Guild Wars 2

Tarinis.6054:

HOD/JQ/ET would be epic. ET realizes that its best to team up with number 2 to kill number 1. Not hold number ones hand

You’ve been told repeatedly by HoD and SBI why you get attacked: your defense are crap.

There is no alliance. There is stupid positioning and sieges by JQ. Learn to defend, learn to look at the map, learn to STRATEGIZE.

Keep this crap out of a positive thread.

HoD put up a great fight this match; JQ sometimes did, but seriously: learn to defend properly.

I’d say next match will be good, but I honestly don’t know if ET will be up to date on current strategy since they’re coming from a week of total domination. The days of the zerg winning the match are over; this is no longer 24 hour format. SBI and HoD has had a lot of time to refine strategy and learn the metagame.

I have to say that those of us over at HoD absolutely respect the level of game play SBI brings to the table every…single…night. There is no doubt that SBI has improved as a server and has forced HoD to rethink many of our tactics and become better as well.
We happen to be in the one bracket in NA that isn’t a landslide victory. Yes HoD has held the lead all week and widened the gap slightly every day, but we did not do it easily. We had to fight for every inch of ground, every supply camp, tower and keep. I have personally watched SBI grow more and more organized as a server and have no doubt that the time will come when SBI is #1. Mad respect.

We gave away many of our tactics too early for them to be of any surprise use. On Saturday, SM should have been ours if the culling issue wasn’t so prevalent.

On EB, you fought hard for those supplies! I made sure of it. I look forward to next match

Sezneg.8630:

My 2 Cents:

Right now HOD is the most organized, beastly server in WvW gamewide.

They have better comms, they consistently get larger organized groups out (large groups of single guilds instead of small groups of many guilds).

So they maul face. So both Stormbluff and Jade are trying to play for second place. More or less accepting that HOD is going to win and trying to knock the other server down out of the matchup.

Really, Jade and Storm should be teaming up to fight HOD. That’s how 3 way matchup realm wars are supposed to work; the weaker teams group up to fight the stronger. This is how it worked in DAOC.

Why isn’t this happening in WvW so far? IMO it’s the matchmaking system. We aren’t “stuck” with our matchups, so we are not given the normal incentives to work together to knock the strongest faction down a peg.

TLDR: Stormbluff and Jade SHOULD be ignoring eachother and both fighting HOD. In DAOC this is how it would have happened. That it’s not happening is a somewhat troubling sign of how the incentives are working in the WvW server matchup system.

This is 100% wrong. There are many of us at SBI that adamantly believe we can outplay HoD. We have proven this in the past in EB with some really well organized sieges. Over time, we will get better as people in TS3 learn who can lead and who cannot. As well as getting more people into TS3.

tl;dr We’re not playing for second place. never.

No no.

Thank you for assaulting Stonemist while we assaulted things that are actually defend-able.

It’s a shame our command told us to back out of HoD and get to SM after you took it. Things on the map could have been a lot different if we took the alternative route.

Lifeline.4062:

I have a feeling ET is going to get smashed next week. They are essentially a whole week behind the meta game and strat/tactics since they are farming their current match-up. It’s obvious how much better HoD’s “millitia” has gotten and SBI as well just this week. ET is going to be playing a match they are unprepared for.

I agree. The 24 hour format is played significantly differently than the week long format. JQ is getting beat because they still clutch to 24 hour format tactics.

Arctix.1758:

No. SBI is a joke when it comes to pvp. You must be dreaming. Like I said, the ONLY time, JQ has to lay off SBI is when we’re getting reamed by HoD while we’re focusing on you, which happens most of the time. SBI is not good in pvp compared to JQ. You’re only benefit, and the ONLY reason SBI is number two atm, is because we’re dealing with HoD at the same time as being close to you in numbers.

EDIT: Actually, you guys aren’t bad at zerging the Jump Puzzle…lol..

Are you freakin’ kidding me? Did you even read the original text of the post you quoted? (my post)

This is EXACTLY what’s going on. We at SBI HAVE handled full on 2v1 attacks from BOTH HoD and JQ. The diffference is SBI actually managed a DECENT DEFENSE. When they see QL isn’t going to be an easy take, they BACK OFF and head to anzalia/mendon. If you’re talking about borderlands, might be a different issue. But there’s been at least 2 people in this thread from HoD affirming EXACTLY what I’ve said: JQ has crappy defense compared to SBI.

SBI has taken Klovan several times this week and managed to defend it for upwards to an hour, ALL THE WHILE DEFENDING the eastern front from JQ. Most of the time, the only reason we lose Klovan is because we have to pull back our 20 man defensive force to quell the 50 man JQ zerg on Bravost. Not ONCE have I ever seen JQ take wildcreek.

In addition, SBI has taken the southernmost HoD tower at least once. I’ve yet to see JQ take ANY HoD territory towers. Why? You guys are scared kittenless of HoD.

SBI is clearly superior to JQ in every way, and if it weren’t for thekittenculling issue… we might (just MIGHT) have been #1 this week see: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Model-Culling-Woes-The-Great-Stonemist-Siege-SBI-HoD-JQ/first#post127119

Another note: SBI doesn’t have a main guild or alliance. We just rally up in team chat and TS3 as bunch of randoms. We simply have a strong will as a server.

I’ll say this once more:

JQ relentlessly attacks SBI umberglade camps and bravost/durios without leaving defenses in their northwest side.

HoD sees this opportunity to attack Anzalias/Mendons and proceeds to do so. While their towers are being attacked, JQ REFUSES to back out of SBI territory to defend their own, so after quelling the JQ invasion, SBI now sees an opportunity to attack while they defend Anzalia’s. SO WE PUSH.

On the flipside, when we attack Ogrewatch with a large force, more often than not our southern towers will get sieged by HoD. However, we (oftentimes) have the sense to leave scouts and defenders. If the force is large enough, SBI FORCES ACTUALLY PULL OUT AND MOUNT A PROPER DEFENSE. HoD forces see taking QL just won’t happen, and back out.

HoD are great opportunists. Show them you won’t make their siege easy, and they’ll back out.

JQ has crap tactics and doesn’t know how to properly defend or attack. They make themselves a target by being bad defenders.

Rocket boots works while jumping…

Try to rocket boot off a cliff, your enemy ain’t catching you.

Smoke bomb + rocket boots + speedy kits = impossible to catch engineer. I’m a pretty hardcore WvW player. This combo also allows me to infiltrate enemy lines. Combined with a full exotic berserker set, I can get myself into the thick of enemies and pull off 25k+ AoE burst damage in seconds.

The way I use rocket boots… I don’t need any buffs.

If JQ can amass 8 siege golems quickly, they deserve it.

Cut off supply. One week format is still EXTREMELY young and people don’t know proper tactics. I’m trying to teach my server (SBI) how to play in the 1 week format, but many — even the guys in TS3 — are resistant and still try to maintain the crappy tactics that worked for the 24-hour format.

One last bump for visibility.

It’s pretty ridiculous a 6 hour long well-organized, well-executed siege resulted in failure solely due to a server-side problem.

I think its pretty clear, at least in the EB map, that JQ is #3

JQ constantly keeps trying to take Bravost/Durios while leaving their northern (Anzalias/Mendon) towers completely undefended. Of course, after we take back umber and push them out of bravost/durios area… we continue northward and siege. We continuously try to solely maintain umberglade and the hill for ogres; probing ogrewatch and pangloss when the opportunity arises with small forces.

HoD simply runs in with a small force, take them both, and holds them… defense IS significantly easier than offense. 1:1 defenders always win provided you have the supply and brains.

JQ CONSISTENTLY leaves their northern towers undefended while they fail attempt sieges on our (SBI) eastern towers.

Yeah. but oddly the issue here was people just not getting hurt at all nor loading. I was unloading grenades all over the circle and saw no numbers. Yet that keep lord kept going up.

Yes. I quite like 3 second weakness on elixir 1.

This really needs to be fixed. There are probably topics already posted about how broken this is, but I’ll share a story on how an epic 6+ hour Stonemist castle siege lead by SBI forces was shattered due to character model culling.

SBI rogue forces effectively began to shut down HoD supply lines around 1230 PM PST. This was during a time we had no commander online, and nobody to rally a large main force. We stuck to defense. About an hour later, a commander and a well-respected siege leader logged into EB. Shortly after, several trebuchets were placed to pelt the wall of Stonemist. Our main force led by the commander defended these trebs (we had 3 up at a time, losing between 10 to 15, I wasn’t part of this crew I’m not sure, but I was in direct contact with the ‘siege commander’ the entire time) while the rogue forces continued to drain supply through Yak interception and camp raiding (Rogue’s Quarry and Golanta).

Meanwhile, JQ constantly raided our eastern supply camp and tried to push durios/bravost. Within an hour or two stonemist supply was dry. We had JQ pushed back over Ogrehill, and held this line while working HoD supply and walls. Within three hours, Lowlands Keep was about at half supply, and the two forward towers were empty. At 1230 PST, stonemist had 2800/2800 supply, lowlands 1700/1700, and the outer towers 500/500~ to give you perspective of how much supply was lost during this period.

At this point, JQ seemed to realize what we were doing and they started to finally raid Rogue’s Quarry and intercept Yaks. After about four hours, Lowlands keep, the two forward towers, and Stonemist castle were completely dry of supply, and the walls were down. JQ was still on the north door, while SBI has the southeast walls down.

We finally started an assault on inner Stonemist, with everyone being ordered inside for the final siege. In retrospect, having EVERYONE come was a mistake… but that’s beside the point here. After perhaps thirty minutes the inner wall was breached. JQ attacked from the northwest while SBI attacked from the northeast.

Once inside, we were met with the expected lagfest. But we quickly set up several ballista and arrowcarts in the hallway and continuously fired. After about another 20 minutes, we finally managed to push the forces back enough to work on the keep boss. Over the next 40 minutes, we managed to kill the keep boss at least 4 times. With around 30 of us sitting in the keep circle and another 15 in the hallways and around the edges. We saw nobody inside. But magically the keep lord continuously revived every time we killed him. After the first revive, we were confused. After the second revive, we knew what was going on and ordered everyone to continuous aoe the circle.

After two more keep boss kills and still unable to kill (or even damage) the invisible defenders, we gave in. Due to everyone being pulled to the castle, supply lines resumed and we realized the walls and doors were going up more and more often (we saw 200 supply in the depot at one point), at this point it was a lost cause and we pulled out. Six hours is a long time to siege for in a coordinated effort. Regardless, I am proud of my server pulling together in this epic siege, everyone in SBI seemed to be pulling their weight. As far as I’m concerned, we showed HoD we can match and even surpass them during this assault.

Here’s an account from an HoD defender perspective: http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/64700-hod-vs-jq-vs-si-1week-format/page__st__210#entry1937438

That was truly an epic siege, and props to HoD for the defense… even though you don’t deserve to hold the castle due to the culling issue. We outplayed you hard during that six hours, only to be met with a server issue halting progress.

I was there. (EvE Reference)

tl;dr There is none, read about this epic battle. For it was glorious. Model culling must be fixed ASAP.

More often than not. JQ is attacking us (SBI) at the same time as HoD. Every time.

SBI has stonemist? JQ + HoD attack SBI!

HoD has stonemist? JQ + HoD attack SBI!

JQ has stonemist? Oh wait, that doesn’t happen lol. JQ is trash.

JQ so deathly afraid of HoD they refuse to attack them. As of 5:56 PM PST, we have JQ at our keep sieging, while HoD sieges both team. JQ leaving their stuff totally undefended against HoD, instead full attack on us.