lol are you kidding me? Warrior doesn’t need a nerf it needs a boost. Currently warrior has barely 1 viable build for spvp and i’ve never seen a warrior with different role than the one i (and every other warrior in a medicore+ skilled team) has
warrior is so weak that it doesn’t even get in top 5 best classes out of 8 classes, whats better than a warrior? guardian, mesmer, necromancer,engineer
im seriously expecting a boost/balance on warriors or im quitting this game since the devs are in need of a reality check.
Yeah sure warriors can do a lot of dmg in melee range, thats the point? Warriors op in dugeons? rofl no, warrior can only be a dpser in a dungeon (or be useless with hammer/longbow like the warrior i once had in my party), and you cant be a dpser w/o good supports, so you need other classes but they don’t need you cuz theres lots of classes that can do dps.
the best dungeon class is EASILY and by far a thief, permanent infinite blind , huge aoe dmg with sword/pistol and infinite weakness from trait + bow poison field, its just broken on such a unreal scale and the difference you can feel in a dungeon with a thief is so huge
so updates are here but warrior bugs are still persistent , cool story, im supposed to pve until you guys fix the gamebreaking for pvp flurry/weapon swap bug? (wh8ich didnt exist until recently)
theres so many “bugs” that u guys report that aren’t even actual bugs. Like the greatsword might trait, it gives you might 100% every time you crit for few seconds.
Anyway, the most annoying bug came since the last update. I don’t know why or how but it is so noticeable that i am almost 100% sure that it was from the last update.
Using FLURRY (sword rage skill) and changing to your alt weapon gets your char literally “STUCK” for 2-3 seconds. You can move but you can’t use skills.
In pvp you could do a savage leap on someone(and miss since sword’s savage leap does very low dmg/misses a lot) and when youre next to them you can use flurry and switch to your alt wep to do a hunrded blades for example. Now you cant because when you use flurry and switch weapon, your char has the idle animation of sword for 2-3 sec. I tested this with different GS skills and on dummies/ in pvp, its not lag.
And this is not a bug but i agree, greatsword “1” auto attack damage is very low compared to other weapons
mace / shield — rifle
u already get enough dmg from rifle if u have the right build, mace provides 2 stuns and a block/defense, its much better than axe since you won’t be relying on eviscerate
boy, you just started this game or what?
Thieves can be killed before they go stealth , easily, even if they go stealth you can kill them inside it (as long as you hit where they stealthed).
Mesmers are super easy to kill, after they become invisible they have a red arrow on their head pointing towards the real mesmer and not the illusion ,they die before using their 3rd skill.
Vengeance gives you 5 seconds of invulnerability and stability, it is the reason why warrior can beat most classes 1v1. Because if you dont beat em w/ ur hp then when you get downed you can easily do 10-20% of their hp and if u down them as well its over for them. If a warrior doesnt get finished within 2 seconds after he got downed, he will use vengeance (provided that he knocks you down as well). It is the best downed skill and has saved me and even my team so many times in spvp
i still remember how once we had a 3v3 at some point in a tournament, and all our enemies were downed but so were we. Guess why we won. I used vengeance and finished 1 so my team got rallied.
elementalist is superior over warrior when it comes down to pve
i got both and my warrior is 80, ele is just so much better. YOu can actually aoe 20 melee mobs as an ele (if you ever find that many) because they’ll never even reach you when you play your class right and put effort. As wwarrior you can’t. Not to mention ele’s staff ccs are so useful in instances
warrior is “good” but definitely not op for anything , be it pvp or pve
sword + wh and greatsword is the best for wvw, for rolling with the zerg or for solo / ninja action, tho you can change the sword+wh if u roll w/ the zerg
Spvp includes tournaments, rofl.
Using a staff is getting carried? Using a staff is being useful for your team, this is a team game not a 1v1 game. The problem with all the noob eles is that they wanna be strong for 1v1 and go s/d . Sure ill give you that, S/D > Staff for 1v1. This is not a 1v1 game, theres no mod for 1v1.
I can kill everyone for 15 seconds lol. You don’t even need to kill them, just hit someones thats dying . You can also drop a person for less than 15 sec with the right build
whats ur spvp rank and wvw kills? im curious, cuz you sound inexperienced as hell. Game changes when you play against dummies but it changes when you play with pros too, they actually save you when you’re downd and when they see youre on sweet vengeance they focus on finishing someone asap.
Warrior class is poorly designed and forces you into specific specs/stats to be relevant.
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Posted by: incisorr.9502
This thread is a joke. Everything you said is wrong.
Warrior has better traits than most classes, reroll and see for yourself.
Whirlwind and Rush attack do damage, its the lag that bugs it out sometimes , also people actually dodge and have invulnerability skills you know?
Warrior has the most knockbacks / knockdowns / stuns in the game, l2p?
Warrior has the 2nd most stability skills in the game to prevent being pushed.
Warrior has a trait which makes all mobility skills break root, + a skill that cures root + 2 utilities that can cure debuffs. Mobiltiy skills = savage leap, whirlwind, rush, earthshaker ,eviscerate and such
Your range dps is crap? Funny how i did a 17k dmg killshot with my fun rifle build in spvp, and in world it could go up to 25k if i invested in it.
However, it is true warriors are overall weaker than most classes, just not for the things you said.
I use warhorn since the game is released for pvp and pve, its not overlooked and youre not awesome for pointing it out
warhorn is good only if youre going for a glass cannon or a buffer, anything else is a waste
warrior longbow is very, very weak compared to rifle. It sucks so much that it feels like im playing another class. Definitely needs a boost. The skills are slow to cast and do lousy damage
signets are good, stop crying already. A good warrior can make it work with signets ,a bad one will suck even with balanced stance.
For pve shake it off is a must tho
you kidding me? warrior has vengeance, best skill ever. You can get the sweet vengeance trait and it is totally game changing
warrior downed skills are top tier unlike the class itself lol, the single target KD may be a bit weak but veng + sweet veng makes up for it
bad build is bad
OP you got that right, ignore these other fanboys who’re prolly rank 5 or something
gs is 1 of the very few actually good and useful builds on warrior so we’re forced to go for it.
You COULD try a glass cannon rifle build (it works if played well, im doin it last days for fun in random games not in tours, mace+Shield/rifle) i had some 17k killshots in spvp, but youre glass and you rely on stuns for survability, meaning if you get ganked or fight anyone w/ stability(everyone in tournaments) you die
lol sparkie you’re some pseudo philosopher its hilarious. I don’t need to read up psychology or philosophy cuz ive done that way more than you can even imagine. Me being unlucky is not my imagination but i won’t even continue this discussion.
Its unfair for some people to get it in 20 days farm while others to keep failing for 5 months. RNG is NOT the driver of mmorpgs, go read up about mmorpgy history. I can name you several mmorpgs which died because of rng, 1 of them starts with A and has wings and stuff. The game died cuz of the absurd rng which made so many people quit
I dont know, i have over 1200 rounds with ele in spvp since i started this game (from beta till now) and its currently not my main class (but is my most played class.)
From experience i can say that staff glass cannon is by far the best choice ele can make, it also does highest damage (with ease) and provides best survivability.
What you don’t count is like i said that people move around and the range, if you fight in the middle of foefire legacy thing and if you’re with a d/d or a s/d then you won’t even have range to hit everywhere on the place and you may spend precious seconds in trying to get close. As a staff ele you can hit the entire time since 1200 range is huge. Not to mention meteors which all do 3-6k hits with the glass cannon build, really, other stuff can’t even begin to compare to staff
d/d is easily counterable by stability buff which everyone with half brain has
s/d is counterable but stability + condition cure, arc lightning spammers are really meat for warriors and such.
Considering i know ele to the bone, i really find d/d and s/d eles as food for my main class(which right now is warrior , and is going to stay warrior unless they make them boring or something). Easiest to kill are eles who come up your face and start doing some random stuff and jump around, just lol its embarrassing to even watch them.. altho i have to admit that toughness/condition damage ele is okay for 1v1 with scep/dagger or even d/d but this game isnt a 1v1, its really bad in anything else
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elementalist is more fun and can be more useful (depending on what your team needs)
experience talks
if you can use all your attunements + utilities then you should have no problem playng ele glass cannon and being useful.
My main is warrior but i played ele on beta and stuff (and i guess you could say that i have more pvp rounds on ele) but still every time i log my ele i get #1 on spvp. 90% of the games be it tournaments or just random games , if i play ele then im #1 on points. Because im everywhere and i do everything, still, im better on my warrior but that may be because my role is entirely diffr on my warrior and maybe its just what my team needs to be complete. Anyway, they dont look down on my ele cuz theyve seen the mayhem its capable of unleashing
lol warriors dont even make it to top 5 overpowered classes (out of 8 ) and the guy says “absurdly”. Hilarious
I’d rather have a necro, mesmer, guard or engineer over warrior
vlo , you must have never heard of the ‘dodge’ button, or whirlwind from greatsword, or running around a mob
would be too OP
Im not sure how exactly this works, i have bunch of clovers already (Obviously going for legendary) but the chance seems really low. ANET should probably know that RNG is the #1 destroyer of mmorpgs.
I can say it from now, if i fail more than normal amount of times @ the clovers im probably going to quit and not even look back. I really hate RNG crap like this and i consider myself as an unlucky person (Not to seek attention but because thats what history tells me). I don’t want to use up 2 million karma and 500 skill points to have a “chance” to get something, it is ridiculous and stupid.
Imo they should be either 100% either atleast 75%
not sure if bug or intended but warrior warhorn skills have awfully long delay after using them(unless you switch wep) and often the animatio stucks and your char is holding the warhorn as hes blowing it all the time
I’ve heard that over 30 times for no reason. I suggest there is a button to report people who report people for no reason.
I also think this whole thing of everyone being able to report everyone is stupid. You can get 40 friends to report someone, what happens then? Also people constantly report others for not agreeing with them or just for not liking them .. its such a lame function its like “IMMA TELL MY MAMA THAT U ARE A BAD PERSON AND SHE GON BAN YO ESS”
im 80 lvl and im still using greatsword cuz its just so much better than ranged crap, which has bad damage as well.
Naturally that won’t work if you go around with 5 signets, which is just plain stupid. I have endure pain and shake it off for pve, because they’re both required at level 80 if you wanna be a hero. If you wann get downed every 5 min be my guest and get 5 signets. I keep my 25 stacks of either luck either bloodlust all teh time cuz i dont ever get downed unless i slack a lot (IN PVE THAT IS).
Shake it off is a must for high level pve anyway, you need to cure bleed/poison stacks all teh time
probably reported but here are 2
> On Discipline traits tree the passive trait at 15 > FAST HANDS ( WEAPON SWAP REDUCED BY 5 SEC) doesn’t work the first time you swap wep in combat, its really annoying and gamebreaking.
> Vengeance can kill you from old zone to the new zone (In spvp)
so i heard you like breakstuns
This thread is a joke, i dedicated time into like 5 classes and i find warrior the most fun of them. Hence why its my main.
props to anet for making warriors so cool, they’re the most played class for a reason > THEY ARE FUN. Warrior doesn’t even make it to the top 4 fotm pvp classes fyi
you cant have crit damage 110%. Its your crit chance
crit damage at its finest is like 70 (which we dont know what it means, is it % or not)
hammer sucks, show me a rank 25+ warrior using hammer and ill cheer you.
ele is a bit underpowered in pvp but its definitely 1 of the best pve classes , anyone who turns you down is a noob
yeah theory warriors at its finest, you know in pvp you actually get hit and you actually have to move, and im not sure who said stance dance should boost your dps ?
check a pvp scenario (assuming you play ele staff, otherwise go learn to play before posting)
you cast your fire stuff (obviously) and see 5 kids standing where ur meteors are falling, naturally you change to water so you can slow them and throw and ice spike while your’e at it. Then bounce towards lightning to put static field and buff yourself while youre at it, in case you need to run, since the attunement will have recharge after this. And then go to earth to do shockwave followed by well placed cripple while your eruption is channeling. Also you’re ready to use a magnetic wave thing the one that repels projectiles which is the best skill in the game tbh.
Sure you can sit on fire attunement and spam fireballs and lava fonts but they wont hit anyone unless you actually slow them with your other attunements, or you’ll die cuz u wont have speed/reflection buffs
what killer is saying is similar to the build im using since first beta on ELE and it works great. You die in 2 sec, if you let them get you. IF they don’t get you then theyre in for a bad ride
ele takes skill to play , i agree its a bit underpowered but its not even close to being as bad as you claim
unless you use anything besides staff, then yeah, ele is bad. L2p ele staff and you’ll see how strong the class can be in the right situations, go bandwaggon d/d and get stomped
the best build is not condition/toughness, i dunno whatcha smokin
best build for ele (only if you can make it work) is hard damage and no survivability, you have invulnerability and 1200 range to make up for that fact. 1200 range is way more than you think it is, and don’t think of this as a 1v1 game
Jonathan, before you take any steps you should actually prove the credibility of the people complaining about something, there are so many skilless people with no mmorpg experience or that don’t put enough effort/brain/thought in pvping that constantly complain about some stuff. People like that will always exist and are best told “L2P”
tl;dr
noobs complaining about downed state
i only think damage of some classes should be nerfed in their downed state , everything else is fine
we all want to know that one