Guild Wars 2

RedSpectrum.1975:

patricide.1062:

My Thief friends: you need a buff. It’s ridiculous how many solid, viable Thief builds have been nerfed. The QQer baddies don’t understand that their constant whining is what got us to this place to begin with. You see so many Backstab, Perma-stealth, and Condi Bunker builds these days because there are so few viable builds because of QQ.

/sigh

<3

Sadly I think with the ferocity change, you’ll se even less backstabbers…so we can all say hi to a rise in DP PD condi maybe PD power and a spike in swords

then they’ll see. The only thing more annoying than tryin to hit someone you cannot see is trying to hit someone you can but still can’t hit

@Dustfinger, it’s the 6/6/6/6/6 build….

Yeah, I’ve come across a few S/D Thieves that are impossible to lock down. They never stealth and they just evade every thing you do and wear you down with boon strips and constant damage. It’s not like getting hit for 6k with a BS, but see how long you can last without boons when a super-evade Thief hits you for 1-1.5k every second while evading. It’s a tough fight, and a fight I greatly enjoy. Those are the Thieves I like coming across and more often than not, win or lose, I whisper them and ask them for fights in OS so I can have fun fights.

QQ more, guys. Just wait until a bunker condi Thief puts 5 stacks of confusion, poison, stacks of bleed, 3 stacks of torment and whatever else they can pull out of their kittens. After you have died a horrible death pat yourselves on the back and remember the good ’ole days when you could two shot a backstab Thief.

Duke Nukem.6783:

yea most of these comments just confirmed what i already knew. theifs are greedy power hungry players who wont take a proper nerf with any dignity. they need one, they still need one

even if these complaints of mine describe seperate things about a few theif builds they are still OP seperate and need attention

but im afraid thats not the case i see most of them all at once

As a fellow Ele I ask that you stop QQing in the Thief forums. It makes us competent Ele’s look bad. If you can’t beat a Thief as an Ele then you have some serious L2P issues. Post patch I two-shot glass Thieves. Maybe 3-4 if they have a little survivability. Oh, and there’s this cool neat-o-riffic thing-a-ma-jigger called Area of Effect. You have AOE control AND damage, which is the bane of all Thieves. It’s incredibly easy to knock a Thief out of their SR as an Ele. When they go invis just start dropping AOE. If they BS, count to two and dodge roll. If they BP+HS, drop AOE and get ready with your stun-breakers and controls. It’s really that easy. You just have to be patient and wait for the Thief to make a fatal mistake.

Burnfall.9573:

Invincible Warriors with Unlimited mobility and Op bursts with Op hammer, Invincible Elementalists with Op defense and offense + Op healing; who needs a Guardian anyway?

Not too long ago, i was hit with thief 13k backstab, 7k heartseeker, 10k cloak and dagger.. how is this feature patch not enough?

With no counter to stealth, zero interest in balancing OP class, guild wars 2 will not stand a chance against mmo’s who refuse these OP mechanics in their game.

History tells us, having No counter to stealth and having God Mode philiosphy defining balance, will only result in FAILURE.

(imagine having WoW with guild wars 2 balance philosophy, would it prosper the way it is?)

of course not!

I will leave with this…

Warriors, Thieves and Elementaists remain Op, even after the feature patch.

As a person once told me, “as long our leaders continue protecting and providing weapons to the bad guys, there will never be peace”

There’s goes “balance”

pss..

((the feature patch only made them more OIP))

Sure, Warriors OP… But Thieves? LOL. I roflstomp >90% of the Thieves I come across. Eles OP? Double lawl. I don’t even know what to say. Maybe you should try playing one. It ain’t easy.

WXP being account bound and stacking sigils now giving FIVE stacks per player kill are more than enough for me. I am happy.

Zacchary.6183:

A kittenload of people from other professions will tell you they have no problem with thieves because they learned how the class works. They’ve sought advice from thieves or have rolled a thief themselves in order to understand thief tactics. Those people see thieves as a major joke.

This. One thousand times this. I learned how to fight Thieves by rolling one ( I still suck at it, but I am now intimate with the mechanics) and by hanging out in OS and dueling Thieves. You’d be surprised how many duelists will take the time to spar with you and help you get better. These days I only have issues with Thieves that don’t stealth a lot. Those guys are usually pretty good and have tons of evades and mobility. They are hard to keep up with but they seem difficult to play.

I’d be happy if they made it comparable to Rocket Boots. Similar type of skill, one would think. Reduce the CD, make it remove cripple, chill, and immobilize, and reduce the range a bit.

connvince.8061:

I ran with battle / strength for a while and was easily hitting 22 stacks of might, but it wasn’t wrecking anyone. Only difference I saw was that I could handle a little more sustained focus, which wasn’t an effect of the might.

So it seems like doing lethal damage as an elementalist is the same as it was before the patch — a mystic unicorn that requires specific combinations and perfect lighting to achieve. Whereas I could play any of my other more boring characters and win at least half of the battles without[u] intense pre-meditated multi-step combinations.

I hate how much I only love playing my elementalist.

To be fair and show some positivity, I do love this recent patch. I think it’s a fantastic direction for everything. Only disappointment is that I thought elementalists would be more… different.

This is the core issue still. The skill cap on a D/D Ele is pretty high comparatively but there is little to no pay off for playing at a high level. We have to do 2-3x the work for the same result. I would be happy with putting in the extra work if I out performed other classes by some sort of measurable margin.

For instance, I am primarily a WvW roamer. I find that if I fight a decently competent Warrior I have to outplay said Warrior in every single way for the entire fight. If I make even one mistake it results in me having to go on the defensive for a moment while he regens all of my damage, which effectively resets the fight for him. Meanwhile, the Warrior can just keep charging at me and keep spamming skills without ever having to worry about dodging.

I’m not saying that Ele’s should be able to roflstomp every single class/spec, but it gets old owning Thieves. Hey, at least they didn’t nerf our perma-Vigor like I was afraid would happen. That would have made D/D Ele completely useless as I mitigate most of the incoming damage with dodge rolls.

Ah, the “play to win!” quote I hear so much. The hilarious thing is, these words often come from the mouths of those who intentionally tank just before a season. Hell, sometimes it’s even that person themselves that orchestrated the tank. Yeah, talk to commander on YB, find out who wanted to tank and who didn’t. It’s kind of funny.

-Hypocrisy, it’s what’s for dinner!-

Also, sorry for the poor grammar. I’m on a snow holiday of sorts so I have a toddler fighting me on the keyboard.

ryan.6217:

to patricide, many sorries

yeah i was trying to get back to you and tell you that you’re fine! i often times come off as biased towards thieves, but in reality i just know more about them then the other professions, so i like exerting my opinion about them more. youre right though, d/p is rather cheesy. i just never like to call something cheesy based off the weps some one uses, more on how they use them

No worries, and that’s a fair point. I often immediately think “CHEEEEESE!” when I encounter a P/S condi Engi without checking for perplexity yet. I just assume they are all cheese perplexity so I’m not taken off guard.

I all admit to having a noobplexity engi alt. When I get frustrated with all of the cheese running around I grab my own cheese. It’s fun, but I feel bad when I do it.

ryan.6217:

personally i think cheese is an issue with weapon skills. it’s not really fair to assume some one is using cheese tactics just because you noticed an active signet, or a specific weapon set.. we arent given much choice when it comes to weapons, and we are given 0 choice as to what skills come with the weapons. SO mr. patricide when a p/d perplexity thief hit you with a scorpion wire, then uses thieves guild, then hides in stealth and caltrops you, he might be a little cheesy, but if a thief is just utilizing fair weapon tactics and class abilities, he isnt cheese. ( not trying to rag on you, but p/d gets a lot of crap, its also my main, so i feel more comfortable supporting it, or calling it out).

tl;dr cheese is abuse of high value items that have yet to receive any form of true balancing, such as perplexity runes, and using said high valued items to the nth degree.

You missed the part where I immediately corrected it.

ryan.6217:

patricide.1062:

I think a cheese build could be described as a build that allows you to beat someone with far superior skill with consistency.

Example: warrior cheese vs. a skilled D/D Ele. If the warrior is even barely competent it is usually a tough fight for the Ele. The Ele has to play a near perfect game in order to top the massive regen, armor, DPS, and mobility the warrior has.

Example: P/D thief. Not winning? Go perma stealth and regen ALL you health back or, just stand in your blind field and spam 1. P/D thieves can beat nearly anything in the game with barely any effort. Put that cheese in the hands of an above average player and it’s very difficuly to counter.

please be more specific about what p/d build is cheese. i, use p/d, but for some reason i cant stand in a blind aoe field, am i missing the 6 dagger offhand skill?! i think you are confusin p/d with backstab d/p thieves… pretty much any thief you run into is going to regen a lot of health in stealth… you literally said nothing that pertains to p/d thief

You’re right, I meant d/p. Fixed.

Bring cleanses

OR

now this is a CRAZY idea…. bear with me!!

Build your team to have – roles – where you can mitigate damage, conditions, CC, etc. AS A TEAM.

Wait, I’m sorry. Did I give away a secret?

I think a cheese build could be described as a build that allows you to beat someone with far superior skill with consistency.

Example: warrior cheese vs. a skilled D/D Ele. If the warrior is even barely competent it is usually a tough fight for the Ele. The Ele has to play a near perfect game in order to top the massive regen, armor, DPS, and mobility the warrior has.

Example: D/P thief. Not winning? Go perma stealth and regen ALL you health back or, just stand in your blind field and spam 1. D/P thieves can beat nearly anything in the game with barely any effort. Put that cheese in the hands of an above average player and it’s very difficuly to counter.

It’s really not that hard to defend. Of course if you stand on a wall in front of a 40 man zerg they will AOE melt your face. The trick is to have your siege cover each other. i.e. Arrow Carts cover Ballistae, Trebuchets cover your ACs, etc. Of course the enemy will find a way to counter what you’re doing, so have everyone bring supply and be ready to counter them again. It’s like a chess game, and if you have a clever commander (like our siegemaster… i are n00b at siege) you can hold the NE tower, Hills, NW tower, etkittenil the cows come home.

BirdSong.2541:

Why’re you all posting pictures of me.

Dodge Roll…

Evade!

Binkydink.2697:

ok Anet please pay attention to what HOD is doing. They faced FC for the past two weeks and they completely steamrolled them all week long. Now all of a sudden their players aren’t steamrolling FC all week. I believe they are purposely tanking the scores so they wont have to play against more competitive servers. I wouldn’t be complaining if the scores were close before but they really need to be in the same division as Blackgate or Jade Quarry. The only reason the scores are this close this week is because they are TANKING. This crap sucks for FC and its just stupid to continue to keep them in our division.

lol

Solstice.1097:

patricide.1062:

nachtritter.8961:

Seriously HoD, it takes 70 of you to take down 30 FC? If you guys didn’t have the numbers you wouldn’t even hold a camp.

LOL says you. Took 40+ and an omega to kill 21 of us. GG yo.

what does GoM have to do with what he said?

Yeah sorry. Am very drunk. Wrong server.

I are n00b

nachtritter.8961:

Seriously HoD, it takes 70 of you to take down 30 FC? If you guys didn’t have the numbers you wouldn’t even hold a camp.

EDIT:: Wrong server. Am Drunk. GG GoM

Heibi.4251:

Ah, yes, the renowned corpse jumping pathetic SF players. I knew you had no class. Of course you were losing at the time, so I can see why you’d have poor sportsmanship.

For what it’s worth, I didn’t find one decent fight out of that guild.

Can Elementalist get a fix to Lingering Elements? Arcana minor Master trait.

Victoitor.2917:

Ok sooooo… I have not been online yet, but looking at the score, what’s happening. Did HoD get a big influx of new guilds?

Actually it appears that HoD has lost a few fairweather type guilds if anything. Not sure of the population of those guilds, though.

lol it’s nice to see the Kaineng super zergs scratch their heads in uncertainty after their first plan fails.

I missed you guys!

Just lost all respect for [BS] with that stunt at the NW tower. GG

So, ARM, you want a class that can:
- Catch the most mobile class in the game (therefore becoming the most mobile class)
- Win in 1v2 no matter what
- Win every 1v1
- Have great heals
- Have great damage
- Have great defense
- Have great condition mitigation
- Have great sustainability
- Have great burst

…. need I go on? You probably first rolled D/D Ele when it was the flavor of the month (God Mode) and you haven’t been able to handle it since.

I’m curious, what server do you play on? If you happen to be on a server I regularly face I’ll be more than happy to take you to the woodshed and show you how to play.

On a positive note, if you upload video of your play we might be able to help you play better.

qualm like a bomb.6512:

monstertooky.3485:

Maybe time to ask this question again…

“So ummm is this normal numbers for HoD?”

Pretty sure their zergs took everything on all the BL and all came out to EB. Don’t know where our server is, and we can’t get an outmanned to even have an incentive to stick around because of that “other server” that is in the matchup. They are running with IoJ and GoM size zergs now everytime I manage to log on.

Don’t worry AR most of us on DR know how you guys feel and the majority of us respect you enough not to take everything you have and spawn camp you. We may take it from HoD, so they don’t get the points and reset it for you guys to take back a little easier but, most of the time we don’t bother defending it. But for the most part with our limited numbers we are just trying to keep the massive HoD zerg off our stuff, which proves futile with 3 to 1 odds.

Yeah… Never see DR zerging and building siege to camp our spawn OH WAIT.

Weird bug today… One of my guildies took a vid of the Garrison doors flashing and flinging rocks everywhere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Q298IROpD6Y

Shanks R Us.2489:

patricide.1062:

Shanks R Us.2489:

Just got back from work. Kind of disappointed we didn’t end up with AR/ET/FC, something tells me DR & HoD will be too zergy for us.

On that note, be real men, break off from your zergs & try 1-5 man roaming groups.

PS.

If you kill the AR asuran engineer commander leading the [WAR] train (which consists 95% of uplevels and baddies) in the middle of his zerg, take a picture & I’ll send you cookies.

Don’t know if this is him or not…

Was he a commander? I highly doubt you’d ever see him without his uplevel zerg. Try to take a pic as he’s downed so you can click him next time.

There really wasn’t enough time to tell. We hit that group with a 5 Churning Earth portal bomb. They insta-died. I’ll be on the look out!

Shanks R Us.2489:

Just got back from work. Kind of disappointed we didn’t end up with AR/ET/FC, something tells me DR & HoD will be too zergy for us.

On that note, be real men, break off from your zergs & try 1-5 man roaming groups.

PS.

If you kill the AR asuran engineer commander leading the [WAR] train (which consists 95% of uplevels and baddies) in the middle of his zerg, take a picture & I’ll send you cookies.

Don’t know if this is him or not…

Shanks R Us.2489:

Just got back from work. Kind of disappointed we didn’t end up with AR/ET/FC, something tells me DR & HoD will be too zergy for us.

On that note, be real men, break off from your zergs & try 1-5 man roaming groups.

PS.

If you kill the AR asuran engineer commander leading the [WAR] train (which consists 95% of uplevels and baddies) in the middle of his zerg, take a picture & I’ll send you cookies.

Hey, [WAR]. Good fights in HoDBL.

- [Rawr]

JahRo.6432:

To the Sylvari TFG heartseek-spamming commander “Legend” that decided to T-Bag my body after you zerged me… watch out this week buddy huehuehue

I CAN GUILD WARZ
1-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2
SEE I ARE GOOD

lol @ Kaineng super zerg to take back Hills on KBL. 70+ with 5 omegas. 20 people killed all of your omegas and more than half your forces.

GG though. Only took ya guys 3 hours :P

I thought Maguuma used to be the super l33t roamer server. Now, you fight 3 and 20 more show up. Not joking, there’s a 60 man zerg on EBG right now and a 40 man zerg on YBBL right now.

GG Mag.

This is why we need Oceanic/SEA transfers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WO-q_jUOqK4

These Dragonbrand guys can just roll through and literally PvDoor. 40-50 Oceanic/SEA players would make all the difference.

Caedmon.6798:

Zander.4763:

My server TS is reporting frequent and unusually high rates of Crashing To Desktop when in WvW tonight, but not being effected when in PvE. Anyone else dealing with this?

Lower down your WvWvW Character limit/quality.That helped for me ! Have a kinda high end system and thought i was able to go all high with the wvwvw limits,but it made me cd alot.Have them now at low ( you barely notice the difference )and no more crashes.

Thanks, I will pass this on to my guild. We were hit hard with crashes last night. It seemed like it was particularly rough on our specialist squads.

I’d like to see DB with more of an NA/SA presence. It’s a pleasure to fight them and they are, generally speaking, classy folks.

I just crashed for the third time in like 10 minutes. I think I’m calling it a night.

Calvin.5380:

Subtle.4596:

LOL might be easier if ur PRO group BP was not trying to KARMA train on Mag BL during Prime time. Poor Mag.

Puhlease, don’t discuss strategy outside. This is in violation of the secret treaty we have with you guys.

Sorry! We forgot!

PurpleBackpackAttack.1462:

saiyr.3071:

Yak’s Bend and Dragonbrand are going to double team us! I heard it from Sea of Sorrows!!!

Yeah right, DB bl getting Double teamed, by yaks and mag.
Fending off two 40+ man zergs inside our garison each hitting different gates. I’m pretty sure that’s the definition of double teaming, the cowards to afraid to fight server to server. I understand being jealous of our green power but seriously stop trying to be us, its not possible.

Sorry Mag you still belong in t4, and yaks you will never be green till DB goes to t2 or you go to t4.

LOL. You understand that on BLs the two attackers are funneled into the defenders?

kitten Ranger that dueled the [Rawr] Ele in Mag BL just now… that was a LOT of fun. /bow

saiyr.3071:

Yak’s Bend and Dragonbrand are going to double team us! I heard it from Sea of Sorrows!!!

I like this thread already.

Pretty Pixie.8603:

Oh boy…

Well, with such overwhelming evidence there’s nothing else to do but to admit our shame.

Yak’s Bend is allied with EVERY server BUT SoS. In fact, in the DB/Mag/YB matchup all servers will be convening on middle island in DBBL to do /dance emotes, sing koombaya and bask in the total lack of fighting.

That’s how we roll.

This. Do not forget that we also have a super secret alliance with Maguuma against EBay. Since we also have a super secret alliance with Dragonbrand against SoS… What do we do?!

kitten, I forgot. First rule of super secret alliance club is…

Is it just me, or are the big culling guilds doing significantly worse now?

Wow, T7 is HOT right now! You guys have had the closest matches in weeks. Keep it up!

I can guarantee you will not PvDoor on Yak’s Bend. You will be fighting Dragonbrand’s forces, and eventually Maguuma’s after SoS falls from this tier.

You guys have been fighting us for a few weeks, now. You see how hard our SEA/Oceanic crew fights! They pull off some crazy kitten and they could use some help to mess with our enemies’ minds!!

Kronyx.2570:

Like many have said before, Yaks and opposing servers alike, Yaks Bend is a solid T3 server primarily because of our strong cohesion and teamwork in our NA forces. We don’t have a lot of super huge organized WvW guilds, but what we do have is an organized SERVER with a strong community. We have one of the largest Latin American alliance on our server that works great with our NA contingent. If there is a timezone we lack in, it is definitely in the Oceanic/SEA times. Our list of off peak guilds currently are Devils Den [DD], Eastern Wind [EW], and of course our aussies on The Older Gamers [TOG]. We usually have around 20-30 people in WvW during these time and it is still impossible to hold on to anything during nightcaps ( right now by Dragonbrand, who we wreck during NA =D). With an addition of a guild like AFS, we could potentially double our off peak forces and solidify our position as a T2-T3 server. Please visit our community website at http://www.yaksbend.com/

Also, feel free to contact me ingame.

IGN – Rheayas

Like Rheayas said, Yak’s Bend is in need of a solid SEA guild like yours. We have a strong community that tends to look out for each other. Our Oceanic/SEA guilds have no choice but to work closely together, as there are so few. They do a great job of holding the line with whatever they can scrap for until the NA/SA/EU crew arrives to begin painting everything our color.

I know you’ve heard of other servers in T3 and below that are only successful because they have an overwhelming SEA/Oceanic crew.. Yak’s Bend is the exact opposite. We have a crack NA/SA team that regularly sees 500+ point ticks in our prime. What we need now is a strong Oceanic/SEA crew. That’s where you guys come in!

The question is: what are your guild’s goals? Do you want to be just another SEA guild in a mass of SEA guilds? Or do you want good fights and good competition? Do you want to be the guild that helps Yak’s Bend solidify itself at the top of Tier 3? That’s up to you.

Please contact (IGN) Rheayas, Honnor, or Titan Tlaloc for features that come with joining our community either here, in game, or on our website: http://www.yaksbend.com

Bottom line: many other servers have tried to emulate what we have at YB. We have leaders from other servers coming to us to help build their communities. No matter how they try, however, all the can do is imitate. We did it first. We did it right.

Serebus.7314:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCp8qM-qi8o

[TG]’s reset recap video on DB BL.

Nice vid, I’ll have one from [Rawr] up soon that should show just how back and forth it was. We wiped a lot, you guys wiped a lot, it was brutal. Good fun on reset night!

Give ’em hell, TC! We still root for ya!

This has been one interesting matchup so far. From amazing fights with TYSM, Krew, BP, and GASM (GASM you sneaky tricksters you! :P) on reset night to good fights with roamers, I’ve enjoyed this.

It is my hope that next week Yak’s Bend will put up more of a fight. A few weeks back we had this explosion of drama and we are finally getting our kitten together and healing up. Hopefully we can give you guys the fights you deserve.