Guild Wars 2

The Gold-Fed-Salvage-O-Matic will create precursors and let you mount into SAB wearing your cape before dueling with your friend from the guild-alliance.

Troof story.

If a player can’t evaluate these items intelligently, how is that Anet’s fault? Nobody is hidding the simple math you just did from anyone. If you don’t feel the convenience of never having to buy a mid level kit is worth that cost….simply don’t buy it.

The real issue is if new players even KNOW about Mystic Kits….

Now that we have that out of the way, make your REAL complaint….that the kit does not fit what YOU want.

I believe they wanted to make it’s use simple, 1 silver = 1 salvage. Now if it was 1/2 a silver or it had slightly better stats than a master/mystic kit but still nowhere near as good as a BLSK it would be fine.

So something like Somoe’s B.

Brother Grimm.5176:

If a player can’t evaluate these items intelligently, how is that Anet’s fault? Nobody is hidding the simple math you just did from anyone. If you don’t feel the convenience of never having to buy a mid level kit is worth that cost….simply don’t buy it.

The real issue is if new players even KNOW about Mystic Kits….

Now that we have that out of the way, make your REAL complaint….that the kit does not fit what YOU want.

Why do you think Mystic Forge Stones cost zero? To me, it is an exotic quality item (2+ Gold).So Mystic Kits is very expensive.

To me, Silver-Fed Salvage-o-Matic or Master’s Salvage Kits only will be used in rare class item which more than half of the chance you get more gold from TP then Salvaging .

So unlike Basic Salvage version. 25 times is more than enough for runs.

Brother Grimm.5176:

If a player can’t evaluate these items intelligently, how is that Anet’s fault? Nobody is hidding the simple math you just did from anyone. If you don’t feel the convenience of never having to buy a mid level kit is worth that cost….simply don’t buy it.

The real issue is if new players even KNOW about Mystic Kits….

Now that we have that out of the way, make your REAL complaint….that the kit does not fit what YOU want.

The idea here is to help new people (who do not have the experience to evaluate intelligently) to avoid wasting money on a poorly thought out item.

And thank you for bringing up the mystic kits. No one really needs them until they start getting rares and up. The copper fed machine is the one you want for everything else.

I think I will pass on this one and I am a fervent supporter of convenience items. I seem to remember a fair bit of negativity when the copper-fed salvage kit made its appearance and now everyone loves it. Maybe, once the dust settles, the silver fed one will be found useful.

mystic kits… currently they either cost 10.5c per use or they cost 10s per use.
With so many forge stones falling out of achievement chests, 90% of players get enough to make all the mystic kits they need (I salvage more rares than the average person, and my stone income is higher than my mystic kit usage). So because of this, mystic kits are hella cheap at 10.5c per use.
however, they technically do cost gems. And if you either don’t get achievements or salvage a lot of rares, you would have to buy forge stones in order to make mystic kits, so then mystic kits cost 10s per use (with gems at 17g -> 100 gems).
I think you can’t just blanket say that they cost 10.5c.

either way, you don’t price it for the gem store item. you price it for the vendor item: master kit. silver SoM should be 60c per use.

btw, have we tested that silver SoM has the same returns as master and mystic? (remember when copper SoM was broken and had similar returns to master kit?)

Good points. Like you, I have lots of stones that I didn’t have to pay for. To be honest, I also am sitting on more than a few BL salvage kits. The only time that I have ever used the BL’s has been to get runes and sigils that I wanted.

If you accept it as a convenience item only, ignoring the gem cost, then the copper-fed salvage kit is fine. It’s like rationalizing the non-sprocket gathering tools. They are a convenience only and if you want to pay gems for convenience fine.

Problem here is you pay for convenience with gems and continue to pay for convenience with coin. When you charge 62.7% more per salvage on top of 500 gems for the convenience to never be without a master kit, yea, argument for convenience doesn’t hold.

Look on the bright side. Maybe it’s Anet’s way of hinting to us that our inventories will fill up on rares soon. Our revamped rewards will make us swim in yellow loot until we feel the same way about the silver fed salvage O matic as we do about the convenience of the Copper fed.

And yes I sometimes do live in a fantasy world.

PS – I love my Copper fed because it makes life so much easier when clearing inventory quickly. There is always a lot of white, blue and sometimes greens to salvage. The yellows tend to be more rare and certainly not something that would fill a bag quickly.

I salvage EVERYTHING with a Master/Mystic kit, and even /I/ won’t touch this because it isn’t COST effective. That is the entire reason that I moved to master kits for salvaging to BEGIN with. So, in short, once the SoM is made cost effective at silver tier, then I will buy it. And not just one, but one for every main toon that I play. But it doesn’t look to be in gem store for long and the developers don’t seem to care that almost everyone feels this is a TERRIBLE value to fix it, so I probably won’t ever have it.

Oh wait. You know, I had an even better idea. Its super crazy. What if when you go to salvage something with the SoM, it puts a stack of 10 charges on the item and costs 1 silver. That way, they keep their name and their cost, and we get the breakdown per salvage that we want to see as players. I think that that would be an amazing fix to both sides of the equation.

Pay .5s a salvage and change the name to “Not-Quite-A-Silver Fed Salvage-O-Matic”.

Make it monetarily viable and be cute about it. =P

Joining the chorus of players who agree that the SFSoM is totally not worth it. It’s already not worth using Master/Mystic Kits on anything other than Rares and Exotics, and unless you’re a super salvager that salvages hundreds of Rares a month, you likely will not go through enough of those Kits to make the convenience from the SFSoM worth it.

The CFSoM, on the other hand, is worth the convenience. It’s only marginally more expensive than a Basic Kit, and it’s very useful for cleaning out your inventory after finishing a dungeon/Fractal/EotM train run.

My suggestion? I’d bump the price up to 1000 gems, 3 silver per use, and turn it into a permanent Black Lion Salvage Kit. (This change may end up making Major Runes and Sigils cheaper due to increased supply. I suspect that most players are already using BLSK’s to salvage Exotics anyway, so I don’t think it would cause a big fall in Superior upgrade prices. Not to mention that, with a few exceptions, lots of Superior rune/sigil prices are languishing at near vendor price anyway.)

digitalruse.9085:

Pay .5s a salvage and change the name to “Not-Quite-A-Silver Fed Salvage-O-Matic”.

Make it monetarily viable and be cute about it. =P

Made my day. Thx.

Hmm I guess someone in Anet didn’t do some math. I mean I love my Copper-o-matic salvage kit cause it’s cheaper and convenient, but this one? Who in their right mind would buy this and pay 10x more per salvage than the already Mystic Salvage kit that has 250 uses and tbh, it lasts around a month for me.

Please fix it and I’ll buy it immediately. Have my gems ready

Up the price to ~1000-1500 gems, make it an unlimited use BLSK, and charge 3-5s per use and you would have my attention

Maybe they are going to increase the price of the Master’s Salvage Kit/Mystic Salvage Kit by 500%, then you’ll regret no having this :P

Now, I bought it and I don’t regret it (I also have the Copper-Fed Salvage-o-Matic). Paying 80 golds for it and 1 silver per use don’t seem like much when you can make 1-2 gold just by playing a few minutes to complete a daily.

But well, it will be available for 3 days only, and nobody have to buy it if they don’t want.

Zaxares.5419:

The CFSoM, on the other hand, is worth the convenience. It’s only marginally more expensive than a Basic Kit, and it’s very useful for cleaning out your inventory after finishing a dungeon/Fractal/EotM train run.

Margianlly less expensive, really. Basic salvage kits are 3.52 copper per salvage. Over the course of one basic kit, the Copper-Fed Salvage-O-Matic saves you 13 copper.

The Silver-fed Salvage-O-Matic, however, costs you 38.56 copper per salvage more over a Master’s kit and 89.504 copper per salvage more over a Mystic kit (ignoring the mystic stone cost, since they keep raining from achievements).

Over the course of an entire kit, the Silver-fed will cost you 9 silver, 64 copper over the Master’s kit and 2 gold, 23 silver, 76 copper over a Mystic Salvage Kit.

I bought it in case I ever run out of mystic forge stones (or also in fear they will one day remove them as acquirable rewards, or even remove the recipe for the mystic kits… that’s how far my trust in this regard goes by now).

However I don’t see a reason to use it for salvaging until 1.) one of the above happens (even though I’m not sure I will be online for salvaging anything then) or 2.) they adjust the salvage price…

Hey, they could even add sprockets per salvage (just kiddin’, we all know what the reaction of the community to that pick was).

But in its current state, it is really a rip off at its finest. And that comes from someone who regularly supports ANet by buying various convenience items, including a coin I currently can’t use or maybe even won’t be able to use ever again…

I buy ori tools generally, even when I know I’ll be spending some time in mid-tier zones because it’s inconvenient to keep and track multiple sets of tools. I pay extra per use and it’s completely worth it for me. The Silver-Fed isn’t really any different in principle.

This is just a new convenience item that costs less to get and more to use than we are used to. Not willing to pay a premium per use for the convenience? No problem, don’t buy it.

I think a lot of fan boys bought it. So unless anet really do listen to people in forums, theres no chance that they will lower the cost

Megis.9264:

BL kit for rares is a waste, you can make 1-2g buying exotics and salvaging good runes and sigils.

Not true. Some of us have a bank tab dedicated to storing said kits because we key farm.

Yes. Pls rework.

I prefer the higher chance of rares than decreasing the cost though

Higher than mystic but lower than black lion

I salvage everything I get and one mystic kit easily lasts me a month, so it’s already convenient enough that there’s nothing attractive about the Silver-fed S-O-M even if the cost per usage was dropped to 10c.

I would suggest the Silver-fed S-O-M be upgraded to have the same chances as a Black Lion Salvage Kit and have its price adjusted to 800 gems. If there’s ever a Gold-fed S-O-M, it can be an infinite use Upgrade Extractor instead.

gobax.6185:

I think a lot of fan boys bought it. So unless anet really do listen to people in forums, theres no chance that they will lower the cost

ArenaNet DO listen to people. However calling someone fanboy just for buying this item is the best way to make them ignore your comments

I did some serious thinking about this item in particular, and about the 10 day sale in general, and I’ve come to the conclusion that the whole sale, in particular the silver SOM, is NOT in fact geared towards veteran players. Stop and think about this for a moment. As far as the weapon and armor skins currently on sale, as well the permanent harvesting tools, have already been purchased by veteran players who wanted them when they were previously available. I say “most” because obviously there have been people who missed them or were unable to purchase them when they were available (such as Rox’s Quiver).

Now, particularly in regards to the Silver SOM, the argument has been that a mystic salvage kit accomplishes the job nicely, and at little to no cost to the players making them. This is true, IF the player is a veteran. Most veteran players who’ve been at this for a year or more probably have a stack or three of mystic forge stones sitting in their banks just from achievement rewards and daily/monthly awards. However, people who have only been playing for, oh say, the last six months, will have few MF stones if any, and many of those that might have them won’t have a clue as to what to do with them. The Silver SOM would then seem like a good idea to them, since they wouldn’t have to take up valuable storage space for a bunch of 25 count master salvage kits.

It all comes down to demographics. This sale, by-in-large, is mostly not meant for veteran players, but the new and relatively new ones. Not that veteran players shouldn’t take advantage of it should they have missed something.

Berelious.3290:

I did some serious thinking about this item in particular, and about the 10 day sale in general, and I’ve come to the conclusion that the whole sale, in particular the silver SOM, is NOT in fact geared towards veteran players. Stop and think about this for a moment. As far as the weapon and armor skins currently on sale, as well the permanent harvesting tools, have already been purchased by veteran players who wanted them when they were previously available. I say “most” because obviously there have been people who missed them or were unable to purchase them when they were available (such as Rox’s Quiver).

Now, particularly in regards to the Silver SOM, the argument has been that a mystic salvage kit accomplishes the job nicely, and at little to no cost to the players making them. This is true, IF the player is a veteran. Most veteran players who’ve been at this for a year or more probably have a stack or three of mystic forge stones sitting in their banks just from achievement rewards and daily/monthly awards. However, people who have only been playing for, oh say, the last six months, will have few MF stones if any, and many of those that might have them won’t have a clue as to what to do with them. The Silver SOM would then seem like a good idea to them, since they wouldn’t have to take up valuable storage space for a bunch of 25 count master salvage kits.

It all comes down to demographics. This sale, by-in-large, is mostly not meant for veteran players, but the new and relatively new ones. Not that veteran players shouldn’t take advantage of it should they have missed something.

The Silver-Fed Salvage-o-Matic is a COMPLETE and utter ripoff for ANYONE who buys it, regardless of if they’re new or a veteran. You’re paying significantly more per salvage for the convenience of an endless kit, but the other endless kit (Copper-Fed) gives you even more convenience (no worthless green sigils/runes cluttering up your bags) and you’re actually paying LESS per salvage compared to other kits of the same quality.

There is no decent argument in favor for the current iteration of the Silver-Fed Salvage-o-Matic.

Also, I decided to slightly change idea “A” from my original post.

Somoe.3621:

What I think should be done to the Silver-Fed Salvage-o-Matic:

A.)
- Increase the chance to salvage rare materials from 25% -> 50%.
- Increase the chance to salvage upgrades from 80% -> 100%.
- Increase the Gem Store price from 500 Gems -> 1200-1500 Gems.
- Increase the price per salvage from 1 Silver -> 20-50+ Silver

B.)
- Increase the chance to salvage rare materials from 25% -> 35%.
- Increase the chance to salvage upgrades from 80% -> 90%.
- Increase the Gem Store price from 500 Gems -> 800 Gems.

Not only would it be more expensive (which is more money for Anet per sale), but more than a handful of people would actually buy it too.

Now some people might think “Woah, 20-50+ Silver per salvage? That’s so expensive!”, but it’s actually an extremely low cost when compared to a Black Lion Salvage Kit (which it would be equivalent to).

Black Lion Salvage Kit = 12 gems per use (~2.6g)

Somoe, I was not in any way, shape, or form defending the Silver SOM. I assure you I can perform basic math. I was simply pointing out that due to lack of immediate access to MF stones (either from achievements or because they don’t want to get them from the gem store) that this would be a more attractive alternative to new players (hence my argument that it and the sale in general is geared more towards them)

It ether a bug or some troll in Anet made it to scam newbies :O

Wanze.8410:

Lucyfer.9517:

Sadly while coper-fed is the most amazing thing ever, silver-fed is a total failure. I will laugh really hard if they ever introduce gold-fed…..

You wouldnt laugh as hard if the gold fed som lets you recover upgrades at a 100% chance from karma and wvw gear.

Hmmmm…..an interesting idea (that you should not have given them…..maybe?).

I would love to see one of the developers tell us what their frame of mind is on this item. Because it clearly doesn’t fit what a large majority of their player base wants. Even those not in the forums here are complaining, and some are buying it just to buy it, but most are staying FAR, FAR away because its such a terrible investment.

I sort of hoped when this was datamined that they would reconsider. Obviously not, so all I can do is chuckle. I absolutely will not be buying this myself. It’s not really “convenient” for me to spend more coin than I have to. I don’t typically have so many yellows / golds that I run out of a mystic during my time out and about. Regular salvage, yes, so the coppper fed being both infinite and a coin saver was worth while. This…. this just makes me laugh.

Now, all that said, if they do come out with a ‘gold’ salvage o matic…. it had better function like a “perfect” salvage kit (GW1 reference) and work on Karma, WvW, and any other non-salvagable gear to remove upgrades.

I too want an explanation from anet.

I wonder what made them think that implementing an item in gemstore that is a major rip off to everyone is a good idea.

Berelious.3290:

Somoe, I was not in any way, shape, or form defending the Silver SOM. I assure you I can perform basic math. I was simply pointing out that due to lack of immediate access to MF stones (either from achievements or because they don’t want to get them from the gem store) that this would be a more attractive alternative to new players (hence my argument that it and the sale in general is geared more towards them)

Sorry, I’m not trying to imply you’re stupid or anything.

Mystic Stones and Mystic Salvage Kits are irrelevant, even MASTER Salvage Kits purchased from general merchants are more efficient than the Silver-Fed Salvage-o-Matic. Unlimited items are supposed to be MORE, not less, efficient than their limited-use counterparts. The Silver-Fed Salvage-o-Matic could only ever be an attractive option on the surface, when you compare the higher salvage rates and lower gem cost to the Copper-Fed Salvage-o-Matic.

This item isn’t designed to be a useful alternative for new players, it’s been designed (intentionally or unintentionally) to trick/scam them. It’s basically the definition of a “noob trap”.

I bought it, I regret buying it. I’m never going to use it but Anet won’t care, they already have my money.

Impulse buying… when will I learn!

True. I know a few people in game buying it telling others that it was very efficient.

Then i told them to check the price in vendor of the kit that offers the same chances as the silverfed.

Guildchat was then flooded with “WTF” “CRAP” “kitten”

So yeah. We should never impulse buy stuffs. But most of us already trust anet that we sometimes do not check the quality of the items they are putting up on sale.

I have it (and I DONT REGRET it) – AND the copper one. If u use both (silver-one for yellows and up and copper for Whites to greens)… Then u actually SAVE Money compared to buy yellow salvage kits (wich I used to do Before). And not only that. It saves space and the running buying new kits all the time too. It IS a handy tool – if u know how to use it.

Frostfang.5109:

I have it (and I DONT REGRET it) – AND the copper one. If u use both (silver-one for yellows and up and copper for Whites to greens)… Then u actually SAVE Money compared to buy yellow salvage kits (wich I used to do Before). And not only that. It saves space and the running buying new kits all the time too. It IS a handy tool – if u know how to use it.

… what.

Did you just ignore the entire thread talking about how the Silver-fed S-O-M doesn’t save money?

The master’s salvage kit costs 15 silver and 36 copper, comes with 25 uses.

15.36 / 25 = 0.6144

That’s 61.44 coppers per use.

The Silver-fed S-O-M costs 38.56 more coppers per use than a master’s salvage kit. You would have to spend 9s 64c in travel costs buying a master’s kit before it equals the cost of using a Silver-fed S-O-M. You would have to travel to the furthest city on the map to buy one master salvage kit before the Silver-fed S-O-M could start saving you money.

Now look at the mystic salvage kit, which only costs 10.5 coppers per use. Almost one-tenth the cost of the Silver-fed S-O-M and has 250 uses, so you only need one even if you’re grinding every dungeon and fractal every day for a week.

Frostfang.5109:

I have it (and I DONT REGRET it) – AND the copper one. If u use both (silver-one for yellows and up and copper for Whites to greens)… Then u actually SAVE Money compared to buy yellow salvage kits (wich I used to do Before). And not only that. It saves space and the running buying new kits all the time too. It IS a handy tool – if u know how to use it.

Know how to use it? Theres no scenario that using it is actually much cheaper than using mystic salvage kits.

No matter when where you use it, it will always yield higher cost than alternatives.

250/stack of mystic salvage kit is more than enough to last you for a week. I doubt you never go back to town for the entire week. Once you go back to town you can always craft another one.

Frostfang.5109:

I have it (and I DONT REGRET it) – AND the copper one. If u use both (silver-one for yellows and up and copper for Whites to greens)… Then u actually SAVE Money compared to buy yellow salvage kits (wich I used to do Before). And not only that. It saves space and the running buying new kits all the time too. It IS a handy tool – if u know how to use it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There's_a_sucker_born_every_minute

This item is about as useful as the infinite continue coin. SAB3 better come out soon or I’m demanding a refund.

Frostfang.5109:

I have it (and I DONT REGRET it) – AND the copper one. If u use both (silver-one for yellows and up and copper for Whites to greens)… Then u actually SAVE Money compared to buy yellow salvage kits (wich I used to do Before). And not only that. It saves space and the running buying new kits all the time too. It IS a handy tool – if u know how to use it.

I believe you may be experiencing a stage of denial before the Buyers remorse set’s in. It’s ok, we’re here for you.

If the SFSoM had a similar cost of use as other kits, I would have purchased one. Change it’s cost per use and reissue the item Anet and I’ll buy it. Simple as that….

Aingeal an Lann.8750:

I would love to see one of the developers tell us what their frame of mind is on this item. ……

Anonymous Anet employee: “We were sitting around having a few drinks one day brainstorming some new content to bring to the game. Then one of our buddies stopped by and we got really high. In a stroke of inebriated brilliance I thought of an upgraded version of the copper fed salvage -o-matic called the silver fewd salvage-o-matic. In all the excitement of our alcohol and drug induced streak of genius we forgot how to do the basic math. Oh well, someday we’ll get it right.”

If it was a tier in-between Master and Black Lion Salvage Kits, then maybe it wouldn’t be so bad:

33% chance of rarer materials. 90% chance of recovering upgrades.

Master is 25% and 80% whereas Black Lion is 50% and 100%, so 33% and 90% would be the middle ground in-between the two.

not going to do the maths but out of curiosity if anyone is willing to, would this work better if it was fed with silver ore instead of silver the currency?

Seeing as silver ore is dirt cheap, yes it would be better

well then perhaps they should do that, might make the item worthwhile, would provide a sink for silver ore and it would work with the idea of it being called a silver fed salvager