Guild Wars 2

look at all these people talking about random crap on how to beat thief

• IT DOES NOT MATTER , THIEF CAN JUST ZERG YOUR TEAMMATES AND THEN ZERG YOU AND THERE’S NO COUNTER TO THAT **

IT DOESN’T MATTER IF YOU CAN BEAT/“OUTPLAY” thief 1v1 because the GAME IS NOT ONE VERSUS ONE and its not about killing either

its about capping points and +1ing when the skill levels get higher

the last patch buffed thieves even more, i just had a game with 5 thieves in ranked because why the kitten not?

i suppose the fact that there were no 10 people signing for ranked arena yday is a direct consequence to how overpowered and broken this class is

Luclinraider.2317:

OP is either trolling, joking or just new to PvP.

Thief is in fact one of the least forgiving, and most underpowered classes currently in the game.

lol

i have bunch of games on thief and staying alive as thief is 5000 times easier than it is with almost any other class

DH / Warrior can have it very hard if focused by multiple people once their CD’s are down, what does a thief do? simple, just teleport away and survive

thief is unforgiving? lmao, thats why they have 0 sec cd unblockable teleport and also their steal always takes stability first. So unforgivable ! Someone is about to outplay you by anticipating ur backstab and using stability? not today
someone uses a slow to catch u? lol.

someone uses a stun on u? as if that matters

unforgivable .. right..

Exciton.8942:

Thief still shuts all other glassy builds out of PvP.

It is the pinnacle of glass cannon builds and single-handedly reduces the build variety greatly.

this exactly. I also had made a thread complaining about how thief shuts outs all other glassy builds from pvp but it got deleted because reasons.

I’ve been trying to play different glassy builds over time but it just doesn’t feel fun because of how easily thieves can shut me down. Even if i can beat them 1v1 it just doesn’t matter because they just stop doing 1v1 and jump from 54353535 range insta cast no animation teleport 10kbackstab.

i " finally " at least started playing meta guard because they’re semi glassy and can deal with thieves without being shut down… but then comes the part where the thief just goes to roam and constantly decap/zerg around the map and if my thief is worse we end up losing anyway so it doesn’t even matter that i’m playing a guard.

I’m not really playing gw2 " hardcore " because im playing another mmo as main game right now but i still play gw2 here and there (daily pvp usually) so it doesn’t kitten me off as much as it would if i were playing full time but it’s still a pretty lame thing how the only counter to thief is another thief (or hoping he’s not that skilled)

" luckily" player skill is and will never be completely even and even then there’s circumstance and situation which can turn against even good thieves but it doesn’t change everything said.

It could be a good step for gw2 to evolve in a direction where we leave point caps behind and we go to killing and pure pvp without objective other than kills. (or there could be an objective but it should still be centered around kills and they should still be the most important thing ) The pvp could be rebalanced to fit it

In a game where the goal is to keep points and to win team fights on points this class is just utterly ridiculous and overpowered and uncounterable and the design is HORRIBLE

thief can cast teleport and invisibility skills EVEN WHILE CC-ed, they have 5 times more iframes than any other class and are basically " immune " to slows so they can ignore every single CC in the game (Except damaging conditions but they can spec some condi removal instead) – a good thief will NEVER die and that makes all other classes and people obsolete

you DO NOT HAVE TO WIN PVP to win in Gw2 and that’s why thief is op, there isn’t a single class that can catch thief and at the same time thief can’t be killed (even if outplayed) because it can just cast skills at any time and at any point. A good thief is already hard enough to kill 1v1 as it is (because of the amount of iframes they have) but they dont ever need to commit to a losing fight – if you’re losing (say vs a guard or w/e) you can just disengage, go in the other corner of the map, zerg his teammates then zerg him and you win

Nobody can catch or keep up to a thief so the only way to keep your point is to have someone sitting on it all the time and then thief can just +1 zerg your team with its mobility and then they zerg you for standing on point while your teammates are dead. The only counter to thief is to have another thief chasing that thief and also doing more work and doing better than him so you can have the upper hand and that isn’t a counter at all

if i played a warr ? sure i could kill thief but if the thief is good he won’t fight me unless he has an advantage and there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THAT I CAN DO ABOUT IT. No class can catch thief because no class has 0 sec cd environment teleport. He can just run to close and decap our point while im RUNNING LIKE A PLEB
if i played guard? same story except i have 2 teleports so its slightly better but still bad when they’re on cd (and they do have huge cooldown)

if i played engineer? LMAO whats an engineer gonna do to a thief ? (actually condi engi is ok vs thief but then again he wont die unless he fails or overcommits which he isnt forced to do)

so the fact that the class cant be killed and it also can’t be caught just makes it ridiculously overpowered and uncounterable and when you go play a game if your thief is worse than enemy thief you’re almost sure to lose even if the rest of your teammates are better, simply because a full damage +1 guy with tab target insta cast no animation teleports makes too huge of a difference and the burst a thief can provide in a team fight (and then not even have to die for it) is just too big, and then if that fails he can just decap points forever and the only person capable of keeping up is your thief – which is not you – so you’re irrelevant – nice game design how incredibly unfair and unfun is that?
thieves should be reworked/removed for the good of this game

heart of thorns ruined this game

heart of thorns is the worst thing to happen to this game

by that ofcourse i mean the elite specs since im posting in structured pvp forum

+1000 to remove the elite specs and revenant and also revert the quickness change and roll back to Pre-hot patch , which was the best pvp balance gw2 has had

so funny how it goes from the best pvp balance to the worst in just few days cus of heart of monkey devs

^

get premade and then fight soloq people

please, you shouldn’t try to advocate arena net’s horrible decisions lol

they should either make a queue only for teams (which will be dead) or for solo people (which will probably have people complaining for not being able to play with friends)

imo ranked arena should be only solo.. maybe duo at most and unranked should be like all arenas are right now

thats the model league of legends is using for a reason, cus its the most fair and logical one (altho i heard they’re changing cus casual plebs taking over the world)

HoT is the worst thing to happen to this game as ive said many times

balance flew off the roof and revenants are pure bullkitten, gw2 was so much better just before hot .. and now these league bullkittens where soloq meets 5man esl premade teams who play condi revenants or bunker mesmers because why the kitten not ? they have no skill or balls or shame anyway so better abuse what anets let em abuse

make ranked only soloq or gtfo

nerf revenant bullkitten and its all good

what “META” dude, ROFL. The game got broken as kitten because Anet went the greedy road and released ridiculous and overpowered specs only to get more cash and then they decided to silence everyone with bans instead of responding to them properly or logically like they used to do in the past,
now they are just like every other kittenty cash grabbing company.

Im gonna list the problems with this game in a short and understandable manner so maybe if we’re lucky the ceo of arena net is gonna be checking forums while drunk and see my post by chance and then on the next morning get a brain and fix the game

- the elite specs are kittening overpowered as kitten
- before when you wanted to do something you had to sacrifice something else for it, for example to do dmg you had to sacrifice survivabiltiy (unless you were mesmer cause the class is a joke) , now with the new specs you can be tanky as kitten and do 500 million damage (daredevil tempest chronocancer reaper revenant,DRAGONHUNTER, etc)
there are too many skills that give you “the good type of survivability” which is invulnerability (and not hp or protection) so you can easily make a huge dmg build while being immortal most of the time
- theres even more cheese in the game
- the quickness change/nerf/most ridiculous and useless update completely butchered warriors up and now they are unplayable on a higher level in pvp because half of your skills are slow as hell and you can’t burst / do unexpected quick burst damages for kitten
- The problem is that it doesn’t matter if HoT is b2p because even if you buy hot, you can still get someone without hot in your team and be handicapped because of it. So arena net has to either make the expansion B2p , either make the elite specs available for spvp to people with only the base game or this kitten will forever remain imbalanced, due to the fact that the elite specs are a joke and that half of the people have no access to them and that affects you (even if you have HoT) as well because the game format is 5v5 in the end.

I don’t know how kittening hard is it to see these things or think about them beforehand, you have to remember and understand that these people are ‘professionals’ and get paid to do this , yet the decisions they take are utterly kittened.

Also D/D vs shoutbow wasn’t even bad because both of them had clear flaws – no disengage, focus them with 2 ppl in a team fight and they melt, especially shoutbow warrs. The meta wasn’t bad at all cus zerker builds worked then too and there was more to it than just shoutbow or d/d.

plus the patch before HoT was the most balanced one i’ve played because both raw dmg and condi dmg builds were more or less fair on all classes (especially warriors) and there werent clear favorites

heart of throrns is the worst thing to happen to this game’s pvp

are you kittening kidding me? thieves are the most overpowered and forgiving class at the moment

i dont know what more do you kittening want when each of your skills is a dodge, gap closer, cc, 10k dmg, you literally only have to spam one button and you even cry about it? rofl

imagine if you had to play another class

i still do more without the new spec

arena net butchered warriors by making this quickness change and the fact that they aren’t reverting it just shows how little they know about their own game and pvp and warriors in particular

warrior to me is now unplayable from my main class because of this quickness bug/disable/“nerf” /bullkitten/biggest idiocy 2015

im also doing more dmg with my support elementalist for the record

yea this is show off

Zdenny.2704:

Warlord.9074:

The problem is that was a warrior you have to work twice as hard to do constant damage and survive than any other class.

It seems like you have never played anything else but warrior. Any class is hard to master, but warriors are one of the easiest to master.

this is the biggest bullkitten ive ever read and op is right for the record

its true anet are disconnected but not just with warriors but the entire pvp game

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Incisorr, really? Let’s see there’s a few games that release expansions that say have new classes, that you could not get unless you bought the expansion, yet you can face them in pvp, one that pops off the top of my head is WoW, if you don’t buy the expansion depending on your level you can be faced with classes you have no way of creating. Say for the 50-70 Brackets the DK was only available to WotLk owners, so yes other Mmos have gated skills behind expansions. Hell that was a whole class that others did not have access to unless they bought the expac….

> WoW
> Western MMORPG
> Western, lol, as in American, lol, have you even seen these people? also western mmos are kitten and imbalanced as hell , their style is also bad. The only reason i play gw2 is because a friend made me ages ago, i learned the game and it looks like an asian mmorpg more or less (Way better than wow) and because its low maintenance game.. unlike other games in where if you stop playing you forget/your head gets dizzy etc – gw2 is kitten easy and all you do is log and sign for pvp. Im only playing it inbetween games because its imbalanced and bad, and western.

also world of warcraft itself is a kittening horrible mmorpg

Best fix would be to stop people without the expac from competing with those that do and low and behold huge Qeue times till people buy the expac

they dont wanna do that because it’ll slow down queues and thats bad for everyone so maybe they should suck it up, give a bunch of more skins and stories and areas to go to hot people and make skills available for everyone

Daharahj.1325:

No, P2W means you can buy more advantages the more money you sink into the game.

At worst, GW2 is still p2p, but nowhere near p2w.

having skills that others don’t have is suddenly not an advantage

Crinn.7864:

ya’ll dumb.

Hot is b2p not p2w.

It’s just like how back at launch you had to buy the core game to play the core game.
HoT is the exact same, you have to buy HoT to play HoT.

By ya’ll definition of p2w, every single MMO on the market is currently p2w.

theres no mmorpg in which you can buy skills that others can’t and isnt considered p2w. also i dont know a mmorpg in which you can buy skills while others can’t because it would normally get flamed like hell

The whole definition of P2w = pay to win = is exactly what Gw2 is right now. Buying overpowered skills which cannot be obtained without spending real life currency is what p2w is

if a guy buys 50 armor skins and sells them and makes more gold than you, its lame and it is a variation of p2w but you can catch up to him with nolifing or skill or good trades or luck or whatever so in his case its Pay 2 progress faster which can be interpreted as p2w but its not as real p2w as gw2 is right now.

Guy having skills because he paid RL $ and no other way to get em = p2w,

how is common sense so hard for you guys is beyond me

Expansion or not , their pvp is considered and advertised as equalized and right now its not equalized.

Skill blocking is a lame “mechanic” or plan or f2p method or whatever it is you wanna put it , their expansion could contain other kitten and leave the pvp equalized and if people wanted more content they would eventually buy the HoT anyway. Skills are not content.

ofcourse its p2w , you don’t even need to use your brain for this

any game in which you can pay to have more skills in “equalized” pvp than your opponent is p2w lol, this is pure common sense how hard is it to comprehend it?

i’ve never seen a mmo expansion or patch that adds new content and skills and blocks them for people, you can block new content and areas and kitten but skills? in equalized pvp? please who the hell are you kidding? most ridiculous f2p model i’ve ever seen

i guess you could argue having the option to play with base game without having to buy expansion is good but its still equalized pvp and extra skills which you’re going to have to go against and that makes it p2w

the issue of how insanely overpowered these specs are is completely different
DH is broken as F
DDevil made thieves go from already pretty good in 1v1 against non-direct-counters to the most overpowered one button spamming kitten. It not only made them stronger but it also made them easier and dumber to play since your new dodges and skills do insane dmg and are permanent dodge animation, lowered the class skillcap even more
Revenant 1 does 3 times more dmg than any other class’s 1 and in general the class has so much mobility , survivability, dmg but they are more or less ok to deal with in comparison with all the cancer that was added

and so on and so forth

overall the way the pvp is evolving is also dumb, the new specs are overloaded of everything that was good and mattered from before hot

So funny gw2 , so funny. I post bunch of facts and common sense and bunch of kittens are flaming me instead

ad hominem to its finest

nobody actually argued against everything i said cause theres nothing to argue with against it since thieves are as i said braindead and op

for the record, thief is my 3rd most played profession which is hundreds of games so you can’t even say i havent played thief, rofl.

when i played thief i never died cause i can just stealth and run away, easy kittening peasy

you only died as thief in the past when under immense focus when ur teammates are useless as kitten and now thieves got so much out of daredevil, thats no longer a problem

they were #2 most pathetic class after mesmer before and now they swapped positions, mesmer is #2 only cause it lacks condi removals while thief has the most in this game by far cuz balance

are you kittening kittenting me? Thieves are the most overpowered class on this patch along with mesmers and you want 50% dmg reduction in stealth which is already the most kittened mechanic in the game by far.

stealth has no counterplay in this game and is the cheapest and most overpowered and certain disengage and a thief/mesmer/scrapper can just reset fights forever until they get a good opening

thief gameplay in a nutshell: get a bad opening? Stealth, reset fight, repeat until you get a good opening, spam 3 if you;‘re d/p or s/d or spam 5 if you’re staff thief with some dodges inbetween

thief is currently so kittening overpowered and braindead i have no kittening words what were arena net thinking ? oh right, they weren’t. They have more condi removals than elementalists , do insane dmg, unhindered by any kinds of slow/immobilization, the most stun breakers (steal isnt a stunbreaker but it does just the same thing, shadow step is 2 , infiltration signet if you run it is 3) with low cds huge kittening joke

same with mesmer except they have more dmg and less condi removal but in general are the same cancer and easy mode kitten

d/d ele was crap in 2v2 because it didn’t offer anything really significant and it wasn’t the best 1v1 setup because it lost to others

especially to my paralyzation mace warrior because d/d ele has only one stability buff (2 if they run with trait + utility) which only lasts 6 seconds, no matter how you look at it you have at least 48 seconds to stun them for 4 seconds with 6sec cd while you can just outsustain all of their dmg as a warrior

before they butchered warriors cuz of the quickness nerf since arena net has always hated warriors and they’ve always been the underdog class since the beginning of this game. Even shoutbow warrior was utter crap when focused by 2 people as it had no dashes besides one jump, one stunbreaker and its condi removal relied on actually hitting a slow casting crappy bow firefield which was so kittening bad and in general shoutbow warr was pretty kitten in 2v2 when focused, just like d/d ele

Raging in this game shouldn’t even be against the rules.

The way this game is designed will always provoke raging because when you lose it doesn’t feel like you got outplayed most of the time and spotting plus appreciating skill in GW2 is very hard.

Build wars 2 should sum it up for you, i don’t respect a guy that beats me because he happens to run a build thats good against mine and yes every single build has a counter build ,even the meta builds. You don’t have an idea how laughable and useless d/d eles were against my warrior before anet butchered quickness and with it warriors.

I don’t respect a guy that gets class carried either, that would be all thieves , mesmers, engineers and most of the time guardians. Stealth is the most overpowered and forgiving mechanic in this game that makes you able to play like a kitten because you always have a way out, you barely need to consider anything and you can always run away and disengage if you take a bad trade and restart the fight until you take a good trade. Anet are pathetic for not realizing this because its just pure common sense, all mesmer/thief/engineer players that don’t realize this are also pathetic and should grow some balls and play a real class. Guardain is there because its broken as hell atm and is carried by overwhelming stats and invulnerabilities/blocks , not necessarily by stealth.

So you could blame the game design for having so many ragers because the game is designed in a kittenty way so casual people can get build carried, basically this build generates more players/activity around pvp because if skill actually mattered then pvp would be dead, just like it was in another mmo which i shall not name but i’ll tell you that its pvp is by far the best mmo pvp there was. Basically its forgiving so they can keep casuals playing cause these are the ppl that generate da cash.

One of the very very few times i’ve “respected” a guy for outplaying me was when he played a build that isn’t broken or carried by easy/pathetic mechanics and when i failed a lot but he still did okay and i died. I didn’t flame the guy and i noticed him later when i got him and i would notice him if i get him today too but his mmr is probably too low cuz mine is maxed out and we don’t meet much, plus he won’t kill me this time. My point is that when i die by a guy with a build that isnt cheesy’/kittened then its K.

what i don’t consider cheesy is all builds with outplay potential and potential to get outplayed, for example dps warrior or power ranger or even necro to some extent. Elementalists are mostly okay too altho nowadays reapers/tempests are broken as hell so thats another thing to rage about.

Metabattle is a joke and most of these builds are not even good, i laugh at all the idiots who think metabattle is good rofl

You have to realize that all these builds were not only made by other people (who are flawed) but also copied and put there by other people so by no means are they flawless or perfect.

The most hilarious part is when a guy sees me before the game starts and starts insulting and flaming me for not running a “meta build” and doesn’t even wait to see my results instead he just flames me. I’ve tried almost all the meta builds and they end up being pretty crap in general and very focused around a specific thing i don’t want to be focused around.

.. also.. few months ago when i played i ran my own builds on like 3 of my classes and when i came back few months after they were all in the meta and some were not even copied properly, so funny

its a good site for reference and for ideas but not to get obsessed over it and take it too serious

Wishes.3021:

You guys are crazy. UA has so many counter plays it’s ridiculous
If you’re a Mesmer you have clones and the damage is instantly 1/3 or less. Or you could stealth, or pop a distortion, or even dodge and eat a little bit
Engi stealth or spawn gyro to cut damage in half and dodge once – most damage mitigated
Teef stealth or interrupt with pistol 4
Ranger pet – damage is halved combined with 1 dodge mitigates most damage
Ele shocking aura interrupts – mist form or burning speed and a dodge
Warrior, infinite dodges or endure?? GS 3 and 1 dodge?? Shield block?
Do I really have to go on? UA is literally 90% of a revs entire weapon set pressure and is stupid easy to avoid

rofl pls

mesmer = ive said it many times its the most broken class, don’t even bring it up
same with thief
same with engineer
these 3 classes are insanely kittening dumb and forgiving and easy and op

ranger pet? pls, 1 UA oneshots you if you play power ranger and nobody wants to play an archer and be a kittened druid (or so i thought)
ele shocking aura is 25+ sec cd,
warrior infinite dodges? 2 dodges, 4 at most with whirlwind and energy sigil

do you realize that this ua kitten has like 10 sec cd while literally everything u listed is high cd and once you waste your resources you’re exposed to everything else, like you don’t need your dodges to dodge other stuff in this game? lol please

not to mention that revenant auto attacks do same damage as all hits of warrior 100b for some reason , literally 6k per auto

its still not as bad as thief tho, spam 3 for free gap closer insane dmg unblockable blind u literally dont need any other buttons

I don’t understand what kind of kittened fetish does arena net have with kittened mechanics and skills that are overly-forgiving and easy to use?

thief steal works through walls, huge range, no aim nothing just tab and press button , 50 effects + stealth and stealth itself is also another uncounterable mechanic
guardian has the same
revenant has several of these brainless gap-closer teleport mechanics
mesmer ofcourse

Why can’t you make more classes like warrior

Quadox.7834:

Yup it has gotten pretty insane. I have played the game a fair amount (4k ranked arenas on mes) and recently, more than once i have actually just stopped playing in the middle of a match and just watched. Watching Chrono/Rev/Daredevil and some others just looks crazy now- the window to hit them is abysmally low. Now, i am definitely not arguing that daredevil is op (it isn’t), but the design of most of the classes is just weird at the moment. Full zerker duels take as long as cele ele vs shoutbow used to take before patch.

daredevil isn’t op? rofl please

Daredevil is just as broken as mesmer if not even more broken with all the new kitten they got. You can’t hit them unless they fail and the damage they do is ridiculous. They have about the most condi removals in the game and the most overpowered and kittened mechanic in the game which is stealth , providing the easiest disengage there is and survivability when everyone else would just die when collapsed on by the enemy.

Mesmers have always been kittened not just now, now they are just way over the top.

Invulerability done right – warrior’s endure pain

Invulnerability done wrong – mesmer’s distortion

warrior is right because its still succeptable to conditions and because they dont have stealth and teleport like all the rest classes which are completely dumb cuz of that

pets are unreliable and horribly coded as kitten , even elementalist elementals which you can’t control work better than pets cuz they use their skills when you ask them to while ranger autism pets are flying around and screeching and doing 50 other kittenty things before they use anything
, they die super kittening easy
, if you’re on a high ground and you swap to a melee pet it won’t even hit anyone so there goes “30% of your stats”

rangers are designed in such a flawed way, typical for arena net tbh. They need their pet to be complete but the pet is kittening kitten and doesn’t even work if you’re on high ground, but ranger is a bowsman class so you’re supposed to be on high ground, kittening hilarious

you want to shoot from far away but the pets are spawning next to you and are meleee and thats all considering you can even ask them to attack and ur not on a high ground

high dmg is ok if its ranger/warrior type of dmg not thief/mesmer type of dmg

stealth in this game is uncounterable and even if you hit them during stealth they don’t get revealed which is kittening dumb not to mention they have a million evades and teleports and in general dont really need to aim or position themselves or anything cause thief/mesmer are kittening easy mode

tab, f1, 1111111111111111111111111111111111111

dh = braindead overpowered as kitten
tempest storm = the hell were u smoking m9
mesmer = still the most op class in the game, needs deletion
thief = dodges hit for 6k dmg and 3shot semi tank builds now, as if they weren’t easy and op enough before
scrapper = made engineers even more cancer and overpowered also hammer 1 spam is kittening overpowered, what a joke, you cant balance this class cuz you want it to do everything at the same time and it does it better than everybody else, just delete it
revenant = nerf the kittened omnislash fiora ulti yurnero ulti kitten and it’ll be fine
reaper = broken as kitten, chill does 20k dmg if u cant instacleanse it and they have 500k hp in shroud, i dont know u guys are so funny from arena net when u get on a smoking trip and you start adding some ridiculous kitten

JUST FIX THE kitten FRIGGIN QUICKNESS ALREADY. IT DOESN’T WORK ON HALF OF WARRIOR SKILLS RIGHT NOW WHY THE kitten WOULD YOU DO THAT? THE QUICKNESS HATERS COULD JUST NOT SPEC QUICKNESS ITS THE ABSOLUTELY kittenING SAME THING SINCE QUICKNESS DOESNT WORK ANYWAY RIGHT NOW LOL.

SlayerSixx.5763:

incisorr.9502:

SlayerSixx.5763:

JDjitsu.7895:

Hannibal.5739:

@incisorr.9502
You’re kidding right?
If I fail as a thief I am dead!!!…100% easy mode forgiving lmao
Why don’t you go play one in pvp then come back & tell me how easy it is becuz i must be smoking the wrong thing

+1 this
/15characters

+11 this

Stealth spam doesn’t get you the point. Stealth spam doesn’t get you the kill. Now that classes have more aoe DPS or more healing (or both in some cases), you’ll get dropped quite easily if you try to outlast them. You can’t outrun revenants. Druids and scrappers will laugh at your damage and most likely kill you eventually. Fall for a dragon’s maw and you’re most likely screwed or will be forced to burn shadow step, which will sometimes leave you screwed.

stealth spam doesn’t get you the point but neither does dying, which is what classes without stealth happen to do when they are put in a situation a thief would
stealth spam does get you kills cause you can just heal forever and fight only when you win
you cant outrun revenants? -revenants are patehtic and broken trash class that should be nerfed cuz atm is too easy to play, bad point
druids and scrappers ? – both are kittened, overly-forgiving, require nerfs asap, bad point
dragons maw? do you see me saying that dragon hunters are balanced? cuz they are not

thieves are easy and forgiving cause they have the option of stealth which others don’t , if you think thief is weak then go imagine trying to play another class

Warrior can get the hell out if he finds that after his first PASSIVELY proccing EP, he isn’t getting anywhere.

Ele can lolheal through everything AND can escape with ease.

Mesmer can stealth almost as hard AND gets invulns AND 2 teleports if escape is necessary.

Also, ranger requiring skill? Ranger is literally the lowest in terms of skill floor out of all of the classes.

By the way, I believe a little (a lot) of formatting and grammar checking would be in order, sir.

you shouldn’t be allowed to post your cancerous kittenty opinion on these forums because you might delude someone that doesn’t understand the game or pvp with your cancerous kitten

warrior can disengage with passive procing endure pain are you kittening kittenting me? ROFL. WHAT THE kitten? 4 seconds endure pain that doesn’t protect you vs CC or condition damage is gonna save you how exactly? You have no high ground teleports, 1 /2 dashes at most which are pretty kittenty and thats kittening it. How can you compare endure pain to stealth is beyond me, do you even play this kittening game? i’ve never seen endure pain save anyone cuz they’re usually perma slowed and condi dmg kills his kitten
even if you pop zerker stance + endure pain you still die cuz you cant outrun half of the classes in the game anyway since they are forgiving and easy as kitten

ele can lolheal ? ele has one heal when attuning to water what lolheal learn the kittening classes rofl elementalist gets utterly destroyed when zerged and it will not get out of anything like a stealth would

mesmers? No kitten, they are the most kittened class in the game followed by thieves

ranger requires the least skill out of all classes? so having one very unreliable stealth as your only disengage along with one dash is now suddenly low skill cap? I am kittening amazed at how hilarious random casuals are,

let me teach you COMMON SENSE so if you sit there and think about it a bit you should figure it out

Having LESS tools to do the things you want to do doesn’t mean your class requires less skill but MORE because its HARDER FOR YOU TO DO YOUR JOB. So now do you see why warrior and ranger take skill? Because both of them have kittenty disengage in comparison to Mesmer/Thief/Whatever other kittened overly-forgiving kitten there is in this game.

If you’re doing 3v3 on mid point and one of your guys leaves cause hes autistic kitten and the other one dies then you’re stuck 1v3, what do you do as a thief? Stealth, tp to high ground easy kittening peasy
what do you do as warrior? Endure pain but you’re crippled, chilled , slowed, feared, confused, bleeding, burning, whatever. If you’re mad kittening good warrior then you have energy sigil on your GS and you do endure pain + healing signet for resistance buff, dodge, swap to gs, dodge, charge, dodge again and then you’re MAYBE safe, you hope theres no thief or mesmer chasing you with their infinite overly-forgiving easy mode teleports but alas, your hope was for nothing cause theres always a kittened thief or mesmer chasing you and you die

you have one kittening rush with warrior and thats bout it, even a cripple monkey will catch you, you have to do so many things in order to disengage properly as warrior and its still nowhere nearly as efficient as it is on thief or mesmer which are easy as hell.
As a ranger if you use bow 2/3 on a guy that runs behind you (happens all the time) then they go on cd and you’re kittened and you wanna tell me that kitten is forgiving? Rofl. It requires kittenload of more consideration to actually land your kitten properly than a thief does

shadow step long cd? Its shorter than otehr classes’s disengage tools so shut the kitten up

i dont understand what kind of an aborigen you have to be to think that thief is hard when it has no cast animation on demand free disengage and escape and you can literally fail over and over before you die but a class that goes in and has to absolutely know all of its trades and be considerate of the battlefield and when to leave / where to be at any given time is “easy” in your opinion

the only real classes in this game are warrior , ranger, elementalist, necromancer and mind you im not talking about their bullkitten druid tempest reaper specs cuz these are broken and kittened as kitten

the other 4 classes, thief engi guardian and mesmer are overly-forgiving easy mode overpowered kitten for weak kittenters that won’t die after 10 mistakes in a row and they dont need to know their trades or anything cause if kitten ever goes wrong you can just stealth + tp or superspeed away or 30 sec invul

well boo kittening hoo you kitten

I may prefer for my 5 dollars to be worth 500 dollars but they aren’t cause thats not how the real world works, do you see me crying about it in a forum until the arena net of real life changes it to suit my kittening autistic needs?

fact is that right now warriors are utter kitten because of the quickness change

another fact is that your kittening rush is 1200 range if you don’t use quickness even pre-patch so if you want your kittening rush to be 1200 range (Which is utterly kittening pointless) then you can kittening drop quickness and get something else + burst mastery (Which is kittening awesome for the record) and IT WILL BE THE ABSOkittenINGLUTELY THE SAME AS IT IS NOW. BECAUSE QUICKNESS CURRENTLY DOESN’T WORK FOR MOVEMENT SKILLS SUCH AS RUSH. SO IF WE WERE TO REVERT TO LAST PATCH AND YOU WERE TO NOT SPEC QUICKNESS IT WOULD BE THE SAME AS IT IS NOW kittening brainless low rated autistic kid

more options is always better, before = 2 options
now = everyone is forced to play without kittening quickness that doesnt work

im not talking about asians im talking about me playing asian mmos for over 10 years now because they look better, feel better, have much better and more impactful animations and are way more balanced in general

gw2 does look good for a western mmorpg (compared to some kitten like wow) but the balance/animations/impact are horrible

what kind of idiot is trying to land max range earthshaker and what kind of idiot gets hit by that? low elo pls

your animation is so kittening slow even a dead monkey will dodge your "max range earthshaker "without quickness, ROFL.

Your point about rush being 800 range instead 1200, thats whats good about it , 800 range is plenty (just like eviscerate/shieldbash/earthshaker are) when you’re ‘fighting to hit a guy, you have to be close anyway. The only problem with quickness is when ur trying to run away but you can easily just wait it out and time your skills in such way that you don’t use them with quickness

im not sure in what world having more options is worse than having less options
quickness before = more options
quickness now = kittening doesn’t work for half of your kittening skills and whirlwind is kittening useless when it was ur main burst damage for kittening years for zerker warrior builds

im only talking about efficiency right now, quickness warrior was one of the main things why it was good on previous patch

if i start talking about the fun-factor and motivation to play warrior? it went down the drainpipe with this kittenty patch, im playing my elementalist because i cant stand how kitten and boring warriors currently are in comparison to how they were before

how about they kittening add an option in game options how quickness works for you so scrubs can use their kitten quickness and i can oneshot their kitten with whirlwind insta wep swap after 4th hit and stun plus f1 with my proper quickness that has worked like this since game release

these type of changes just show how little arena net devs know about their kittening game cuz they listen to bunch of casual low mmr people who think having 30% less dashes is worse than casting skills AND animations 50% faster

Lord Kuru.3685:

I wouldn’t mind if they just removed quickness and slow from the game. Did we really need more boons and conditions?

quickness is in the game since release, the stupid slow isn’t

SlayerSixx.5763:

JDjitsu.7895:

Hannibal.5739:

@incisorr.9502
You’re kidding right?
If I fail as a thief I am dead!!!…100% easy mode forgiving lmao
Why don’t you go play one in pvp then come back & tell me how easy it is becuz i must be smoking the wrong thing

+1 this
/15characters

+11 this

Stealth spam doesn’t get you the point. Stealth spam doesn’t get you the kill. Now that classes have more aoe DPS or more healing (or both in some cases), you’ll get dropped quite easily if you try to outlast them. You can’t outrun revenants. Druids and scrappers will laugh at your damage and most likely kill you eventually. Fall for a dragon’s maw and you’re most likely screwed or will be forced to burn shadow step, which will sometimes leave you screwed.

stealth spam doesn’t get you the point but neither does dying, which is what classes without stealth happen to do when they are put in a situation a thief would
stealth spam does get you kills cause you can just heal forever and fight only when you win
you cant outrun revenants? -revenants are patehtic and broken trash class that should be nerfed cuz atm is too easy to play, bad point
druids and scrappers ? – both are kittened, overly-forgiving, require nerfs asap, bad point
dragons maw? do you see me saying that dragon hunters are balanced? cuz they are not

thieves are easy and forgiving cause they have the option of stealth which others don’t , if you think thief is weak then go imagine trying to play another class

FeelsAlright.5860:

It seems like you as a player have a problem versus people with stealth and getting stunned. Not thieves.

my problem in this game is that stealth is forgiving and broken as kitten and it makes all classes with it easy and unfair in comparison to classes without it, there are not enough reveal skills in the game and even if there were, all the classes wtih stealth also have teleports and superspeed on demand cause kitten balance and kitten logic

Lavexis.5360:

870k dps as gs/axe shield marauder warrior..

I don’t think that is little

i’ve done more, multiple times, doesn’t make warriors good, they were in the previous patch but this patch is a trainwreck

Mefiq.7039:

Daredevils have 3/4 evades rest of classes have 2. Even if F1 Warr skills are telegraphed it doesnt mean you cant setup 100%sure hit. Hammer + AXE/Shield is great example. You bash enemy head with hammer making him burn stunbreaks. Then SWAP Shieldbash F1 for nice dmg.
I will write it AGAIN. JUST CUZ YOU CANT LAND IT DOESNT MEAN CLASS IS BAD.

You can’t land it cuz they have 500 dodges, try playing any other class without energy sigil so i can laugh when you dodge twice and are kittening dead, talk about forgiving, rofl. I recently had to swap out my dmg sigil on my ele for energy because running out of endurance was too problematic, how fair is that? oh right, its not

thief can be stunned in stealth but luckily for him he has 500 teleports with low cd like shadow step or steal with 18 seconds cd cause why the kitten not

so funny when thieves start arguing that they are up , same kitten as mesmers

the most broken classes cry the hardest, imagine if u actually had to have skill and play good like normal dps builds / classes do (warrior/ranger)

Hannibal.5739:

@incisorr.9502
You’re kidding right?
If I fail as a thief I am dead!!!…100% easy mode forgiving lmao
Why don’t you go play one in pvp then come back & tell me how easy it is becuz i must be smoking the wrong thing

I have a thief since nearly 3 years m8.

In your eyes a mistake as thief is actually 10 mistakes because getting caught or doing something stupid is not something you consider a mistake since you just stealth out of it.

Bottom lane is that thieves are overpowered and forgiving as hell, you have too many stun breakers, 2 stealths that you can use during stun/always (steal and bomb thingy) with low cd, more stealths with animation/cast time. You have 18k hp or so with marauder which is almost the same as zerker warrior which they sort of need to keep up with dps. Zerker ele has 11k hp so they are forced to run marauder, except, they have only one TP and their stability lasts for such a short time and can be easily kited/waited out, they cant get out without their 32/40 sec TP while a thief always can

thieves and mesmers are insanely forgiving in this game which is hilarious cuz they’re supposed to take skill

Pimsley.3681:

I’ve also experimented with Berserker during BW3. Difference between it and other elites is that it requires much higher effort. I haven’t hit the right “note” just yet build-wise on Berserker and I keep falling back to the Rampage warrior build because it felt more synchronized.

Edit: I tried Berserker with Carrion and Celestial ammy lol.

nicknamenick.2437:

Mooncow.6847:

Why would quickness and slow not affect how fast a movement animation went? This change hurt warriors so hard, and was very unnecessary

PLs dont, in fact it was hurting the warrior more then it did good..
Quickness makes your leaps faster (resulting in a much SHORTER leaps…)

Now this may not be bad for Evi, but it was really hurting Earthshaker and rush/bulls, and in small way shield bash.

You have no idea how many rush and bulls but most of all earthshaker missed because it didnt reached what it should be. it was really hurting it more

you’re dum as kitten

quickness makes your leaps faster and thats bad how exactly? LOL. I’ll trade shorter distance for faster animation/effect/dmg any day. When you cast whirlwind/earthquake/rush without quickness every kittened kid will just dodge it np and in WW’s case you wont even hit all your hits and you’ll do super kittenty damage.

If quickness doesn’t work for warrior then basically

GS 3,5
axe f1
sword 2
hammer f1
shield 4
bull’s rush
rampage’s 2,3,5
and whatever else im forgetting are kittening kitten and slow as hell and useless and nerfed as kitten wtf

imagine u play kittening gs/axe + shield warrior with rampage and you use frenzy and proc heightened focus 10 seconds of quickness then you do gs 3,5, swap to axe do 4 f1 and go rampage and do all ur kitten and if this was last patch you’d have dropped 10 kittens but if this is this patch your quickness will end by the time you do gs 3 because thats how kittening slow it is

if u think shorter dash distances made warrior worse then ur just a scrub

Nier.8741:

These devs are just so incomptent. The whole meta right now is just stacking tankiness and unblockables. It’s just not skill-based anymore, thanks ANET devs.

I want my refund, this game is so bad now. June 23 was almost a great patch but ANET devs never fail to amaze me with their failure.

qft

I feel the same. I feel like these devs have no clue what they’re doing. I don’t understand why they keep promoting bullkitten like Unrelenting assault from revenant which is one button gap-closer, huge damage (50%+ of cele ppl in one skill) + iframes at the same time. There are too many easy kitten skills like that, thief for example, one skill with everything so u basically just need to tab and spam that button and hows that a fun mechanic?

I much prefer warrior 100b instead, the skill is straightforward and obvious and fair, if you can’t dodge it then you get huge damage and if he gets a good setup you get a huge damage. No illusion bullkitten that relies on the chaos of the fight where you can barely see kitten from all the cancer spam in this game or some other cheesy bullkitten. Its just manly and fair.

I also agree about the balance part, it feels like the patch before HoT was good to all classes and dps warriors included because they are fun to play and at the same time fair unlike kittenty mesmers or thieves cause with them if you ever fail you can just press a button for instant on-demand-stealth that has no cast animation or anything and is 100% easy mode forgiving

Hannibal.5739:

There is no such thing as “balance”.
MMORPGs been out for quite some time & in the few yrs I’ve been playing them I’ve never heard of PvP being balanced.

korean mmos are way better than western ones

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/GW-Skill-Class-Balance-is-Terrible/5671263

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/GW-Skill-Class-Balance-is-Terrible/5675067

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/GW-Skill-Class-Balance-is-Terrible/5678700

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/What-s-Going-On-w-Warriors/5671394

clearly i second that

fix the kitten quickness so at least warriors can be fun vs this new age overpowered cancer

guard LB one arrow does same dmg as ranger Lb 10 arrows

they’re tankier, they have teleports/more mobility, insane traps

hilarious arena net , hilarious

warrior is so kittened by this quickness change cuz half of their skills are unaffected by it when they relied so much on it

now frenzy/heightened focus is like useless since half of ur skills are dashes so they dont work

SolarDragon.7063:

Just a note, the quickness changes to rush skills was actually BECAUSE of warriors and others with similar skills complaining that it screwed up their skill ranges.

only the most casual scrub would complain about it and since when is a game balanced around casual kittenters ? (except league which is also balanced on higher levels but its mostly a cash-grab game anyway and they’d do anything for the numbers)

quickness didnt screw up warrior skills at all, it just made them that much faster and better and now playing warrior with heightened focus and frenzy feels kittened cause you’re slow as hell

warrior has always been the only fair class in this game because its obvious and it can outplay you like you can outplay it

no cancer unpredictable bullkitten mechanics like stealth or teleports which are so many and so broken, as a thief if you do smt dumb and fail you can just stealth and tp away. as a warrior you die a manly death and thats it

now this new patch nerfed quickness and warriors with it and everything is kittened up

This game has been progressively getting worse and worse with every single patch but the one before HoT was pretty good, dps and condition builds had plenty of viable stuff and overall the trait rework was much better for all the classes plus it was fun to play

Then heart of thorns comes with the worst F2P model there is, you can’t have a f2p game in which people that pay have access to more skills not just content cause thats just P2w. Especially considering how ridiculously overpowered the new specializations are.

I wonder if arena net even has game testers or play their own game themselves because i seriously doubt if they did they would release something as ridiculous and kittened as druids or maybe they are just utterly horrible and cant find even semi-optimal build which everybody seems to be running to be unkillable blind-bot. Tank guards were easy as hell before but now druids are even easier than them and that was already a lot.

Also, you people from arena net seem to have some fetish with kittened skills like revenant 3 or whatever it is the one where he teleports around you, does 15mil damage which u cant dodge unless you use your dodges with your limited endurance that you already need for all the other cancer in the game. I don’t understand why there are so many overly-forgiving easy to use skills in this game ? Same as thief 3 which is gap closer, unblockable blind, huge dmg, lol pls and have in mind that revenant one is even more kittened

and then there are mesmers that were already the most overpowered class but no, lets buff them even more, 20 seconds of distortion were not enough so lets give em 20 sec of block and more stuns so they can set up their F1 that already oneshots people even easier

and then they added stealth to engineers, cause stealth wasnt already teh most cancerous and unfun mechanic in the game so lets add more of it. What stealth does is – if you make a mistake or are kittened and end up mis-stepping or just going 3v1 you can always just press stealth and disengage, while a warrior or elementalist can do what exactly? oh right they can die a miserable death and call it class balance. Engineers were already OP and had a stealth why the hell did you add this one ? not to mention their hammer skills do 5 times more dmg than warrior hammer skills

all in all, this patch is horrible balance wise , and if that wasnt enough

FIX THE kittenING QUICKNESS
FIX THE kittenING QUICKNESS
FIX THE kittenING QUICKNESS
FIX THE kittenING QUICKNESS
FIX THE kittenING QUICKNESS

with what mind in your head did you make the change quickness not to affect dash skills which are half of warrior’s skills ? do you have a clue how annoying warrior is to play right now? From the most fun class to underpowered and boring kittenty kitten, like underpowered only wasn’t enough so no lets make it annoying as hell to play when you cant hit a single whirlwind or rush cuz they take 14 seconds to cast

Phineas Poe.3018:

incisorr.9502:

has it? no matter how you look at it , one guy having access to skills against one guy not having access to skills is unfair

Dude, it’s a freaking expansion.

you’re kittening kittened

nicknamenick.2437:

About warrior Nerf, i find this Quickness change a Buff… and i asked about this many times.
Quickness normally reduced your leap distance, so quickness was kinda bad..

warrior is unplayable for me right now and if they don’t revert this kitten change ill probably quit it even tho its my main since 3 years

it doesn’t matter if quickness reduced your dash distance by 20-30% (its not even 50%) because it made the startup and finish much faster so you could actually use them for damage as they are actually supposed to be. You could hit Rush and Whirlwind much faster or hammer F1 which you need for dmg/their effects more than for their dash distance..

Phineas Poe.3018:

The definition of P2W really has changed over the years.

has it? no matter how you look at it , one guy having access to skills against one guy not having access to skills is unfair

character skills =/= content
or at the very least put non p2w vs nonp2w and p2w vs p2w only and not match them, but they wont’do that cuz then queue will be dead

name me one single game in which regardless of their f2p model, a guy has more skills than the other guy?

> p2w
> ridiculously overpowered must-have -new specs which is why its p2w
> more kitten and broken mechanics like mesmer being more OP when it was already teh most op class – you gave it kittening block and more invulnerabilities so now it can be invul for 30 kittening seconds np until they oneshot you with their extra stuns to set their kitten up , necro became spin 2win kittened easy mode kitten when it wasn’t before, elementalists are kittening dumb as kittening kitten with this lighting kitten overcharge its so kittening broken way to go, engineer with superspeed and infinite aoe stealth and free stomp while running around plz rofl . Revenants with their free defiant stance which is broken as F + unrelenting assault dumbest type of mechanics to ever kittening exist, invulnerable while doing damage without having to aim or gap close or anything
> no pay no win no chansuuuuuu
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7fsJ5Fnpiw

> on top of that warriors were hugely kittening nerfed because quickness doesnt affect half of their skills now

arena net developers have to be kittening trolls or really bad, i don’t understand why am i not employed and people like these are
wanna tell me what the kitten were you smoking before you decided quickness to not affect movement skills? (which are half of warrior skills). I literally noticed the change within 2 minutes of playing warrior and i didnt even read the patch notes to realize what a kittening dumb thing you guys did

Why can’t anet just add a dps meter which shows who did what damage at the end of the game and maybe make top neutralizer/kills/skirmisher in the form of some tokens you get at the end of teh screen so your kittened randoms can see how much work you do? And there should also be a statistic which shows how long you’ve fought on point which you have owned

this way i wont have delusional kittens flaming me thinking they did good by failing 3v1 on some point while i was too busy stalling / running from 1v2 where i managed to decap point and steal svanir

i dont know if theres mmr or not but it wasn’t so bad when i just re-started playing and now every game some kitten flames me because i dont use the build he wants and not based on my results which is what he should take into account rather than if i copied a build from metabattle or not. Everyone can copy a build so why the kitten do some people think they can act all superior and condescending cus they run the meta build.

People in this game are massively delusional and they have incredibly kitten judgement and sense of reality and they literally have no clue whats going on but they have their big kitten mouths working for them with their pathetic prejudice which is what all casual and mediocre players are made of.
Best part is today im running a build with 2.8k attack (without might stacks so its over 3k+ almost always cus i have hoelbrak) and 100% crit rate and i drop 3 dudes in 15 seconds and when we lose cause our dudes literally die 3v2 the entire game and the kid tells me ,out of spite, “YOU DO NO DAMAGE YOU”RE USELESS" hue. I not only did damage but i did by far the most objectives and was everywhere that mattered and we still lost and i get insulted by this trash like seriously
then i get whispered by other kids telling me how they are pro gamers because they got 3rd place in some random tournament (probably out of 3 teams) and they demand respect even tho they play like kitten and show nothing to be respected for its just sad and pathetic

too bad we all know nothing good is ever gonna happen cus anet loves rock paper scissors , build wars 2, and crappy pvp format (5v5 is by far the worst pvp format and i can explain) so people can always blame zerg or build rather than game balance or skill

i played mesmer and it was easy and forgiving , you have so many escapes and your damage is huge even if you suck

engineer is the easiest class

warrior sucks if ppl know how to play vs it