Guild Wars 2

No buttcape, Oh Yeah! Thanks Anet.

Electro.4173:

When the patch first hit people in-game were saying it was an 80% difference. Which would have been absurd. 40% is fine. Brings them more in-line with the rest of the S3 currencies, which come in smaller quantities from vendors and not in guaranteed harvests like the others. And helps with future maps too, since we know UBM is going to be a season-wide currency, having a way to get huge amounts of it was never going to be good for the life of new maps.

Berries are still the best way to get extra unbound magic without a lot of RNG blessing (especially with the new “Consume All” option for convenience). The difference just isn’t as dramatic now.

As for Auric Basin… you can’t seriously be comparing the two. Changing the amount of Unbound Magic you get from using a berry is a much, much, MUCH easier change to make than changing the entire mechanics of a map reward system. And we already know they’re looking into AB anyway, but being a much more complicated change its going to take a while.

I’m comparing the ability to earn money. Not one event or action against the other. One is not abuse, the other is. But what does anet do? they go after the one that is not abuse.

I agree it should have been nerfed some. I just wasn’t expecting this much.

AuTomA.2459:

william dj.6953:

Thanks anet. let people abuse the ab farm for months, Others who wish to earn gold without abusing the system you destroy.

Berryfarm had to be nerfed,free ascendent trinkets and tons of unbound magic for free everyday is just wrong THE SAME AS is wrong AB MULTILOOT AND THEY AREN’T NERFING IT.

Look at ectos : Stacks of ectos popping up on tp every minute because FUN.

I don’t know why they’re not nerfing it,this is just wrong,very very wrong.

Unlike you I had to actually earn the berries I got. Took time. How did you get Anet to give them to you for “free” did they just appear in your inventory when you logged in?
Look at ecto? really that’s your remark? go to gw2tp or gw2bltp look back half and year you will see ecto has been dropping for a long time waaaaaayy before berry farming came along. AB abuse is what contributes to the fall off ecto prices.

Ok I Did It.2854 I based the 40% reduction off of consuming 1000 berries. Before I avg. 10k magic per stack give or take a hundred or 2. But it was pretty consistent. This time for each stack I earned around 6k magic.

Thanks anet. let people abuse the ab farm for months, Others who wish to earn gold without abusing the system you destroy.

To those saying making these changes will hinder future raid development. Basically you’re saying don’t change the difficulty that way we will have more difficult content that even less people will do. In others words if Anet spent time making changes to help ALL the players then that would take away content from the elite players.

So why would players who are unable to raid now be concerned about future development of raids?

Not that I care either way if people farm it all day or not at all. We have people saying it’s not that big a deal since you first have to farm the keys. Then others say, well it really doesn’t generate gold.

imo these are only half truths. One is it’s extremely easy to get more than an ample supply of keys with minimal farming. Providing the player knows what/how.

The other is generating gold. Bottom line, it’s generating gold for someone that’s for sure. To say it doesn’t put any gold in the game is nonsense.
If it wasn’t so dang profitable then why are there 100’s and 100’s of people doing it every other hour. If it wasn’t making someone gold then that someone certainly wouldn’t be doing it. To say vendoring is minimal at best in adding gold into the economy is silly as well. When people are vendoring by the 10’s of thousands a day it all adds up.

Malediktus.9250:

Raids are not meant to be pugged, so you have no right to complain if you are unable (doesnt matter what reason) to make a static group or find a raid guild. Every raid boss kill you get while pugging should be just considered a nice bonus.

@Skyper seen similar post to the one above. And this mindset is mentioned more than once in this thread.

Think it’s interesting the comments, raids are not for pugs, and -it’s your fault if you havent pugged. By the same group of people wanting to keep it at 150

One of the repeated arguments is, anyone can pug raids. So complaining about not being able to raid is ridiculous. So no LI shouldn’t be lowered.

Then some of the same group arguing to keep it at 150 for that very reason turns around and say….Raids are not meant to be pugged.

lol so which is it?

Either way this is just the tip of the iceberg on this topic.

ezd.6359:

william dj.6953:

ezd.6359:

TexZero.7910:

william dj.6953:

Oh really? Either you are right and Anet is wrong or Anet is right and you are wrong.
If raids aren’t meant to be pugged. Whats this? Looks like something design just for pugging. go figure.

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Do note that finding a group doesn’t mean that your average PuG will succeed. Your odds throughout the week will vary ranging from excellent at reset to I want to punt a puppy on sunday.

You are genius. Last step – you need to realise wtf we are talking about.

You say toe-may-toe, I say ta-mah-toe, you say talking, I say whining

I think I know whats being talked about after 7 pages.

Some have spent more time and effort earning the items needed for their goal. Others have not spend enough time. Those who haven’t spent enough time are upset with those who have. They demand Anet lower the requirements to satisfy their lack of commitment, enabling them to achieve the same thing as those who put in more effort than they.

Sound about right?

Negative. Those who earn theirs kills using LFG spend more time and apply more efforts. While those who have static groups have all very easy. And in same time they will be able to craft armor while others will continue to spend hours, days and weeks in randoms lfg groups.

Want to know whose fault that is try using one of these.

ezd.6359:

TexZero.7910:

william dj.6953:

Oh really? Either you are right and Anet is wrong or Anet is right and you are wrong.
If raids aren’t meant to be pugged. Whats this? Looks like something design just for pugging. go figure.

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Do note that finding a group doesn’t mean that your average PuG will succeed. Your odds throughout the week will vary ranging from excellent at reset to I want to punt a puppy on sunday.

You are genius. Last step – you need to realise wtf we are talking about.

You say toe-may-toe, I say ta-mah-toe, you say talking, I say whining

I think I know whats being talked about after 7 pages.

Some have spent more time and effort earning the items needed for their goal. Others have not spend enough time. Those who haven’t spent enough time are upset with those who have. They demand Anet lower the requirements to satisfy their lack of commitment, enabling them to achieve the same thing as those who put in more effort than they.

Sound about right?

TexZero.7910:

william dj.6953:

Oh really? Either you are right and Anet is wrong or Anet is right and you are wrong.
If raids aren’t meant to be pugged. Whats this? Looks like something design just for pugging. go figure.

Anet made that so that you people who do nothing more than sit here and complain about how hard it is to find groups have an easier time finding groups.

Do note that finding a group doesn’t mean that your average PuG will succeed. Your odds throughout the week will vary ranging from excellent at reset to I want to punt a puppy on sunday.

Not sure if you meant me or not. Hard to tell. I don’t raid. Don’t have enough time, never have. Just trolling the post really on a lazy sunday. I think it’s a pretty cool thing Anet made for people who want to. My post was only pointing out Anet did expect people to pug or they wouldn’t have wasted their time making this. After reading 7 pages of this the U.S. Government or Anet is hiding alien technology at area 51

Lol punt a puppy, thats funny.

Malediktus.9250:

Raids are not meant to be pugged, so you have no right to complain if you are unable (doesnt matter what reason) to make a static group or find a raid guild. Every raid boss kill you get while pugging should be just considered a nice bonus.

Oh really? Either you are right and Anet is wrong or Anet is right and you are wrong.
If raids aren’t meant to be pugged. Whats this? Looks like something design just for pugging. go figure.

I’ve unlocked the the collection by completing the auric weapons collection. I’ve managed to get all items for the Luminate’s Backplate except one item the illuminated tendril. I’ve read the 3 champions that spawn Monocot and his buddies need to be killed to acquire this. Had several groups kill and get the event completed. Getting gold on the event. Yet I am unable to get the tendril. Does someone know if this is what needs to be done? Been trying for over a week now with zero success on getting that tendril.
If someone know the correct procedure for acquiring this item I would greatly appreciate the information.

Edit, wiki and Dulfy say to kill the corpse champion. I’ve killed several champs that have the word corpse in it. So not sure if it’s an rng thing or not.

havent we seen this topic a number of times with the same comments.
I don’t want to work for my gold. Anet should give it to me for doing nothing since I’m special.
Anyone willing to put in extra time/effort/research should not be allowed to earn any gold since I am to lazy to do the exact same thing. It’s just not fair.

The shelf life of gw1 far exceeds the possible shelf life of gw2. At the rate gw2 is going it wont be long people will be digging out their copies of the game from the bottom of the bargain bins at Wal-Mart.

a week after mega came about, with all the trash talk, QQ and so much negativity in general, it has came to the point I log on invisible, have all possible forms of communication shut off.
There was a time I actually cared and tried to do what is right by other players. now their opinions are about as interesting to me as the last kitten I flush down the toilet.
For me the mega server has made this a solo game. If I see something I want to kill I no longer care if someone wants to solo it or not. If I want to attack I do. I only res on days it is needed for daily. I never expect anyone to res me.
Reason for that, I ressed someone once, only to have that person start shouting in map chat about being ressed and having additional armor damage.
I refuse to take time to ask someone. If they want/need help of any kind. I simply don’t care if they do. I found most of time to stop and ask someone is only a waste of my time anyway. Hearing constant complaints about doing something or not doing something, depending on who is there and what it is has become a nuisance.

If ppl want to solo go to a dungeon alone. Its not rocket science, you don’t own the world map. Your gaming is no more important than anyone else.

anyone can buy a tag, it’s only a 100g and means nothing more than someone spent 100g. Yes there are some people who know what they are doing. With megaserver, it’s clear more people with tags are completely clueless. imo one out of every 10 may know what they are doing. the other 9 are just wannabe’s wanting to impress other noobs.

over and over I keep seeing comments about the rewards from tp. Been playing it for some time. Even googled and wiki search still not able to find a list of items the tp gives as a reward. Just wondering if someone who keeps saying the rewards from tp would mind to post the link of possible rewards. I just can’t seem to find it. go figure.

Either there is a list of rewards or they don’t exist. But as adamantly as some claim there is, there must be a list somewhere. Need to know what I need to buy to be able to claim or attempt to get the tp to drop that item for me. Is it like the forge? random?

@tolunart.2095 and Ohoni, You are correct, I did a little research. I was wrong assuming the majority exchanged for gold. My assumption was initially based on my early months in the game and my purchases of gems and what I did with them.

But even buying rng items has potential to turn to gold for the purchaser of gems.

I still believe creating a dependency of game gold, is a very good thing for Anet. That’s just me though.

Ohoni.6057 your comment. "Again, we’re looking at the same facts, but reaching different conclusions.

If we were looking at the same “facts” our conclusions would be the same. The reason they are different is we are forming opinions due to lack of facts. And I mean me as well.

Your right, we do not have the data to say for certain what people do with gems. imo most people exchange for gold. In yours majority do not. My opinion is based on my experience when I first started playing and more importantly the layout of the trading post window.
It is my opinion the layout encourages a behavior the developers of this product want to encourage. Not just to by buy gems with real money. Which imo is its primary function in spite of our perception as to its convenience to the players who play the game.

There has been a claim made by the opposition about separation of poor and wealthy players. I certainly do believe it exists. If there is a top 5% then there must be a bottom 5%.

I also believe those who developed the trading post was 100% without a doubt certain it would happen, and it would happen with the very reason it has happened.
My problem with the complaints about this, yes I believe it exist. But I do not see it as a problem. It was expected to happen for a reason.

So when suggestions are made to encourage less dependency on game gold is made I really don’t see that as a long term option for the life of GW2, oh sure I think they will throw us a bone now and then only to make us come back for more..

Now its possible I need to get off this grassy knoll and hit up Starbucks

@Ohoni.6057 it most certainly is being argued you are not thinking outside of the box GW2 came in. If you look at how people need more gold ( more gem purchases) because of the separation of wealth. It is part of the bottom line.

Do you believe Anet wants people to buy gems? Yes. What would be the main reason to purchase gems? Gold. What do most people do with gems once they are purchased? Exchange for gold. What is the best way to encourage people to buy more gems? Make them need more.
imo altering anything in the game to give people a reason not to buy gems with real money is part of the bottom line.
I’ve read your post, we will just have to agree to disagree. Well I read some of them. They seem to be pretty much the same page after page of the exact same thing. Just worded differently.

fyi, The evidence you refuse to believe is posted online for all to see. Feel free to look it up.

Edit. the answers I put in 2n paragraph are mine. I’m not assuming you would answer that way.

I’ve seen comments about responsibility to the players. First and foremost above all things. Ncsoft is responsible to their shareholders. With that in mind. We should understand Anet will never do anything that will hurt their bottom line. Micro transactions are a very big thing.
As I’ve mentioned before. People having gold in game is imo what Anet wants people to feel they need. The more gold people need the better it is for them.

Just my opinion, I believe Anet likes it when in game items are high. Encourages either more play time to earn gold. Or more importantly real money purchases for lack of in game funds to have the higher end items we desire.

Do I think they dislike an imbalance of any kind in their game. Sure I think they would dislike it. Lack of balance makes for some unhappy costumers. End the end though, it is a business. Whatever will make them the most money is where they will and should go with their product.

imo, reducing the amount of gold players feel they need is reducing profit for them.

I’m no longer going to debate the issue as to who is right or wrong. everyone has a right to their opinion. This one is just mine.

But everyone ignored it, so I said “kitten it” and went back to arguing extremes, because that’s all any of you actually care about or focus on.

yet another attempt to claim to know the operation of “everyone’s” mind. Your assumptions have led to more than one false claim today.

@Gene, you are trying to read way more into it that what was said. But no I did not advocate stealing you clearly did.

Your right though, I’m most likely not paying close attention considering the source.

Should there be a wealth gap from someone who plays 1-2 hours a week vs someone who plays 4-6 hrs a day? there will be wealth gaps that have nothing to do with tp.

And that I will agree with as well. The data would be nice. But is it something we as players are entitled to? I don’t think so.

Is it less redundant than to continue to say it over and over without proof?

Apparently so, depending which side of the fence your on. Which shows the complete ridiculousness of this discussion.

See you say one thing, then turn right around and contradict yourself. Telling me how wrong I am by saying such a thing, when you are doing the exact same thing. Just silly imo

any proof showing tp players hurt the economy. Even one little itty bitty tiny piece of PROOF.

And yes you would be correct. And not the first to suggest that. And I am certain will not be the last.

This thread reminds me of the fable, The 10 blind men describing an elephant.
The fact is, we don’t have all the data Yet, even though we don’t and we know we don’t, we are more than willing to state facts. People posting on here trying to post all fancy little comments and phrases. Trying to make other think they are more than the sum of their parts. If you can’t prove your point with facts. It’s nothing more than speculation or opinions disguised as facts.

Reader’s Digest condensed version of last 11 pages
player a- there is a broblem
player b- no there isn’t
player a- yes there is, I can’t prove it or put my finger on it, but here, let me tell you how to fix a problem I can’t prove exist.

It’s so absurd.

@Essence Snow, very possible I misunderstood that. Won’t be the first time. I would like for you to answer my questions in the second and last paragraph of that post though.

the part I just edited in. If your answer is regardless of time spent to gold earned should be equal. And you are very persistent at using real life situations. I would have to believe you feel a heart surgeon should earn exactly what a paperboy makes.

comment by Smooth Penguin. “But if the methods or mechanics are available to all players, why aren’t more people doing it? If more people did it, that means the velocity of the acquired wealth is put “in balance”. Again, the TP does not create coin. It shares it among players. The more players doing this, the less of it can be spread.”

This is dead on. people are able to make more gold from tp, because not many choose to do this. there is only so much coming in and so much going out. More people = less pie per person, less people = more pie per person. Saying the fault lies in the mechanics and not the player is ridicules.
That is the same as putting the blame on the pie pan on how big a piece each person gets.

“Sooper pooper sekret 4moola” oh come on now that was funny.

To think Anet would reduce reliance on gold is a big stretch, I believe it is the complete opposite. The more dependent players are on gold the better it is for Anet.

People may want to look up how much Anet made in micro transactions. The more gems are worth the better it is for them. Now lets see, what is connected to gems that give them value….

Is Anet big brother?? And has a hot line to some people that play the game. How in the world do some people know for certain how much time anyone spends on tp. How much time doing research.

To argue against earned vs time invested. One must first know how much time was invested vs what is earned. If they don’t know, then its very simple the person making those claims simply doesn’t know what they are talking about. Only assuming and we all know what that leads to.

Some people sure like to argue about things they don’t know. But it makes for interesting reading when we are bored. Waiting for orders to come in.

I guess since tp has no risk, all the post about making an investment and losing gold because they were wrong, I guess all those people are just liars. That’s what anyone is implying when they say tp has no risk.

tp lacks risk, funniest thing I’ve read today. If it was true. I would be far more rich than I am.

That comment and others which agree with it. Is actually nice to see at the first part of any post. Makes for far less reading.
When I see someone post something completely untrue. I just stop reading at that point fully aware they poster has no clue what they are talking about.

if compensation is valid here, then we must say. Anytime there is a change regardless of item or cost those who spend time or gold acquiring that item should be compensated. If you do not agree with this then the compensation for dual legendary argument holds no water.

One persons gold or time should not be more valuable than the others.

The tp wouldn’t make people rich, if players didn’t opt to sell to highest buyer. Enabling the buyer to resell for a profit. The, I want my money now and don’t want to wait attitude from sellers is what makes traders rich. That and speculation.

Put the blame where it belongs. On the players, not the trading post.

Walls and walls of txt, nope not gonna read that. I find when someone has to put up pages and pages of something its usually to defend their opinion. If you cant point out why something is wrong in couple of sentences. The rest is just walls of feelings, which is irrelevant. Feelings belong on Phil.

Griefer’s are little pansies in real life. They can only act that way in a game because they KNOW you can’t do anything about it. They would never act like that in real life out of fear, be nice to them, that’s all they have going for them as far as anything aggressive yeesshhh.

Op, it is a pvp area and pvp is expected. To cause grief to others is something different though, it is done by people in a game, the same type of people that would never stand up for themselves in real life and like to hide behind momma’s skirt. Those who support this behavior are the same ones that stand at the back of a blob only to proclaim how awesome they are. When in fact they are nothing. Nothing you can do about it. Don’t let spineless trolls get to you.

Oh I get it, I got it from the beginning, I and many others just don’t believe the claims as to why.
Funny thing is, if you all would just be honest. There would be less negativity towards this. You have brought it on yourself, claiming one thing when intentions were completely different. Wanting to dampen the way others play because your tired of the grind to stay at the top. You can deny this till the cows come home, wont change the truth.
bye bye now, I’m done with this silly thread. So you can get back to blaming Anet for your faults. Apparently that is beyond your ability to comprehend.

Hellmasker, Your 100% correct, I do not have to do those things. Nor am I QQ about changes to make those things easier. If there is a bug, you bet I would like it fixed. And the bug in the current dailies available is where/what??

Your barking up the wrong tree here sweatheart, everyone knows exactly why some want these changes, even though they lie and lie and lie saying its for a different reason, And that same group of people is just mad because they can’t convince others the sky is not blue.

yamiga, it has been suggested many times. We want the amount of dailies one can earn a day reduced, we want a cap of 5-8 as the most amount of dailies one can earn in a day. Now its a hard cap of a different kind. Maybe if those wanting the changes didn’t start off with, please make our lives easier by taking away the amount of dailies EVERYONE can earn, there wouldn’t be so many people still hating on the idea of change.
We know what a hard cap is, we also know what a red herring is.

Malediktus, " having to do so many dailies" this is one of the biggest complaints many of the opposition to the suggested changes have. And no matter how many times it has been said, apparently some just don’t get it. Some believe they simply DO NOT have a CHOICE. And because of that mindset, they wish to change the game for those who realize they DO have a CHOICE. good grief, how many times does it have to be spelled out.

Awe, even though I don’t agree with all the suggestions made. You do state your case well.
The one I disagree with the most is capping the amount of dailies one can earn in a day. Which is not what you suggested. But that suggestion is without a doubt very self serving.

It’s not about the leaderboard I swear, I only check it 2-10 times a week to see if others are doing their dailies and are about to catch up with me.

uh oh, player x only has 15 points less than me, I better make sure I don’t miss any daily. hmmm, player y is only 15 points ahead of me, if I work hard and don’t miss any daily and they miss a few I can catch them.

This is the mentality of those who want the change, but deny the leaderboard has anything to do with it.
If the leaderboard is not the issue, I wonder why its one of the most mentioned things in this thread.

If its not about the leaderboards, why are you checking it all the time. If its not about the leaderboard, how do you know what players x and y have?
If its not about the leaderboards, why do you want to take away possible ap people can earn in a day?
Just because some believe their own lies, doesn’t mean everyone does.
Its nonsense like this that makes the claims on this thread a joke.

Actually Awe, I do believe you. The majority of those wanting these changes. I do not believe for one second, their agenda is so blatantly obvious.

So I will ask the same question just would like a different answer.

Would the changes make those at the top to the leader board. Easier or Harder to maintain that position?

@Yamiga, so you really want people to believe the proposed changes will make it more difficult for those at the top of the leaderboard to maintain their position?

And some wonder why those who are boohooing for these changes are laughed at.

Those at the top are complaining about the amount of work it takes a day to get all the ap. (amount of work it takes to stay at top of leaderboard) So by saying no, you are saying they want it to be harder for them to stay there. What a joke.

Awe, you asked me a question and I answered. Now allow me to ask you one. Or anyone that wants these changes can answer the question.

Would the proposed changes allow those at the top of the leaderboard maintain their position much easier?

If the answer is Yes, this, in my opinion is why so many people are against it. This said group of people come on forums make suggestions claiming its for the benefit of all in the game. When this is 100% a big fat lie. It is to benefit them the most and they know it. When others call them out on their lying they start pitching a fit.

No matter how many numbers are thrown out there, no matter how many times the suggestions are reworded its still the same thing. A lie that centers on the selfishness of this group.

And btw, the question really only requires a yes or no answer. Not the typical avoidance of answering a question that so many do when trying to convince those on the board of their position. By throwing up walls of txt.