Guild Wars 2

What is the confusion here? They have an economist to look into the TP and the economy in general. The game economy is based on supply & demand which, like any other market, is occasionally manipulated by one or more rich people and/or exploits .

(how can someone exploit the real world economy? Oh I don’t know, perhaps securitization of trash mortgages which are then rated AAA and sold to pension plans?)(http://www.marketplace.org/topics/business/fallout-financial-crisis/financial-crisis-101-cdos-explained).

We all know precursors are insane right now, and ANet has mentioned the topic several times so they are aware of it and at the very least investigating ways to make them more accessible. As far as other materials, some are used in popular recipes (Charged Lodestone) and others aren’t (Glacial Lodestone). My guess would be that ANet’s method of addressing this, if it even thinks it’s worth addressing, would be to release some recipes that use the less valuable lodestones and stop releasing recipes that use the more valuable lodestones. No matter what is done, some materials will always be more valuable than others; in other words, don’t hold your breath for the day when all T6 mats have values within 1% of each other lol.

Just so you know, Kunst’s group (level 71, EU, last I saw) is made of Guardian (Kunst), Ele x 3, +1.

That’s right, Ele x3.

Thought that info might be useful in this particular thread.

I know Eles are extremely strong. I don’t play one, but after wasting my time getting a lolnecro to 80 I realized I should have made an Ele. I’m curious to know what the Eles themselves think will be modified about the class. I know Mist Form and AoEs are in the crosshairs, but what about D/D?

I’m going to wait after the patch to decide anything, but I thought I’d throw the question out there.

PS I am NOT trying to secretly say “nerf ele” or anything like that. I have never played the class. I think the people who have played Ele for awhile will have some insights into what may or may not be changed about the class.

Riften.9247:

I started as a thief, then it got boring, everyone thinks they’re OP and, well, they are. So I literally went online to seek out what’s the hardest class to play and underpowered, and the answer seemed to be Elementalist.

Oh and, Ride the lightning definitely was something I just wanted to have.

“underpowered”? Ele? Interesting perspective.

Fizzlepip.5218:

SteepledHat.1345:

I really do find it very unlikely that this is happening. I don’t see Anet allowing it to go on if it were. Wouldn’t that violate their free market philosophy?

There’s a member in another thread that said he has a friend that at one time owned 15 Dusks and was doing exactly this. Even going as far as mentioning that that friend had him place multiple offers for Dusk to drive the price up.

Here’s the link: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/crafting/Precursor-Scavenger-Hunt-1/first#post1084738

It’s happening; ANet is allowing it. And I don’t blame the people either. I’d be doing it too if I knew what the kitten any of this meant at launch. I loathe the system that says you must work hard for it, but rely on luck to actually get it.

Also, @ xWESTsidex.4980: How many tries? I’d love to, but simply don’t trust the “RNG” system. It’s a horrible way to “earn” something.

Luckily i got The Lover from the Mystic Forge but yeah I agree someone was buying them out. But this isn’t the only precursor this is happening to and whenever the scavenger hunt comes, hopefully the people controlling the market get burned.

This is exactly what’s happening. I’ve seen people with 20+ The Legend. This is all (or mostly) due to the Godskull mystic forge “bug” (I use quotes because I am sure ANet built this in for themselves and their friends, and when the actual public found out – probably from 1 friend telling another – then they removed the “bug” —but not the items!).

I think at this point, with gold sellers becoming well established, either the people who originally made 20-100 of each precursor are buying and raising prices, or that the gold sellers are buying all the precursors in order to force the price up in order to encourage people to spend money at their website. I strongly suspect the latter of the scenarios.

Lol.

I was reading a thread in the Guardian forum titled “Armor is Useless” and it had this post in there talking about eles.

“Because water 30 is too overpowered in ele, but nerfing it makes the offensive trees even more horrendous for survival than they are now. (imagine thief squishiness with necro damage… bleh!)”

It was just so hilariously on point that I had to post it.

“And necro survivability is awesome. Don’t listen to them above. What necro lacks in escape, avoids, blocks and all those nonsense (which will be covered by your team anyway since you should usually play harder/hardest stuffs in teams, and if you’re alone it don’t matter a necro can’t die on PVE content) , they more than make up for it with their vast amount of hp (double that up with DS).”

This is laughably false. Try legendary grawl shaman at 40+ where if you are out of endurance when he shoots at you, you have no other avoidance/blocks – let’s see how DS handles that one. The necro’s only real way of avoiding a boss move is dodge, and it has no natural way to accelerate endurance regen.

At any rate, there’s no reason to continue helping out in this thread.

It sounds like you want to make a necro and you are looking for a bunch of people to reassure you. Ele is a better class; the end.

“In PvE the Necro is the God of survivability”
—> No. If your measuring stick is random mobs in Orr, and you are running say Dagger and 20 blood magic, sure you will be fine; as will almost every other single class (sorry Mesmer unless you want to blow good cooldowns). On any actually difficult content, the lack of Vigor/escapes/meaningful heals/blocks vastly overwhelms the Necro’s abilities. A Necro is like a Mesmer without clones or Vigor or Distortion. If there is damage, the Necro is going to take that damage and then will have to heal it. It’s extremely sad that the “attrition based” profession’s heal abilities are about 10x worse than Omnomberry Ghost, which costs 5s and can be used by any profession in the game.

“Currently the necromancer has 3 basic viable choices for builds. Power, Conditions, or Hybrid. The only one of those which the necro does better than any other class is conditions.”
—> My bleed warrior stacks bleeds better AND is auto attacking for 2k while doing it. Sword and Rifle base bleed are longer than Scepter’s, and the warrior trait is +50% bleed duration not +20%. The Curses XI trait is needed to make the durations comparable.

“Power builds can pump out serious damage, just take a look at Nemesis’ Glass Cannon build”
—> If you are willing to glass cannon, an axe warrior’s damage will absolutely destroy anything a necro can do…even only using auto attacks. My survival warrior (0 power, 0 precision) auto attacks for 2k and axes attack quickly. Yes if you use Axe 2 and have full power and crit you might see a big number. Then what, wait 6-8 seconds? Other professions do far more damage.

“All in all, I still find the Necro to be the most fun profession even if it is the under dog. I’m expecting (more hoping, really) for some good changes either this month, or next month (although thats what I said about Nov and Dec too). Hope this helps!”
—> This is pretty much my opinion too. Fingers crossed

Do you play fractals? The only boss this matters at all on, in any way shape or form, is Legendary Grawl Shaman and that is only because the Lava Elementals are just straight up stupid design.

EDIT:
“The Lava Shaman and his adds cry at the sight of Shield, and the Shaman will dutifully kill himself AND his adds by shooting into WoR. "
—>Never mind, I can see that you don’t play fractals at all lol.

Yojack do you still play? Any comments/updates/thoughts since your last post?

I am pretty disappointed with my necro (in primarily PvE and WvW play). Think of Ele attunements as 4 weapon swaps instead of the standard 2, and you get buffs when you swap, and all of a sudden it doesn’t sound so bad does it. I don’t think the Necro does much dmg; to do the most you stack bleeds, which is already a crowded condition due to the 25 cap (so many classes bleed), and to stack bleeds you basically have to stand within 900 and auto attack with scepter. Think about it, in most any encounter that you can stand within 900 and AA, is that a hard encounter? Many skills are bugged (e.g. Spectral Grasp is spectral, but it sure as hell never grasps anything (“out of range” “obstructed” “blocked” “evaded” or just plain fails)). Minions are like having three year old children with you at all times, if they see something interesting then off they go (small caveat – the flesh wurm teleport is sweet) and they also die to random aoe any and everywhere. WvW, necros don’t tag especially well (only staff is 1200 and the marks except for 4 don’t hit very hard). Condition removal is everywhere so you can stack your stuff and it will gone quickly. Now this is from more of a zerg or large group fight, 1v1 they are quite good. Survivability – wrong, Ele is better. Why? Ride the LIghtning. If the ele doesn’t like the fight it just leaves. Ele d/d is spectacular survivability. The problem is that Necros have no real escapes and no source of vigor. I would much rather my Necro be an ele, no matter how hard I try to like him.

Encounters are simply not based on attrition. Example – Lava eles on legendary grawl shaman fractal. You don’t have a chance to stack conditions and then Epidemic and even if you did you’d be dead anyways because they just shoot you for 1-2k, so you die then they die. Yay.

Things that I think would really help Necro:
1. They need MUCH BETTER self-healing. You cannot win an attrition fight when your self heals are for 40-50hp. No I am not joking; that is what our Blood Magic 15 and V heal for AFTER being traited with Blood Magic II.

2. Scepter needs to be 1200. Even if you are a condition necro, you will be stuck using staff in many big fights. I do LOVE scepter’s current 3 skills (aside from bleed being main condition).

3. Staff marks need to be improved. 4 is excellent, the others could use some help, even if it is just cd reduction. Marks need to be useful v downed players because at the moment I think only 1 mark can damage a downed player.

4. Having Bleed as our main condition is bad in many ways.

5. Epidemic is spectacular, leave it alone.

6. Dagger should be 600.

7. Axe should be 900.

8. Minions…I’ll just leave it at that.

9. DS just isn’t good enough besides 1v1. It’s not a “second life bar” because it drains on it’s own and you can’t heal your actual health nor use your utility or weapon skills.

I’ll just stop there because that’s already far more than will ever be fixed anyways.

PS – I’m not hatin! I REALLY want to love the necro class. I really really do. It’s just not there yet though.

I have a hard time thinking of a profession that will be less affected by AoE nerfs than the Guardian.

Vol.5241:

Xynn.2748:

John Smith.4610:

Vol.5241:

You are under no obligation to reveal that information John Smith, ignore these guys :P

I’d much rather talk about the economics of Guild Wars 2.

-How do you feel about controlling inflation? Do you think the gold sinks we have in the game are sufficient enough to keep the value of gold steady overtime?

Inflation is a really tricky topic. One important thing to understand about inflation (the EVE guys have done a great job explaining this) is that it isn’t a change in the quantity of money available, it’s a change in prices (not individual prices). It’s easy to double the money supply and not inflate the economy.
I won’t speak to our specific strategies, but there are a couple of different ways to go. An interesting strategy that not many people think about is allowing the economy to inflate a bit, then pulling the money back out in a cycle ( many countries do this, but not on purpose :P ) There are specific benefits to this, that only occur as benefits in games.

Good job understanding the narrow meaning of the term inflation while missing the overall point. Shockingly, “inflation” is commonly accompanied by an increase in (or concentration of) the money supply and/or fear. As hard as it is to believe, when people have more money, the price point in a competitive (scarce resource) market rises.

Sure thing Mr Economist

Actually it is a sure thing! And I deleted this post because it’s non-productive and would further derail this thread from a very interesting question – Can I Haz Moar Infografix?

EDIT: to clarify, I had posted such a snarky response because I had confused this thread with a thread right next to it in Dev Tracker which discussses the price of runes and in general is concerned with how expensive things are and how people are earning enough money to pay for it; I had thought the ANet poster was attempting to use a narrow technical definition in order to avoid addressing the overall point of the thread. My bad!

I think the main topic here is a request to provide instances of the visual representation of quantitative data (i.e. infographics). I think these are very neat and interesting and I’d like to see more.

Let’s leave inflation (and it’s connection to money supply), gambling, and snowflakes out of this

People aren’t buying keys because the chests are so bad. Chests cost 3c, why would I pay to open something that no one wants. ANet only makes money on chests when it’s a special chest (Wintersday, Halloween; and even the Wintersday interest died down at a laughably quick speed). Hope you get one of the new Contracts!

We’ve heard this “rewards will improve” story before, when dungeon loot was supposedly improved. Running level 40 fractals with 55% magic find, I find maybe 3-5 rares on a full run and then there is the maw chest with a couple cores and (what seems to always be) a random piece of Medium (only type I don’t need) armor.

Let’s see some items and some statistics. ANet’s qualitative statements have, for very many of us players, lost credibility.

Thank you for posting the patch notes at the same time as the patch was rolled out. It would be really great if ANet can continue posting notes right as the patch hits. Or, for a large patch, to put the notes up before the patch, so that many of the players can read through all the notes while the downloading and patching occurs. Some of us really like staying on top of the changes in the game as it grows.

-Xynn

I has some moves, and other people has some moves. It’s all good (ps fix necros plz)

PS virtues areant good or bad reallyl if you ru renewed virtue whch you should, and cleric gear as i do but a LOT of people do not (ok either way imo), then you can drop a 2kish heal on the group, maybe a hold the line (prot + regen) , and 2 dodges and bring someone whos ALMOST dead back to normal (they will never thank you fyi, they will chalk it up as “something weirdd happeend but hey who cares I’m good”) then that’s a good way to beat a fractal that you wouldn’t have if you didn’t do that. 1 Person die, 2nd rez then die (Hi mining suit bombs and everyone’s favoirte Imbued Shaman) and then you got 3/5 down cause 1 was a kitten and they gonna die anyway and then the 1 got downed and 2nd tried to save them. A few heals before we get to that place can help (PS hi cliffside, you hae a fun mechanic but you just take tooo long, eliminate the ankel seals altogether and put final fight to 3 phasses for real He dies after you break the seal when he’s on bone fiend mode).

PS is otre Dame really that bad, boring game to watch sadface

FYI from a lv fotm 35 guard , and my general experience. I woldn’t normally post becaue I dont think 35 is particularly high to where I should be saying anything, but hey it’s my thoughts.

I ran 0/10/30/30/0 fo a long time (AH & maxed symbols) to get whatever pug group I got through fractals.

If you use www.gw2lfg.com, which is fantastic, everyon eis a glass cannon, so you better hold it together or just wipe until it ‘s done. A lot of people are talking 15 radiance and then some virtues, but dredge are immune to blind and the svanir / ice eles aren’t likke a dime a dozen so recharging voj isn’t as sweet as thye’d have you belive. Anyone who’s ever tried to hold a panel in drudge can testify that you may get to the panel, but a few blinds (lol dredge) certainly arena’t making a didffferience.

Soldier’s runes are for condition removel in a shout build. If you need condition removal and you like shouts good fit. Otherwise, thik about buff duration or Dolyak (hi you basically give me Imp VoR a 20 talent trait). I don’t know what conditions, besides 25 vul stacks in Cliffside (LOL TAKES SO LONG SHORTEN THIS kitten UP GOOD MECHANIC IMO) would necessitate absolute resolution or any kind of I NEED CONDITION REMOVEL NOW particularly that protection (hammer) can’t cover.

Conclusion: in any kind of explorable dungeon (cof, ac, w/e), it really doesn’t matteer what you do. IN high end fractals, you need to figure out what works with that crew that you suually get (i.e. you always get a bunch of tanks? go dps). In something like Arah, who cares it’s a snooze fest that just takes a long time, don’t bring 3 low dps tanks. Anything else if your gropu is good you can play naked and who really care los scavengar lol their face glows kind of like malrone before they pounce, can dodge.

Great post. Well organized, factual, and informative. Can you post more often please, this is the kind of post players are looking for.

You’re welcome to form your own groups with whomever you want and using whatever rules you want. Just because you want to play the game a certain way doesn’t mean the rest of us should be forced to play that way.

This is pretty obvious imo…buy a common sense vitamin please…

I read the 1/3 notes, some Winter’s Day and yet another Mesmer nerf (the only thing guaranteed to happen every patch).

I’m doing some fractals, and a lot of things seem to have changed. But there’s nothing about it in the patch notes…hmm…must be observer error I suppose?

This needs to be elevated to a level of actual importance. I know that ANet only fixes stuff that benefits players and couldn’t care less about about stuff that kitten on players.

You said that you don’t work on the d/c issue, only on fixing exploits. Guess what. Go join the kittening team that’s working on d/c and make yourself useful.

ANet tried something new with the Mesmer concept and it was too much for them. They don’t know what to do with the class mechanics (phantasms/illusions and shatter) and I think they would rather just turn Mesmer into a traditional casting class.

ANet took a bold step in a new direction and found out that the ground was rocky and that they had forgotten to wear their shoes – time to turn around and head back to safer ground (nerf everything and figure it out later).

PS I love having you guys in my fractals due to some of the fantastic utilites they bring. Please keep the faith and know that the community understands that you work 300% harder for 80% as much.

Very fun to watch, +1

that is all. Here are the 15 characters that you want.

this is such a good thread. Thanks so much for keeping it updated with your thoughts.

Ditto, glad this is a known issue. I love the way the game sounds and I don’t like needing to restart (especially in dungeons!!!).

As a member I enjoy the people on TeamSpeak (company and humor) as well as the support in PvE and the various PvP parts of the game. We also have a solid infrastructure (TS server, plans, website, etc.) due a very devoted guild leader. Not a bad bunch to kill some Skritt with!

You no take candle!!! Oh wait wrong game.