Guild Wars 2

We try to have fun, and we like to kick kitten doing it. Our NA/SA crew is top notch, we usually tick at 300+ on reset nights and during our primetime. Just ONE solid Oceanic/Asian/EU guild would make us a solid second place in T3. This solid guild would have great fights in T3 with LOTS of bags to collect! Come on by!

So, SoS is the new Ehmry Bay, huh? That’s cute.

“All of these other servers are always picking on us!”

It’s nice to know about this alliance, because I was fighting DB all night in YBBL. Maybe they didn’t get the memo?

Score update…

[TYSM] … You guys are really good. We have a lot to learn from you!

Keep up the good fights!

Boreal.9826:

Ah, ok. I do run into [GH] much more often than you guys.

Haven’t seen [ECHO] yet, but then I haven’t been playing much this week.

I thoroughly enjoy fighting [GH]. It’s always an interesting fight because they have this never ending supply of nasty little tricks they can pull.

That [Seks] guild takes turtling to a whole new level. I’m not bashing them at all, btw. They are REALLY good at what they do! They are really disciplined. It is a lot harder than it may appear to get 30+ people to stay close to a commander. It takes a lot of bulldog-style leadership to do it.

Ikarushka.9564:

Archer.1658:

patricide.1062:

Archer.1658:

Hey there, buddy! Well, I never messaged you because my guys don’t want to find time to do it. To quote one of them, “You want us to take time out of our day to fight some forum troll? No thanks, I have better things to do.”

I know, I know. You’re gonna say something like “you n00bs are just skeered kitten!”
Whatever. You keep saying how you just annihilate all YB ‘cause we are just SO bad. I haven’t seen any videos nor do I know your guild tag so I can see who it is that is talking so much trash. At any rate, next time we have a reset night against EBay I’ll message you personally and let you know where we are going. Bring FRAPS and capture yourself stomping us into the mud over and over.

Now, can we please ignore the forum troll? He brings a lot of hate into an otherwise amicable matchup.

So pretty much the same response as last time “uh..we can’t do anything but zerg with 40 people”. Dodging the infamous 5v5/10v10. Let me know the time and place when you are ready to accept the challenge. Also, you better start training your guildies because from this point on, I will be humiliating them to the fullest extent until you meet the challenge commander. I implore you to stop posting, you make your guild look foolish with your cowardliness every time.

I still don’t see what your guild tag is?

WAIT YOU ARE RIGHT I ARE SO SCARED. Look, dude, we run organized teams designed to A) prevail in the open field, and take and/or hold objectives. 10v10 matches are a waste of my time because that is not what happens naturally through the course of our WvW nights. Our smallest team is a 10 man team that is designed to and practices holding objectives. Yeah, fight my 10 man team who use bunker specs and are well rehearsed with siege usage and placement in the open field. You will slaughter them because that’s not what they are there for.

I have stomped many WM groups, many GODS groups, many FTF groups, etc. Is that indicative of the entire guild? Why no, it’s not. You have my account name. Come find me and stomp me into the mud! I’m kind of done with this conversation, as obvious troll is obviously suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Take care, now.

Nvm~ This was way too much.

Haha, you guys are just playing two different games, and (from what it seems) are both winning in your respective game. Yet, instead of being happy about winning in your particular version of WvW yall chose to kitten on the forum

You’re right. I have been crapping on the forums in a personal little feud. I apologize.

Archer.1658:

patricide.1062:

Archer.1658:

patricide.1062:

Archer.1658:

Hey there, buddy! Well, I never messaged you because my guys don’t want to find time to do it. To quote one of them, “You want us to take time out of our day to fight some forum troll? No thanks, I have better things to do.”

I know, I know. You’re gonna say something like “you n00bs are just skeered kitten!”
Whatever. You keep saying how you just annihilate all YB ‘cause we are just SO bad. I haven’t seen any videos nor do I know your guild tag so I can see who it is that is talking so much trash. At any rate, next time we have a reset night against EBay I’ll message you personally and let you know where we are going. Bring FRAPS and capture yourself stomping us into the mud over and over.

Now, can we please ignore the forum troll? He brings a lot of hate into an otherwise amicable matchup.

So pretty much the same response as last time “uh..we can’t do anything but zerg with 40 people”. Dodging the infamous 5v5/10v10. Let me know the time and place when you are ready to accept the challenge. Also, you better start training your guildies because from this point on, I will be humiliating them to the fullest extent until you meet the challenge commander. I implore you to stop posting, you make your guild look foolish with your cowardliness every time.

I still don’t see what your guild tag is?

WAIT YOU ARE RIGHT I ARE SO SCARED. Look, dude, we run organized teams designed to A) prevail in the open field, and take and/or hold objectives. 10v10 matches are a waste of my time because that is not what happens naturally through the course of our WvW nights. Our smallest team is a 10 man team that is designed to and practices holding objectives. Yeah, fight my 10 man team who use bunker specs and are well rehearsed with siege usage and placement in the open field. You will slaughter them because that’s not what they are there for.

I have stomped many WM groups, many GODS groups, many FTF groups, etc. Is that indicative of the entire guild? Why no, it’s not. You have my account name. Come find me and stomp me into the mud! I’m kind of done with this conversation, as obvious troll is obviously suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Take care, now.

Oh im sorry [ECHO], come find me if you can get past your 40 man zerg to make it to the front commander. So all I see are excuses, and that your a PvGate guild with no talent but zerging with superior numbers. I’ll take that as challenged denied for the second time, please relinquish your title as commander for you are no more than a weakling.

You’re right. I ARE SO WEAK. I SHOULD UNINSTALL CAUSE ARCHER NO LIKE ME.

Grow up, ole boy. Like I said, if you find us naturally we will fight any time. Setting up these silly fight clubs to see whose kitten is the largest is for… well, I’ll just say, “someone else.”

Have a good day, and good hunting.

I took back those remarks, it was too much. You are right you should play how you like, you want to siege, become the best siegers you can.

Thank you That’s all I’ve been trying to say. I’m a HUGE fan of the Total War series and as such I’m a sucker for those big, epic fights. I’m pressed for time as it is and I just wanna hop in, have some big fights, and log.

Since we aren’t bashing each other, I’m down for a 1v1 if you want to. It’s not really my skillset, but I won’t back away from a personal challenge as long as it’s in good fun and not for kitten measuring :P

Also, I apologize for my remarks above.

See? RAINBOWS AND UNICORN LOVE FOR EVERYONE

Brando.1374:

patricide.1062:

Archer.1658:

patricide.1062:

Archer.1658:

Hey there, buddy! Well, I never messaged you because my guys don’t want to find time to do it. To quote one of them, “You want us to take time out of our day to fight some forum troll? No thanks, I have better things to do.”

I know, I know. You’re gonna say something like “you n00bs are just skeered kitten!”
Whatever. You keep saying how you just annihilate all YB ‘cause we are just SO bad. I haven’t seen any videos nor do I know your guild tag so I can see who it is that is talking so much trash. At any rate, next time we have a reset night against EBay I’ll message you personally and let you know where we are going. Bring FRAPS and capture yourself stomping us into the mud over and over.

Now, can we please ignore the forum troll? He brings a lot of hate into an otherwise amicable matchup.

So pretty much the same response as last time “uh..we can’t do anything but zerg with 40 people”. Dodging the infamous 5v5/10v10. Let me know the time and place when you are ready to accept the challenge. Also, you better start training your guildies because from this point on, I will be humiliating them to the fullest extent until you meet the challenge commander. I implore you to stop posting, you make your guild look foolish with your cowardliness every time.

I still don’t see what your guild tag is?

WAIT YOU ARE RIGHT I ARE SO SCARED. Look, dude, we run organized teams designed to A) prevail in the open field, and take and/or hold objectives. 10v10 matches are a waste of my time because that is not what happens naturally through the course of our WvW nights. Our smallest team is a 10 man team that is designed to and practices holding objectives. Yeah, fight my 10 man team who use bunker specs and are well rehearsed with siege usage and placement in the open field. You will slaughter them because that’s not what they are there for.

I have stomped many WM groups, many GODS groups, many FTF groups, etc. Is that indicative of the entire guild? Why no, it’s not. You have my account name. Come find me and stomp me into the mud! I’m kind of done with this conversation, as obvious troll is obviously suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Take care, now.

Oh im sorry [ECHO], come find me if you can get past your 40 man zerg to make it to the front commander. So all I see are excuses, and that your a PvGate guild with no talent but zerging with superior numbers. I’ll take that as challenged denied for the second time, please relinquish your title as commander for you are no more than a weakling.

You’re right. I ARE SO WEAK. I SHOULD UNINSTALL CAUSE ARCHER NO LIKE ME.

Grow up, ole boy. Like I said, if you find us naturally we will fight any time. Setting up these silly fight clubs to see whose kitten is the largest is for… well, I’ll just say, “someone else.”

Have a good day, and good hunting.

in that case we should naturally find each other in fight club

I’m down. I can do a little 1v1, though I don’t have much practice. As a support guardian I usually try to keep my teammates alive and keep stability on them. As long as it’s in good fun and not for kitten measuring, I’m totally in. I’m only available in a small window; between caring for a pregnant wife, engineering school, and trying to get the stinkin’ VA to get my account straight I have little time these days. Message me on the forums or send in game mail, if you don’t mind.

Archer.1658:

patricide.1062:

Archer.1658:

Hey there, buddy! Well, I never messaged you because my guys don’t want to find time to do it. To quote one of them, “You want us to take time out of our day to fight some forum troll? No thanks, I have better things to do.”

I know, I know. You’re gonna say something like “you n00bs are just skeered kitten!”
Whatever. You keep saying how you just annihilate all YB ‘cause we are just SO bad. I haven’t seen any videos nor do I know your guild tag so I can see who it is that is talking so much trash. At any rate, next time we have a reset night against EBay I’ll message you personally and let you know where we are going. Bring FRAPS and capture yourself stomping us into the mud over and over.

Now, can we please ignore the forum troll? He brings a lot of hate into an otherwise amicable matchup.

So pretty much the same response as last time “uh..we can’t do anything but zerg with 40 people”. Dodging the infamous 5v5/10v10. Let me know the time and place when you are ready to accept the challenge. Also, you better start training your guildies because from this point on, I will be humiliating them to the fullest extent until you meet the challenge commander. I implore you to stop posting, you make your guild look foolish with your cowardliness every time.

I still don’t see what your guild tag is?

WAIT YOU ARE RIGHT I ARE SO SCARED. Look, dude, we run organized teams designed to A) prevail in the open field, and take and/or hold objectives. 10v10 matches are a waste of my time because that is not what happens naturally through the course of our WvW nights. Our smallest team is a 10 man team that is designed to and practices holding objectives. Yeah, fight my 10 man team who use bunker specs and are well rehearsed with siege usage and placement in the open field. You will slaughter them because that’s not what they are there for.

I have stomped many WM groups, many GODS groups, many FTF groups, etc. Is that indicative of the entire guild? Why no, it’s not. You have my account name. Come find me and stomp me into the mud! I’m kind of done with this conversation, as obvious troll is obviously suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Take care, now.

Oh im sorry [ECHO], come find me if you can get past your 40 man zerg to make it to the front commander. So all I see are excuses, and that your a PvGate guild with no talent but zerging with superior numbers. I’ll take that as challenged denied for the second time, please relinquish your title as commander for you are no more than a weakling.

You’re right. I ARE SO WEAK. I SHOULD UNINSTALL CAUSE ARCHER NO LIKE ME.

Grow up, ole boy. Like I said, if you find us naturally we will fight any time. Setting up these silly fight clubs to see whose kitten is the largest is for… well, I’ll just say, “someone else.”

Have a good day, and good hunting.

jehk.5728:

Archer.1658:

Why is holding 5-15 pts + farming the enemies zerg meaningless? It took yak 25 people, 3 trebs, 2 balistas and three arrow carts to retake a supply camp from what I think was 10 people, I would say those are the people contributing to the loss of your servers score sir. Let me ask you something too, what do you see SM as for yourself? Do you see it as the 30 points only that will add to the ppt and merely just siege away brainlessly? We go for SM because it is fun and when we hold it, it takes an army to get it back, and by that time we are tired and fat from all the loot we farmed.

Back capping. Do you understand how the score updates? Do you understand what those people holding you in are allowing the rest of us to do? Do you understand how little effort is required to take points when you’re pinned down / turtled like that? Small groups often take a number of points.

I’ve rarely seen effective counter siege from ebay so the biggest benefit from SM is moot. We just flip it so it’s defenses don’t get built up. Right now you guys are trying to siege OL from vista hill while we hold SM. That’s brainless.

It’s cool. I understand playing for fun. However, you talk about competition but seem intent on making excuses for avoiding it.

Honestly? As much as it grosses me out I agree with Archer. Holding SW camp and badge farming is great fun. We’ve had a similar situation where Kaineng had to bring like 30 people + siege to dislodge us. It was a lot of fun and our guild learned a valuable lesson. While I think ole boy should chill out on the forum trolling, I don’t think anyone should bash the guy for playing how he wants. He likes small team stuff. That’s his thing and he has fun doing it.

I… I need to shower now.

Wait, isn’t ECHO like a subdivision of FTF or something? I love FTF. Classy guild that gives us good fights.

Brando.1374:

Subtle.4596:

What guild is that Archer guy in?

[ECHO]

Thanks! I’m not familiar with you guys. I don’t think I’ve come across you all. Do you have a YT channel or anything?

Archer.1658:

Hey there, buddy! Well, I never messaged you because my guys don’t want to find time to do it. To quote one of them, “You want us to take time out of our day to fight some forum troll? No thanks, I have better things to do.”

I know, I know. You’re gonna say something like “you n00bs are just skeered kitten!”
Whatever. You keep saying how you just annihilate all YB ‘cause we are just SO bad. I haven’t seen any videos nor do I know your guild tag so I can see who it is that is talking so much trash. At any rate, next time we have a reset night against EBay I’ll message you personally and let you know where we are going. Bring FRAPS and capture yourself stomping us into the mud over and over.

Now, can we please ignore the forum troll? He brings a lot of hate into an otherwise amicable matchup.

So pretty much the same response as last time “uh..we can’t do anything but zerg with 40 people”. Dodging the infamous 5v5/10v10. Let me know the time and place when you are ready to accept the challenge. Also, you better start training your guildies because from this point on, I will be humiliating them to the fullest extent until you meet the challenge commander. I implore you to stop posting, you make your guild look foolish with your cowardliness every time.

I still don’t see what your guild tag is?

WAIT YOU ARE RIGHT I ARE SO SCARED. Look, dude, we run organized teams designed to A) prevail in the open field, and take and/or hold objectives. 10v10 matches are a waste of my time because that is not what happens naturally through the course of our WvW nights. Our smallest team is a 10 man team that is designed to and practices holding objectives. Yeah, fight my 10 man team who use bunker specs and are well rehearsed with siege usage and placement in the open field. You will slaughter them because that’s not what they are there for.

I have stomped many WM groups, many GODS groups, many FTF groups, etc. Is that indicative of the entire guild? Why no, it’s not. You have my account name. Come find me and stomp me into the mud!

EDITED :: Took away my personal little jab, there.

Archer.1658:

Facet.5914:

Archer.1658:

Facet.5914:

Archer.1658:

Facet.5914:

For Faux Sake.8457:

Facet.5914:

Nice fight on EBBL tonight. Almost had Bay on numerous occasions, but I think EB must have summoned their entire WvW force to save it… barely.

We actually didn’t have that many people. There were hardly enough people to man the siege for the most part. The only reason it seemed like we had so many probably was since everyone who died would use the waypoint whenever it reset in the bay, and that waypoint is right there in the lords room where all the fighting was going on. You guys would nearly wipe us then we would revive in force enough to surprise those not expecting 25 more people suddenly to be in the fight.

We also had groups protecting dolyaks, running supply from garrison, etc etc the whole time… almost completely ignored.

Naw, I could count you guys pretty well whenever you pushed out into the open, you had at least 40 for sure, more if you count the runners and yak escorts. Meanwhile you lost everything else outside your BL, so the rational conclusion to me is that all your dudes were defending Bay.

Speaking of runners and escorts, yeah we did kitten that up pretty bad. I think everyone was having too much fun farming bags to go do the chores. =/ You guys are still pretty squishy out in the open but you’ve definitely improved your keep defense, props.

Recheck your eyes, Ebay dominates the open field with yaks bend every time. We had maybe 20 people total defending excluding runners. Sorry to rain on your parade.

Laughable, nice flame bait though. EB has some guilds that can wipe our pugs, and apparently you can defend 1700 Keeps if you summon your entire weekend NA primetime force of “20 people.” But YB dominates open field equal numbers, when our main guilds are actually present.

Obvious troll is Obvious. What main guilds? I’d love to hear this because I’ve stomped people from Rawr to CL to War. What guilds am I missing so I am to prepare myself against these superior enemies sir?

Lol Archer accusing others of trolling. I honestly can’t remember ever wiping to EB in months except under local numbers disadvantage. You guys get wiped hard by Rawr, War, Badgers, etc every reset, and honestly these guilds do not even try very hard in this tier as there are no difficult opponents. Rawr went about 20-0 last week on T3 reset, even wiped FA and DB’s zergs 1v2 at one point. Which EB guilds are you so proud of? GH, FTF, pk are easy wipes in the open. Hell, our pugs can do that half the time.

Not sure why so many are ragging on CL either, they slaughtered you pretty well this Sunday even with your defenders advantage.

Archer.1658:

Thanks Captain Obvious, I’ll write this down in my journal of amazing writings of the last millennium. DR and AD are superior to Yaks bend in every way possible and I have a lot of respect for how well they run, Maguuma is better than Yaks Bend as well. In fact other than Yaks bend themselves, I dont believe anyone thinks they are relatively good in open combat. So what if it’s a game? It’s competition, I suppose you play for the PvE content. Not even worth my time.

So full of hate, you must be very resentful for having lost to YB so many times, both in battle and on the scoreboard.

Oh? http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/history/23#NA. So i guess you tried really hard here right? You think you’re wiping us at reset because of being superior? Darn right delusional if you think that’s the case, look at the population difference, why weren’t you wiping FA or DB so easily, oh right they are better and have more players, and don’t say “they are more skilled” because you clearly wiped them 1v2! Caught and tied up, go back under the bridge troll. Also rawr never messaged me for those 5v5 or 10v10’s, i wonder why.

Hey there, buddy! Well, I never messaged you because my guys don’t want to find time to do it. To quote one of them, “You want us to take time out of our day to fight some forum troll? No thanks, I have better things to do.”

I know, I know. You’re gonna say something like “you n00bs are just skeered kitten!”
Whatever. You keep saying how you just annihilate all YB ‘cause we are just SO bad. I haven’t seen any videos nor do I know your guild tag so I can see who it is that is talking so much trash. At any rate, next time we have a reset night against EBay I’ll message you personally and let you know where we are going. Bring FRAPS and capture yourself stomping us into the mud over and over.

Now, can we please ignore the forum troll? He brings a lot of hate into an otherwise amicable matchup.

Honestly, though… A well placed treb from inner or from supporting towers/keeps can wipe out a golem rush before they get the gate to 50%. It’s just a matter of having disciplined scouts and maintaining your defensive siege.

Oglaf.1074:

Only thing I can think about is AFK people in those golems.

There is no realistic scenario where 10+ golems should fall to Oil before smashing a gate down.

I’ll see your “10 golems can’t fail” and raise you “41 golems just failed.”

I’ll give you that these guys were undisciplined as hell, BUT our scouts (I was one of the commander on EBG that day) had spotted them building golems at least an hour before this happened. Because we used scouts properly we were well prepared.

Archer.1658:

patricide.1062:

Archer.1658:

No I just call it as I see it, you want to claim victory on the fact you are “superior in organization” when in reality it’s just numbers. Since the last time we were in t4 we lost 6-8 guilds. How many did you gain YB? YB skill level is about the same as Kaineing Pugs, get real here.

Like I said, dude. You and your obviously elite compatriots are more than welcome to come find my guild when we are raiding. I’ll even tell you when and where we are raiding. Still haven’t received a response from you, though.

I’d rather not have my 10 man crushed by a 40 man zerg. But if you want a 5v5 or a 10v10 feel free to whisper me if you can manage the organization.

We might do that. It’s not really our thing to arrange these matches (that’s what sPvP is for), but if it will make you quit QQing then we might just do it.

Archer.1658:

No I just call it as I see it, you want to claim victory on the fact you are “superior in organization” when in reality it’s just numbers. Since the last time we were in t4 we lost 6-8 guilds. How many did you gain YB? YB skill level is about the same as Kaineing Pugs, get real here.

Like I said, dude. You and your obviously elite compatriots are more than welcome to come find my guild when we are raiding. I’ll even tell you when and where we are raiding. Still haven’t received a response from you, though.

Skynet.7201:

This is one of the MOST epic 3-way battles for SM I have ever been in.

/popcorn

Yeah that was pretty awesome. SO laggy though! That’s the thing I hate about those 3-way battles. My stun breakers didn’t work or I just lagged then death.

Man, when we saw EBay pushing back into SM we golem rushed Valley so EBay could paper up SM (or at least take it away from CD, which is cool too). They couldn’t capitalize, however

To the CD guild [KOME] that we fought all night in the southern half of EBG : good fights! We had a blast in our back and forth struggle with you! From Danelon, to Hyleks, to Golanta, then Hyleks, then Danelon… all night! Your guild repelled us from Langor a few times with good tactics! Hats off.

Archer.1658:

santi.7516:

Archer.1658:

Gotta love how YB will never admit they only win by zerging and by out numbering. Hey guys we outnumber you, but it has nothing to do with that, we’re just super organized! Also, its funny how YB will always double team us whenever we are in this tier. Happened every time with Mag. Keep on trucking.

With such an argument, it’s not even worth to deal with you, enjoy your downfall to tier 5.

There’s no need to be upset when faced with the undeniable truth. At least people in tier 5 had some respectable skill.

Next reset I’ll let you know where [Rawr] is going and you and your mightily skilled compatriots can come fight us. We field, at most, 40 very organized people. We will have good fights and we will all be happy. Cool?

By the way, did it ever occur to you that every BL has TWO attacking teams being funneled by terrain into the defenders? Seriously, YB gets double teamed by EBay and CD on YBBL. CD gets double teamed by YB and EBay on CDBL. You don’t see us complaining about getting double teamed.

Archer.1658:

Gotta love how YB will never admit they only win by zerging and by out numbering. Hey guys we outnumber you, but it has nothing to do with that, we’re just super organized! Also, its funny how YB will always double team us whenever we are in this tier. Happened every time with Mag. Keep on trucking.

I forgot about EBay. Always getting double teamed. Poor fellers.

Archer.1658:

oZii.2864:

Archer.1658:

Zerg zerg more zerg, zerg zerg zerg. Thieves that are perma stealth, rifle warriors who stand behind zergs, culling issues, what more do you want in this crap kitten tier.

you should edit this really. this implies that you prefer rifle warriors to be in the front of a zerg? o.O wouldn’t those be bad rifle warriors then? I don’t see cluster bomb thieves in the front of zergs thts baaaaad. Unless you enjoy fighting people that do bad things like that then more power to you.

Everything else you stated happens in every tier either your Server is the Zerger or the Zerged. The zerged will call you the Zerger. All depends on your population in relation to your opponents.

Let me rephrase that. CD and YB have huge zergs everywhere, all they do is zerg, more zerg, sometimes break up into 20 man zergs, then zerg some more. Of all professions i’ve seen today is crap glass cannon thiefs, rifle warriors who just sit behind the zerg kill shotting everyone for an easy 10k because omg they are too glass cannon. And then theres the thiefs who are spamming black powder with heart seeker spam for infinite stealth. Yes this tier is amazing. Oh and in addition, CD has been using gears a lot.

Funny, an organized 30 man guild team isn’t a zerg. You… know that, right? I mean, you have to. Right?

I will say one thing though, stop bring up GW1 GvG. Unless any of you here was actually a top 10 player in GW1 for more than just 1 month, then comparing GW1 GvG to what we have here is an insult.

This. SDS (Seven Deadly Sins) was a top 50 guild and just being in the top 50 was brutal. The competitive difference between GvG and WvW is like day and night. It does a disservice to the hardcore GvGers of old.

Yerffejy.6538:

Lebannen.8325:

Honestly, what would spending the 100g accomplish? To get a nifty blue tag? No. I wont become one until I feel I have earned it. That is the core problem behind the commander system anyone can become one with 100g. You can buy the gems, or get people to donate it to you. Nothing earned. It is just a money sink right now in its current iteration.

I do not play at night, I play in the mornings only. This isnt a real military where Officers lead and NCO’s follow or risk jail time. Respect is earned, not given because you have 100g.

I refuse to listen to commanders with horrible tactics, and will encourage everyone around me to do the same. You show me a leader that is willing to admit they were wrong and change tactics, and actually listen to reason. People will follow that guy.

So much to offer in criticisms of the commanders. And you don’t care to become one. Even though obviously you know all the right tactics to use, and when to use them.

You also deem yourself unworthy of commanding. Yet you are worthy enough to criticize every action, and expect to be considered right? Try walking in a commander’s shoes sometime, and then you can have the background to criticize. It is so easy to say what went wrong AFTER the fact. But let’s have you lead a group of people, think on your feet, and see how many mistakes YOU make, and then we can call you out on the forums, detailing your failings.

I have the utmost respect for anyone who wears the tag in SBI. It’s not easy to lead against often impossible odds. And many commanders keep going out everyday, fighting those odds. I can barely stand a few hours at the most of fighting like that, and they are there everyday.

TL;DR
Actually command for awhile, and then I will take what you say seriously. Until then, you are a whiner that I encourage to leave the server.

I have to say that you make a lot of sense. This isn’t limited to GW2; IRL it’s easy to criticize the leadership (especially AFTER the fact with that 20/20 hindsight) but it’s far more difficult to actually take up the mantle and lead. Anyone who thinks a good leader is someone who doesn’t make mistakes is living in a fantasy land. A good leader is someone who learns from their mistakes and listen to constructive criticism (as far as GW2 goes, anyways). Obviously there are quite a few more qualifiers there, but they are irrelevant to the topic.

EDIT :: Another thing: no one will listen to you if you don’t approach them in an assertive and constructive manner. Saying “L2P n00b you suck delete ur account lol” will just lead to those people ignoring you, even when you have good ideas! I’m an outsider looking in, but it pains me to see SBI fighting like this. You guys are good competition and I look forward to seeing you guys crawl back up again soon.

I gotta say, I agree with increasing the AOE cap. However, people that complain about not being able to win in a 5v30+ are just… unrealistic. A decent zerg can and SHOULD be able to run over a small group of say, 5. I know, I know, I’m a “zerg baby,” right? Whatever.

The reality is that you CAN win in a 5v30 OVER TIME using TERRAIN. Take advantage of the zerg mentality and curl some of those little zerglings off. Kill the 6 or 7 that follow you. Then wash/rinse/repeat. If they catch on then switch things up. Set up an impromptu choke defense with a ballista. See a zerg at SW BL tower? Lure them into SW camp. Maybe string them out across the bridge. However, at no point should you expect to have an open field engagement of 5v30+ with the smaller team prevailing. The game would be broken if that did happen.

Of course, this won’t work if you run into a disciplined guild team of 30 people. Then again, that’s not really a ZERG, is it? I see people mistakenly calling large guild teams “zergs” a lot. A zerg, to me, is an uncoordinated mass of players with little to no teamwork. My 25 man guild team (consisting of 3 5 man squads and a 10 man team) is NOT a zerg and will run over your 5 man gank squad.

TL;DR – There are ways to negate large numbers, it’s the same thing you do in real warfare… shape the battlefield to your liking and lure them into YOUR battlefield. Large, organized guild teams should be able to kill 5 man teams.

Too Frisky.9165:

I predict this week’s match up to follow in the footstep’s of last weeks. Yak’s Bend makes a huge and impressive showing for the weekend and then – BOOM – Crystal Desert’s Oceanic guilds lay waste to the point ticks during the night while the rest of us slumber. Meanwhile, SBI is having fun working with what is left of our server population.

As an SBI player, it’s disheartening to see minimal coverage during the daytime and the complete absence of it during the night. It is generally fun playing against Crystal Desert though as you guys seem to have the best attitude and know when to keep your distance. Yak’s Bend on the other hand is a hilarious opponent as they are a bit too smug. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Yak’s player on his own and it’s amazing how they manage to lose 4v1 fights but love to dance on your body after their thirty man zerg runs your over when you are their only kill.

#WvWproblems

So, where have you been? These matchup threads have been filled with complements from all sides about the others’ manners. I could say the same thing, but I keep my mouth shut out of respect for our opponent.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Oh they did do 1 siege for the spawn, which was hilarious because we destroyed it while on the invulnerable steps. What got me was that they doubled our numbers while we were making our way to Lowlands, yet they had to siege us from there. Made me wonder if they felt just a tiny bit threatened…or if they were that bored.

I wasn’t on at all yesterday, but I’m pretty sure it’s just boredom.

Score update. Good fights tonight! We must have fought at SBI Garrison with a wall down for jeez, 2 hours?

My own funny little video…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Bdo2IuOR1L0

Wow, Special K. You guys take spawn camping to a whole new level! I’m really impressed.

Yay! We had our fin in Hills and we can now go to bed. G’night!

GUYS. JEEZ. We are waiting for you guys to come fight us at Hills in Crystal Desert BL. Please come so we can go to bed. Thanks!

Fun reset! Let’s see how CD and Kaineng fare with each others Oceanic crews.

CD – if any of you non-NA guilds want to join an AMAZING community, come on over to yaksbend.com and introduce yourselves!

Master of Timespace.2548:

patricide.1062:

Master of Timespace.2548:

WvW is a ridiculous monkey zergfest and any gamer that comes from a mmo that has REAL open world pvp would laugh at it. Who even gives a flying **** wheter your world wins or not . In a few days it starts again anyway. and you gain nothing no matter what you did. Not to mention those towers that are repainted 10 times a day.

You fight, fight and fight, but for what? For some abstract points that appear at the top of your screen? Very interesting.

Not that I have ever cared for sports, but yeah, playing sports pays real well and it

If that’s your attitude, then why play sports? It’s all for some abstract numbers on board, right?

Don’t try to refute my point with two awfully far-fetched analogies. Here, I draw you a picture about what I mean: in Eve online, you can for example fight with other corporations (guilds) to conquer areas that have valuable resources. This means that the fight has a goal: to get valuable resources that benefit your guild. Or in some cases you could be defending for your corporations home lands.

No such thing here. You just fight for some abstract numbers that reset every week. I personally could care less who has most of these points. They are just as meaningless as the abstract line between kurzicks and luxons was in Guild Wars 1. However, I certainly would care to fight for something that would benefit my guild and guildies.

Yeah, I quess the points show what server is the best. But what do I care about who is the best? I just want to fight for something that gives something to me and my friends in the game.

So if you don’t like it…. don’t play.

That wasn’t so hard, was it?

Master of Timespace.2548:

WvW is a ridiculous monkey zergfest and any gamer that comes from a mmo that has REAL open world pvp would laugh at it. Who even gives a flying **** wheter your world wins or not . In a few days it starts again anyway. and you gain nothing no matter what you did. Not to mention those towers that are repainted 10 times a day.

You fight, fight and fight, but for what? For some abstract points that appear at the top of your screen? Very interesting.

If that’s your attitude, then why play sports? It’s all for some abstract numbers on board, right? Why read books? They are just some words on paper, right?

I like competition. My guild and my server gets out there and plays to win the match. We play to win the battles. We don’t always win, but we try like heck.

I’ve been with Yak’s Bend since launch, and with the WvW Alliance since the day after launch. I’ve got to say that from the top commanders to the newest WvWers, Yak’s Bend is a wonderful COMMUNITY. We fight hard, we fight smart, and we have fun!

Our community is so great that we have leaders from other servers coming to us and asking “How did you do it?” While others may emulate Yak’s Bend, they will never be Yak’s Bend.

We did it first. We did it right.

Wizardauz.3761:

You guys keep assuming for ehmry bay like you know something about us?

let me say some of us are very indifferent to the score as of late. we play for the love and the fun

plus ehmry bay is still the server i’ve found to be almost unchallenged in open combat effectiveness. i always see ebay push and successfully slaughter your zergs with significantly lower numbers on a regular basis. Too bad it does nothing for your score.

see you on the battlefield

- FTF

In that case, I need to FRAPs the next encounter between Rawr and FTF. We had some good fights so far! Our guilds appear evenly matched, though it’s so kitten hard to see exact numbers because I never know if culling is happening at that exact moment :/

Oh, well! Keep the good fights coming, FTF.

Yorric Hunt.8214:

Most thief players wouldn’t be able to use a Ele as it requires waaaay more than 2 buttons!
But there is thikittentp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh5zjK7ITpQ

That is the best video ever.

Pretty much agree with everyone disagreeing with OP. If you are just zerging around, you’re doing it wrong and you’re probably on a lower tier server.

Come to Yak’s Bend and we shall teach you.

ykyk.2740:

Pendragon.8735:

Skapocalypse.5236:

What your facing at 12AM-4/5 AM Eastern are those that haven’t gone to sleep yet from the NA time zone. Same as you guys.

Is NNK NA? Looks like different names than we see in primetime. So doesn’t seem like NA, unless your NA team doesn’t start playing the game in earnest till like 11 PM NA. We rarely get pushed by DB prior to that.

But seems like a lot of these groups are not used to being hit back at all, other than maybe by a token force that its easy for them to overwhelm. Having 50 man groups routed by maybe half of that when they do actually meet organized resistance.

Shouldn’t be surprising really if that is all one is used to facing. It takes consistent competition to force you to improve tactically. But its definitely up there beyond this tier. We have played IoJ, CD, TC, these teams that are used to having to battle intensely off peak, and they are very good at it.

Just to chip in, 2 out of 3 current T2 servers TC and SoR have next to no oceanic coverage. We’re talking 10 people on 2 maps during those times…a strong oceanic is mandatory for T1 and for winning T2, but it isn’t everything. And any server that thinks they can ride a strong oceanic base all the way up is sorely mistaken. Crystal Desert will be like a brick wall, for one.

Can I just say again that I miss playing TC? Fun fights and respectful people all around. We all have forum trolls, I know, but our communities were mostly civil and we even had quite a few fight nights and dance parties!

I’m not trying to dis the DB oceanic crew or even the NA crew. I have said before and will say again that you guys are bound for tier 3 and above. You have a great overall presence and some fundamentally sound guilds.

That doesn’t mean we’re gonna gift wrap it for ya, though. I’m gonna bite, scratch, kick and claw the whole time.

EnRohbi.2187:

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

Evalana.5480:

ethinan

Nice job of DB exploiting into this tower. We may have been able to hold it until reinforcements but we got ganked inside….

You sure it wasn’t a mesmer?

They never suspect that dastardly mesmer with pro hiding skills!

People don’t sweep towers very well either.
The closest thing to tower “sweeps” I ever see is the PVEers in the zerg running up to the vistas in some of them.

Plus, all a mesmer really has to do is lay down an entrance portal inside the tower and then go wait outside until the zerg moves on, portal back up and Tada, they’re inside. Zergs don’t stick around towers for more than 30 seconds after capture very often.

Don’t even need to be inside during the sweep.

I have to agree. We Yaks in particular have been doing a poor job of sweeping overall and it’s something we are trying to fix.

Jeffy The Bear.1560:

patricide.1062:

I-Its not like we w-wanted to win with those g-golems.
we were just pretending to attack you. J-jokes on you guys!

Fixed for accuracy.

Haha, you guys really crack me up. Yeah, sometimes the rush gets discovered, it happens! Most of the time though, I’m on your inner garrison with the door at 10% when 60+ people show up. That’s when the EBG commander rushes and caps Stonemist. Mock me all you want, but it works. Our DOMINATION of you guys in primetime shows that we have sound strategies AND tactics. When we have our alliance on, we even dominate in T3. Ask TC, they remember.

Keep laughing it up. Soon enough we will get the oceanic presence we need and we will climb back up.

Sometimes we make golem rushes that we know will fail in order to relieve pressure off of other maps. It works.

Imagine that.

Serophous.9085:

I’m just gonna do this now so it doesnt need to be said later in the thread. So waaaay ahead of all of you

Dragonbrand:
“OMG yaks and ebay have an alliance”
“Yaks are a bunch of hackers”
“Ebay is a bunch of hackers”

Ebay:
“OMG Dragonbrand and yaks have an alliance”
“Yaks are a bunch of hackers”
“Dragonbrand is a bunch of hackers”

Yaks:
“OMG Dragonbrand and Ebay have an alliance”
“Ebay is a bunch of hackers”
“Dragonbrand is a bunch of hackers”

carry on

Best post on the WvW forum I’ve seen yet.

Gorefiend.9675:

patricide.1062:

Every night.

the mesmers

Don’t care. Every night.

Gorefiend.9675:

patricide.1062:

I warned you…

cool story bro

Every night.

I warned you…