Guild Wars 2

TOTALLY AGREED.

i use “Fast-Cast Ground Targeting” and when trying to use at max range it always a guessing game.

would be nice to have

Seems like a way out of using skills effectively and intelligently.

Gnat.9405:

Seems like a way out of using skills effectively and intelligently.

No, it’s a way to avoid losing distance simply because it’s too hard to find that fine-line in a fast moving environment. This would do nothing but clear up clunkiness.

Also, it would actually add some risk/reward. Your reward is obvious but the risk is casting spells you’re still not in range for. It has some give/take.

So I could just place my cursor in the sky forward to let me Blink at the max possible distance?
No, I don’t like it. It’s a l2p issue and it will oversimplify things.

hihey.1075:

So I could just place my cursor in the sky forward to let me Blink at the max possible distance?
No, I don’t like it. It’s a l2p issue and it will oversimplify things.

no… it’d need ground to even trigger just like now. It’s just if you want to get the true max distance out of your ground targets you could, and not have the mistaken “out of range” and have to re use it yada yada, it’s to fix clunkiness, not “buff” anyone. Reducing ANY amount of clunkiness in a game is a good change, especially if mechanically it doesn’t change much.

I dont see the harm, basicly just a QoL improvement.

I could support this. It’s annoying having to re-cast AoE spells several time because you couldn’t see the max range through the screen clutter. Or worse, you hit/missed a small bump/rock/object on the map.

This is quite simple. Use the in-between option of ground targeted and fast-cast. The range indicator circle shows up as you move your cursor.

hihey.1075:

No, I don’t like it. It’s a l2p issue and it will oversimplify things.

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Agreed. All other games do it because it makes sense.

Axialbloom.8109:

Agreed. All other games do it because it makes sense.

Exactly. It just simply makes sense. Making you cut off some of your distance just because of a distance cap makes certain moves feel way too clunky.

ronpierce.2760:

Axialbloom.8109:

Agreed. All other games do it because it makes sense.

Exactly. It just simply makes sense. Making you cut off some of your distance just because of a distance cap makes certain moves feel way too clunky.

Sometimes i wonder if i fight the UI more than i fight enemies.

That’s why you do this. :P haha just playing. I agree… UI parts get in the way a lot when ground targeting (such at HP bars), distance cut offs, clutter, yada yada. Its not the main/only issue, but it’s certainly part of the bunch.

This feature was alive and well back in Shadowbane. I was surprised it wasn’t in GW2. I made this suggestion shortly after release. It’s a no brainer.

Ross Biddle.2367:

This feature was alive and well back in Shadowbane. I was surprised it wasn’t in GW2. I made this suggestion shortly after release. It’s a no brainer.

^ Please keep this up near the top so they can see this. Should definitely happen. Reduces clunkiness across the entire game for every class, very good change.

ah thanks everyone!
finally! i have a topic that many people are actually agreeable with!

hihey,
why not? it would not hurt you one bit.

This is so bad. Proper timing and activation of targeted AoE skills based on one’s positional relation to a target is one of the very few gauges for skill in this game. By making such abilities into things that are auto-aimed for you, it wrecks that skill-based aspect.

Swagg.9236:

This is so bad. Proper timing and activation of targeted AoE skills based on one’s positional relation to a target is one of the very few gauges for skill in this game. By making such abilities into things that are auto-aimed for you, it wrecks that skill-based aspect.

i thought you said making the game easier for everyone is good?

Swagg.9236:

This is so bad. Proper timing and activation of targeted AoE skills based on one’s positional relation to a target is one of the very few gauges for skill in this game. By making such abilities into things that are auto-aimed for you, it wrecks that skill-based aspect.

Its not about AOE. Actually this would hurt aoe as if you place it too far you’d actually be ruining your own accuracy. It’s specifically useful for ground movement abilities like blink, yada yada. If you think about it, it could actually backlash a poor player using max ranged AOEs. So i think it needs to be an option. Less clunky = good.

Swagg.9236:

This is so bad. Proper timing and activation of targeted AoE skills based on one’s positional relation to a target is one of the very few gauges for skill in this game. By making such abilities into things that are auto-aimed for you, it wrecks that skill-based aspect.

So if i don’t 90 degree drift every turn of my commute i am a lesser human being?

This chase of “skill” has got to go…

ya every lil hill and bump makes it impossible to aim aoe skills at max distance . i wish it just did not go in the red zone
so that when your mouse is out of range of your skill u can click and it will cast at the max distance . with out u finding the sweet spot where it does not hit red

your skills distance is always getting cut because of uneven ground

when using teleportation spells such as blink and flash you generaly already are in a position where emergancy response is a necesity… wasting time on choosing the perfect range gets you killed. This doesnt promote good play this just promote a useless mechanics. Blink and flash where designed as escape moves for the purpose of evading lethal nuking. If i constantly have to aim before teleporting for a decent position im loosing precious seconds wich can be fatal to my character (even a single second can be the defrence between life and death in spvp).

Swagg.9236:

This is so bad. Proper timing and activation of targeted AoE skills based on one’s positional relation to a target is one of the very few gauges for skill in this game. By making such abilities into things that are auto-aimed for you, it wrecks that skill-based aspect.

The skill needed for a game should not come from how well you can battle against the mechanics and controls of the game.

They could make it so that in order to walk forward to had to tap the w key to the beat of the Star Wars soundtrack.. that would certainly take skill but that doesnt make it good design. Its just makes it annoying to play.

Totally agree with this request, it was what I thought “fast ground targeting” would actually do when they introduced it.

caveman.5840:

ya every lil hill and bump makes it impossible to aim aoe skills at max distance . i wish it just did not go in the red zone
so that when your mouse is out of range of your skill u can click and it will cast at the max distance . with out u finding the sweet spot where it does not hit red

your skills distance is always getting cut because of uneven ground

ya! that’s the idea of this proposal. let us target it at the max possible distance when we aim it out of range.

oh kitten i did not realize uneven terrain will cause such targeting problems.

no wonder i feel the target-able range is shorter when going up stairs.

signed.

I often feel like i’m fighting the UI more than the game. It’s one of the worst UIs of any game. Other things I hate:

• not being able to rearrange the UI
• the small size and placement of boons/conditions
• having to look at opposite extremes of the screen to see my vs my enemy’s health (obvious UEX/design fail)
• the personal story BS obscuring a large chunk of the screen
• modal windows that block windows below them instead of coming to front
• the many pointless dialogue windows that require manual closing
• search filters in the auction house that don’t work (>12months after release)
  i could go on…

This seems like a good idea, though i have a few questions about it.

How will this affect hemispherical aimed skills, such as meteor storm and frost bow #4?
What will happen to other ground targeted skills such as mind stab and lava font/eruption etc. How would these react to the max radius change?

Cufufalating.8479:

Swagg.9236:

This is so bad. Proper timing and activation of targeted AoE skills based on one’s positional relation to a target is one of the very few gauges for skill in this game. By making such abilities into things that are auto-aimed for you, it wrecks that skill-based aspect.

The skill needed for a game should not come from how well you can battle against the mechanics and controls of the game.

They could make it so that in order to walk forward to had to tap the w key to the beat of the Star Wars soundtrack.. that would certainly take skill but that doesnt make it good design. Its just makes it annoying to play.

/signed.

xsquared.1926:

This seems like a good idea, though i have a few questions about it.

How will this affect hemispherical aimed skills, such as meteor storm and frost bow #4?
What will happen to other ground targeted skills such as mind stab and lava font/eruption etc. How would these react to the max radius change?

Unless i am completely wrong, the max range of those are base on center of AOE.

digiowl.9620:

xsquared.1926:

This seems like a good idea, though i have a few questions about it.

How will this affect hemispherical aimed skills, such as meteor storm and frost bow #4?
What will happen to other ground targeted skills such as mind stab and lava font/eruption etc. How would these react to the max radius change?

Unless i am completely wrong, the max range of those are base on center of AOE.

Sort of, with the exception that you can line up meteor storm if you use Burning retreat and cast meteor storm while doing so, effectivly pushing you at the out of range line. This allows you to eliminate a single axis of the meteor storm and makes it cast as a wall/line.

The reason for this is because Meteor Storm is a six stage channel, dropping 4 meteors each 16% of the channel done. The same applies to frost bow, except i don’t know how many stages it has, but i’m assuming its a 4 or 5 stage channel with 4/5 projectiles dropping down each stage.

This also works with mesmer portal if you want to pinpoint a location, you have to hit it at a perfect 135/215 degree angle for it to work though

scerevisiae.1972:

signed.

I often feel like i’m fighting the UI more than the game. It’s one of the worst UIs of any game. Other things I hate:

• not being able to rearrange the UI
• the small size and placement of boons/conditions
• having to look at opposite extremes of the screen to see my vs my enemy’s health (obvious UEX/design fail)
• the personal story BS obscuring a large chunk of the screen
• modal windows that block windows below them instead of coming to front
• the many pointless dialogue windows that require manual closing
• search filters in the auction house that don’t work (>12months after release)
  i could go on…

+1

also
+no searchfilters for armortypes, backitems, shades
+no option to save search results or filter settings

plz fix anet

+1 on this one.

I agree with this too.. too super annoying for something like shadowstep. If I’m getting my face CC’ed off sometimes depending on the terrain it’s harder to judge when shadowstep is out of range and sometimes I end up losing valuable seconds while trying to make the kitten circle turn green.

you get all my +1’s. a lot of ranged skills do that already (dragon’s tooth for example), only ground target AoEs can’t. it’s annoying.

This would be a huge quality of life improvement.

It’s not the first time it’s been suggested either. Hopefully it’s on the “to-do” list.

the title of this thread should be changed to gw2 life improvement
i just want to add . traits with a cool down should have a on screen timer so we know when it is ready !

Would improve ground targeting a lot across the board.

+1

As an alternative, if there was some sort of system in place whereby you could only extend the targeting circle to the maximum possible range, that would possibly also accomplish what the OP desires. That would still allow you to see where you’ve targeted instead of trying to interpret the actual targeted location based on an “out of range” location.

Essentially, you could move your mouse past the maximum range distance for and ability, say Blink. However, the actual targeting circle would get stuck at 900 (or 1200 if traited) distance units so that it doesn’t cross into the red zone. That way, you can simply extend your mouse away, see the position where it’s at and click as opposed to hovering it around a bit to get it at the maximum range. If you still want to precisely target the ability, such a system doesn’t remove that.

However, this isn’t likely something that can possibly be implemented quickly, so I find it doubtful that such a system will ever exist. I think part of the design of skills like blink is to require that the user specifically target their location, thereby enabling an ability to be more powerful due to its required “skill shot”. Things like earthshaker were never supposed to be used for escaping purposes anyways, so it makes sense that it’s designed the way it is.

All for it here.

/banana

y would u make this traited ?
this is just meant to be a simple fix to improve quality of life for everyone can’t see how it would be op if every one can use there skills at max distance it is a equal improvement for every one

insta cast could use a fix so u can click a skill with the mouse drag it and let go.
right now if u click and try to drag with insta cast . the aoe aimer gets stuck at your feet

Yamsandjams.3267:

As an alternative, if there was some sort of system in place whereby you could only extend the targeting circle to the maximum possible range, that would possibly also accomplish what the OP desires. That would still allow you to see where you’ve targeted instead of trying to interpret the actual targeted location based on an “out of range” location.

This is a good compromise, but IMO both behaviours should be supported with a UI toggle for clamping the range of the cast instead of clamping the range of the targeting reticle.

caveman.5840:

insta cast could use a fix so u can click a skill with the mouse drag it and let go.
right now if u click and try to drag with insta cast . the aoe aimer gets stuck at your feet

Not a problem with instacast, but a problem with how ground targeting interact with UI elements.

You get the very same effect if you rest the mouse over the target readout (top center), the skill bar, the top left toolbar, the chat box if it is made opaque, the map, even earlier incarnations of the top right “questbar”.

I first noticed the issue almost a year ago, reported it, and nothing has happened since.

A related effect is if you drag the mouse onto a UI element after “readying” a cast (have a AOE circle following the mouse). If cast, the game will give you a “out of range” error and the relevant skill will go on cooldown.

oops not insta cast … but fast cast range indicator…
the aoe aimer gets stuck at your feet .

Yamsandjams.3267:

As an alternative, if there was some sort of system in place whereby you could only extend the targeting circle to the maximum possible range, that would possibly also accomplish what the OP desires. That would still allow you to see where you’ve targeted instead of trying to interpret the actual targeted location based on an “out of range” location.

Essentially, you could move your mouse past the maximum range distance for and ability, say Blink. However, the actual targeting circle would get stuck at 900 (or 1200 if traited) distance units so that it doesn’t cross into the red zone. That way, you can simply extend your mouse away, see the position where it’s at and click as opposed to hovering it around a bit to get it at the maximum range. If you still want to precisely target the ability, such a system doesn’t remove that.

However, this isn’t likely something that can possibly be implemented quickly, so I find it doubtful that such a system will ever exist. I think part of the design of skills like blink is to require that the user specifically target their location, thereby enabling an ability to be more powerful due to its required “skill shot”. Things like earthshaker were never supposed to be used for escaping purposes anyways, so it makes sense that it’s designed the way it is.

a third alternative would be a combination of both.

if i move my green targeting circle out of range, it will become red, but a yellow targeting circle will show the actual targeted area.

ooo i am liking the sound of that .
but it should be if u click the yellow it will auto cast at max distance
or something like that

caveman.5840:

ooo i am liking the sound of that .
but it should be if u click the yellow it will auto cast at max distance
or something like that

ya ya! that’s the idea!

any news/response from ANet about this option ?