are one of the many, than absolutely.

I believe the disconnect you are having here is the imagination that Legendary Journeys were, until now, being made at the exepnse of “the many”, which is an illusion. However, it can now be said that the benefits of “the many” are being made at the expense(that is the denial of what they are entitled to, a promise of a service rendered at the cost of tender) of “the few”.

In other words, you are benefiting from dirty money, and the number of people benefiting doesn’t “purify” it.

BrotherBelial.3094:

I would rather ANet focus on there 3 main game modes first and fix them…

Yes its bad news for those who wanted to collect all 16(sic; not including yourself in there)

But hay lets worry about a small part of the game shall we…(sic; sarcastically, I assume)

I really shouldn’t have to describe how that is displaying selfishness and discounting something you don’t care for.

Morfedel.4165:

Ticky.5831:

Morfedel.4165:

Spira.4578:

Morfedel.4165:

Dinks.2478:

I’m just curious what all the “I don’t care about legendaries so I am happy” posters would be saying if this was reversed and it was their favorite content that was being nixed. The selfish rallying behind anet is disgusting.

So people have to agree with you or else be selfish?

No, but if they say “I don’t care if people don’t get what they paid for, simply because I don’t like the canceled content” then yes, they ARE selfish.

That means, sometimes, making hard decisions where some plans have to be scrapped, and thus some people end up disappointed or even angered.

They still have to do that within the bounds of ethical behavior though.

They also still have to make sure the game stays afloat.

Within the bounds of ethical behavior.

Morfedel.4165:

Spira.4578:

Morfedel.4165:

Dinks.2478:

I’m just curious what all the “I don’t care about legendaries so I am happy” posters would be saying if this was reversed and it was their favorite content that was being nixed. The selfish rallying behind anet is disgusting.

So people have to agree with you or else be selfish?

No, but if they say “I don’t care if people don’t get what they paid for, simply because I don’t like the canceled content” then yes, they ARE selfish.

That means, sometimes, making hard decisions where some plans have to be scrapped, and thus some people end up disappointed or even angered.

They still have to do that within the bounds of ethical behavior though.

Hmmmmmmmmmmnmnmz.9623:

Ticky.5831:

Hmmmmmmmmmmnmnmz.9623:

Ticky.5831:

Hmmmmmmmmmmnmnmz.9623:

Dashingsteel.3410:

“if you like the game just for the legendaries or you bought HoT only for the new legendaries it was totally your fault not the devs”

Yes, you legendary lovers!!! How dare you buy HoT expecting 16 legendaries??? I know Anet advertised 16 new legendaries but they have more important things to do right now. It’s all your fault!! Not the company who used it as advertising. It is your fault for buying it.

So you are saying anyone who buys a product based on what Anet advertises is at fault?

Hahaha. Why people who suddenly ‘bought HoT just for new legendary’ didnt buy it when the liked item is released. I wouldnt “buy a car without seeing it, seller promises to bring new wheels next week”. If you purchased HoT already, i’d say you definately got 50€ worth content.

How would you know? Stop projecting your experience on other people.

Well, I got sixth sense against salesmen. Dont pay for something you not sure to like.

What? There’s no guarantee you’ll like anything you buy. That’s a ridiculous model to live by, and a terrible one to hold other people to.

There was alot of info and livestreams about content they release on HoT in general. You werent sure if u like anything that being released and still buy it? You should get to know yourself better…

So don’t hold anyone accountable to ethics?

Because part of those livestreams were the promise of a service. Does a responsibility to uphold service not mean anyting to you?

Also, how can you not notice the paradox of this line of thinking. You are saying promises in livestreams are concrete and you can make decisions with absolute certainty from them. But you are also saying that people who bought HoT with the expectations of the promises made were foolish to do so.

Hmmmmmmmmmmnmnmz.9623:

Ticky.5831:

Hmmmmmmmmmmnmnmz.9623:

Dashingsteel.3410:

“if you like the game just for the legendaries or you bought HoT only for the new legendaries it was totally your fault not the devs”

Yes, you legendary lovers!!! How dare you buy HoT expecting 16 legendaries??? I know Anet advertised 16 new legendaries but they have more important things to do right now. It’s all your fault!! Not the company who used it as advertising. It is your fault for buying it.

So you are saying anyone who buys a product based on what Anet advertises is at fault?

Hahaha. Why people who suddenly ‘bought HoT just for new legendary’ didnt buy it when the liked item is released. I wouldnt “buy a car without seeing it, seller promises to bring new wheels next week”. If you purchased HoT already, i’d say you definately got 50€ worth content.

How would you know? Stop projecting your experience on other people.

Well, shes doing content she purchased? Soon she will have 1 more new legendary to work towards.

Having a snarky response doesn’t validate the post I rebutted.

My point is, yes, there ARE people who only bought the expansion for the precursor crafting.

BrotherBelial.3094:

Ticky.5831:

BrotherBelial.3094:

Ticky.5831:

BrotherBelial.3094:

As for the selfish, how? Some just see the bigger picture and play the game as a whole, not just one small part.

lol

This guy can’t be for real. Stop validating him folks.

Lol really? What my points are not valid? If they are not.please tell me why. And in why I mean facts, as to why my point of view is not valid.

People seem to forget the bulk of the dev staff are on live content, the 70 on expansion 2 are probably artist for the most part, with probably terrain designers and 3D modelers so the can see what things might look like.but seeing as we do not know what the 10 (was it?) working on the legendary weapons skill sets where, its hard to say if pulling artists off expansion 2 to help with legendary weapons would not help. If the problems are finding ways to weave the story of the weapons in to the game then putting them in. Not to say I know what these people know or do not know, but I would guess they don’t have the needed skill set to help. In work I would ask the guy who brings the mail around to help me network a new group of PC’s to the server. We wouldn’t have the needed knowledge to do that, even I we could muddle our way through. It would probably take way longer to do and at the cost of holding back our own work.

And seeing as pulling people of the live team is a no go dew to the problems with PvP and WvW and the massive content black hole we are currently in would probably drive off more people than shelving legendary weapons ever will.

You are saying people aren’t looking at the game as a whole, but all you are doing is discounting something you don’t care for as part of that “whole”. That’s why you are being selfish.

Also, some of us, (me for instance), are actually concerned about the long term effects of this. We project a massive flop of the next expansion, because, in fact, absolutely none of the salable features that are going to be advertised for it can be counted on.

Discounting? Not at all, just pointing out that legendary weapons when not an initial part of HoT, that we knew before hand that the legendary weapons would come after HoT and than we would need HoT to get them. We knew all this going in that they where to be added. That means they where not ready, started or what ever. Yes ANet failed to deliver on the amount the said they would. Yes its bad news for those who wanted to collect all 16. I would rather ANet focus on there 3 mane game modes first and fix them. PvE has been in the same state since HoT launched, PvP is a HoT mess with many people upset, and WvW, well we all know that fell on its face, ANet have been a travesty. But hay lets worry about a small part of the game shall we?

Honestly, this just confirms what I said. I don’t know what you were planning on with this response.

Also, it’s not only bad news for people who wanted to collect all 16. It’s bad news for anyone who wanted a replacement for any of the current ones(mace, shield and focus are really unpopular for instance). And it’s bad news for EVERYONE 2 years down the line.

Hmmmmmmmmmmnmnmz.9623:

Ticky.5831:

Hmmmmmmmmmmnmnmz.9623:

Dashingsteel.3410:

“if you like the game just for the legendaries or you bought HoT only for the new legendaries it was totally your fault not the devs”

Yes, you legendary lovers!!! How dare you buy HoT expecting 16 legendaries??? I know Anet advertised 16 new legendaries but they have more important things to do right now. It’s all your fault!! Not the company who used it as advertising. It is your fault for buying it.

So you are saying anyone who buys a product based on what Anet advertises is at fault?

Hahaha. Why people who suddenly ‘bought HoT just for new legendary’ didnt buy it when the liked item is released. I wouldnt “buy a car without seeing it, seller promises to bring new wheels next week”. If you purchased HoT already, i’d say you definately got 50€ worth content.

How would you know? Stop projecting your experience on other people.

Well, I got sixth sense against salesmen. Dont pay for something you not sure to like.

What? There’s no guarantee you’ll like anything you buy. That’s a ridiculous model to live by, and a terrible one to hold other people to.

Hmmmmmmmmmmnmnmz.9623:

Dashingsteel.3410:

“if you like the game just for the legendaries or you bought HoT only for the new legendaries it was totally your fault not the devs”

Yes, you legendary lovers!!! How dare you buy HoT expecting 16 legendaries??? I know Anet advertised 16 new legendaries but they have more important things to do right now. It’s all your fault!! Not the company who used it as advertising. It is your fault for buying it.

So you are saying anyone who buys a product based on what Anet advertises is at fault?

Hahaha. Why people who suddenly ‘bought HoT just for new legendary’ didnt buy it when the liked item is released. I wouldnt “buy a car without seeing it, seller promises to bring new wheels next week”. If you purchased HoT already, i’d say you definately got 50€ worth content.

How would you know? I have a guildy who has only been doing dailies, guild missions and precursor crafting. I think they had 8 of them crafted the last time she told me. Stop projecting your experience on other people.

BrotherBelial.3094:

Ticky.5831:

BrotherBelial.3094:

As for the selfish, how? Some just see the bigger picture and play the game as a whole, not just one small part.

lol

This guy can’t be for real. Stop validating him folks.

Lol really? What my points are not valid? If they are not.please tell me why. And in why I mean facts, as to why my point of view is not valid.

People seem to forget the bulk of the dev staff are on live content, the 70 on expansion 2 are probably artist for the most part, with probably terrain designers and 3D modelers so the can see what things might look like.but seeing as we do not know what the 10 (was it?) working on the legendary weapons skill sets where, its hard to say if pulling artists off expansion 2 to help with legendary weapons would not help. If the problems are finding ways to weave the story of the weapons in to the game then putting them in. Not to say I know what these people know or do not know, but I would guess they don’t have the needed skill set to help. In work I would ask the guy who brings the mail around to help me network a new group of PC’s to the server. We wouldn’t have the needed knowledge to do that, even I we could muddle our way through. It would probably take way longer to do and at the cost of holding back our own work.

And seeing as pulling people of the live team is a no go dew to the problems with PvP and WvW and the massive content black hole we are currently in would probably drive off more people than shelving legendary weapons ever will.

You are saying people aren’t looking at the game as a whole, but all you are doing is discounting something you don’t care for as part of that “whole”. That’s why you are being selfish.

Also, some of us, (me for instance), are actually concerned about the long term effects of this. We project a massive flop of the next expansion, because, in fact, absolutely none of the salable features that are going to be advertised for it can be counted on.

BrotherBelial.3094:

As for the selfish, how? Some just see the bigger picture and play the game as a whole, not just one small part.

lol

This guy can’t be for real. Stop validating him folks.

Lumpy.8760:

how many of you held off your own judgment waiting for a youtube video to agree with

I recognize most of these names from posting over the weekend. Also, I posted over the weekend. WP posted this morning.

Lumpy.8760:

how interesting to know that so many people care more about keeping promises for niche “content” than a quality game

I can’t speak for everyone, but I don’t. I do care about them releasing what people pay for. If this wasn’t an selling point for the Xpack, I’d be right there with you. But it was, so it’s a matter of ethics, and the fact that ArenaNet made their word completely worthless.

Well, honestly I find that very strange, because I’ve had the exact opposite experience, favoring AB as a farming spot since day 1 of HoT.

It seems to me, thematically, Short Bow was primarily meant to be a mobility weapon. Thieves have mobility in the skill bar, and Rangers have mobility in the trait line(although Skirmishing is basically cookie cutter). So it’s a weapon that someone in Tyria would use because it’s less cumbersome than a Longbow, and not as loud as a pistol or rifle.

Mal.1670:

Super disappointed. It’s bad enough that Living World was sacrificed to push out raids.

IIRC most of the raids team were outside hires.

I think your problem is that you show up too late and the primary metaserver map is already full. I very rarely have a problem with getting into a full map in AB.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Event_timers

Use this; try to show up before the challenges phase.

Lexander.4579:

gotta add that as opposed to the first couple months of HoT there is much less decent players (and people) who know what to do and are willing to participate in the event instead of just standing at a safe spot and waiting for free chests so failing Tarir with a full map is not something uncommon either

in fact now that tactics are known fairly well the full Tarir map fails more often than at the beginning of HoT when the community was still learning and actually trying to do their best

Wat? The first two weeks in HoT I think I only witnessed 3 clears. I’ve only seen 2 fails(as far as org maps are concerned) in the last two months.

spartan.9421:

I personally think they he, like everyone else, is blowing this way out of proportion. Anet isn’t removing all legendaries they are just not adding in the newest ones. Yet, people are acting as if Anet is saying they are removing ALL legendaries. The whole thing will blow over and people will no longer care in a couple of weeks to a month, happens every time theres news on a big change. Just like when and made the change to diamond skin trait, people flipped out, but, now no one cares. If Anet shows that it’s better this way everyone will calm down in time, lashing out at Anet won’t solve anything though.

Yeah, that’s not at all how people are(generally) acting, but go ahead, keep demonizing them. And it’s certainly not how WP is acting.

I haven’t seen ANYONE say they are getting rid of all the legendaries. Mostly mad that they aren’t getting what they paid for.

Also, for the record, lashing out affected the pre-order issue.

slamfunction.7462:

First thought: Its amazing to see one of the game’s strongest, most vocal supporters cast doubt on what has been done and said.

Second thought: I really want to thank ANet for trying to make a go of this game, but i feel its done. Its over. I really hope that the talented artists, IT folk, programmers, and writers find other companies to work for to make their talent shine. As for “Mo”…well, maybe we’ll see him and Bill Roper grow a strong friendship, since they both have something in common. And that is, they flagshipped a ton of people,

Even with his (infectious) enthusiasm, WP doesn’t shy away from legitimate and well thought out criticism, which is why I watch his videos.

Morfedel.4165:

Lord talk about rivers of tears.

Let’s talk about what’s the best thing for the game, we’re only a small fraction of people have legendaries but everybody plays content. What do you think is more important for the masses as a whole?

I am not saying they should have canceled legendary development, but if it’s coming down to a matter of more content or more legendaries, I think it’s pretty clear that more content is more important for the player base as a whole.

Legendaries are content.