Guild Wars 2

I had trouble with thieves on my Mesmer till I l2p’d and levelled up a bit.

Now I realise I’ve got a quite perfect toolkit to deal with them

Likewise the above posters.

A small well drilled, tactically driven group, with excellent class knowledge can be devastating to far larger groups I’ve been in 15man groups that felled 40man zergs. They can also be put to excellent use on lower tier servers by pushing towers/camps/keeps when your opponents are already stretched.

Definitely for either small or big groups the Mesmer provides an incredible skill set.

But equally all classes play an important role. The larger the scale the less detrimental individual classes are to outcomes. But equally the larger the group, the more effective I think Guardians become (even though they are great for all groups)

In small scale fights, personally, I would say there is never a substitute for coordinated and well timed burst.

At times this matchup has all the hallmarks of the one we were just subjected to in tier 8 last week. Time depending WSR can dominate with near +600, which I don’t like much :/ We’ve had plenty of good fights within the peak FoW hours and the times when Vabbis guilds have a good push (especially when they both push at the same time).

I’ve seen faces this week I haven’t seen for 3weeks (commanders included in that, have they been afk in LA for a month?), lot of PvE people playing WvW this week -_- that’s telling when you look at a map and find upgraded towers/keeps being flipped without any defence, and when you ask about defence you get the “we let them have it because we can just flip it back once they’ve gone”. Say goodbye to your gold upgraders I swear some people don’t even know what siege is, or what it actually does, let alone know when/where to place it when under attack

I’ll come on my own and bring down whole keeps solo!

Ed: First attempt unsuccessful, NW Garr gate 99.999%. Someone res plx

I don’t know what the plans are for WSR, from an organisational POV for this event, I’m assuming there are no plans and people won’t be at the party type thing ;s

I’ll come say orright on mumble, in me best yorkshire twang though to make up for it.

Echoing all the good feeling, thanks from me to all the players in both GH and RoF for this past few weeks.
The fights have been close, the skirmishes fierce and well fought, the spirit its all been carried out has been fantastic. You’ve been admirable opponents, and good sports.

I’ll be watching fondly how you both do in your new matchups next week, and rooting for you both to succeed in them!

Best of luck, and hope to have a nice close fight if we ever meet again

As a member of a guild in the bottom tier.

This is probably going to be a crippling problem, and may have already killed WvW here, at least in an upwardly mobile sense.

Prior to this announcement we’ve had to rebuild and grow with bigger guilds going up tiers to new servers. With this announcement we’ve lost guilds, and individuals have started to leave in large numbers. As a small low tier realm, there was always the prospect of people moving down to us to escape the rat race at the top. We’re not attractive at all for a paid transfer, and anyone PvP minded will be scorned to select us from a competitive perspective.

I personally am considering a change now before the paid transfer myself :// I wouldn’t consider it at all were it to remain free.

I had a bit of a night off last night, noticed RoF doing a cracking job when I went to do the puzzle though We had a sizeable group of GH in our borders till very late on, and nobody really fancied organising something interesting to do, I think we’ve had our fun for the week now after Tuesdays fun

Watching the clock till the reset here.

I love the causality of it all, when you set foot onto the map and make waves, it has an effect on someone elses gameplay, and you can compare notes after on the forum with the opposition on a hard nights warfare.

I can roam with a decent size group and have immense fun killing non scripted opposition, whilst having a crack on team speak with the guild.

Its a very team based mode of gameplay too which I love, and whilst it can seem slightly unrewarding, its down to you to create your fun going out and making plays, its incredibly rewarding for me to see my team do well, or to outmanouvre our opposition to great effect in the form of towers/camps/keeps

We definitely had fun that’s for sure. I think when your on such a hiding to nothing you have to try make your own fun. It can get stale when you just go through the motions.

The group late at night (UK time around 9pm-2am) from WSR that I’ve rolled with this week have forged a quite good working partnership, despite not having voice chat inter group we’ve had some monumental over the odds skirmish wins, I’d not say we had the sheer destructive force of the CHvc group, or the coordination of NP on the attack, but we can turn over a zerg while ‘retreating’ really well now, and knowing when to turn defence into an extremely aggressive attack has become a near art form. Its been such a good learning experience

I’m sure we’ll all reflect fondly on this matchup, dramas blobbing and tsssking aside its mostly all been in good spirit and I’m sure we all took lessons away from each other

pejot.4806:

Unfortunately we couldn’t sneak attack our keep, as there was already a number of GH camping our spawn when I came, which were eager to defend the keep later :P

ahhh we thought we’d blown it when some of our group took the supply camp before we’d even got the 2nd golem built.

Definitely wouldn’t have even entertained the plan if we had people being spawn camped when we got into the map

pejot.4806:

Oh yes, I was a bit disappointed that when we finally retook our EB keep after like 2h long siege, WSR seemed to retake their corner without any major resistance :P as most of GH were busy in our part ^^

We retook it with no resistance with 5 golems, you were a handy distraction although we had no idea of numbers of either side down there and originally thought “wow RoF trying the same thing too”. Then we were a bit pre-occupied with getting our keep back before you did (we thought it was a nice little race, but you clearly had most of the resistance)

I think we hit the map simultaneously, but we spent time making the golems without raising suspicions by running supplies from our own borders The element of surprise is a powerful tool, and we spent more time in preparation than we did in execution.

Steelo.4597:

Meh im just frustrated because i went offline before cool kitten started Zerging 3-4 hours around your garrisons make one want to /ragequit this game.

:( for the past 3 weeks I’ve not gone to bed until either: Our bl is retaken, or we’ve done some cool kitten this has meant some very late 2,3,4am finishes before work the next day at 7am hahaha sleep deprivation ftw there is a very busy bunch of late finishers on WSR haha

Steelo.4597:

there was indeed a gap in our coverage because everyone was so kittening bored of camping woodhaven and cliffside on WSR and RoF for hours and hours they simply logged off. In my case i was offline reading the forum while this happened. With you guys waiting for Xaoc going to bed before you make an effort the people of Gunnar’s are bored to kitten during the first half of our primetime and just dont play anymore.

We don’t wait for Xaoc to head to bed to make plans we wait till we get blue in the face trying to recover the situation in our borders and decide, “na it’s pointless”, we leave it and go have some fun instead
We lose numbers across this time period too, just not as significant a number as you do, the difference at this time is we aren’t over stretched defending it all like you are (and we have closer numbers to you) :P When you’re over stretched you have to make quick choices about what’s more important to lose/defend thankfully for us, our border and RoFs EB keep were more important to you than your own keep and SM.

About 70% of our work in EB was done with the outmanned debuff FYI. How can you be bored when we gave you something to do? We had this same thing happen to us in the tier below when we were running +600. We got complacent, over stretched, didn’t defend what was important. The difference is we rallied, and made it imperative to stop the storm before we lost too much face Even the best server of the matchup can learn some humbling lessons sometimes, and I wish you the very best of luck in the tier above while we’re languishing in the basement again ;x

hehe half the Stonemist team got our screenshots in the lords room and ported back to the WP we rallied again, when we heard the numbers were even and we could have some good fights before letting you have it back (since we’d had our fun). As Skwas said, the idea (after we got bored of RoF taking easy flips of our kitten for the trillionth night in a row), was to take back our keep in EB. Then we took back our whole corner. Then since we had golems and 4 Mesmers, we had a go at GH keep (which we got), then since you had full supp we made more golems and thought, why not try SM. So we made a plan, executed it, and danced a merry dance. Beyond that it wasn’t ‘defend SM at all cost’, it was ‘get screenies and mothball’

@Demannu, there were more than enough people to cover both your keep in EB and SM. Your numbers were preoccupied with WSR bl and RoF EB keep defense. They didn’t prioritise your crown jewels, maybe slightly complacent, also minimal cover for either of them to raise alarms. It wasn’t a gap in your coverage as your trying to suggest, your numbers matched the WSR numbers, I can only assume a communication breakdown. If the persons ‘defending’ your keep reported 5 golems there, you should have given up everything to find and kill them before losing something else. This wasn’t an attack you could zerg out, I’m terribly sorry

You repelled RoF at your South gate, but neither they nor you noticed me sneak through past you all on my lowbie Mesmer, no checks, no nothing

You just wouldn’t leave Arah

I had been sat inside the Bay for 1hour waiting for you to get bored of meat grinding our worst pugs with the predictable portal rushes, while the rest of the organised group waited inside Longview. Eventually they got bored of waiting and ran down to join the lemmings, got you to back off.

I disconnected inside the Bay just as we were ready to steal it from under your noses with a coordinated backdoor portal rush)) I was not happy hahaha

Jimmy JimBob.2801:

40 people should be more than enough to cause a nuisance

That’s what we were doing isn’t it

Growltiger.3450:

How much interest is there across RoF / WSR, and would you be interested in a post match mumble get together?

Growl

I don’t mind a bit of banter on voice chat regardless of fighting

But I wasn’t kidding earlier, we simply don’t have that many active players in wvwvw on WSR ;s You’ve been fighting about 40 people all week

We have a warm fuzzy feeling when we encounter the walking ball of lootbags

lOKI.8152:

Lost my last bit of interest in WvW the moment i heard Xaoc was transfering over. 3 Options now: Stay out of WvW at all, transfer to one of our enemies or another tier. That from someone who has been on GH since prelaunch.

GH is now back again, playing the numbers game. This time with the numbers on their side.

You will go up a tier next week, the numbers will even out a lot more. There’s a positive buzz about GH right now, and the organisation and core of the server seem very strong and capable. I’d not be hasty to jump ship, even with the borg joining (however temporarily that will be).

Guild flaming wars?

Roo Stercogburn.9671:

Nerf work making me miss this fun. Mutter mumble mumble mutter.

Nerf work, making me wake up at 7am despite having taken part in more fun (and having another 2am finish) :’(

COFFEE PLEASE

Our small roam is strong, Skwas will typically roam 10 people covering the bl’s with great success usually. Overblobbing randomly is due to the large number of pick ups and new players arriving on WSR after Christmas Its virtually impossible to control the ebb and flow of the WSR blob, because its entirely disorganised. Put a blue icon on the map and people follow it like flies on kitten

There are very few organised and well drilled guilds within WSR in wvwvw Those that do remain for the most part are good, but are having to teach the ropes left right and centre to people unfamiliar with the game, let alone wvwvw at large ;> Usually we end up forming roaming groups inter guild (such as the one which took GH bay last night).

skwas.9873:

Personally this does not seem like a very enticing thought to me. Culling, lag, etc. More then likely we will roam other area’s. In fact, I think it’s too bad if this goes ahead. Removes an opportunity for last day sneak attacks to the ‘safe’ GH border :p We’ve tried it before and both failed and succeeded before. It’s just a matter of picking time and place. Guess friday is out of the question then.

Shhhhhhhhhhh ;P You’re giving too much away !

I like Bay windows, they remind me of that time we just took a fully upgraded keep from GH borders in response to the insert high number group that took the kitten a little on ours worth the exchange imo (although the Borg will have it upgraded by the morning I’m sure).

also…
Tssssk NP, get your own ideas, I was willing you on at their Garr when we ran out, but mopping up our sloppy seconds on the whole map and getting drilled by a pony team at a camp ;s You forgot to let us take that last tower before coming to flip it though ;x

Confirming there aren’t 200 active wvw’rs on WSR at any time

NP are fearsome, coordinated, and really good at their job.

Good luck if you move on guys

Neandramathal.9536:

Some may be, others certainly aren’t. I am one of the latter. I prefer to be outnumbered.

o7

Wish the rest of them were like you Not seen much of IMP at all this week

While it might be disheartening to be looking at a green map in a morning. There is a great sense of pride turning the place back the right way round, especially against overwhelming odds

I’m growing to love the against the odds victories so much its worth the massive pummellings on the way. Its so satisfying destroying a larger force with a small one Unfortunately the Russians wake up earlier than the rest of our server matchup so its to be expected we’ll wake up to a green desert

fab.3298:

I think that we on GH could have handled the move of Xoac a little better. We know what it’s like to be outnumbered and know that it results in bitterness and dull gameplay. Ideally we would have asked Xoac to hold off for a few days and let us play out this match before switching, but we were all excited and got caught up in the momentum of it all. I don’t regret welcoming Xaoc to GH, they’ve been very pleasant and they fit in very well, but i do regret that we created further imbalance in a match-up that was already getting rather one sided.

I won’t be posting in this thread again since it’s getting a little too flamey, but i’d like to wish WSR and ROF the best of luck in the weeks and months ahead.

I don’t think you can shoulder much blame for when they arrive

Sure they completely screwed the pooch balance wise, buttttttt /careface…

I like GH though :/ I don’t want to see you hop up the tiers and see them do the same to you as they did to errr everyone they seem to come in contact with. I know you’ll relish fair fights and good competition, that’s what the core of GH is about. But they lasted 10mins on Vabbi when they realised it wasn’t a roflstomp to high tier anymore

I think the numbers GH fielded weren’t always a help for them (clearly a lot of PvE players been mobilised), their groups were regularly disjointed, positioned awfully, using rams instead of ranged siege, and getting kittened in group skirmishes through poor general play.

We eventually turned them over with sheer belligerence and bloody minded will. We’ve learnt a great deal about beating greater numbers this weekend. I don’t think we mind too much being an underdog on WSR, people don’t seem to give up, there’s always a plan B, C, D etc to get the keep/tower we’re after, and coordination, communication and willingness to listen seems better for this past two weeks.

fab.3298:

@ventus, Yesterday we had a go at ROF garrison as well. They caught us at the inner and within 30s-1min the place was swarming with defenders. By the end of it we had been wiped twice and i was running around half naked from broken armour. It was a great response and defence by them.

We had 8ppl, 5 golems, rotating 4 mesmers to portal them safely. We had the outer gate 50% before we got spotted, and got the inner down without issue before they could build any siege inside.

They rallied just as we got in though, about 10 plus the lord. I tried to hide but got bashed in by the quaggan lightning damage >.< which was annoying. the group checking their vista that I was going to evade/hide from mopped me up

Had a fantastic afternoon and evening fighting our way out of a mess in the BL yesterday.

My kill count went through the roof! It got to the point where I’d been skirmishing so much with the roaming defence group, that we could engage any odds and we would expect to come out victorious. Like playing Russian roulette with un-upgraded towers

Confidence plays a big part, there are some very nervous pve’rs out there.

After we’d turned the bl red again, we decided to do a bit of a logistics/training session, and built 5 golems to attack RoF bl garrison. We knew we didn’t really have enough people to do it, but tried anyway Kudos to the RoF defence for their quick response, we had the lord on low health but would never have been able to finish the job after you’d rallied

The rebuilding process begins next week

It won’t be for much longer

The parasitic server hopping from the higher tiers has upset a lot of server balancing. BUT next week I believe RoS will go up, and WSR should go down. WSR might have had gross success versus Vabbi and FoW before, but we lost a large portion of our playerbase this past couple of weeks so it might be more even than before :/

Toxikthrash.2704:

I will not explain the reasons but would say that you would do the same in our position.

I would most certainly not welcome them in.

Get their booty pummelled in high tier, drop their whole alliance on one of the smallest realms to ‘create a wvw dynasty’… Someone else does the same and hands them their kitten (cos lets be fair they are garbage in skirmishes It’d take 10 CHvc to work a 40man Xaoc zerg over) so they decide, NOOOO FAIR FIGHT, and try find the next wagon to band on with (unfortunately for you, it was you).

GH always said you had been in our position, tbh our position hasn’t ever been great, and this is the second time we’ll have to rebuild from the bottom tier, butttttt you had a similar fate befall you, and you’ll see it happen again with these kind of wasters joining in while the goings good, cos they’ll leave just as quick when it isn’t :s

GH would have been my first and only choice of server to move to if WSR had imploded, your spirit and organisation are fantastic. But recruiting stable quality players would have been a better idea imo

A good one week. The previous one was spoilt somewhat due to influx of players into Gh, and this one decimated by the influx of nearly double the numbers of active wvw players into the already highest active server. This was about fair fights and good matchups for you, then you recruited it out of proportion, you’ll go up two tiers, and these wayfairers will abandon you like they abandoned their other servers I know you said you’d been there, so why on earth put yourselves through it again

Soon as you get to a tier where your numbers don’t count you’re going to lose these people. They are garbage. We killed a Xaoc zerg of about 40 today with a miserly group of 20. Its an embarrassment to watch.

Now please hurry up and move on so the rest of us can enjoy the fair fights you used to hold dear

Recap half the map, 40man zerg inc, lose the whole map. Rinse repeat for 6days.

Yeah gh pretty much sucked the fun and equality out of the matchup now, we’re having our fun competing with RoF though, they seem to have lost a bit of spirit :/

And confirming [TCS] were not a major loss to WSR, losing any guild is difficult especially 20 or so active wvw players, but you won’t find many people here who have a positive word to say about the [TCS] commander GH have my utmost respect for the way they execute their wvw, they have some powerful well drilled guilds who play really well together. [TCS] are holding those coat tails tight, being dragged to glory they’d not have reached on WSR for sure Enjoy your fights.

Yeah they’ve further spoilt an already imbalanced matchup. GH now really does outnumber everyone 3-1, even RoF. I hope you guys bundle up a few quick tiers so you can get those ‘fair fights’. Just hope all these glory hunters you keep bringing in don’t drop you too hard when the fights get fair again (cos my god that is a lot of glory hunters now)

Teutooni.9572:

Well I feel this is more like little sister tickling her older brother just to see when he’ll snap and start chasing, as opposed to the somewhat more serious fights we’re having with RoF. Yes, 10 people can be a threat. I don’t want to give you any ideas, but 10 could quickly golemrush an entire BL at certain time of day when there is literally no defenders online.

Most definitely, we’re the kitten of the matchup currently. The wvw equivalent of the knock and run lol

That’s what I mean about the few people I’m the kind of person who would do just that too. Although maybe not at silly o’clock, its way more fun doing it right under the peak periods defence without them having time to react with the right planning.

Some of our commanders have swapped focus from our BL into EB encroachment, and tower de-grading this week. The SM attacks have been persistent, and afaik, literally only continue because they are an annoyance lol.

We’re always a threat, since it only takes 10 people to embarrass either side I think we’ve mostly just been focussed on the ‘kittens n giggles’ this week

No I think we could do considerably better than we currently are, but a lot of people are by now resigned to the situation and have stopped pouring gold/time and certainly coordinated effort into a lost cause till we’re back down a tier where we belong

There is the occasional poke for the hell of it. We’ve had a couple of nice runs round EB the past few days to downgrade some towers.

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

That should be a lesson to WSR for next week. If we see you in numbers somewhere outside your border, we’re coming to mess your kitten up. I promise.

I think I can speak for everyone on WSR, when I say, we really don’t care (just look how SM is still being attacked 24/7 with trebs even though it pee’s off GH) We took our entire BL’s back, and went roaming into the ‘easy target’ with almost everyone who took it back instead of upgrading/defending it again (since that’s virtually impossible now we’re so heavily outmanned) I’ll see you in the RoF bl’s

WSR perspective, the GH/RoF numbers don’t seem too dissimilar (well at times GH seems to have an advantage, like weekends), GH seem by far and away better organised and coordinated, you can tell so much that they’re communicating with each other inter guild.

Well I always see it as kicking a hornets nest personally. In years gone past, in a more dominant leadership position within a 500 person alliance, on a different game, I would stomp hard on anything like that. In possibly an even more ruthless ways. Ho hum.

The thing is, we won’t take SM even if we number up (unless its 4am), and people don’t really get that. For some small part its probably seen as being a constant thorn in the side of the enemy we couldn’t touch meaningfully otherwise. But in most senses I expect its counter intuitive ;(

I’m quite certain as long as we’re red there’s going to be somebody doing there own thing attacking SM with a treb thinking its somehow a good idea :s

You’ll have to excuse the level of disorganisation, I don’t think its a concerted effort

Last week our quietest night of border defence was the coordinated SM assault though, so maybe some logic to the madness

This week has been tough going so far. We’ve been barely able to defend anything let alone be too attack minded :/ Outnumbered from all sides. If I knew how to PvE in this game, that’s what I’d be doing now till we go back down a tier

I’ve mostly been rolling around with my low level ranger this week thoough. Had a great 1v1vdolly with an 80 Mesmer yesterday till people came to ‘help’ me and the Mes ran off while it was a very fun duel, I don’t quite understand how I managed to survive on a lvl 7 ranger vs anybody level capped let alone over about 2-3mins of sparring ;>

I hope [TEO] can bring some joy to one or more of your borders for this weeks offensive training when it eventually happens

Props to the Dreaming Bay defence for making cleanup a difficult task tonight

We were scratching our heads for a second wondering how to get the job done. In the end, me acting as spotter for the trebs to down most of the ballista. Followed by a timely portal bomb to remove the last of it. Followed by a regroup, and a final portal bomb behind your lines then rush.