I’m somewhat surprised with the way crafting works. This update adds Celestial craftable items, which IMO is great… But, the system feels somewhat grindy. We need:
To get Quartz crystals. Those will be permanently available to each character who finishes the BofFW meta event, on a per character basis, through a node on the personal instance that gives 1-3 crystals per day. They can be traded.
25 Quartz crystals are needed to craft a single Charged Quartz Crystal in a Place of Power (the skill points). Those can be made only once per account per day.
Each Celestial insignia/inscription requires 5 Charged Quartz Crystals. Which means, it will take at least five days.
So to make one Celestial item, we need:
5 Charged Quartz Crystals, which means…
125 Quartz Crystals and 5 days, which means…
At 3 Quartz per day, more or less 41 days…
Doesn’t this feel somewhat grindy to get a single item? It isn’t a matter of having something challenging to do… It’s just time gates.
“I think that players are starting to mature past the point of wanting to be on that
treadmill, of being in that obvious pattern of every time I catch up you are going to
put another carrot in front of me” – Mike O’Brien right before Ascended weapons
I’m somewhat surprised with the way crafting works. This update adds Celestial craftable items, which IMO is great… But, the system feels somewhat grindy. We need:
To get Quartz crystals. Those will be permanently available to each character who finishes the BofFW meta event, on a per character basis, through a node on the personal instance that gives 1-3 crystals per day. They can be traded.
25 Quartz crystals are needed to craft a single Charged Quartz Crystal in a Place of Power (the skill points). Those can be made only once per account per day.
Each Celestial insignia/inscription requires 5 Charged Quartz Crystals. Which means, it will take at least five days.
So to make one Celestial item, we need:
5 Charged Quartz Crystals, which means…
125 Quartz Crystals and 5 days, which means…
At 3 Quartz per day, more or less 41 days…
Doesn’t this feel somewhat grindy to get a single item? It isn’t a matter of having something challenging to do… It’s just time gates.
While I don’t disagree, look at ascended amulets/accessories, either laurels or guild commendations, both of which are time locked too (same for trying to get a ring as a random drop from fractals or enough tokens for your dungeon armor). So it doesn’t bother me too much.
And on the plus side, I’m sure a lot of people who have access to the quartz node will not want to make an item and instead try to sell them on the AH, which should bring down the total days. Though I’m sure the longer you wait the better (I’m sure those first couple days of quartz the price will be through the roof, until it finds a nice resting place).
I wrote the BotFW guide for GuildMag so I can address your concerns for you:
The personal node isn’t the only way to get quartz.
Quartz is also rewarded on completion of the Sanctum Sprint race, mine-able from nodes across the Bazaar of the Four Winds, dropped from the Zephyr Sanctum Supply boxes and countless other likely sources (such as quest rewards, achievement rewards, etc).
The July event is going to create a huge supply of quartz in the market. You also have 5 home instances, and while I was not able to complete the achievement to check… the Belcher’s Bluff NPCs are in each home instance… so my charr traveled to the home instance in The Grove for example to face off the sylvari Om master there.
That means possible personal supply of 15 quartz/day.
While I don’t disagree, look at ascended amulets/accessories, either laurels or guild commendations, both of which are time locked too
That makes sense to me considering how Ascended gear is more powerful than exotic gear, and one of the reasons why it was implemented was to be something slower to acquire.
Celestial exotic gear, in other hand, isn’t exactly more powerful than other pieces of Exotic gear. If anything, it will probably be less popular than Berzeker gear. I’m somewhat annoyed that one is so grindier than the other to get.
You also have 5 home instances, and while I was not able to complete the achievement to check…
Dulffy’s guide mentions the Quartz node in the personal instance is character based, so it’s only available to a character after that specific character has finished the BofFW meat achievement.
“I think that players are starting to mature past the point of wanting to be on that
treadmill, of being in that obvious pattern of every time I catch up you are going to
put another carrot in front of me” – Mike O’Brien right before Ascended weapons
1) There are more options than just the personal node to get quartz from. I listed a bunch here. However, it doesn’t matter how much Quartz you have as the bottleneck is in the production of Charged Quartz which is only produced once per day per acccount.
2) That personal node thingie is only available for once per account. Once you consume it, it disappears and you can’t get it on other characters. This means that you can only mine that character’s home instance once per day per account.
1) There are more options than just the personal node to get quartz from. I listed a bunch here. However, it doesn’t matter how much Quartz you have as the bottleneck is in the production of Charged Quartz which is only produced once per day per acccount.
2) That personal node thingie is only available for once per account. Once you consume it, it disappears and you can’t get it on other characters. This means that you can only mine that character’s home instance once per day per account.
Yeah, sorry dulfy I read your guide after I posted my first comment. Based on your guide it seems that quartz will be as common as candy corn or ziataffy (at least for people who roam in the new zone). And Erasculio I guess you are right. Having to wait 30 days to get a full set of exotic gear is a little silly. But I don’t think your concern of not having enough quartz will happen. I’m sure the market will be flooded after this event, and the inclusion of 1 node/account that does the meta event is just to help keep a constant flow to make sure we don’t run out (opposed to snowflakes for givers gear).
I didn’t notice in your guide dulfy (also great guide and thanks!), but can you trade charged quartz?
1) There are more options than just the personal node to get quartz from. I listed a bunch here. However, it doesn’t matter how much Quartz you have as the bottleneck is in the production of Charged Quartz which is only produced once per day per acccount.
2) That personal node thingie is only available for once per account. Once you consume it, it disappears and you can’t get it on other characters. This means that you can only mine that character’s home instance once per day per account.
Yeah, sorry dulfy I read your guide after I posted my first comment. Based on your guide it seems that quartz will be as common as candy corn or ziataffy (at least for people who roam in the new zone). And Erasculio I guess you are right. Having to wait 30 days to get a full set of exotic gear is a little silly. But I don’t think your concern of not having enough quartz will happen. I’m sure the market will be flooded after this event, and the inclusion of 1 node/account that does the meta event is just to help keep a constant flow to make sure we don’t run out (opposed to snowflakes for givers gear).
I didn’t notice in your guide dulfy (also great guide and thanks!), but can you trade charged quartz?
Given that it specifically says it’s account bound (in bold), no you can’t trade it.
This means that you can only mine that character’s home instance once per day per account.
So I can mine my other characters home instances as well or once I mine it on Character A’s instance the node is used up for characters B C D etc instance?
You have gotten what you paid for, all that remains is biweekly gemshop pushing.
This means that you can only mine that character’s home instance once per day per account.
So I can mine my other characters home instances as well or once I mine it on Character A’s instance the node is used up for characters B C D etc instance?
You get ONE ticket as reward for the meta-achievement. You can use that ticket on any ONE of your characters, and that character can mine their home instance once per day.
This means that you can only mine that character’s home instance once per day per account.
So I can mine my other characters home instances as well or once I mine it on Character A’s instance the node is used up for characters B C D etc instance?
You get ONE ticket as reward for the meta-achievement. You can use that ticket on any ONE of your characters, and that character can mine their home instance once per day.
Now it’s clear. The way everyone was going on it sounded like you had to do the event over and over on each character for each of them to get the node.
You have gotten what you paid for, all that remains is biweekly gemshop pushing.
If you actually wanted to grind all the materials for a piece of exotic crafted armor in the same manner as the new celestial gear, you’d get 1 glob of ectoplasm and 1 t6 material per day. It IS rather silly. The charged quart crystals are basically a new form of laurels (get one daily, eventually you can get 30 for your gear).
That being said, if you want your full celestial set on the first day, I’m sure you can spend a metric ton of gold the moment they become available on the trading post. (People who bought the holographic dragon wings for 40g can tell you it’d be money well spent.)
Don’t you need to “merge” 25 quartz into one charged, which can then be used for crafting? 5 are need for each piece and you can only get one charged per day. Thats at least 30 days (and 750 quartz) just to get enough charged for one set of the armor, and thats going to be even longer at the end of the event (depending on how much they are on TP and the stock of them), once we can only get the quartz once per day on A character.
come on haha u can’t have everything instantaneously, we’ve (some people have) already grinded for like 9 months…. a couple of days or a month is nothing really! This is something new, so it makes sense to have it take a while, else it will be too easy
Thats at least 30 days (and 750 quartz) just to get enough charged for one set of the armor, and thats going to be even longer at the end of the event (depending on how much they are on TP and the stock of them), once we can only get the quartz once per day on A character.
I figure there’s going to be an initial high price that will quickly plummet like candy corn and zaitaffy, with the small trickle of quartz from those that finish the meta just helping to keep the price down/the stock up once the event is over. If I recall from dulfy’s guide, there are a lot of ways to get quartz during the event besides the several nodes in the new map, so getting ~50+/day should be really easy. And remember not everyone is going to want celestial stats.
If your build uses berserker’s stats you are laughing. Just run CoF or hell, craft it using fairly easy to acquire materials (granted blood has a premium on it due to shared markets). If your build desires celestial stats, you have to jump through so many more hoops. I get that ArenaNet wants to make rewards different, but why does it have to come in the form of discrimination against different armour stats? Settler stats, sentinel’s stats, apothecary stats and now celestial stats. To create equally powered armour, players are having to work so much harder.
I wish armour stats were consistently available through a variety of methods without the needless discrimination. All the “new” stats should be added as dungeon sets and more attainably crafted recipes. Save the grindy and complicated systems for armour skins.
I get the time gating but what I don’t understand is the need to make things account bound. Give people a chance to make money off of their efforts or to craft things when they want for a price premium.
If the charged quartz is account bound, will the final resulting armor also be bound?
This means that you can only mine that character’s home instance once per day per account.
So I can mine my other characters home instances as well or once I mine it on Character A’s instance the node is used up for characters B C D etc instance?
You get ONE ticket as reward for the meta-achievement. You can use that ticket on any ONE of your characters, and that character can mine their home instance once per day.
Now it’s clear. The way everyone was going on it sounded like you had to do the event over and over on each character for each of them to get the node.
Basically, unlocks in each character’s Home on an account basis, and the node itself is account bound like the Blossoming Passiflora is. So you can log into any character once it’s unlocked, and go to their home, then mine it – but only once per day per account.
It’s okay in this one case, since celestial stats are subpar to any specialized ones anyway. It’s not okay though if Anet starts using this approach for everything else now.
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Dunno, celestial armor only fits for very select builds, one of those being perhaps dagger / dagger elementalist. Soo, I’m just gonna sell my crystals and I think many others will do the same. I doubt it will be very valuable in the market.
The July event is going to create a huge supply of quartz in the market. You also have 5 home instances, and while I was not able to complete the achievement to check… the Belcher’s Bluff NPCs are in each home instance… so my charr traveled to the home instance in The Grove for example to face off the sylvari Om master there.
That means possible personal supply of 15 quartz/day.
WRONG
the personal quartz is a once per day per account resource !
which sucks and I’ve been saying it for at least a week now on the forums but the kitten care bears that only play 1 character outnumber me 5:1 !
Everyone that has multiple characters they play on a regular basis will suffer because of the kitten care bears !
And look at how clever a.net did it !
the raw quartz is tradable ! (so we don’t complain right ?)
but the kitten charged quartz is NOT and you can only make ONE per day !
This is kitten outrageous, and blatantly placing a badly implemented TIME GATE
to the game !
The July event is going to create a huge supply of quartz in the market. You also have 5 home instances, and while I was not able to complete the achievement to check… the Belcher’s Bluff NPCs are in each home instance… so my charr traveled to the home instance in The Grove for example to face off the sylvari Om master there.
That means possible personal supply of 15 quartz/day.
WRONG
the personal quartz is a once per day per account resource !
which sucks and I’ve been saying it for at least a week now on the forums but the kitten care bears that only play 1 character outnumber me 5:1 !
Everyone that has multiple characters they play on a regular basis will suffer because of the kitten care bears !
And look at how clever a.net did it !
the raw quartz is tradable ! (so we don’t complain right ?)
but the kitten charged quartz is NOT and you can only make ONE per day !
This is kitten outrageous, and blatantly placing a badly implemented TIME GATE
to the game !
You and me both.
Since they’re limiting us to one charged per day, why can’t we get more regular quartz per day? Especially those of us with more than 5 characters. We bought (and therefore supported development) the characters so we don’t get anything for that?
The entitlement is strong in this one. if its just about the amount of money spent I’m sure some folks bought a few legendaries with gems, should they get several nodes on their one and only character because of that?
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