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Charr : - After the dragons

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The Charr were originally under the rule of the Flame Legion who, under the influence of the Titans, led them against humanity bringing the Searing upon Ascalon and leading assaults on both Kryta and Orr.

Obviously there are still tensions between the Charr and the humans, but there is a lot more possibility for a positive relationship and a return to war between the two races is highly unlikely, even just because it wouldn’t make any sense within the context of the game.

The flame legion only came to power over the charr about 500~ before GW2.(and about 300 years before the events of GW1) So they were not originally under their influence. They accepted it because it made them stronger, and allow them to combat the magics that humans could use.(plus they kinda melted anyone who said otherwise)

So that’s about 800+ years where the Charr were not led by the flame legion.

To add the whole reason for the “fields of ruin” map in GW2 is to emphasize the unease and tension between the humans and the Charr.

In addition to the fact that Charr are reared for battle and they are deemed ready at 8 years old and they are expected to kill. So what happens when all these kiddies are trained to kill and guess what? The wars over nothing to fight… A culture based on being the strongest military might no longer needs a military.
But I like your attitude on the positives but I just can’t see it frankly… Because wars are easy, peace is the hard part kinda thing especially when you’re trained to break necks for a living(I guess).

And before they were under the flame legions influence they were fighting against humanity who took their homelands from them >.>, which I think is pretty justified.
But that is a very long time ago and recent events should be enough to cement at least some sort of bond between the Charr and Humanity. There are still more dragons to kill (and we know that there is at least 1 year per dragon + 5 dragons left = 5 more years of the Charr and Humanity fighting together). Then there are the ghosts of ascalon to deal with etc. So I don’t think we have anything to worry about, a point where there is no threat holding the Charr’s attention is a long ways off.

The Charr were too busy fighting between themselves after the death of the khan-ur during the founding of Ascalon. Even then they were barely able to assault the outer settlements let alone the great northern wall. To add it took the flame legion 800 years to take power, after the Charr lost Ascalon . So that’s about 800 years of Charr pretty much killing each other and maybe the odd human.
So in your oppinion this great apocalypse of dragons coming and eating all the magics will simply be beaten in 5 years… The same cycle that has apparently repeated every ten thousand years. When relations between Charr and humans have been shaky for 1400 years?
Plus I really don't think Zhaitan the *undead* dragon is gone. And if you didn’t know present day GW2 is about 2 years after the games personal story ends. So I’m really liking that 5 year plan.
For your ghost problem could I please ask you to point your eyes up the thread to a discussion I had with Argon.1563.
But in all honesty I like your spark. You’re clearly passionate about the Charr/human relation and feel its through mutual hate that they can overcome differences.. Alas I am a little more cynical about it.

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Charr : - After the dragons

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Warning: Spoilers concerning storyline and dungeon storylines, and a lot of lore.


Theres plenty of things in theory. Once they kill the dragons, theres still the Flame Legion to deal with, or what remains of it, considering we pretty much nuke it in CoF.

however the main thing that could keep them going is the ghosts. They’re a immortal, self-perpetuating war that will go on until the ghosts are put to rest, and the only way for those ghosts to be put to rest is if a true human heir to the throne of Ascalon goes to the center of Ascalon city with both of the twin swords Sohothin and Magdaer in hand, and the only known heir to the throne at the moment is Jennah. Assuming she gets both swords somehow (Unlikely considering Magdaer was taken by Eir after is it recovered in the AC storyline and Sohothin is with Rytlock somehow.), she could easily just decide not to lay them to rest, just to keep the Charr busy until the end of time. and theres the possibility that the whole thing about laying the ghosts to rest by using Magdaer and Sohothin could just be a legend.

Or of course theres always the possibility the Charr don’t want the ghosts to disappear so they can kill them infinitely. in which Rytlock might refuse to hand over Sohothin so he can keep it as a paperweight, considering he does a desk job now.


Don’t like Jennah? What about Wade Samuelsson?
Though I do believe Jennah would probably lay the swords to rest because she let Charr go during the Orge revolt and they were still enemies at the time. Though I do like the thought of the charr saying nope to the end of the curse cause they like killing ascalonians so much. Can’t get my morning paper without a good ghost busting…

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Charr : - After the dragons

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The Charr were originally under the rule of the Flame Legion who, under the influence of the Titans, led them against humanity bringing the Searing upon Ascalon and leading assaults on both Kryta and Orr.

Obviously there are still tensions between the Charr and the humans, but there is a lot more possibility for a positive relationship and a return to war between the two races is highly unlikely, even just because it wouldn’t make any sense within the context of the game.

The flame legion only came to power over the charr about 500~ before GW2.(and about 300 years before the events of GW1) So they were not originally under their influence. They accepted it because it made them stronger, and allow them to combat the magics that humans could use.(plus they kinda melted anyone who said otherwise)

So that’s about 800+ years where the Charr were not led by the flame legion.

To add the whole reason for the “fields of ruin” map in GW2 is to emphasize the unease and tension between the humans and the Charr.

In addition to the fact that Charr are reared for battle and they are deemed ready at 8 years old and they are expected to kill. So what happens when all these kiddies are trained to kill and guess what? The wars over nothing to fight… A culture based on being the strongest military might no longer needs a military.
But I like your attitude on the positives but I just can’t see it frankly… Because wars are easy, peace is the hard part kinda thing especially when you’re trained to break necks for a living(I guess).

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Charr : - After the dragons

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So I got to thinking(something I shouldn’t be allow to do) after the dragons IF the races of Tyria win. What’s going to happen with the Charr and their relation with the other races. Because the Charr have been recorded to be fighting humans for 1400 years; before that they fought everything Norn, forgotten etc.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Ecology_of_the_Charr

TL:DR – Charr are a hyper aggressive race that have been fighting for a very long time. They like to dominate everything even each other, so after sometime a Khan-Ur comes to power (normally be cracking heads). When humans appeared this “king” died and then each of his offspring tried to claim his/her throne .Every king(Khan-Ur) after has the same as the red wedding for game of thrones every few years. With no one being strong enough to take the throne until the flame legion discovered magic.

So what will happen when the charr no longer have the dragon threat present what then? Will the Charr settle down? Make nice and breed cattle and drink ale… Or what would be more likely they breakdown to their original culture and try and dominate everything and get put down.(like Sparta) Or have the Charr progressed enough to fully civilise themselves and move forward…

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Scarlet's Motives - My thoughts

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To finalize my thoughts… After reading the short story…
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/short-story-what-scarlet-saw/
I have come to the belief that Scarlet has seen as best to describe everything she has seen the dragons the endless workings of Tyria. So with this knowledge she seems to want to save tyria… Like create a massive “mech” able to kill a dragon..? Unfortunately the entire world will be destroyed in her attempt to save it…
So to sum up Scarlet is a neutral character with good intentions, however no morals and only results matter to her.

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Scarlet's Motives - My thoughts

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i think its to work to the next world in other story its like
hey the build an army without us knowing and look he did even did sting attacks to know our weakeness or power he just send an army

i got the feeling they are working to something bigger maybe a way to go over the sea or back to eye of the north maybe

If you ever watch Colin Johansen being interviewed. Whenever Cantha comes up his face changes, he stops looks around and tries to move the interview on. So either its a big hush hush around a-net for a big Canthan expansion… Or they have no real wish to return, due to the fact that A-net has created a “new” world and wish to flush it out. Because the big threats are present in tyria ATM like 3 Elder dragons. Yeah we could return to Cantha to fight bubbles.. But I think that is a long way off.

If you actually took at the timeline set up in the wiki it states that present day Tyria is into a second year AFTER the start of GW2.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Timeline

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Scarlet's Motives - My thoughts

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Do people care anymore about her motives, considering how long we’ve been dragged doing household chores ?

I think the amount of time between living world instances is as much a method of narration for the story, as well as a-net getting time to get the game developed. Like building an army in “real” time behind the scenes.

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Rate the Charr Name Above You

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The necro Khazura the looming sounds like she’s going gladium but all in all a solid 9/10 for a necro charr name.
My Charr’s name is Huroc(Hue-rock) Bloodmane. Guardian first born from a litter of four; blood legion far from home and is needed in battles elsewhere… Keeping a cool grip of virtue, as he tries not to be swallowed by his rage on the battlefield.

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Guild halls... I want Guild airships.

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It would be much harder to construct an airship in modular fashion than a building on the ground.

Don’t understand why people are fascinated by airships. Saw this request a lot in WoW, too. Too much Final Fantasy? :x

The reason i say airships, is because A-net already have two airship instances in the game one massive and one smaller air ship. So creating them wouldn’t be as much of a problem. Plus it means they don’t need to go through the trouble of placing a building for people to enter and exit. In addition if you set them up as guild, server-based, maps it would take the burden off LA for loading times… Plus an air ship can go anywhere, so you can park it in iron marshes or mount maelstrom.
Sorry for ranting at you… But I like air ships and wish they got more use in game than just an on-rails shooter.

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Scarlet's Motives - My thoughts

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why not the jungle dragon she can be his general ?

The belief that sylvari are the minions of the jungle dragon is known to me but i like to think that the pale tree is actually a dragon champion like glint or the great destroyer.(more like glint).
Because why would an eldar dragon tasked with the consumption of tyrian magic(along with 5 others) allow the birth of minions that assisted in the defeat of its peers… And the impediment of their mission.
UNLESS its a sneaky ploy to infiltrate the races of tyria and then switch all the sylvari kill bots on their “comrades”… Fun writing but i don’t think all the people who’ve leveled up to 80 on a sylvari wouldn’t be too happy…
OH MY GOD!! GIVE HADES .6539 A COOKIE AND LIGHT YOUR TORCHES. THE GROVE MUST BURN!!!

maybe there are 2 jungle dragons 1 the pale tree more like glint is good
the second 1 is from the nightmare court and make the normal sylvarie corrupted like the shatter does with charr or jormag with the norn

Lore brush-up:
Glint isn’t an elder dragon he/she was a dragon champion of Kralkatorrik, the crystal dragon, who turned “good” and helped destiny’s edge. So she’s more like tequatl, the claw of jormag and the shatterer. Secondly not all dragon champions take the shape of dragons…(like the Norn ice born) So with it being a jungle dragon it could have a tree for a champion.
Secondly the nightmare court was formed by sylvari themselves(secondborn Cadeyrn), not by dragon influence. They reject the teaching of Ventari’s tablet( the centaur ten commandments IMO) and accepted the dream of dreams… Which could be like an encoding process for the jungle dragon’s minions.

Huh, you seem to be onto something but i don’t think A-net plans on implementing any answer’s just yet. So the theory you’re making me think is sylvari are actually jungle dragon corrupted. Like the branded, orrian, Iceborn or destroyers… That would also explain the different types of animals between the syvari and nightmare court…

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Guild halls... I want Guild airships.

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Now i do understand the impracticality of having a guild anything for massive guilds is a technical nightmare… And balancing for small guilds is also required… But this is something i like the sound of… An instanced movable area using the PS instances entrance symbol. With a guild specific WP inside… Even a tiny little icon on your map…
I wouldn’t mind it being worth 1,000,000 influence and add-on’s being 50,000 a pop for cup holders, its something to work for. :/
Anyway that’s my thoughts… Feel free to laugh at me in the reply…
I like airships… you can press 2 and beat the game with them….

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Scarlet's Motives - My thoughts

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why not the jungle dragon she can be his general ?

The belief that sylvari are the minions of the jungle dragon is known to me but i like to think that the pale tree is actually a dragon champion like glint or the great destroyer.(more like glint).
Because why would an eldar dragon tasked with the consumption of tyrian magic(along with 5 others) allow the birth of minions that assisted in the defeat of its peers… And the impediment of their mission.
UNLESS its a sneaky ploy to infiltrate the races of tyria and then switch all the sylvari kill bots on their “comrades”… Fun writing but i don’t think all the people who’ve leveled up to 80 on a sylvari wouldn’t be too happy…
OH MY GOD!! GIVE HADES .6539 A COOKIE AND LIGHT YOUR TORCHES. THE GROVE MUST BURN!!!

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Living World, wast of time/money?

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I feel integration between Personal and living story would be a great idea… However the implementation of it would be interesting to say the least. Maybe personalized instances like they had in the tower pods…

On the note of the whole time wasted, its build up. I feel its a story method that a-net is trying… Because like the real world (shudder) A-net wish to bring GW2 alive… I think they could have implemented a season’s system(BUT THAT WOULD TAKE AGES).

It bring server communities together in one place for a time instead of staying in LA. It also makes you miss the good ones like i miss the bazaar of the four winds and was sad it was gone instead of me 1 month later going " No one’s here and there’s nothing to do… F@*K it I’m not staying". So it means you think of it not as “that place was fun” but its over thinking to, “I WANNA GO BACK :’(”…

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Scarlet's Motives - My thoughts

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That would me a very good theory, but she is as mad as a bag of spiders. Granted it might be an act, but I’d believe I more if she was cold and calculating.

Like I said though, good theory.

Oh i would agree she’s mad but as we know with all sylvari
they go through the dream. Each telling them what they would do in the future. I can’t place it, but i remember something about Scarlet’s interaction with an azura who took the “orb thingy” that let you see the future. Stating something about it being interesting and sad that you gave it up.
In addition if what Scarlet saw was the complete destruction of Tyria though corruption wouldn’t you go a little mad..?

That’s the problem with knowing the future. If you try to stop something you could end up causing it. Knowing the future/time travel is always messy. Best not to go there.

Ah the old paradoxical trick… Well as we should know tyria doesn’t like to follow “conventional physics”..? The fractals of the mist is a clear example of it(though it is all time travel backwards). So me stating she saw the future would be an inaccuracy. I would like to reiterate by saying that she saw a future.

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Scarlet's Motives - My thoughts

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That would me a very good theory, but she is as mad as a bag of spiders. Granted it might be an act, but I’d believe I more if she was cold and calculating.

Like I said though, good theory.

Oh i would agree she’s mad but as we know with all sylvari
they go through the dream. Each telling them what they would do in the future. I can’t place it, but i remember something about Scarlet’s interaction with an azura who took the “orb thingy” that let you see the future. Stating something about it being interesting and sad that you gave it up.
In addition if what Scarlet saw was the complete destruction of Tyria though corruption wouldn’t you go a little mad..?

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Scarlet's Motives - My thoughts

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So I’ve been thinking lately on the reasons for Scarlet’s motivations behind the whole LS stuff. I(crazy thought incoming) think Scarlet might be playing bad guy for Tyria. Preparing the world for the real fight with the elder dragons. Cause with Primordis incoming there’s probably going to see a lot of destroyer’s popping out of the ground much like the Scarlet invasions. Cause Tbh which full force dragon minion armies have we fought…
So hear me out… The molten alliance used destroyer “tech” to fight you preparation for primordis, aerthblades i feel is a preparation for a dragons flight where they drop blight and crystals… The toxic alliance i feel is a push to the jungle dragon. Even assaulting and killing major cities and leaders to spark the world into action where people will die and people who’re in charge will be under threat and killed and need to be replaced.
So i feel she could be playing the villain to prepare us for the fight to come.

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Living story so far..?

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So from what I can see A-net has decided to “hint..?” on the possibility of a new elder dragon(believed to be Primordus). And then that got me thinking… What-if when A-net gave the community a choice during the election last year. And at this the writers had two chosen paths for the intrepid heroes of Tyria. Be it scarlet briar or some unseen villain they had lined up. And to add an altogether new dragon… Maybe water because of the ties to Abbadon the god of water and secrets(because of the fractal)

Just wanted to get my madcap theory out there…
The only out of place thing is the molten alliance coming first. However this could’ve been stretched out for the other story due to their utter destruction after the molten facility. However in regards to the Karka some speculate it was “bubbles’” influence that forced them from the depths not Zhaitan…

Discuss, my peers.

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