Guild Wars 2

No nit-picking.
Just interfering here quickly. Neither server is at fault overall for the glicko system anet employs for match-up determiation. There have been countless suggestions/comlains that anet should change the system on how match-ups are determined and nothing has been done. Even at that one point where anet wanted to clean the slate they back-pedaled just the last minute.

Atm, sos can only go up with the “help” of higher servers having a black-out. On the same side cd will find it not quite so easy to go down even if they would try.

Luvpie.8350:

Porky.5021:

PurpleBackpackAttack.1462:

Man I dunno about you guys but has SoS and Yaks lost their spine. I’m tired of just walking over all their keeps. I log on and see some upgraded keeps, march on them with like 10 people, and they flee their walls.
Are they just farming wxp or actually terrored of DB.

Even when we come across a zerg of equal size they just run and hide to afraid of open combat.
TLDR: servers are cowards DB is manly.

Just farming WXP. We’ve had multiple commanders out the last few days who have openly said they will not defend anything. Their only goal is to cap as many undefended camps and towers as possible.

I, personally, think it sucks.

Before the patch DB used to zerg/travel with their guild tags like normal but after the WXP introduction DB guilds zerg together into a massive 70+ zerg and hop maps after completely taking over maps once and don’t back cap. Not Db’s fault, anet’s fault for making wxp easier to farm with giant groups. If they introduced a daily cap of wxp through capping structures and make kills count more and made defense give 10x as much wxp as offense people would defend more and upgrade stuff.

I might be true that the incentive could be different (and are disappointing atm) but the wvw people have been playing without it for some time now. Certainly there is no force (except the pve people) pressuring a wvw commander into “farming zergs”. They choose to do this on their free will so i am sorry to say, its not really that easy just blaming behaviour on incentives. Its still the server/guilds/players that decide to do that. And it is pretty frustrating for those that have been always playing for fun (whatever your personal definition might be) to be now caught up in this scenario on ones server, no matter what the score.

P.s. : and for sos, the strict refusal to actually pull of some orga outside aussi time might be not such an advantage

Pendragon.8735:

SoS has a empty period that must be like 12 hours long, they just aren’t on the maps. YB is holding out as best we can vs the endless DB hordes, but you really need 3 teams for the mechanics to work right.

This is actually not true. The period where it would “theoretically” go down is only 3 hours. But in comparison to NA pt the other timeframes needs a lot more cooperation and integration of militia on sos.
What you see now is actually the same thing that we had in t1 and t2 – ignore the overpowering masses on those tier- which is that people see that they got almost nothing and a lot just dont bother or simply troll the maps making it worse for the few other people trying to pull something off. We are not yet that good at working and learning from failures. So one needs to wait quite a while until the trolls gone off at least.

Also, as soon as it goes down like that quite a bunch of commanders are missing in action. The ones that are actually trying to pull something are always the same and those guilds funnily enough never get mentioned here.

This all combines with the fact that sos seems to have a firm belief that when activly camped we need to take our part back first before attacking instead of just attacking the enemy side while a few retake our own in the background. Diversion is a word not often heard.
We also have so fare little to no handle on splitting in smaller groups to pull of stuff which db seems to do quite well. And sometimes we tend to treb the upgraded wall for an hour instead of having a go at the paper gate.

Its all friendly banter and more fun now that people dont play for ppt that much anymore but those trolling situations are really frustrating at times.

Good fights from yesterday all around.

I cannot judge NA time but from what I have seen the servers are not that unbalanced as some might think. SoS is still on the way of recovering from the last 2 weeks of jq and has yet to learn new startegies such as dealing with the friendly stomp group of wm.
Soon even the pugs will jump that FA zerg. :P

Overall i am not worried as long as the fights are good.

Pixelninja.6971:

Some fair fights in SoS Borderland. JQ wanted the SoS Garrison really badly and spend many hours to siege it down, but we lost a good portion of our map.

Score-update:

Was the way point up in garri? Cannot see it but i got a reason for asking.

for everything else here, i am honestly in a “eyebrow raising” moment
Every good t3 server can teach you a thing on how to run a “night shift” and play defense. They can also prolly tell you how to properly work wuvwuv by utilizing whatever you have (and being willing to do so in terms of a community sense that includes everyone) without stress.
I have the feeling here the servers are so relying on the guilds only that you never learned to work with pugs/ small guilds) or, for that matter, build up a rep with them. They will not “push out” with you otherwhise. There are commanders in t2/t3 that know how to work the crowd, even managing to get pve people in.
I am not denying guilds their status, i am just saying there is more to it than only recruiting whole guilds.

Nevertheless, judging by what I saw, I would not dare understimating one side or the other. Choo keeps derailing on sos as well, when there are more than a few level 80 on besides the many peeps plaing up alts :P. And I keep wondering if you guys on jq are happy in terms of gameplay (not ppt) with a 50k lead and no opposition….but i guess that is not the question one should ask in t1. Good thing we are upping that garri every time so you get something to do :P

taikerr.6205:

In the end of the day, it’s a game. It’s meant to be fun, but if I am coming home to get stressed over stuff that has little to do with the actual game and more to do with the politics that revolve around it. Well, that generally is not a good time.

^ This I agree with.

Taking a stand is allright and very good. But I just like to mention that from an outside view (yeah, i did bandwagon to SOS for eu pt) all this is exactly what is keeping me from joining a new guild or even the community ts (not native english speaker, so afarid i wont understand the slang there). I don`t want to hear about all this drama or whatever that is and where ever it came from and all the people shaking their invisible crystall ball about the future because they cannot let go of the past.
Some weeks ago everything was quite fine, even with less people and guilds there was a good and most of all friendly communication eu pt. It`s like loosing the last tower in the map, you either start complaining or you can take the view that now it can only improve from there on. Ppt also looked differently as a result.
All 3 servers need now to adjust to the new circumstances which takes time. SoS has been doing great afaik in regards to working on that and letting stuff like this creep into the game is not good. I have never read the mentioned website and do not plan on, but if its brougth to chat and forum here I notice.

During the week not the jq mass was what made us loose EB; it was kitten-talk in chat that basically emtpied EB at eu pt demoralizing ppl.

I really hope that will tone down soon.

Just floating by to give this a slight push.
I actually transfered from the EU side over for scouting because we thought that everyone would not join the top server therefore doing exactly this would create a nice balance.Unfortunately the announcement of guesting being divided by NA/EU put an end on those plans but I ended up staying and am wondering if one of the german guilds turned up on SOS or we have a mixed one for all the indiviual peeps. I have seen a few new guilds with a force but none i remember myself (although I recognized one on JQ side). But weekends make it diffitult to judge timezones anyway.

I can vouch that it`s a nice community and compared to the EU/german side you guys are all absolutly fluffy. Play style seems different though. I have never seen maps with that many commanders but on the other hand not much on sniping, sneaks, diversion and defence but that might be because I am sitting on a low work connection this week until thursday (getting dcs every few minutes which makes me a litte bit useless this round) and having simply not seen it or been on during the wrong time.

And so far on the gmt timeline I can confirm there is no issues on waiting time for wvwvw, which is absolutly nice compared to playing primetime EU. I am hoping this has not to turn into PvDooring any time soon and that all upper servers will manage to bring up a force for the respective timelines.

On the bandwagoning, as you guys call it, I cannot comment. Naturally it seems a big concern on EU side, but there is no use of joining a lower NA server to escape eu prime time probs not because they are not good but more because there would not be any competition, at least on the EU time frame.

Good luck everyone and see ya in game (hoping to give you JQ a beating once i get a good connection and actually see you killing me :P)

Kodash is nothing if not adaptable. Where some great fights. Still I have a question for FS.
Why do you guys tend to attack the the tower directly in front of our/Kodash spawn pointon BL when kodash owns it already instead of working on our own tower in front of your spawn point? I have now repeatingly seen this on piken BL where FS came to attack our tower (while owning nothing else besides maybe a camp), once even building a trebuchet. Kodash has developed a certain attachement to such towers and ofc it causes most of the respawn of ours to go defend there, forcing a whipe on you guys. And even more, it causes attention to wander from attacking piken to you guys when you are already on the low side. It this not very frustating?

Hey,
just like to add a little bit of something to what Grey said regarding last night on BL Kodasch dreambay. Kodasch did assault dreambay around two am. It was a legitimate attacke since desolation and seefarer rest were busy hitting on the doors of etheron. We got through the outer wall but then got countered on the inner wall and beaten back. While doing this, mesmers tried to stay hidden and succeeded until you guys discovered them. This in itself is no cheating.

How the thief came to be in there I cannot say. This is for the thief and his guild to answer. But well timed vanishes after the assault could as well be the answer, especially if there was an assault before that.

Good games so far though